Bug#493599: removing udns from lenny?

2008-09-03 Thread Julien Danjou
At 1220098364 time_t, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
 I filed #497164 for libapache2-mod-defensible.

And it has been fixed in 1.4-3, that should probably be unblocked.

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Bug#493599: removing udns from lenny?

2008-09-03 Thread Luk Claes
Julien Danjou wrote:
 At 1220098364 time_t, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
 I filed #497164 for libapache2-mod-defensible.
 
 And it has been fixed in 1.4-3, that should probably be unblocked.

unblocked

Cheers

Luk



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Bug#493599: removing udns from lenny?

2008-08-30 Thread Luk Claes
Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 08:46:00PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
 Hi,

 udns has the recent DNS problem in a pretty bad way (i.e. no random, not
 even query IDs vs. not enough). And there is no indication that anyone
 is working on getting it solved at the moment. (Last upstream release is
 Jan 2007, the  upstream mailing list archives have 2007 no activity
 since the announcement of that, too.)
 As udns is not in wide use across our archive, with only two packages
 using it, it might be good to not release it with lenny.
 For the two packages:
 - jabberd2 is not in testing,
 - libapache2-mod-defensible can be compiled without udns.

 Even better would be fixing, but I think this might be involved (based
 on the our design doesn't allow for port randomization) ...
 Opinions?

 Kind regards

 T.
 -- 
 Thomas Viehmann, http://thomas.viehmann.net/


 
 Hello.
 
 This bug is likely a WONTFIX for the reasons already pointed out,
...
 However, I think udns should still be left out of stable, since the
 upstream author has requested this from me in the last release, because
 he believes the software is still experimental (mainly the library
 API/ABI).

removal hint added

Cheers

Luk



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Bug#493599: removing udns from lenny?

2008-08-30 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Package: libapache2-mod-defensible
Severity: serious
Version: 1.4-2

Hi Julien,

Debian tries to drop udns from lenny, your package is the only
dependency in testing. Could you rebuild without udns, please?
If you are busy, don't hesitate to reply if you prefer to have the
upload done for you.

Kind regards

T.

Background:
[in udns bug #493599]:
 [udev-maintainer Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo]
 However, I think udns should still be left out of stable, since the
 upstream author has requested this from me in the last release, because
 he believes the software is still experimental (mainly the library
 API/ABI).
 
 removal hint added
 
 Cheers
 
 Luk
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Bug#493599: removing udns from lenny?

2008-08-30 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Luk Claes wrote:
 This bug is likely a WONTFIX for the reasons already pointed out,
 ...
 However, I think udns should still be left out of stable, since the
 upstream author has requested this from me in the last release, because
 he believes the software is still experimental (mainly the library
 API/ABI).
 
 removal hint added
I filed #497164 for libapache2-mod-defensible.

Kind regards

T.
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Bug#493599: removing udns from lenny?

2008-08-29 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi,

udns has the recent DNS problem in a pretty bad way (i.e. no random, not
even query IDs vs. not enough). And there is no indication that anyone
is working on getting it solved at the moment. (Last upstream release is
Jan 2007, the  upstream mailing list archives have 2007 no activity
since the announcement of that, too.)
As udns is not in wide use across our archive, with only two packages
using it, it might be good to not release it with lenny.
For the two packages:
- jabberd2 is not in testing,
- libapache2-mod-defensible can be compiled without udns.

Even better would be fixing, but I think this might be involved (based
on the our design doesn't allow for port randomization) ...
Opinions?

Kind regards

T.
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Bug#493599: removing udns from lenny?

2008-08-29 Thread Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 08:46:00PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
 Hi,
 
 udns has the recent DNS problem in a pretty bad way (i.e. no random, not
 even query IDs vs. not enough). And there is no indication that anyone
 is working on getting it solved at the moment. (Last upstream release is
 Jan 2007, the  upstream mailing list archives have 2007 no activity
 since the announcement of that, too.)
 As udns is not in wide use across our archive, with only two packages
 using it, it might be good to not release it with lenny.
 For the two packages:
 - jabberd2 is not in testing,
 - libapache2-mod-defensible can be compiled without udns.
 
 Even better would be fixing, but I think this might be involved (based
 on the our design doesn't allow for port randomization) ...
 Opinions?
 
 Kind regards
 
 T.
 -- 
 Thomas Viehmann, http://thomas.viehmann.net/
 
 

Hello.

This bug is likely a WONTFIX for the reasons already pointed out,
because:

a) udns design was intended to make it simple to write an application
using it, which is accomplished by using only one socket. This restricts
it to only one source port for all queries. Introducing random source
port into the code would break its design.

b) The author believes random query IDs would do more harm than
incremental ones, since DNS error responses does not allow to
distinguish the query responded by anything else than the query ID,
which in the case of a collision (which is likely for only 16 bits).
This could break robustness of the software giving only a slight
security.

Despite all this, since some other software have the same or similar
security issues and are also used as stub resolvers (like glibc), we
could do the same that was done for them: release an advisory warning
the users about the possible issues and workarounds (stub resolvers need
a trusted resolver in a trusted network).

However, I think udns should still be left out of stable, since the
upstream author has requested this from me in the last release, because
he believes the software is still experimental (mainly the library
API/ABI).

Best Regards,
Thadeu Cascardo.


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