Bug#510348: Dillo removal

2009-01-03 Thread Neil McGovern
I've removed dillo from lenny, as it should be obvious that we can't
accept a new gtk port at this time in the freeze.

I've uploaded claws-mail in t-p-u, disabling the dillo plugin. Bug with
diff to follow shortly.

Thanks,
Neil
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Bug#510348: Dillo removal

2009-01-03 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 03:28:31PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
 I've removed dillo from lenny, as it should be obvious that we can't
 accept a new gtk port at this time in the freeze.

That's a fairly hasty decision and a severe regression to existing
users given that about three percent of all popcon users have dillo
installed and about one percent use it frequently.

A 30 second peek into the rules files shows that there's even a
configure option to disable SSL support...

--
./configure $(CONFFLAGS) \
--prefix=/usr \
--sysconfdir=/etc \
--enable-ipv6 \
--enable-ssl \
--enable-meta-refresh \
--disable-dlgui \
CFLAGS=$(CFLAGS) \
--

Cheers,
Moritz



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Bug#510348: Dillo removal

2009-01-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 04:55:00PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 03:28:31PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
  I've removed dillo from lenny, as it should be obvious that we can't
  accept a new gtk port at this time in the freeze.
 
 That's a fairly hasty decision and a severe regression to existing
 users given that about three percent of all popcon users have dillo
 installed and about one percent use it frequently.
 

I did check popcon before adding my hint.

 A 30 second peek into the rules files shows that there's even a
 configure option to disable SSL support...
 

It also seems to be gtk1.2, which was the other reason for removal. I'm
not sure that the requirement to bring in gtk1.2 helps the case for a
lightweight browser, especially as we're trying to remove gtk1.

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Bug#510348: Dillo removal

2009-01-03 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Neil McGovern wrote:
  A 30 second peek into the rules files shows that there's even a
  configure option to disable SSL support...
  
 
 It also seems to be gtk1.2, which was the other reason for removal. I'm
 not sure that the requirement to bring in gtk1.2 helps the case for a
 lightweight browser, especially as we're trying to remove gtk1.

Noone's trying to deprecate gtk1.2 for Lenny and for Squeeze the gtk2 based
version can be uploaded.

Cheers,
Moritz



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Bug#510348: Dillo removal

2009-01-03 Thread Luk Claes
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 Neil McGovern wrote:
 A 30 second peek into the rules files shows that there's even a
 configure option to disable SSL support...

 It also seems to be gtk1.2, which was the other reason for removal. I'm
 not sure that the requirement to bring in gtk1.2 helps the case for a
 lightweight browser, especially as we're trying to remove gtk1.
 
 Noone's trying to deprecate gtk1.2 for Lenny and for Squeeze the gtk2 based
 version can be uploaded.

There were several efforts to reduce the dependency on gtk1.2, it's only
unfortunate that most people were not convinced that we really wanted to
get rid of gtk1.2 otherwise it would already have happened.

Cheers

Luk



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Bug#510348: Dillo removal

2009-01-03 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 07:57:07PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
 Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
  Neil McGovern wrote:
  A 30 second peek into the rules files shows that there's even a
  configure option to disable SSL support...
 
  It also seems to be gtk1.2, which was the other reason for removal. I'm
  not sure that the requirement to bring in gtk1.2 helps the case for a
  lightweight browser, especially as we're trying to remove gtk1.
  
  Noone's trying to deprecate gtk1.2 for Lenny and for Squeeze the gtk2 based
  version can be uploaded.
 
 There were several efforts to reduce the dependency on gtk1.2, it's only
 unfortunate that most people were not convinced that we really wanted to
 get rid of gtk1.2 otherwise it would already have happened.

I'm fully aware of that, actually I was involved in getting GTK1.2 removed.
But it's not a valid argument against dropping Dillo at this point.

Cheers,
Moritz



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Bug#510348: Dillo removal

2009-01-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 08:55:54PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 07:57:07PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
  Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
   Neil McGovern wrote:
   A 30 second peek into the rules files shows that there's even a
   configure option to disable SSL support...
  
   It also seems to be gtk1.2, which was the other reason for removal. I'm
   not sure that the requirement to bring in gtk1.2 helps the case for a
   lightweight browser, especially as we're trying to remove gtk1.
   
   Noone's trying to deprecate gtk1.2 for Lenny and for Squeeze the gtk2 
   based
   version can be uploaded.
  
  There were several efforts to reduce the dependency on gtk1.2, it's only
  unfortunate that most people were not convinced that we really wanted to
  get rid of gtk1.2 otherwise it would already have happened.
 
 I'm fully aware of that, actually I was involved in getting GTK1.2 removed.
 But it's not a valid argument against dropping Dillo at this point.
 

Apologies, I may not have made it clear: I don't consider a browser
without ssl support to be well featured enough for us. We've finally
removed the rest of the ones that don't support it, and I'm not keen to
introduce another.
If you can fix this bug, then I'll look at reintroducing it.

Thanks,
Neil
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