Processed: Re: Bug#797135: gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default
Processing control commands: > severity 797135 important Bug #797135 [src:gnome-software] gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default Severity set to 'important' from 'critical' -- 797135: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=797135 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems
Bug#797135: gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default
Control: severity 797135 important Reducing severity - this issue is not making the package or other system components unusable, and it is also not making the package unfit for release. So, an "important" priority is more justified for this.
Bug#797135: gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 06:13:18 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: Once installed the software downloads updates and makes the system do an uograde automatically without even asking the user for confirmation once. It *downloads* updates automatically but does not install them until the user does something. The *something* may be clicking a button in the Software application that says “Restart Install”, or it may be rebooting the system where a checkbox is shown asking the user whether to “Install pending software updates” or not. should be a very big warning to tell people, but the package description not even gives a hint. It may be worth adding something to the package description or README.Debian that the package also runs as a background service to automatically stage system updates. Worth mentioning #797138, which is the cause of the aforementioned checkbox being checked by default rather than unchecked. When this is fixed, gnome-software will only download updates in the background but never apply them without the user actively clicking a button or checking a checkbox to do so. I think critical is overstating a bit. thanks, -- mike
Bug#797135: gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default
Worth mentioning #797138, which is the cause of the aforementioned checkbox being checked by default rather than unchecked. When this is fixed, gnome-software will only download updates in the background but never apply them without the user actively clicking a button or checking a checkbox to do so. I think critical is overstating a bit. I beg to disagree. Yes, it's rather unlikely a stable system gets destroyed the way a sid one does. However, even sid shouldn't carry this undocumented and unnecessary risk. But, and that's the main reason for making the bug critical, the system will download potential huge amounts of data *without* the user even knowing. Now imagine you're paying by the MB, that can create a lot of unexpected costs. Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De, Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) Meskes at (Debian|Postgresql) dot Org Jabber: michael.meskes at gmail dot com VfL Borussia! Força Barça! Go SF 49ers! Use Debian GNU/Linux, PostgreSQL
Bug#797135: gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default
Matthias Klump wrote: Hi! I am inclined to demote the priority of this issue to important, because: 1) The automatic download will not happen unless there is a WiFi connection - downloading over potentially expensive connections does not happen. U - how does the availability of WiFi tell you anything about how expensive the connection is? 2) It does not beak the system on stable machines. It might do so on unstable systems, if the user wasn't careful enough to not install updates automatically. But that's something we expect users of unstable/testing to care about, they are experienced users afterall. 3) For users of stable systems, who expect their system to just do the updates, downloading them and making them available is a very nice service, and we shouldn't make it very hard to enable it or add additional steps for that. However, I would agree that an easy and discoverable way to turn off automatic downloads of packages should be provided. I can't find one at time, which is not fiddling with dconf-editor. And what about the project-wide discussion before enabling such a broken mis-feature in the first place? We already have a packaging system that works for upgrades in place without needing reboots like this. I strongly object to this kind of crap being added to Debian for the sake of certain broken upstream software. This is making things materially worse for our users. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Further comment on how I feel about IBM will appear once I've worked out whether they're being malicious or incompetent. Capital letters are forecast. Matthew Garrett, http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/30675.html
Bug#797135: gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default
Hi! I am inclined to demote the priority of this issue to important, because: 1) The automatic download will not happen unless there is a WiFi connection - downloading over potentially expensive connections does not happen. 2) It does not beak the system on stable machines. It might do so on unstable systems, if the user wasn't careful enough to not install updates automatically. But that's something we expect users of unstable/testing to care about, they are experienced users afterall. 3) For users of stable systems, who expect their system to just do the updates, downloading them and making them available is a very nice service, and we shouldn't make it very hard to enable it or add additional steps for that. However, I would agree that an easy and discoverable way to turn off automatic downloads of packages should be provided. I can't find one at time, which is not fiddling with dconf-editor. Cheers, Matthias
Bug#797135: gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default
2015-08-28 18:30 GMT+02:00 Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com: Matthias Klump wrote: Hi! I am inclined to demote the priority of this issue to important, because: 1) The automatic download will not happen unless there is a WiFi connection - downloading over potentially expensive connections does not happen. U - how does the availability of WiFi tell you anything about how expensive the connection is? Right, that's why I think this option should be exposed in the UI somewhere, and be advertised there. GS uses idle bandwidth to download stuff, but depending on what someone does on the system, even that could be an issue. 2) It does not beak the system on stable machines. It might do so on unstable systems, if the user wasn't careful enough to not install updates automatically. But that's something we expect users of unstable/testing to care about, they are experienced users afterall. 3) For users of stable systems, who expect their system to just do the updates, downloading them and making them available is a very nice service, and we shouldn't make it very hard to enable it or add additional steps for that. However, I would agree that an easy and discoverable way to turn off automatic downloads of packages should be provided. I can't find one at time, which is not fiddling with dconf-editor. And what about the project-wide discussion before enabling such a broken mis-feature in the first place? We did not enable anything - we just provide GNOME-Software, which only has these options. I talked to upstream if a patch to offer online-updates in GS alternatively would be accepted. Apparently, online-update behavior isn't wanted by the GNOME design team (or adding an option for that). But even if it was, someone would still need to write that patch. If you don't want this, uninstall gnome-software and install gnome-packagekit instead, which rpovides an online-update feature. We already have a packaging system that works for upgrades in place without needing reboots like this. I strongly object to this kind of crap being added to Debian for the sake of certain broken upstream software. This is making things materially worse for our users. I highly recommend reading http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2011/08/zygote.html before saying upstream software is broken. I agree though that the reboot-for-every-update approach is merely a workaround for the real issue, and it's one I don't particularly like. Upstream has decided to go down this route though, so we should make the stuff working until a better solution appears. In any case, talk to upstream or provide a patch for this, as this is not a feature which can be easily switched off, since it's an integral gnome-software design decision. (The download-in-background thing is much easier to solve, I can talk to upstream about that later) -- Debian Developer | Freedesktop-Developer I welcome VSRE emails. See http://vsre.info/
Bug#797135: gnome-software downloads updates automatically by default
Source: gnome-software Severity: critical Once installed the software downloads updates and makes the system do an uograde automatically without even asking the user for confirmation once. The default should be disabled and nor enabled or, at the very least, there should be a very big warning to tell people, but the package description not even gives a hint. This is a critical bug because a) it may create a lot of costs for people who have to pay by traffic and b) might completely destroy systems. Please refer to the whole thread on -devel for details and in particular to https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/08/msg00597.html Since we're not exactly sure that this package is the (sole) cause please help investigate and, if needed, move to whichever package is the culprit. Thanks. Michael -- System Information: Debian Release: stretch/sid APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 4.1.0-1-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
