Bug#957230: Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps
> > I'm surprised it is actually used as it was pointed out to me that > > the script > > has been non-functional for quite a while. > > I do recall having an issue with it at one point a few years back and > meaning to submit a patch to bsdmainutils to fix it, but resolved it > one way or another without that, though can't find any evidence of > that > nor can I remember what the problem was. But regardless, it was > working > well enough for the freebsd-* packages to build fine. My guess would be that its functionality is not needed at all. > > Anyway, it cannot easily be "restored" > > because the old bsdmainutils package does not exist anymore. All > > tools except > > ncal and calendar, which are now in their own package, are now > > build out of > > util-linux. Would it be possible to include lorder.sh in one of the > > affected > > freebsd packages? > > Yeah, it's possible, and that's no doubt what I'll end up doing. But > I I'm glad you agree, I will therefore close this bug. > really don't appreciate all the breakage that's come about from > bsdmainutils in the past few months. The util-linux handover was Pas few months is a slight exaggeration but whatever. > poorly-handled causing all kinds of problems across the archives It is well documented that the changes caused more issues than expected, but all packages received the necessary fixes as quickly as possible. Having to go through NEW certainly caused some delay, too, but again stuff like this happens, it's called unstable for a reason. > (release and ports), and this removal of something, and thus > *deliberately breaking* the package's "API", should have been done > more > carefully by checking whether anyone is actually using it (archive- > wide > rebuilds like is done for the new GCC versions is the > easy-but-computationally-expensive way to do it). As it stands, I got Come again please? Is this a joke or are you really suggesting we should rebuild the whole archive to figure out if any package still uses a non-functional tool in its build process? > hit with a surprise set of RC bugs from the first archive-wide > rebuild > after this change landed, and I therefore have to react in a > time-pressured way to fix it lest packages be removed from testing > (though, arguably, testing doesn't matter so much for these given > kfreebsd-* aren't release architectures). This really should have So why do you bring up this point then? > been > found out first, with Severity: important bugs filed a month or more > in > advance of making the change, that can then be upgraded to be > release-critical further down the line. So, please, never do a > transition like this again. Just for the record, I do not consider removing lorder.sh a transition of any kind. Nor do I think removing a faulty tool that apparently had no real functionality anymore warrants the kind of lecture you're giving me. Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) Meskes at (Debian|Postgresql) dot Org
Bug#957230: Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps
On 29 Jul 2020, at 09:04, Michael Meskes wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 03:01:31PM +0100, Jessica Clarke wrote: >> Package: bsdmainutils >> Version: 12.1.3 >> Severity: serious >> Control: affects -1 src:freebsd-buildutils src:freebsd-glue src:freebsd-libs >> >> Hi, >> The removal of lorder in 12.1.3 causes various freebsd-* packages to >> FTBFS which are now scheduled for autoremoval from testing. Please >> restore this shell script; it's not deprecated, it's still widely used >> by the BSDs and maintained in at least FreeBSD. > > I'm surprised it is actually used as it was pointed out to me that the script > has been non-functional for quite a while. I do recall having an issue with it at one point a few years back and meaning to submit a patch to bsdmainutils to fix it, but resolved it one way or another without that, though can't find any evidence of that nor can I remember what the problem was. But regardless, it was working well enough for the freebsd-* packages to build fine. > Anyway, it cannot easily be "restored" > because the old bsdmainutils package does not exist anymore. All tools except > ncal and calendar, which are now in their own package, are now build out of > util-linux. Would it be possible to include lorder.sh in one of the affected > freebsd packages? Yeah, it's possible, and that's no doubt what I'll end up doing. But I really don't appreciate all the breakage that's come about from bsdmainutils in the past few months. The util-linux handover was poorly-handled causing all kinds of problems across the archives (release and ports), and this removal of something, and thus *deliberately breaking* the package's "API", should have been done more carefully by checking whether anyone is actually using it (archive-wide rebuilds like is done for the new GCC versions is the easy-but-computationally-expensive way to do it). As it stands, I got hit with a surprise set of RC bugs from the first archive-wide rebuild after this change landed, and I therefore have to react in a time-pressured way to fix it lest packages be removed from testing (though, arguably, testing doesn't matter so much for these given kfreebsd-* aren't release architectures). This really should have been found out first, with Severity: important bugs filed a month or more in advance of making the change, that can then be upgraded to be release-critical further down the line. So, please, never do a transition like this again. Jess
Bug#957230: Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 03:01:31PM +0100, Jessica Clarke wrote: > Package: bsdmainutils > Version: 12.1.3 > Severity: serious > Control: affects -1 src:freebsd-buildutils src:freebsd-glue src:freebsd-libs > > Hi, > The removal of lorder in 12.1.3 causes various freebsd-* packages to > FTBFS which are now scheduled for autoremoval from testing. Please > restore this shell script; it's not deprecated, it's still widely used > by the BSDs and maintained in at least FreeBSD. I'm surprised it is actually used as it was pointed out to me that the script has been non-functional for quite a while. Anyway, it cannot easily be "restored" because the old bsdmainutils package does not exist anymore. All tools except ncal and calendar, which are now in their own package, are now build out of util-linux. Would it be possible to include lorder.sh in one of the affected freebsd packages? Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) Meskes at (Debian|Postgresql) dot Org
