jigdo didn' t work for me. Bye bye Debian
Hello at Debian I'm new to Debian, having used Mandrake happily for years. I just tried using jigdo, followed all the instructions on the Debian site and would it download - would it not. If anything is going to put new users off using Debian it is surely your reluctance to make ANYTHING simple. I mean, with all the other distros you just download the ISOs and that's it. I don't know what it is with the Debian crowd but this simple process has been substituted with: 1. Download (useless) jigdo (Windows) 2. Chase-up several mirror addresses 3. Run batch script 4. Try to work-out whether you should be entering /debian/ or /debian-non-US/ 5. Second-guess what's required at each step 6. Wait for template file to load 7. Throw-up arms in exasperation when it refuses to download the files Even before I managed to download anything Debian has surpassed its own reputation for being a time-waster designed only for uber-geek hobbyists. For anyone who values their time this distro is a complete non-starter. Regards Garry Heaton
Re: jigdo didn' t work for me. Bye bye Debian
whine more? Quoting Garry Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello at Debian I'm new to Debian, having used Mandrake happily for years. I just tried using jigdo, followed all the instructions on the Debian site and would it download - would it not. If anything is going to put new users off using Debian it is surely your reluctance to make ANYTHING simple. I mean, with all the other distros you just download the ISOs and that's it. I don't know what it is with the Debian crowd but this simple process has been substituted with: 1. Download (useless) jigdo (Windows) 2. Chase-up several mirror addresses 3. Run batch script 4. Try to work-out whether you should be entering /debian/ or /debian-non-US/ 5. Second-guess what's required at each step 6. Wait for template file to load 7. Throw-up arms in exasperation when it refuses to download the files Even before I managed to download anything Debian has surpassed its own reputation for being a time-waster designed only for uber-geek hobbyists. For anyone who values their time this distro is a complete non-starter. Regards Garry Heaton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jigdo didn' t work for me. Bye bye Debian
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Garry Heaton wrote: Hello at Debian Hello at uhm mandrake i guess :-) I'm new to Debian, having used Mandrake happily for years. I just tried using jigdo, followed all the instructions on the Debian site and would it download - would it not. The debian download pages should also be able to point you at sites that make ISO images available as an alternative. Jigdo appears to be the preferred tool of choice but you _can_ still find debian 3 ISO images for download. e.g http://planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/3.0_r1/ i think you only need the first and/or second iso images to install debian.. regards, -jason
Re: jigdo didn' t work for me. Bye bye Debian
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 02:30:34PM +0100, Garry Heaton wrote: 1. Download (useless) jigdo (Windows) Worked fine for me, but without useless windows. Even before I managed to download anything Debian has surpassed its own reputation for being a time-waster designed only for uber-geek hobbyists. For anyone who values their time this distro is a complete non-starter. Absolutly, perhaps debian is really not the right thing for you when you can't find one of the many ISO mirror's or one of the many (online) stores that offer CD's for little money. Christian Leber -- Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est. (Aurelius Augustinus) Translation: http://gnuhh.org/work/fsf-europe/augustinus.html
Re: jigdo didn' t work for me. Bye bye Debian
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Garry Heaton wrote: Hello at Debian I'm new to Debian, having used Mandrake happily for years. I just tried using jigdo, followed all the instructions on the Debian site and would it download - would it not. If anything is going to put new users off using Debian it is surely your reluctance to make ANYTHING simple. I mean, with all the other distros you just download the ISOs and that's it. I don't know what it is with the Debian crowd but this simple process has been substituted with: Not substituted with. It is just another way of downloading that might very well be better, that is why it is recommended. If you don't like the tool, don't use it. Just download the isos instead? A link, if it was too hard to find: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-cd/ /Mattias Wadenstein
Re: jigdo didn' t work for me. Bye bye Debian
--- Garry Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello at Debian I'm new to Debian, having used Mandrake happily for years. I just tried using jigdo, followed all the instructions on the Debian site and would it download - would it not. I agree, it could be simpler... I'm been a Debian users for a couple of years now, but really, it is getting better... Trust me, jigdo is a MUCH better system than it was before (I cringe whenever I think about using the pseudo-image kit...) If anything is going to put new users off using Debian it is surely your reluctance to make ANYTHING simple. I mean, with all the other distros you just download the ISOs and that's it. I don't know what it is with the Debian crowd but this simple process has been substituted with: 1. Download (useless) jigdo (Windows) 2. Chase-up several mirror addresses 3. Run batch script 4. Try to work-out whether you should be entering /debian/ or /debian-non-US/ 5. Second-guess what's required at each step 6. Wait for template file to load 7. Throw-up arms in exasperation when it refuses to download the files I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with using the Windows jigdo software, but I do hear it does have issues. Running jigdo-lite under Linux is pretty straight forward - have you checked out the jigdo mini HOWTO? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Debian-Jigdo/ Have you also tried to run jigdo under Mandrake? You can then copy the ISO over to a Windows machine w/ a burner (I'm assuming that's what you're doing)... Even before I managed to download anything Debian has surpassed its own reputation for being a time-waster designed only for uber-geek hobbyists. For anyone who values their time this distro is a complete non-starter. I'm really sorry you feel this way. There are sites which *do* carry the CDs - please check here before you give up completely: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ Yes, Debian is on seven CDs, but you only really need the 1st one, as it contains the most common packages. Others can be easily pulled down from the 'net. As far as /debian/ vs /debian-non-US/, the original difference was that /debian-non-US/ had encryption which was non-exportable from the US, but that distinction has blurred in the last couple of years - I would recommend getting /debian-non-US/, since you get access to more software that way *grin* = Tony. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin
Re: [important] CVS-generated email shouldn't go here
[Petter Reinholdtsen] Could you change the log script to include the output from 'diff -u' for each commit. This would give us at least minimum code review. I changed the commit script for debian-installer. It now uses a patched version of URL:http://sourceforge.net/projects/cvs-syncmail. The headers should look almost the same (I changed the from field to list the real commiter instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]), but the content is changed.
stuff that needs to be on cd #1
Please make sure that the following stuff is on cd #1, if at all possible: popularity-contest discover read-edid mdetect base-config tries to install all of these. -- see shy jo pgpuI1aPoAdUd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: stuff that needs to be on cd #1
Le Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 01:19:39PM -0400, Joey Hess écrivait: Please make sure that the following stuff is on cd #1, if at all possible: popularity-contest Added. discover read-edid mdetect Those three already were in the first CD. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com
Unofficial jigdo files for the testing distribution on CD (i386, regenerated weekly)
Not sure if this is the right place but I tried using jigdo to download the above from the link on http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/. Five files could not be found after trying twice. Therefore I couldn't create an iso image. Jigdo asks forcdebconf-udeb_0.34_i386.udeb but I believe it should be looking forcdebconf-udeb_0.35_i386.udeb as I looked inthe .list file to see if the file actually existed. The same for cdebconf-newt-0.34_i386.udeb, cdebconf-slang-0.34_i386.udeb. I also had problems with finding files cdrom-detect_0.16_all.udeb and main-menu_0.026_i386.udeb. What can I do to make a iso image if the jigdo asks for wrong files? I believe I need to download from ftp or http or wait till the template file gets fixed. Is that so? _ Jim Richter3505 Calle Cuervo NW #615Albuquerque NM 87114(505) 898-0482 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stuff that needs to be on cd #1
Raphael Hertzog wrote: Le Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 01:19:39PM -0400, Joey Hess écrivait: Please make sure that the following stuff is on cd #1, if at all possible: popularity-contest Added. discover read-edid mdetect Those three already were in the first CD. Thank you. Another one is libtext-iconv-perl which is now important and installed by debootstrap. It's used by debconf i18n. -- see shy jo pgp1goG5lGRPJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
