Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
When I look at the Etch DVD download page, there's a bunch of hyperlinks in the middle of the screen and my first thought is those are the files that I want. With the equivalent CD page, my first thought is that's a lot of files, more than I want. I think having white space between disk 1 and disk 2 would help, if that's possible in an FTP directory listing. An HTML page with the warning paragraph between disk 1 and disk 2 would help even more. Or even better - move the non-first images to a subdirectory everywhere. That way, people would see more clearly that additional images are secondary. That would work well, for people that browse like me. I've spent too long on the side-argument that some people want disk 20, and skipped your point that most won't need disk 2. Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Steve Cotton wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:23:19 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 27% of people are supposed to have an actual need for other images, even though they have such a quality Internet access that they can download CD/DVD image files in the first place? I've had a look at the torrent stats for Debian 4.0r4a. Of the people who'll take the time to set up torrents, 50% of DVD downloaders and 10% of CD downloaders want more than the first disk. And for reference, the total ammount downloaded through torrents since the 4.0_r4a release is about the traffic for the last 2-3 days on http downloads from cdimage.d.o. /Mattias Wadenstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Steve Cotton wrote: May be its better to say that torrent download will be Faster and usual http download will be easier, If we say its faster - we dont force them, but just advertise this method as optimal way of downloading, and they will have more stimulus to find out how to use torrent way. The trouble is that torrents are likely to be much slower than HTTP. (My experience was of downloading testing, not stable). And this is likely to always be the case unless cdimage.d.o (and mirros) run out of bandwidth. And even then torrents are only likely to be faster for the most popular ISOs. /Mattias Wadenstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
May be its better to say that torrent download will be Faster and usual http download will be easier, If we say its faster - we dont force them, but just advertise this method as optimal way of downloading, and they will have more stimulus to find out how to use torrent way. The trouble is that torrents are likely to be much slower than HTTP. (My experience was of downloading testing, not stable). Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:23:19 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 27% of people are supposed to have an actual need for other images, even though they have such a quality Internet access that they can download CD/DVD image files in the first place? I've had a look at the torrent stats for Debian 4.0r4a. Of the people who'll take the time to set up torrents, 50% of DVD downloaders and 10% of CD downloaders want more than the first disk. (Columns: seeds, current downloaders, total downloads, total transferred) amd64-DVD-1 53 20 6202.64TiB amd64-DVD-2 23 16 3251.38TiB amd64-DVD-3 20 19 2931.16TiB amd64-kde-CD-1 4 0 3018.84GiB amd64-xfce-CD-13 0 148.8GiB amd64-CD-110 8 193121.93GiB amd64-CD-2 3 4 1710.62GiB amd64-CD-3 3 3 148.85GiB amd64-CD-4 3 0 116.72GiB amd64-CD-5 3 0 85.06GiB amd64-CD-6 2 0 95.64GiB amd64-CD-202 0 74.41GiB amd64-CD-213 0 82.78GiB i386-DVD-1 143 13421379.13TiB i386-DVD-284 7311574.94TiB i386-DVD-375 6411004.53TiB i386-kde-CD-1 10 3 15896.74GiB i386-xfce-CD-1 7 0 12981.46GiB i386-CD-1 58 181357855.16GiB i386-CD-2 8 6 16099.61GiB i386-CD-3 7 1 13182.81GiB i386-CD-4 5 2 9459.05GiB i386-CD-5 5 2 7346.16GiB i386-CD-6 3 2 6239.23GiB i386-CD-20 2 1 4729.41GiB i386-CD-21 4 0 5624.36GiB Raw stats (800k): http://bttracker.acc.umu.se:6969/ Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
Hello, I have suggestion: May be its better to say that torrent download will be Faster and usual http download will be easier, So to choose user will understand key difference between technologies, and will not think about how it will stress someone, it will be easier way to choose. Current phrasing can result in this:user decide no to stress someone, and then he find that torrent download dont work for him - he will be disturbed a little. Anyway expirienced users surely knows different between http and torrent, and my formulation will be better for new user. If we say its faster - we dont force them, but just advertise this method as optimal way of downloading, and they will have more stimulus to find out how to use torrent way. best regards, BM
Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
Hello Josip, I do not understand what are you mean... If peoples downloading the DVDs like me, maybe we need them for Off-Line usage? Currently I am downloading ALL DVDs and CDs from 4.0r4. Since there are many peoples useing different architectures and of course, they can buy the DVD/CD at me... Of course, they can buy the DVDs separately... If you have problems handling the traffic, maybe you should consider mirroring the images? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant Am 2008-08-05 22:23:19, schrieb Josip Rodin: Hi, A noticable number of people appear to be hoarding our CD/DVD images. More importantly, my mirror server logs show that many people keep downloading files past the first image. For example last month I've had 257 distinct IPs fetching first image files, and yet 95 were also fetching second or later image files. 27% of people are supposed to have an actual need for other images, even though they have such a quality Internet access that they can download CD/DVD image files in the first place? That's really unlikely. This might be attributable to the fact that our warnings against over-downloading appear at the end of the intro section on our web pages, and some people will always skip over that, sadly. Maybe we need HEADER.html files in all relevant debian-cd/ directories, so that all mirror web servers can display the same warning? Or even better - move the non-first images to a subdirectory everywhere. That way, people would see more clearly that additional images are secondary. (Please Cc: responses to -mirrors, I'm not subscribed to -cd.) END OF REPLIED MESSAGE -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 06:12:37PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: I do not understand what are you mean... If peoples downloading the DVDs like me, maybe we need them for Off-Line usage? Currently I am downloading ALL DVDs and CDs from 4.0r4. Since there are many peoples useing different architectures and of course, they can buy the DVD/CD at me... Of course, they can buy the DVDs separately... Not that many people need all three DVD images or all 25 CD images. That's 12.96 GB of DVD images and 14.42 GB of CD images with compressed package files that we're talking about. The vast majority of people don't even need the entire first DVD. If you have problems handling the traffic, maybe you should consider mirroring the images? What? I *do* mirror the images. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:23:19 +0200 Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, A noticable number of people appear to be hoarding our CD/DVD images. More importantly, my mirror server logs show that many people keep downloading files past the first image. For example last month I've had 257 distinct IPs fetching first image files, and yet 95 were also fetching second or later image files. 27% of people are supposed to have an actual need for other images, even though they have such a quality Internet access that they can download CD/DVD image files in the first place? That's really unlikely. I downloaded all the CD images for Etch when I installed it on a laptop for someone who doesn't have internet access (and might be able to get dialup) and who I won't be get the computer from to install new software if they need it or if they hose the system (I created instruction and post-install script that should make it possible for them to reinstall the system from scratch without a network connection if necessary). I installed packages from all but one or two of the CD's. Of course fewer CD's would be necessary for such a case if the order of packages was more sane, but AFAIK it's based on popcon so it's as good as it's likely to get. -- And that's my crabbing done for the day. Got it out of the way early, now I have the rest of the afternoon to sniff fragrant tea-roses or strangle cute bunnies or something. -- Michael Devore GnuPG Key Fingerprint 86 F5 81 A5 D4 2E 1F 1C http://gnupg.org No more sea shells: Daniel's Webloghttp://cshore.wordpress.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature
excess secondary CD/DVD image downloading
Hi, A noticable number of people appear to be hoarding our CD/DVD images. More importantly, my mirror server logs show that many people keep downloading files past the first image. For example last month I've had 257 distinct IPs fetching first image files, and yet 95 were also fetching second or later image files. 27% of people are supposed to have an actual need for other images, even though they have such a quality Internet access that they can download CD/DVD image files in the first place? That's really unlikely. This might be attributable to the fact that our warnings against over-downloading appear at the end of the intro section on our web pages, and some people will always skip over that, sadly. Maybe we need HEADER.html files in all relevant debian-cd/ directories, so that all mirror web servers can display the same warning? Or even better - move the non-first images to a subdirectory everywhere. That way, people would see more clearly that additional images are secondary. (Please Cc: responses to -mirrors, I'm not subscribed to -cd.) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
