Re: Testing list changes.
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must be reading some other mailing list than I am, because I haven't seen a comment on an upload on debian-changes for several years. Look at debian-devel-changes archives, same thing applies there Isn't this called 'wishful thinking'? -- (-) ukasz Grochal [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for PGP key visit:) _ http://www.rotfl.eu.org/ __ ... all in all it's just another rule in the firewall. /Ping Flood/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must be reading some other mailing list than I am, because I haven't seen a comment on an upload on debian-changes for several years. Look at debian-devel-changes archives, same thing applies there Isn't this called 'wishful thinking'? -- (-) ukasz Grochal [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for PGP key visit:) _ http://www.rotfl.eu.org/ __ ... all in all it's just another rule in the firewall. /Ping Flood/
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Jaakko Niemi wrote: If you are reading this, I screwed up. What are you trying to do? Being able to post to this list has some merits. Wichert. -- _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Previously Jaakko Niemi wrote: If you are reading this, I screwed up. What are you trying to do? Being able to post to this list has some merits. Are you really sure that there are any reasons to permit posting from accounts that are _not_ subscribed to the list? And if so - not to restrict those to a group of just few, automatically moderating out any other? I personally do not see any and I believe this is what the whole problem is about. And in listar, this is controlled by (surprise!) _one_ configuration variable (and perhaps some |DIAGNOSTIC| subscriber flags). I doubt it is more complicated in whatever-sort- -of-mailing-list-software-this-list-uses. I'm not talking about any restrictions here. I'm talking about simple countermeasures that would help to keep spam away from this list. Open posting lists are now anachronism and it would be nice if administrators of _this_ list finally realized this. I'm afraid that for now on-topic/spam ratio for it is less than 1 which means that the list simply dies. And BTW - I'm sending this from yet another account that for sure is not subscribed. See? Shall I try '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' next time? Or... am I missing something? Regards, -- (-) ukasz Grochal [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for PGP key visit:) _ http://www.rotfl.eu.org/ __ ... all in all it's just another rule in the firewall. /Ping Flood/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
On 2001-12-07 (Friday) at 14:27:45 +0100, ?ukasz Grochal wrote: Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Previously Jaakko Niemi wrote: If you are reading this, I screwed up. What are you trying to do? Being able to post to this list has some merits. Are you really sure that there are any reasons to permit posting from accounts that are _not_ subscribed to the list? And if so - not to restrict those to a group of just few, automatically moderating out any other? I personally do not see any and I believe this is what the whole problem is about. And in listar, this is controlled by (surprise!) _one_ configuration variable (and perhaps some |DIAGNOSTIC| subscriber flags). I doubt it is more complicated in whatever-sort- -of-mailing-list-software-this-list-uses. I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list (i.e. it's mentioned on a line on it's own with no following value). I've been emailing listmaster (which turned out to be Jaakko Niemi) off-list requesting this behaviour to reduce spam, it looks like he might be trying to implement it. This setting will allow subscribers to post to the list but not non-subscribers (including spammers). Mark. msg01403/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Mark Sheppard wrote: I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Wichert. -- _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
At this point, then, to stop getting spammed the only perfectly reasonable thing is to unsubscribe. I just did :) On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 09:45, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Mark Sheppard wrote: I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Wichert. -- _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ## ## Nicholas Borko [EMAIL PROTECTED] ##XXProject Manager, Internal Development ## ## 112 E. Pecan St. Suite 600 Phone: 210-892-4000 ## ## San Antonio, TX 78205 FAX: 210-892-4239 R A C K S P A C E Managed Hosting http://www.rackspace.com/ Fanatical Support. Unmatched Speed. Unlimited Flexibility. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Christofer C. Bell wrote: It's a different Internet now than in the past. Perhaps it's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect people to subscribe every address they wish to post from. That's completely braindead. Wichert. -- _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
Not really. My official address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but that isn't my ISP. It's a forwarder. That way I can shift ISPs without having to fix e-mail subsriptions all the time. However there is *no* way I can really post from pobox because that is just a forwarder. However something *has* to be done. Half of the spam I receive is now coming from this list. I've about had it. The fact is that this list is going to die if something isn't done. -Mike On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Mark Sheppard wrote: I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. It's a different Internet now than in the past. Perhaps it's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect people to subscribe every address they wish to post from. -- Chris Build a man a fire and he will be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. -- Unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mike Isely | PGP fingerprint POSITIVELY NO | | 03 54 43 4D 75 E5 CC 92 UNSOLICITED JUNK MAIL! | isely @ pobox (dot) com | 71 16 01 E2 B5 F5 C1 E8 | (spam-foiling address) | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Christofer C. Bell wrote: It's a different Internet now than in the past. Perhaps it's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect people to subscribe every address they wish to post from. That's completely braindead. How many accounts does a given person have? Smart list software supports being subscribed from an address without actually receiving any mail on that address. That is the correct hting to use in that case. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. So, for the sake of the list being more idiot-friendly, ie. allowing those dumbs, who can't think of subscribing _both_ their addresses to the list you expect all the others to receive more spam than on-topic traffic (as I mentioned before, lately spam/on-topic ratio is much above 1)? Well, I personally don't find this a perfectly reasonable thing to do. What I think, if you asked, is a perfectly reasonable solution, is to stop reading this list. Regards, -- (-) ukasz Grochal [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for PGP key visit:) _ http://www.rotfl.eu.org/ __ ... all in all it's just another rule in the firewall. /Ping Flood/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
hi, everybody, Part of spam could be identified by creating a dummy mailinglist, debian-a, where nobody should ever send mail to. If an email was received on this list, it would be sure to be spam, so distribution of identical emails by same sender on other lists could be inhibited. This is just my $0.02, i dont know whether trouble to set this up would outweigh its benefits, at least it doesnt violate openness. Happy hacking, Siward. ___ It is assumed that reader is reasonably familiar with dpkg System Administrator's manual. Unfortunately, this manual does not yet exist (from Debian Packaging Manual) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
Am Fre, 7. Dez 2001, 11:16:28 -0800 schrieb Nicole Zimmerman: At 08:09 on Dec 7, Mike Isely combined all the right letters to say: Not really. My official address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but that isn't my ISP. It's a forwarder. That way I can shift ISPs without having to fix e-mail subsriptions all the time. However there is *no* way I can really post from pobox because that is just a forwarder. Every mailer that I can think of has a way to change the way your from address appears. Provided that the mailer properly handles your request to change your from address, you should really be able to send mail appearing to come from a subscribed address (even if your end-result ISP address, for example, is different). As a matter of fact, this is what I am doing right now. I wanted to do that too, but had to learn then, that our local student smtp-server allows only from adresses from the local student domain. Of course it also isn't possible to use another smtp-server... Fortunately I can ssh out to another box and do smtp from there, but thats not possible for everyone. That said, it realy doesn't apply to this list, as the only one who has to send things here is the archive maintenance software as Josip Rodin pointed out in another mail. Regards, Jö. -- A mathematician is a device to turn coffee into theorems. msg01422/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Testing list changes.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: At 08:09 on Dec 7, Mike Isely combined all the right letters to say: Not really. My official address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but that isn't my ISP. It's a forwarder. That way I can shift ISPs without having to fix e-mail subsriptions all the time. However there is *no* way I can really post from pobox because that is just a forwarder. Every mailer that I can think of has a way to change the way your from address appears. Provided that the mailer properly handles your request to change your from address, you should really be able to send mail appearing to come from a subscribed address (even if your end-result ISP address, for example, is different). As a matter of fact, this is what I am doing right now. I was presuming that since spammers can also adjust the from address that the list server might have a more secure means of verifying the sender rather than just with the from address (which I've always had changed anyway). That said, debian-changes is not really a discussion list, so why would wanting to post to it be a large issue for anyone but people providing changes -- hopefully people smart enough to change their mailer's from: field? I wholeheartedly agree here, and didn't realize this obvious point until after I posted. This seems to be a perfect case of where the list of allowed posters should be a *very* small set (including whatever additional addresses those posters use), thus solving the poroblem. With that said, I will drop back into lurk mode. Sorry for generating yet more noise on this list... -Mike | Mike Isely | PGP fingerprint POSITIVELY NO | | 03 54 43 4D 75 E5 CC 92 UNSOLICITED JUNK MAIL! | isely @ pobox (dot) com | 71 16 01 E2 B5 F5 C1 E8 | (spam-foiling address) | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing list changes.
Jaakko Niemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you are reading this, I screwed up. And if I see this, it's time to unsubscribe. I wondered if I should send this but hey - one spam more, one less, who cares? -- (-) ukasz Grochal [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for PGP key visit:) _ http://www.rotfl.eu.org/ __ ... all in all it's just another rule in the firewall. /Ping Flood/
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Jaakko Niemi wrote: If you are reading this, I screwed up. What are you trying to do? Being able to post to this list has some merits. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Testing list changes.
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Previously Jaakko Niemi wrote: If you are reading this, I screwed up. What are you trying to do? Being able to post to this list has some merits. Are you really sure that there are any reasons to permit posting from accounts that are _not_ subscribed to the list? And if so - not to restrict those to a group of just few, automatically moderating out any other? I personally do not see any and I believe this is what the whole problem is about. And in listar, this is controlled by (surprise!) _one_ configuration variable (and perhaps some |DIAGNOSTIC| subscriber flags). I doubt it is more complicated in whatever-sort- -of-mailing-list-software-this-list-uses. I'm not talking about any restrictions here. I'm talking about simple countermeasures that would help to keep spam away from this list. Open posting lists are now anachronism and it would be nice if administrators of _this_ list finally realized this. I'm afraid that for now on-topic/spam ratio for it is less than 1 which means that the list simply dies. And BTW - I'm sending this from yet another account that for sure is not subscribed. See? Shall I try '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' next time? Or... am I missing something? Regards, -- (-) ukasz Grochal [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for PGP key visit:) _ http://www.rotfl.eu.org/ __ ... all in all it's just another rule in the firewall. /Ping Flood/
Re: Testing list changes.
On 2001-12-07 (Friday) at 14:27:45 +0100, ?ukasz Grochal wrote: Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Previously Jaakko Niemi wrote: If you are reading this, I screwed up. What are you trying to do? Being able to post to this list has some merits. Are you really sure that there are any reasons to permit posting from accounts that are _not_ subscribed to the list? And if so - not to restrict those to a group of just few, automatically moderating out any other? I personally do not see any and I believe this is what the whole problem is about. And in listar, this is controlled by (surprise!) _one_ configuration variable (and perhaps some |DIAGNOSTIC| subscriber flags). I doubt it is more complicated in whatever-sort- -of-mailing-list-software-this-list-uses. I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list (i.e. it's mentioned on a line on it's own with no following value). I've been emailing listmaster (which turned out to be Jaakko Niemi) off-list requesting this behaviour to reduce spam, it looks like he might be trying to implement it. This setting will allow subscribers to post to the list but not non-subscribers (including spammers). Mark. pgp9cCScLrSqN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Mark Sheppard wrote: I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Testing list changes.
At this point, then, to stop getting spammed the only perfectly reasonable thing is to unsubscribe. I just did :) On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 09:45, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Mark Sheppard wrote: I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ## ## Nicholas Borko [EMAIL PROTECTED] ##XXProject Manager, Internal Development ## ## 112 E. Pecan St. Suite 600 Phone: 210-892-4000 ## ## San Antonio, TX 78205 FAX: 210-892-4239 R A C K S P A C E Managed Hosting http://www.rackspace.com/ Fanatical Support. Unmatched Speed. Unlimited Flexibility.
Re: Testing list changes.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Mark Sheppard wrote: I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. It's a different Internet now than in the past. Perhaps it's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect people to subscribe every address they wish to post from. -- Chris Build a man a fire and he will be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. -- Unknown
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Christofer C. Bell wrote: It's a different Internet now than in the past. Perhaps it's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect people to subscribe every address they wish to post from. That's completely braindead. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Testing list changes.
Not really. My official address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but that isn't my ISP. It's a forwarder. That way I can shift ISPs without having to fix e-mail subsriptions all the time. However there is *no* way I can really post from pobox because that is just a forwarder. However something *has* to be done. Half of the spam I receive is now coming from this list. I've about had it. The fact is that this list is going to die if something isn't done. -Mike On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Mark Sheppard wrote: I believe Debian's lists use SmartList in which case all that needs doing is to make sure foreign_submit is unset in rc.custom for the list We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. It's a different Internet now than in the past. Perhaps it's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect people to subscribe every address they wish to post from. -- Chris Build a man a fire and he will be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. -- Unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mike Isely | PGP fingerprint POSITIVELY NO | | 03 54 43 4D 75 E5 CC 92 UNSOLICITED JUNK MAIL! | isely @ pobox (dot) com | 71 16 01 E2 B5 F5 C1 E8 | (spam-foiling address) |
Re: Testing list changes.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Christofer C. Bell wrote: It's a different Internet now than in the past. Perhaps it's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect people to subscribe every address they wish to post from. That's completely braindead. *shrugs* So is America OnLine and yet they're thriving. I'll just follow the flood of other unsubscribes. Tootles. -- Chris Build a man a fire and he will be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. -- Unknown
Testing list changes.
Yo people, This whole discussion is off-topic. I subscribed to follow the debian-changes, not to follow these endless discussions. Plz stay on topic mafkees Michiel van Baak pgpq70TEvxYc8.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi, On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 06:15:14PM +0100, Michiel van Baak wrote: This whole discussion is off-topic. So is spam. I subscribed to follow the debian-changes, not to follow these endless discussions. I subscribed to follow the debian-changes, not to receive more spam than useful messages. Greetings and good bye, Andreas
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Lennart Sorensen wrote: How many accounts does a given person have? It's very common to use a list-specific email address by encoding the listname into the email address. Some people mail from different locations depending on if they are at home, work, travelling, etc. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Testing list changes.
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've had that detabase too often already, and it won't be done. There are too many people posting from different email addresses then they are subscribed with, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. So, for the sake of the list being more idiot-friendly, ie. allowing those dumbs, who can't think of subscribing _both_ their addresses to the list you expect all the others to receive more spam than on-topic traffic (as I mentioned before, lately spam/on-topic ratio is much above 1)? Well, I personally don't find this a perfectly reasonable thing to do. What I think, if you asked, is a perfectly reasonable solution, is to stop reading this list. Regards, -- (-) ukasz Grochal [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for PGP key visit:) _ http://www.rotfl.eu.org/ __ ... all in all it's just another rule in the firewall. /Ping Flood/
Re: Testing list changes.
At 08:09 on Dec 7, Mike Isely combined all the right letters to say: Not really. My official address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but that isn't my ISP. It's a forwarder. That way I can shift ISPs without having to fix e-mail subsriptions all the time. However there is *no* way I can really post from pobox because that is just a forwarder. Every mailer that I can think of has a way to change the way your from address appears. Provided that the mailer properly handles your request to change your from address, you should really be able to send mail appearing to come from a subscribed address (even if your end-result ISP address, for example, is different). As a matter of fact, this is what I am doing right now. That said, debian-changes is not really a discussion list, so why would wanting to post to it be a large issue for anyone but people providing changes -- hopefully people smart enough to change their mailer's from: field? -nicole
Re: Testing list changes.
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:16:28AM -0800, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: That said, debian-changes is not really a discussion list, so why would wanting to post to it be a large issue for anyone but people providing changes -- hopefully people smart enough to change their mailer's from: field? All this address checking or mangling isn't necessary, even. The only person/thing that should post to this list is the Debian archive maintenance software, when it installs a new package to stable. It can communicate with the list management software to authenticate itself, using a special header, or something like that. This recent discussion perhaps seems redundant and offtopic to some people, and I agree, however, it can one positive effect -- the listmasters can see that the readership is really interested in them implementing the above solution, which would be an incentive for them to do it. (I guess :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Testing list changes.
hi, everybody, Part of spam could be identified by creating a dummy mailinglist, debian-a, where nobody should ever send mail to. If an email was received on this list, it would be sure to be spam, so distribution of identical emails by same sender on other lists could be inhibited. This is just my $0.02, i dont know whether trouble to set this up would outweigh its benefits, at least it doesnt violate openness. Happy hacking, Siward. ___ It is assumed that reader is reasonably familiar with dpkg System Administrator's manual. Unfortunately, this manual does not yet exist (from Debian Packaging Manual)
Re: Testing list changes.
Am Fre, 7. Dez 2001, 11:16:28 -0800 schrieb Nicole Zimmerman: At 08:09 on Dec 7, Mike Isely combined all the right letters to say: Not really. My official address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but that isn't my ISP. It's a forwarder. That way I can shift ISPs without having to fix e-mail subsriptions all the time. However there is *no* way I can really post from pobox because that is just a forwarder. Every mailer that I can think of has a way to change the way your from address appears. Provided that the mailer properly handles your request to change your from address, you should really be able to send mail appearing to come from a subscribed address (even if your end-result ISP address, for example, is different). As a matter of fact, this is what I am doing right now. I wanted to do that too, but had to learn then, that our local student smtp-server allows only from adresses from the local student domain. Of course it also isn't possible to use another smtp-server... Fortunately I can ssh out to another box and do smtp from there, but thats not possible for everyone. That said, it realy doesn't apply to this list, as the only one who has to send things here is the archive maintenance software as Josip Rodin pointed out in another mail. Regards, Jö. -- A mathematician is a device to turn coffee into theorems. pgpyzRdSUgWhH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Testing list changes.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: At 08:09 on Dec 7, Mike Isely combined all the right letters to say: Not really. My official address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] but that isn't my ISP. It's a forwarder. That way I can shift ISPs without having to fix e-mail subsriptions all the time. However there is *no* way I can really post from pobox because that is just a forwarder. Every mailer that I can think of has a way to change the way your from address appears. Provided that the mailer properly handles your request to change your from address, you should really be able to send mail appearing to come from a subscribed address (even if your end-result ISP address, for example, is different). As a matter of fact, this is what I am doing right now. I was presuming that since spammers can also adjust the from address that the list server might have a more secure means of verifying the sender rather than just with the from address (which I've always had changed anyway). That said, debian-changes is not really a discussion list, so why would wanting to post to it be a large issue for anyone but people providing changes -- hopefully people smart enough to change their mailer's from: field? I wholeheartedly agree here, and didn't realize this obvious point until after I posted. This seems to be a perfect case of where the list of allowed posters should be a *very* small set (including whatever additional addresses those posters use), thus solving the poroblem. With that said, I will drop back into lurk mode. Sorry for generating yet more noise on this list... -Mike | Mike Isely | PGP fingerprint POSITIVELY NO | | 03 54 43 4D 75 E5 CC 92 UNSOLICITED JUNK MAIL! | isely @ pobox (dot) com | 71 16 01 E2 B5 F5 C1 E8 | (spam-foiling address) |
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Josip Rodin wrote: All this address checking or mangling isn't necessary, even. The only person/thing that should post to this list is the Debian archive maintenance software, when it installs a new package to stable. I disagree, it's been used frequently to comment on uploads which is quite useful imho. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Testing list changes.
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 10:47:10PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: All this address checking or mangling isn't necessary, even. The only person/thing that should post to this list is the Debian archive maintenance software, when it installs a new package to stable. I disagree, it's been used frequently to comment on uploads which is quite useful imho. You must be reading some other mailing list than I am, because I haven't seen a comment on an upload on debian-changes for several years. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Testing list changes.
Previously Josip Rodin wrote: You must be reading some other mailing list than I am, because I haven't seen a comment on an upload on debian-changes for several years. Look at debian-devel-changes archives, same thing applies there Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Testing list changes.
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Re: Testing list changes.
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Testing list changes.
If you are reading this, I screwed up. -j
