Re: assigning to tech ctte (Re: status of this bug)

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

Isn't this kind of thing the normal fodder for the Release
 Notes?  I seem to recall a number of  upgrades where upgrading the
 package management tools _first_ was the only way to achieve a smooth
 upgrade, and this seems to be no different.  If the decisions is
 between having the release notes specify that package management tools
 have to be upgraded first, and not allowing users the freedom to
 install on,ly bash, and not the auto-completion package, it is entirely
 reasonable that the release team picks the former.

manoj 
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Bug#484333: assigning to tech ctte (Re: status of this bug)

[Don Armstrong]

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008, Robert Millan wrote:
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 01:25:25PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
> > I think this shows clearly there's an unresolved transition here.
> > I understand bash-completion shouldn't be Essential, but the
> > process for moving it out isn't being done properly. It's not
> > acceptable that end users get this functionality silently disabled
> > without any obvious explanation (they might not even know which
> > package provides it, or how).

The release notes can trivially deal with this by suggesting (as they
currently do!) that users use aptitude, which even in etch, handles
Recommends: properly. They can also mention this specific problem, and
handle the general class of problems where packages have been demoted
to Recommends and/or split.

Making bash-completion a dependency of bash obviates one of the
important advantages of splitting out bash-completion: the ability to
not have bash-completion installed.

I suggest reassigning this bug to release notes with the following
suggested verbiage:

  If you use apt-get to upgrade to lenny, you should first upgrade apt
  to the version in lenny, and then complete the upgrade to lenny
  using that version. The version of apt in lenny properly handles
  packages which have been split, with significant features only
  Recommended: by the unsplit packages.


Don Armstrong

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Processed: assigning to tech ctte (Re: status of this bug)

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> clone 468858 -1
Bug#468858: upgrades not properly handled (re: bash-completion)
Bug 468858 cloned as bug 484333.

> reassign -1 tech-ctte
Bug#484333: upgrades not properly handled (re: bash-completion)
Bug reassigned from package `bash' to `tech-ctte'.

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assigning to tech ctte (Re: status of this bug)

[Robert Millan]

clone 468858 -1
reassign -1 tech-ctte
thanks

Dear Technical Committee,

Could you resolve this dispute?  Matthias has indicated that he disagrees by
adding the "wontfix" tag, but hasn't explained why (I expect he will now).

Notice that this problem only affects the etch->lenny transition.  Please
treat this urgently enough so that the change can be applied in time in case
you decide it ought to.

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 01:25:25PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
> 
> To summarize what the current status of this bug is:
> 
>   - Users who install etch get bash completion as part of the default install
> (as part of bash package).
> 
>   - Users who install lenny get bash completion as part of the default install
> (via bash-completion package which is installed by tasksel).
> 
>   - Users who install etch and upgrade to lenny would preserve bash-completion
> functionality because of the Recommends in bash, _but_ apt in etch doesn't
> follow Recommends yet, so this only applies if they update apt first.
> 
> I think this shows clearly there's an unresolved transition here.  I 
> understand
> bash-completion shouldn't be Essential, but the process for moving it out 
> isn't
> being done properly.  It's not acceptable that end users get this 
> functionality
> silently disabled without any obvious explanation (they might not even know
> which package provides it, or how).
> 
> My proposal is that in lenny, bash Depends on bash-completion, and for lenny+1
> it moves it back to Recommends.
> 
> Matthias, if you still have an objection to this approach, please bring it up.

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