Re: Bug#839172: TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet

[Sean Whitton]

control: tag -1 +pending

Hello Didier,

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 11:22:28AM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> I now gathered some old memories and remembered that there was indeed a bug 
> about this that got stalled: #707851 (which was the TC bug). See from message 
> #475 (September 2015), where I tried to push a wording quite similar to yours 
> to Policy:
> 
> > +Applications that are registred in the desktop menu shall not also
> > +provide a Debian menu file for the same application.
> [...]
> So… I'm fine with your wording, but thought it'd be useful to point at the 
> previous discussion about this very subject.

Thank you for digging this up!

I have no desire to argue in favour of either your patch or mine, but
since mine has been okayed by three TC members in this bug, in the
interests of getting this bug closed, I've gone ahead and applied it.

-- 
Sean Whitton


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Re: Bug#839172: TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet

[David Bremner]

Sean Whitton  writes:

> diff --git a/policy.xml b/policy.xml
> index 3daa532..934a85b 100644
> --- a/policy.xml
> +++ b/policy.xml
> @@ -8990,14 +8990,8 @@ Reloading description 
> configuration...done.
>  receive extra contributions such as translations.
>
>
> -Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some
> -window managers that do not support the FreeDesktop standard, also
> -provide a Debian menu file, following the
> -Debian menu policy, which can be found in the
> -menu-policy files in the
> -debian-policy package.  It is also available
> -from the Debian web mirrors at  -
> url="https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/;>https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/.
> +If a package installs a FreeDesktop desktop entries, it must
> +not also install a Debian menu entry.
>
>  
>
> -- 
> Sean Whitton

I looked at the older version from Didier, and this one. Both ok for me,
but I have a slight preference for the shorter version. So consider
Sean's proposal seconded.

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Re: Bug#839172: TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet

[Didier 'OdyX' Raboud]

Le jeudi, 3 août 2017, 08.53:09 h CEST Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
> Le mardi, 1 août 2017, 11.01:10 h CEST Sean Whitton a écrit :
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 02:55:31PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > > We also approved the decision that packages should not include both a
> > > menu file and a desktop file.
> > 
> > For reference, Policy currently says that packages should include a
> > desktop file, and may also include a menu file for the sake of old
> > window managers.
> > > The action to draft language for that has stalled in the policy
> > > process.
> > 
> > Is there a policy bug that got stalled?  If not, maybe this bug should
> > just be reassigned to policy?

I now gathered some old memories and remembered that there was indeed a bug 
about this that got stalled: #707851 (which was the TC bug). See from message 
#475 (September 2015), where I tried to push a wording quite similar to yours 
to Policy:

> +Applications that are registred in the desktop menu shall not also
> +provide a Debian menu file for the same application.

So https://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2015/09/msg00024.html is the start 
of the thread that stalled.

I read the arguments back then as critics against the TC decision itself, not 
discussions about the wording. My argument back then (and it has not changed) 
is that now that the TC decision is made, it should find it's way into the 
Policy.

So… I'm fine with your wording, but thought it'd be useful to point at the 
previous discussion about this very subject.

Cheers,
OdyX

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