Re: Please do not unblock gnome-meta just yet
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (25/09/2012): As you may be aware, the TC recently overruled the maintainers of the gnome-core metapackage, deciding that the dependency from gnome-core to network-manager should be weakened from Depends to Recommends. (The full TC decision is reproduced below.) In response to this the maintainers have uploaded a new version of meta-gnome in which the gnome-core package Recommends network-manager-gnome, as required. However, additionally, they have reintroduced a dependency from gnome to network-manager-gnome, as Depends. See the changes info, also below. The Release Team should be aware that our request to unblock the update to meta-gnome implementing the TC decision does not extend to this latter change to meta-gnome. I am going to try to get the TC to pass another resolution specifically overruling this further decision by the gnome-core maintainers. Surely everyone has better things to do to get wheezy released? Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Please do not unblock gnome-meta just yet
Le mardi 25 septembre 2012 à 15:51 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : I am going to try to get the TC to pass another resolution specifically overruling this further decision by the gnome-core maintainers. Good luck for your crusade. You might well end up ridding of all GNOME maintainers, that would be a great achievement. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348587405.30505.37.camel@pi0307572
Re: Please do not unblock gnome-meta just yet
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 03:51:17PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: As you may be aware, the TC recently overruled the maintainers of the gnome-core metapackage, deciding that the dependency from gnome-core to network-manager should be weakened from Depends to Recommends. (The full TC decision is reproduced below.) Which he followed. Let's look there. 7. The Technical Committee overrules the decision of the gnome-core metapackage maintainers. The dependency from gnome-core to network-manager-gnome should be downgraded to Recommends *gnome-core* In response to this the maintainers have uploaded a new version of meta-gnome in which the gnome-core package Recommends network-manager-gnome, as required. However, additionally, they have As you want. reintroduced a dependency from gnome to network-manager-gnome, as Depends. See the changes info, also below. The Release Team should be aware that our request to unblock the update to meta-gnome implementing the TC decision does not extend to this latter change to meta-gnome. I believe that exceeds your powers. Your decision was implemented correct. Ans n-m - as people might like or not like, I am one who deson't (as a n-m user) - is part of GNOME depending on it for the *full* *gnome* IMHO is ok. I am going to try to get the TC to pass another resolution specifically overruling this further decision by the gnome-core maintainers. I agree with Josselin here completely. Stop the crusade. Regards, Rebe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120925155315.ga4...@rene-engelhard.de
Re: Please do not unblock gnome-meta just yet
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 15:51:17 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: As you may be aware, the TC recently overruled the maintainers of the gnome-core metapackage, deciding that the dependency from gnome-core to network-manager should be weakened from Depends to Recommends. (The full TC decision is reproduced below.) In response to this the maintainers have uploaded a new version of meta-gnome in which the gnome-core package Recommends network-manager-gnome, as required. However, additionally, they have reintroduced a dependency from gnome to network-manager-gnome, as Depends. See the changes info, also below. The Release Team should be aware that our request to unblock the update to meta-gnome implementing the TC decision does not extend to this latter change to meta-gnome. The TC decision didn't say anything about the gnome metapackage AFAICT. You're welcome to try and get the gnome maintainers to revert that other change, or go to the TC to get them overruled again, but I don't think this is any of the release team's business at this point. Moreover, the current gnome-core package in wheezy depends on network-manager-gnome, so not unblocking 1:3.4+2 doesn't seem to help you in any case. So I've added an unblock hint for meta-gnome3/1:3.4+2. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Please do not unblock gnome-meta just yet
Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org writes: * Julien Cristau (jcris...@debian.org) [120925 18:52]: The TC decision didn't say anything about the gnome metapackage AFAICT. The resolution said: | [...] users who have | gnome or gnome-core installed but have removed or never installed | network-manager will have network-manager installed during an upgrade | from squeeze. | The Technical Committee believes that this will cause undesireable | behavior for upgrades from squeeze So I think while not explicitly spelling out that there should be no depends from gnome to n-m, adding one is against the spirit of the resolution. It's a hole in my wording, which I apologize for. I'm not sure that we specifically discussed this case. I had been assuming that the gnome metapackage would pose the same issue, but I don't think I ever said that explicitly. I agree with Julien that there's no reason for the release-team to hold off on unblocking the current package, since it doesn't make matters any worse. But I also agree with Ian that I don't think this is what we intended and we probably need to talk about it again. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gri9ebu@windlord.stanford.edu
