Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2020/06/02 00:59, Sean Whitton wrote: >> The Technical Committee now consists of: >> >> * Margarita Manterola (chairperson) >> * Sean Whitton > Might be worth alphabetising by last name, with the possibly exception > of the chair. Not sure. Just thought I'd mention it. I think this addresses all the feedback: """ To: debian-devel-announce@... Subject: New appointments for the Debian Technical Committee Dear fellow developers, As defined by our constitution (§6.2.2), the Debian Technical Committee has recommended the appointment of: * Sean Whitton * Elana Hashman I am happy to follow their recommendation and hereby appoint Sean and Elana as members of the Technical Committee, effective immediately. For reference, their nominations and votes are recorded at: * https://bugs.debian.org/961153 (Sean) * https://bugs.debian.org/961156 (Elana) Since the last appointment update for the Debian Technical Committee[1], the terms of Didier Raboud and Tollef Fog Heen have expired. Many thanks to both of them for their service. Margarita Manterola is the current chair of the Debian Technical Committee. The Technical Committee now consists of: * Margarita Manterola (chair) * David Bremner * Philip Hands * Elana Hashman * Simon McVittie * Niko Tyni * Sean Whitton * Gunnar Wolf Task Description - - The Technical Committee is established by the Debian Constitution, section 6. It is the body which makes the final decision on technical disputes in the Debian project. More info about the Technical Committee, including recent decisions, discussion and advice, may be found here: * https://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte [1] https://lists.debian.org/1521224077.296447.1305789200.53C43961@webmail.m essagingengine.com - -Jonathan, Debian Project Leader """ - -Jonathan - -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄ Debian, the universal operating system. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEExyA8CpIGcL+U8AuxsB0acqyNyaEFAl7WJdEACgkQsB0acqyN yaHgnA/+MzHsekQro/esBgjhAU1SbURY0HuP8z6ZZYdZ1CO1oTUBpMnSthcNLief WfOF8jz0gn3b9CZ60waupNUXlKaS71oRxsJKwhcVxMoFUy/m9xg3Tc48JwqyczYn 4Cew+qYXZ+ugNtvlDAYmEq7s5K6unLi5QHT1OF5tcovJMhWhnY/GmWZYiLpC1lME R0arJ+K0qmTXcyFfSUEPUkmArhEJ1efXKTN9gGvkjwh79AX7rCejZZlccpfMJH7n q7BVSmHQOlib2Kq0PCjZ478Oemw0HsYNj4yfITNpYcau9RYPKzSpQRxh1PvFFvTE /6mADC1KjmYPdahKFRtN2WKhlJWraPRTJ4cRbvp3DSZUekMhMOo6si0V29mr+lZc o60D16zWiy44Pt7x2p0oWE6AQbPmynDwOK5hvYWV/26LGjKcvKl9/P3w6gDaY6Nr fRllKkx89R/tkMOeA18rKFTTNMhZc4omPaU2FMFAUWc4sIlOc9SToPglT5nMub46 wci/+68k2ioXaSfj0FtXpp+aZcWELNz6a3wMu3sBE4FCYKibYPx7fDczb407CE2T ZX1eBJhjKDGskJ1quB9ijiHhCZOjW/TSVcrjC3NiHmgc0UI0XVuGbOOmY+w8Q2oI DhFX0nEicVGxCRDSiYMBGNt0Udw8EXNHnMRqxAWvWOmaGmWvWnM= =29JK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
Hello Jonathan! Jonathan Carter dijo [Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 08:30:11PM +0200]: > 2. The last ctte update linked from > https://www.debian.org/intro/organization is > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/03/msg5.html, > and it does indeed seem to be the latest appointment update. Right, we should be keeping things up to date more often. I guess this fell through the cracks :-| > Personally I find it a bit strange that we don't announce the expired > terms, or even that Margarita is now the chair. I think it's a > high-profile enough team in Debian that we should be announcing these > kinds of changes, so, I'm adding that to this email. If you think that I > rather shouldn't, let me know and I'll gladly remove it again, or > otherwise suggest a change. Thanks for explicitly doing this! > I also renamed "chairman" to "chairperson" as it has become the de facto > designation in Debian, if you'd prefer I change it to something else or > revert it, let me know. > (...) > Margarita Manterola is the current chairperson of > the Debian Technical Committee. > > The Technical Committee now consists of: > > * Margarita Manterola (chairperson) > (...) Please note the correct term we voted on in a GR is "chair", not "chairperson": https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003 Greetings!
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
Hello Jonathan, I'm not presently a committee member, but fwiw I think this version (mentioning both bugs) is fine to send out. Thank you for your efforts. A few brief comments inline. On Mon 01 Jun 2020 at 11:24PM +02, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Since the last appointment update for the Debian > Technical Committee[1], the terms of Didier Raboud > and Tollef Fog Heen have expired. > > Many thanks to both of them for their service. > > Margarita Manterola is the current chairperson of > the Debian Technical Committee. I agree with you that it is a good idea to mention these items within d-d-a mail about new appointments, though I don't think it would be worth sending a whole d-d-a mail if all that happened was a change in chair or a term expiring. The constitution does specifically use 'chair' not 'chairperson' and we did have a vote on that, so that might be a reason to use that in official mail like this one. > The Technical Committee now consists of: > > * Margarita Manterola (chairperson) > * Philip Hands > * David Bremner > * Niko Tyni > * Gunnar Wolf > * Simon McVittie > * Elana Hashman > * Sean Whitton Might be worth alphabetising by last name, with the possibly exception of the chair. Not sure. Just thought I'd mention it. -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
Hi David On 2020/06/01 20:39, David Bremner wrote: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961153 (Sean) > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961156 (Elana) > > I'm not sure if the footnote is needed [1] _inside_ the quotes, or if it > relates to your surrounding discussion. It's meant to be inside the quotes, since there's a reference to it inside the quotes. Here's an updated version with the additional bug also added: """ To: debian-devel-announce@... Subject: New appointments for the Debian Technical Committee Dear fellow developers, As defined by our constitution (§6.2.2), the Debian Technical Committee has recommended the appointment of: * Sean Whitton * Elana Hashman I am happy to follow their recommendation and hereby appoint Sean and Elana as members of the Technical Committee, effective immediately. For reference, their nominations and votes are recorded at: * https://bugs.debian.org/961153 (Sean) * https://bugs.debian.org/961156 (Elana) Since the last appointment update for the Debian Technical Committee[1], the terms of Didier Raboud and Tollef Fog Heen have expired. Many thanks to both of them for their service. Margarita Manterola is the current chairperson of the Debian Technical Committee. The Technical Committee now consists of: * Margarita Manterola (chairperson) * Philip Hands * David Bremner * Niko Tyni * Gunnar Wolf * Simon McVittie * Elana Hashman * Sean Whitton Task Description - The Technical Committee is established by the Debian Constitution, section 6. It is the body which makes the final decision on technical disputes in the Debian project. More info about the Technical Committee, including recent decisions, discussion and advice, may be found here: * https://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte [1] https://lists.debian.org/1521224077.296447.1305789200.53C43961@webmail.m essagingengine.com -Jonathan, Debian Project Leader """ -Jonathan -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄ Debian, the universal operating system.
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
Jonathan Carter writes: > > For reference, their nominations and votes are recorded at: > > * https://bugs.debian.org/961156 There are two seperate bugs. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961153 (Sean) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961156 (Elana) I'm not sure if the footnote is needed [1] _inside_ the quotes, or if it relates to your surrounding discussion. HTH, David
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hey everyone I did a traceback of why I was so confused about this on Friday, it basically came down to two things: 1. I happened to have read https://www.debian.org/devel/leader just a few hours earlier and I think the line with "Appoint Delegates or delegate decisions to the Technical Committee" poisoned my brain cache to associate technical committee with "delegate", so my brain fart, sorr y. 2. The last ctte update linked from https://www.debian.org/intro/organization is https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/03/msg5.html, and it does indeed seem to be the latest appointment update. Personally I find it a bit strange that we don't announce the expired terms, or even that Margarita is now the chair. I think it's a high-profile enough team in Debian that we should be announcing these kinds of changes, so, I'm adding that to this email. If you think that I rather shouldn't, let me know and I'll gladly remove it again, or otherwise suggest a change. I also renamed "chairman" to "chairperson" as it has become the de facto designation in Debian, if you'd prefer I change it to something else or revert it, let me know. """ To: debian-devel-announce@... Subject: New appointments for the Debian Technical Committee Dear fellow developers, As defined by our constitution (§6.2.2), the Debian Technical Committee has recommended the appointment of: * Elana Hashman * Sean Whitton I am happy to follow their recommendation and hereby appoint Elana and Sean as members of the Technical Committee, effective immediately. For reference, their nominations and votes are recorded at: * https://bugs.debian.org/961156 Since the last appointment update for the Debian Technical Committee[1], the terms of Didier Raboud and Tollef Fog Heen have expired. Many thanks to both of them for their service. Margarita Manterola is the current chairperson of the Debian Technical Committee. The Technical Committee now consists of: * Margarita Manterola (chairperson) * Philip Hands * David Bremner * Niko Tyni * Gunnar Wolf * Simon McVittie * Elana Hashman * Sean Whitton Task Description - - The Technical Committee is established by the Debian Constitution, section 6. It is the body which makes the final decision on technical disputes in the Debian project. More info about the Technical Committee, including recent decisions, discussion and advice, may be found here: * https://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte [1] https://lists.debian.org/1521224077.296447.1305789200.53C43961@webmail.m essagingengine.com - -Jonathan, Debian Project Leader """ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEExyA8CpIGcL+U8AuxsB0acqyNyaEFAl7VSTMACgkQsB0acqyN yaHEIg//VC8/2VXCmaw35Uf1fD60ktGRK3M/O+0aFTVUCK9oeVjresIdpaeOl/YT 6kP+ClSntVlk/gIQrO4ZNTxOTls+IV8l+EB8sq2jddYUV4OJehc4EMXJYZcyUb0E BcqhuZLzNXLclxDippoQBms2w3PeiH0E9sabeg4/tufyce8swB4RJfL9aDMq1J31 X/Q1bmBAZWS4DohRc1YLUDXVeRN3Rs624Upvp/AsfKGwiSgc6gF0J81fu7d8CZa8 dLTDGVg0rLNZP5OxESLNydcYx6svyeal12tCBvfE1Vfcc/w/MHl1QtuiU6Gdc52p mMkxK0T9GLE2xZJMYJ3WAaBPamYkcpexoZV9SmvARmoAbSJrLYSlxQqXtPM3j/od K4jfIaJQzPj1vpkuNMxcBd4naUcuE6UpDVLryjhMCsDeYAsLvduxwIUuKlbKzEH8 KsvEtH1rUt0vkghJi33yifPC5muX4pQZC+KKXqmpvT6adpNIoC/Qe6MI6wBEPTid B2FxWygNf/FUS7wLXfpGgywXfIEXKUOFF5l/17oi4/IGoHOD1jCOrRZa0pXry+j2 MLGL5BNPSi5qq0sEDazEdTr4rjVy24geSIacJFmfaG7dfCp6XZoTjo8vggGjIYOM W1s/5E5Bv84YSntKt70Qbdd1z+SELOOmL2mrjUM2FHc8/ExeBa8= =Ic6x -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
Sean Whitton dijo [Thu, May 28, 2020 at 09:39:16AM -0700]: > > The Technical Committee now consists of: > > > > * Didier Raboud (chairman) > > * Philip Hands > > * Tollef Fog Heen > > * Margarita Manterola > > * David Bremner > > * Niko Tyni > > * Gunnar Wolf > > * Simon McVittie > > * Elana Hashman > > * Sean Whitton > > I don't believe that odyx, philh or tfheen are members anymore; their > terms expired. marga is the current chair. We still haven't managed to get rid of Phil. His time will come, sooner or later, but in the meantime you will have to enjoy his presence (I always do). signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
Le jeudi, 28 mai 2020, 18.27:24 h CEST Jonathan Carter a écrit : > Proposed delegation update, I'll go ahead if any one of you provides a > +1, otherwise, please provide corrections if necessary: > > The Technical Committee now consists of: > > * Didier Raboud (chairman) > * Philip Hands > * Tollef Fog Heen > * Margarita Manterola > * David Bremner > * Niko Tyni > * Gunnar Wolf > * Simon McVittie > * Elana Hashman > * Sean Whitton As far as I'm concerned, I don't consider myself part of the Technical Committee anymore since January 1. 2020. My term lasted from March 8. 2015 [1] to December 31. of 2019, as on January 1. 2019, my term was already longer than 42 months (§ 6.2.7.1). I believe the same goes for Tollef :-). Two comments from a now-outsider though: * since https://www.debian.org/vote/2016/vote_003, the Constitution uses "chair" instead of "chairman", so I'd encourage communications to stick with this. * as - a) the appointment of the chair of the Technical Committee is an exclusive power of the TC (§6.1.7), - b) the TC had voluntarily agreed to follow an automatic re-appointment of the chair after membership change [2], … I'd leave this information out of the DPL communication, as it could change right after the nomination Best regards, and best of luck to the new TC members! OdyX [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg3.html [2] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/tech-ctte/-/blob/master/procedures/ appointment_of_the_chair.md signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
On 2020/05/28 18:39, Sean Whitton wrote: > I don't believe that odyx, philh or tfheen are members anymore; their > terms expired. marga is the current chair. Sorry for all the noise, I seem to have gotten horribly confused earlier, I'll catch up with this again after a night's sleep. -Jonathan -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄ Debian, the universal operating system.
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
Hello, On Thu 28 May 2020 at 09:39AM -07, Sean Whitton wrote: > I don't believe that odyx, philh or tfheen are members anymore; their > terms expired. marga is the current chair. Er. Phil is still a member. Sorry :) -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
Hello Jonathan, On Thu 28 May 2020 at 06:27PM +02, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Proposed delegation update, It's not a delegation, just an appointment, fyi. > As defined by our constitution (§6.2.2), the Debian > Technical Committee has recommended the appointment of: > > * Elana Hashman > * Sean Whitton > > I am extremely happy to follow their recommendation and hereby > appoint Elana and Sean as members of the Technical Committee, effective > immediately. > > For reference, their nominations and votes are recorded at: > > * https://bugs.debian.org/961156 You probably want to mention both #961153 and #961156. > The Technical Committee now consists of: > > * Didier Raboud (chairman) > * Philip Hands > * Tollef Fog Heen > * Margarita Manterola > * David Bremner > * Niko Tyni > * Gunnar Wolf > * Simon McVittie > * Elana Hashman > * Sean Whitton I don't believe that odyx, philh or tfheen are members anymore; their terms expired. marga is the current chair. -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Proposed delegation update, I'll go ahead if any one of you provides a +1, otherwise, please provide corrections if necessary: """ Dear fellow developers, As defined by our constitution (§6.2.2), the Debian Technical Committee has recommended the appointment of: * Elana Hashman * Sean Whitton I am extremely happy to follow their recommendation and hereby appoint Elana and Sean as members of the Technical Committee, effective immediately. For reference, their nominations and votes are recorded at: * https://bugs.debian.org/961156 The Technical Committee now consists of: * Didier Raboud (chairman) * Philip Hands * Tollef Fog Heen * Margarita Manterola * David Bremner * Niko Tyni * Gunnar Wolf * Simon McVittie * Elana Hashman * Sean Whitton Task Description - - The Technical Committee is established by the Debian Constitution, section 6. It is the body which makes the final decision on technical disputes in the Debian project. More info about the Technical Committee, including recent decisions, discussion and advice, may be found here: * https://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte - -Jonathan, Debian Project Leader """ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEExyA8CpIGcL+U8AuxsB0acqyNyaEFAl7P5mwACgkQsB0acqyN yaGdBhAA0WADXWa2YJIzTJ++id/r0yTwBUb17G55pCkINu8nup9AcaEHWFrJoyCk DHjLKoq9EyZTm8FeX4B2P4rpNaBKOtwVOIdbgQwzxvgdR/VNqpyPSc+w+mOcT4JR Ztzc6STCnE6ZuGIXM2me+L5InCpktnAKDlL1N8pwyguua6Ym37DE2G7svY0zVttJ L4+WafoYcIp4YQFGF9nr2Zf2IvtSuleD047PRok8rgiAhOBbRcpPMeArzQ/Dl1GZ q61ky8ph4Umn4EigC3Pf6HALXMnl9GuMwY9Qhi3D2ZRFQG3I25CKslShUIfoIwHu Y/AW+nAFp4GpwCAzmOIzztaGLxzlPK3Nj/59a8CV2n+cojDrjdl8hE1q0knyUSku CSsSw3Sj57tdrp4Urb1J7kqZx7xvy+dl5qurRp/uNCku+YTGien1hRxYzd9Uj/FE vCGxTg++3q6309qa+rtznXr4GNc+zt3u034SWvLqFeG8avpwT8yVqkwHsf6RYa9Q AL4A7N7l9AstwZxt/9y3vfeQn9j2HtnF+YECMMkY0B9nFuL3865zNv101/DKy+tf CzSCbO6hcTPYHmZdovrfXwSdxA0eWvKq7aEidU5KNuPXVOzeUI7qtd/fhVJ7kUeo 5qtM+tWjnFyAepCbrWjA9YiLC65q78O0eiGNClLf3kcv5hxsZ0I= =316+ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
