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Re: Move to python 2.2 as default release?

2002-08-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:28:53PM -0400, Jim Penny wrote:
  Laura: (and Guido et al.)
  Debian plans to support at least Python 2.2 and 2.3 in the next
  release (sarge); [...]
 One final point.  We will almost definitely not switch the default
 python in sid (current unstable), until there is talk that Sarge is
 nearing a freeze.

*Beepbeepbeepbeep* Bad idea!

We're aiming for *short* freezes, which means we'll be saying something
like Okay, everything's in place, so please stop making major changes
now. You've got about a month to finish off ones that've already started,
and you won't have more than about another month to fix any bugs you
find.

Which means that if you try this you'll almost certainly get a No,
it's too late to do that for sarge. if you leave things that late.

 Moreover, we would not recommend that the target audience of
 Python-in-a-Tie run sid.  

However it's not unreasonable for the target audience of Python-in-a-Tie
to run sarge while it's still testing. Indeed, that's a good thing,
since it'll help iron out any bugs we may have before we decide to stop
making any changes.

In short: you get to decide what sarge-as-stable will look like *now*. If
you choose not to do that, you probably won't get to make a decision. If
your want your fallback position to be python 2.2 as default, then
you need to get that prepared sooner, not later.

Cheers,
_/\_ -- Debian release manager hat
 aj

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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:28:48PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
...
 2001-12-21. Also, there is no license provided for the fonts. 
 
...

The fonts and the metatype software are gpl'ed. 


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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote:

 Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and
 learning how to make our own tt fonts?
Font creation is kind of a science.  I'm really no expert but when I
spend some time in TeX and Metafont some years ago I've learned that
it needs some knowledge and skills to create good looking fonts which
look nice in every skaling and do not need a long time for rendering.

 Which is why it would be better for someone to donate their time and
 make some free as in speech fonts.
I wonder if we could share this problem with the TeX community.  Those
people might have the same problem.  Perhaps some Metafont to Truetype
converter might do the trick??? Just an idea.

Kind regards

 Andreas.




Re: MailMan Security patch for Woody Broken?

2002-08-15 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
Florent Rougon wrote:
type(dfsfsd)
   type 'str'
 
 I don't know where this 'string' comes from.

Which Python version are you using?

Python 2.1.3 (#1, Jul 29 2002, 22:34:51)
[GCC 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)] on linux2
Type copyright, credits or license for more information.
 type('foo')
type 'string'
 type(foo)
type 'string'


-- 
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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 08:34:54AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
 On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote:
 
  Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and
  learning how to make our own tt fonts?
 Font creation is kind of a science.  I'm really no expert but when I
 spend some time in TeX and Metafont some years ago I've learned that
 it needs some knowledge and skills to create good looking fonts which
 look nice in every skaling and do not need a long time for rendering.
 

I realize this, but it also takes some knowledge and skill to create a
compiler, or a web browser, or an os kernel, but we've done all
that. I'm willing to invest the time, be it months or years, to try to
create free high quality typography that is unencumbered by copyrights
and patents. 

  Which is why it would be better for someone to donate their time and
  make some free as in speech fonts.
 I wonder if we could share this problem with the TeX community.  Those
 people might have the same problem.  Perhaps some Metafont to Truetype
 converter might do the trick??? Just an idea.
 

Metafont is a program that takes it's own input language and generates
a truetype font, from what I understand. 

I've contacted some people, to see if anyone knows of any public
domain, high quality true type fonts. Also pfaedit seems like it might
be able to generate good truetype fonts, but it's hinting code needs
some work. 

My main concern at this point is that it may be infeasible to generate
high quality truetype fonts without using apple's patented truetype
instructions (which is only a small subset of instructions, but they
are commonly used in fonts). I've contacted one of the freetype
authors to ask him what he thinks about this. 


 Kind regards
 
  Andreas.
 

thank you 

  michael 

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Re: MailMan Security patch for Woody Broken?

2002-08-15 Thread David Fisher
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Zimmerman writes:


This is certainly suspicious, since all Python 'string' objects are supposed
to have a 'lower()' method, as far as I know.

But that line is one which was added in the security update.  What version
of Python are you running?  

Python 1.5.2-18.4

If you change that line to:

precedence = ''

does it fix the problem?

I'll try that and report back when I get time to, which is very scarce at the 
moment.  Thanks for your reply.



--

David





Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Which is why it would be better for someone to donate their time and
 make some free as in speech fonts.
 I wonder if we could share this problem with the TeX community.  Those
 people might have the same problem.  Perhaps some Metafont to Truetype
 converter might do the trick??? Just an idea.

Have a look at the pktrace package (upstream just renamed it:
http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/hanwen/mftrace).

For LilyPond, we had the same problem, and designed our own music
font: the feta font.  We use mftrace to convert our metafont fonts to
Type1 (pfa) fonts, needed for postscript and pdf.

Greetings,
Jan.

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Re: MailMan Security patch for Woody Broken?

2002-08-15 Thread Florent Rougon
Roland Bauerschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 type(dfsfsd)
type 'str'

[...]

 Which Python version are you using?

This was typed under 2.2, as written in my mail.

  type('foo')
 type 'string'
  type(foo)
 type 'string'

Yes, this is what you get with 2.1. But David's exception traceback
looked more like what we get from 2.2 than from 2.1 and I didn't think
he could still be using 1.5...

-- 
Florent




Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:48:06PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
 On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:01, Martin Sarsale wrote:
 
 Are there any 'opensource' font authors out
 there doing anthing interesting?
 

Some GPL TT fonts:

http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README

It also points to an application he used to create them.

J

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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:19:21AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:48:06PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
 
 Some GPL TT fonts:
 
 http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README

Forget about it. My mistake: no TT.

J

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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:19:21AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote:
  Are there any 'opensource' font authors out
  there doing anthing interesting?
 
 Some GPL TT fonts:
 
 http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README
 
 It also points to an application he used to create them.

These are not truetype fonts and do not have any anti-aliasing.  They do
not even work with Pango using the version of Xft provided in Debian.
Keith Packard's website has Xft2 somewhere I think.  Pango won't use a PCF
font without it.

What Jim's got is already packaged in Debian as xfonts-jmk.  If Jim has
TTF fonts I don't know about, I'd absolutely love to package them.  The
same goes for a utf-8 version of his existing fonts, which his website's
been promising for a couple years now.  ;)

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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Krzysztof Krzyzaniak
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:30AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
[..]
 I've contacted some people, to see if anyone knows of any public
 domain, high quality true type fonts. Also pfaedit seems like it might
 be able to generate good truetype fonts, but it's hinting code needs
 some work. 

There are some GPL truetype fonts http://www.gust.org.pl/fonty/index.html
(page in Polish): Quasi Courier, Quasi Swiss and Quasi Swiss Condensed,
Quasi Times, Quasi Bookman, Quasi Palatino and Quasi Chancery. They are
taken mostly from Ghostscript distribution and converted to ttf. But these
fonts need to be convert to WGL (or unicode) charsets.

  eloy
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 W ogle brak akcji jest. Nic si nie dzieje.




Re: intel's Linux compiler w/ Debian

2002-08-15 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 10:31:47AM -0500, Drew Scott Daniels wrote:
 I think it's worth supporting as an interesting program. It might produce
 faster binaries, it might produce smaller binaries (usually both go hand
 in hand, but not always)

I'd just like to chime in on this. I actually suffered the humiliation
of trying to install the Intel compiler out of morbid curiosity today.
I was hoping to get smaller binaries from it (not that I'd just it,
but just to confirm that gcc has room for improvement ;) ). However, I
couldn't seem to find any combination of flags that would reduce the
stripped binary size to significantly below 2x the gcc -Os output. The
compiler seems to be geared towards C++, and it links in its C++ and
runtime libraries to whatever you compile with it.

It's worth noting that this probably means that anything you compile
with icc contains proprietary code. This is a much more serious
problem than icc's own proprietary nature. I can't say that I've
looked up the license that these libraries are under, but for some
reason I doubt it's DFSG-free.


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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:30AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
 My main concern at this point is that it may be infeasible to generate
 high quality truetype fonts without using apple's patented truetype
 instructions (which is only a small subset of instructions, but they
 are commonly used in fonts). I've contacted one of the freetype
 authors to ask him what he thinks about this. 

As far as I can tell, it's the rendering which is patented, not the
font information.  So you can create TT fonts with the hinting information,
and for example freetype2 can use it if you enable the bytecode interpreter.
Otherwise it will use its auto-hinter to generate plausible output.
You might want to boycott the patented features, though, and design the
fonts so that they will (only?) render nicely using the autohinter.

As an alternative, would it be acceptable to simply point at Apple and
laugh at their silly patents?  I've been looking at one of them
(US patent 5,155,805), and it's a patent on basic math.  You take a point
and two vectors, project one vector on the other, and add it to the point.
That's ALL.  But if the point is part of a glyph outline, then this
operation is Intelecutal Prupperty of Apple.

(For reference, the USPTO patent search engine is at
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
Unfortunately, it doesn't generate useful urls for individual patents.)

-- 
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I sense a disturbance in the force
As though millions of voices cried out, and ran apt-get.
  (Anthony Towns about the Debian 3.0 release)




Sandboxing Debian [was: Re: chroot administration]

2002-08-15 Thread Sam Vilain
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/miscprj/s_context.hc
 Is someone going to package this for Debian?

One person has announced that he is going to try on the list, though
they are not an official debian developer.  I have made a package, too,
and will make it available soon.

 There are some limitations with it.  The biggest limitation when
 compared to my SE Linux work is it's lack of flexibility.  I can
 setup a SE Linux chroot, then do a bind mount of /home/www, and
 grant read-only access to the files and directories of user_home_t
 and search access to directories of type user_home_dir_t.

This stuff is accomplished through file immutability and Linux
capabilities.  It's not as flexible as the system you're describing
sounds, but it does work with standard Linux filesystem features and
represents a smaller departure from UNIX conventions.

 The advantage of the security contexts system described on that
 web page is a comprehensive solution to the IP address issue (I've
 got a design but no working code so far).  I don't expect to ever
 get a solution that works as well as their solution unless/until new
 features are added to SE Linux.

It's not perfect, though - due to a shocking case of C programmer's
disease.

One big problem is what to do with the `localhost' interface.
Currently, you can't have a guaranteed private interface and expect
applications to work.

This is because the IP jailing works by intercepting the `bind' call,
and remapping binds to 0.0.0.0 to the first IP address listed in our
`ip chroot', as well as binds to 127.0.0.1.

I tried adding an extra IP address - 127.0.0.X - to the IP chroot and
defining that as `localhost' in /etc/hosts, and eventually after
finding that SSH local port forwarding (to pick on an application for
which it didn't work) was always trying to bind to 127.0.0.1, I found
this gem in glibc:

/* Network number for local host loopback.  */
#define IN_LOOPBACKNET  127
/* Address to loopback in software to local host.  */
#ifndef INADDR_LOOPBACK
# define INADDR_LOOPBACK((in_addr_t) 0x7f01) /* Inet 127.0.0.1.  */
#endif

so the getaddrinfo() call will always return 127.0.0.1 for the local
host.  Which is a bit of an arse really, but I think I'd probably just
get laughed at or ignored if I logged a bug against it.

But if you don't mind `localhost' being the same as your external IP
address there's no problem.




wanted sponsor for guardian package

2002-08-15 Thread Dmitry Glushenok
Hello!

i want to get some experiance with debian developing and searching for
developer who have a time to check package. package is guardian for
snort (a lightweight intrustion detection system). 
guardian watches the output from snort and uses ipchains or iptables to block 
attacker.

--
regards,
  Dmitry




Bug#156773: ITP: gkrellmitime -- internet time plugin for gkrellm

2002-08-15 Thread Juan Manuel García Molina
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-15
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: gkrellmitime
  Version : 0.5
  Upstream Author : Eric Bianchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://eric.bianchi.free.fr/gkrellm/
* License : GPL
  Description : internet time plugin for gkrellm

 Gkrellm Itime is the internet time plugin for Gkrellm.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux azuaga 2.4.19 #1 mié ago 14 00:57:24 CEST 2002 i686
Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignored: LC_ALL set)

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Re: Sandboxing Debian [was: Re: chroot administration]

2002-08-15 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:50, Sam Vilain wrote:
  There are some limitations with it.  The biggest limitation when
  compared to my SE Linux work is it's lack of flexibility.  I can
  setup a SE Linux chroot, then do a bind mount of /home/www, and
  grant read-only access to the files and directories of user_home_t
  and search access to directories of type user_home_dir_t.

 This stuff is accomplished through file immutability and Linux
 capabilities.  It's not as flexible as the system you're describing
 sounds, but it does work with standard Linux filesystem features and
 represents a smaller departure from UNIX conventions.

True.

 I tried adding an extra IP address - 127.0.0.X - to the IP chroot and
 defining that as `localhost' in /etc/hosts, and eventually after
 finding that SSH local port forwarding (to pick on an application for
 which it didn't work) was always trying to bind to 127.0.0.1, I found
 this gem in glibc:

 /* Network number for local host loopback.  */
 #define   IN_LOOPBACKNET  127
 /* Address to loopback in software to local host.  */
 #ifndef INADDR_LOOPBACK
 # define INADDR_LOOPBACK  ((in_addr_t) 0x7f01) /* Inet 127.0.0.1.  */
 #endif

 so the getaddrinfo() call will always return 127.0.0.1 for the local
 host.  Which is a bit of an arse really, but I think I'd probably just
 get laughed at or ignored if I logged a bug against it.

I think you should file a bug report.

/etc/hosts contains an entry for localhost on every system.

What is the point of this if glibc is to do it?

If glibc wants to fudge in a value AFTER checking /etc/hosts and finding no 
match then that would be OK.  But doing it unconditionally is wrong.

Of course you probably will get laughed at or ignored, but I think that many 
people will agree with you, so you should file the bug report.

-- 
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If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your
address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the
From field.




Re: g++ 3.2 on woody ?

2002-08-15 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
 Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  We should count ourselves lucky that we don't have stable releases using
  each of the GCC 2.9x, 3.0, and 3.1 ABIs.

 Does anyone have thoughts on a Debian-wide migration towards GCC 3.2?
 (Or, for that matter, towards *anything* in the 3.x line).  g++ 3.2 is
 a superb compiler, much more standards conformant, less bugs and all
 arround something you'd like to have.  The problem is that all our C++
 libraries are compiled using 2.95.x (on i386 at least) and that
 precludes using g++ 3.2 for development.  To make things more
 interesting, some people are already releasing code which makes 2.95.4
 choke.

 Uhm... I'm extremely confused now... I wanted to count the number of
 affected packages, but then I noticed:

$ dpkg -s libgtkmm1.3-11 | grep ^Depends
Depends: libatk1.0-0 (= 1.0.2), libc6 (= 2.2.4-4), libglib2.0-0 (= 2.0.4), 
libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.0.5), libpango1.0-0 (= 1.0.3), libsigc++-1.1-4

 My guess is that that's a C++ library being linked with gcc instead of
 g++.

 Ignoring that for the moment, I have:

$ grep-available -s Package -F Depends libstdc++ | wc -l
823

 So, we are talking about 1000 packages, give or take a hundred.

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Re: wanted sponsor for guardian package

2002-08-15 Thread Marcel Kolaja
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:52:39PM +0400, Dmitry Glushenok wrote:

 i want to get some experiance with debian developing and searching for
 developer who have a time to check package. package is guardian for
 snort (a lightweight intrustion detection system). 
 guardian watches the output from snort and uses ipchains or iptables to
 block attacker.

Reading this reminds me I am looking for sponsor too. I am working on
similar system called iblockd
(http://nlp.fi.muni.cz/~xkolaja/debian/iblockd/). I am registered on
http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/sponsor/ too.

   Dmitry


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Re: RFD: Architecture field being retarded? [was: How to specify architectures *not* to be built?]

2002-08-15 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 04:30:01PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
 This proposal would also allow, say bochs, to provide i386 too (although
 I think more work might be needed here).

This would be stretching it, but if bochs can run them transparently, maybe.
In particular, you would need a good scoring/hint/feature system if running
the i386 version is in any way worse than a native recompile, which it is,
because bochs is slow.  I think that doing something like this is
theoretically with possible with my proposed scheme, but likely impractical
for Debian to attempt.

 Just one very minor criticism: It would be nice if you could somehow
 depend on a particular kernel version, eg 2.4.x or greater.

I actually mention that this is possible in the text, my example is a
versioned dependency on the linux 2.2 proc fs interface.

 Consider
 libc6 for instance, it only works now with new kernel versions. However
 that is probably another can of worms that I don't want to get into
 here.

The main problem with this is that you can change the kernel you use to
boot, if you have several installed.  In fact, the kernel is often managed
outside the packaging system.  However, runtime configuration is not part of
the current packaging system, nor did I consider it in my proposal.

Thanks,
Marcus

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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:28:48PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
 Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and
 learning how to make our own tt fonts?

A good font is a work of art. Your suggestion can be paraphrased, how
about just starting a project and learning how to make our own sistine
chapel? You can certainly learn the mechanics, but to make a truely
good font you need a talent for making fonts.

-- 
Mike Stone




Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and
 learning how to make our own tt fonts?

 A good font is a work of art. Your suggestion can be paraphrased, how
 about just starting a project and learning how to make our own sistine
 chapel? You can certainly learn the mechanics, but to make a truely
 good font you need a talent for making fonts.

You won't find out if there's good enough talent hiding inside you
until you try and learn and try again.  The first glyphs you'll do (or
the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap.  But you certainly won't
produce a fine font if you give up before trying.

Jan.

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Re: g++ 3.2 on woody ?

2002-08-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:12:41 -0500, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
  Does anyone have thoughts on a Debian-wide migration towards GCC 3.2?
  (Or, for that matter, towards *anything* in the 3.x line).

The upcoming ABI change from 3.1 to 3.2 is the reason we've not switched to
3.1 as the Debian-wide default compiler. I don't follow
debian-{gcc,toolchain} in detail, but it is my impression from those lists
that there is a concensus among the toolchain maintainers to switch to gcc
3.2 as the Debian-wide default compiler in sarge as soon as possible.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: wanted sponsor for guardian package

2002-08-15 Thread rene . engelhard
Hi Dimitry,

Dimitry Glushenok wrote:
 i want to get some experiance with debian developing and searching for
 developer who have a time to check package. package is guardian for
 snort (a lightweight intrustion detection system). 
 guardian watches the output from snort and uses ipchains or iptables to
 block attacker.

You probably want point us to a location where we can get the source
packages you have prepared.

Without these we can not help much.

Regards,

Rene




Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:08AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
AT I wonder if we could share this problem with the TeX community.
AT Those people might have the same problem.  Perhaps some Metafont to
AT Truetype converter might do the trick??? Just an idea.
 MC I've contacted some people, to see if anyone knows of any public
 MC domain, high quality true type fonts. Also pfaedit seems like it
 MC might be able to generate good truetype fonts, but it's hinting
 MC code needs some work. 

Actually, I don't see why we should use TrueType fonts instead of Type1
fonts. There is a set of excellent Type1 fonts from URW included in
gsfonts package under GPL; there is an extension of these fonts with
Cyrillic glyphs by Valek Filippov (ftp://ftp.gnome.ru/fonts/urw/README),
also under GPL, and soon to be included into gsfonts; Valek also said
that he successfully converted URW fonts to TrueType, using pfaedit btw.

Can someone explain what is the problem with switching to Type1
altogether?

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Re: MailMan Security patch for Woody Broken?

2002-08-15 Thread Burjn Gbor
On 2002-08-14 (Wed) 11:23 David Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Aug 14 18:48:03 2002 qrunner(1300): AttributeError : 'string' object
 has no attribute 'lower'

 Is anyone else having trouble since the new version was released?

Yes, my colleague ran into the same problem.  He figured out that
recent mailman fix uses Python 2.x features.

See bug #156642 for details.

Gbor




Re: wanted sponsor for guardian package

2002-08-15 Thread Dmitry Glushenok
Hi Rene,

there is sources: ftp://ftp.rasko.ru/pub/debian/guardian/
(guardian-1.6.0)

now version 1.7 available and i debianize it as soon as possible


On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:39:04PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Dimitry,
 
 Dimitry Glushenok wrote:
  i want to get some experiance with debian developing and searching for
  developer who have a time to check package. package is guardian for
  snort (a lightweight intrustion detection system). 
  guardian watches the output from snort and uses ipchains or iptables to
  block attacker.
 
 You probably want point us to a location where we can get the source
 packages you have prepared.
 
 Without these we can not help much.
 
 Regards,
 
 Rene
 

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Re: wanted sponsor for guardian package

2002-08-15 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
 Dmitry == Dmitry Glushenok [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dmitry Hello!  i want to get some experiance with debian
Dmitry developing and searching for developer who have a time to
Dmitry check package. package is guardian for snort (a
Dmitry lightweight intrustion detection system).  guardian
Dmitry watches the output from snort and uses ipchains or
Dmitry iptables to block attacker.

I can have a look at it. Just remember that I should have installed
this package a couple of months ago, but since it didn't exists as
a Debian GNU/Linux package, I forgot about it :)
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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:36:42PM +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:
 Actually, I don't see why we should use TrueType fonts instead of Type1
 fonts. There is a set of excellent Type1 fonts from URW included in
 gsfonts package under GPL; there is an extension of these fonts with
 Cyrillic glyphs by Valek Filippov (ftp://ftp.gnome.ru/fonts/urw/README),
 also under GPL, and soon to be included into gsfonts; Valek also said
 that he successfully converted URW fonts to TrueType, using pfaedit btw.

But the pfaedit docs say that PfaEdit will degrade the appearance of most
truetype fonts with the exception being those that are not hinted at all.

 Can someone explain what is the problem with switching to Type1
 altogether?

Portability.

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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Miros/law Baran
15.08.2002 pisze Ben Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

  Can someone explain what is the problem with switching to Type1
  altogether?

 Portability.

Portability and the quality of the Type1 rasterizer in X, I'd say.

Jubal

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Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Dustin Mofos
Hello all,

Thanks everyone for the advice on what license to
release my font under.  I looked at all the options
and decided to just go with the standard GPL.  

I have spent a lot of time on this font and it is
nearly done.  it is a pretty standard sans-serif set,
including all the accent and special characters.  I
embedded bitmaps for all the smaller point sizes, so
it should look, more or less, flawless onscreen.  If
anyone would like to bang on it some, and give me
feedback I would be greatful. I haven't done the whole
family yet (no italics, bold, bold italics) I wanted
to make sure everything works perfect before I start
on those.  I haven't tested it on Linux yet , so I am
interested to know if there are any problems.  

Download the font here:
http://www.cheapskatefonts.com/fonts/Dustismo.zip

thanks,
Dustin Norlander


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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:47:21AM -0700, Dustin Mofos wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 Thanks everyone for the advice on what license to
 release my font under.  I looked at all the options
 and decided to just go with the standard GPL.  

Great!

Do you have any example of the font on your web page? I have no TT
support here...

J

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Re: MailMan Security patch for Woody Broken?

2002-08-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:57:33PM +0200, Florent Rougon wrote:

 I can't look at mailman right now, but some observations that might
 help:
 
 - with python 2.1:
 
'barstring'.foo()
   Traceback (most recent call last):
 File stdin, line 1, in ?
   AttributeError: foo
 
 - with python 2.2
 
barstring.foo()
   Traceback (most recent call last):
 File stdin, line 1, in ?
   AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'foo'
 
   which is closer to the David's error message, *but* has 'str' instead
   of 'string'. BTW:
 
type(dfsfsd)
   type 'str'
 
 I don't know where this 'string' comes from.

Python 1.5.2 (#0, Jan 13 2002, 13:19:04)  [GCC 2.95.4 20011223 (Debian 
prerelease)] on linux2
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
 ''.lower()
Traceback (innermost last):
  File stdin, line 1, in ?
AttributeError: 'string' object has no attribute 'lower'

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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:47:21AM -0700, Dustin Mofos wrote:
 Download the font here:
 http://www.cheapskatefonts.com/fonts/Dustismo.zip

Hm.  I tried dropping it in as a replacement for tuxpaint's current font
(simply by renaming the fonts in /usr/share/tuxpaint/fonts out of the way
and copying Dustismo.ttf to the names expected by tuxpaint) and I get
nothing but empty characters.  I am able to view the font with gfontview,
however.  I wonder what could be wrong?  Tuxpaint uses libSDL-ttf, which,
in turn, uses libttf.  Gfontview uses libttf as well.  Perhaps an SDL issue?

Ben
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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:09:35PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
 You won't find out if there's good enough talent hiding inside you
 until you try and learn and try again.  The first glyphs you'll do (or
 the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap.  But you certainly won't
 produce a fine font if you give up before trying.

Fine, try it. But that's not the sort of thing you need a project for,
and it's not the sort of thing you can rail against a bunch of software
developers for not doing.

-- 
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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:15:30AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
 BA But the pfaedit docs say that PfaEdit will degrade the appearance
 BA of most truetype fonts with the exception being those that are not
 BA hinted at all.

Aha, that is why Valek had to manually adjust hinting. Well, this means
that pfaedit developers need our help to solve this problem, doesn't it?

DB Can someone explain what is the problem with switching to Type1
DB altogether?
 BA Portability.

Can you elaborate? Which of Debian-supported platforms to not have Type1
fonts support, and why?

As for quality of X Type1 rasterizer, I believe that it is a temporary
problem. At least one Type1 renderer, gv, has no problems with visual
quality, so this is not a fundamental flaw, just another challenge.

-- 
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Re: chroot administration

2002-08-15 Thread John Hasler
Russell Coker writes:
 If software can't be freely used for any purpose then it can't be
 released under the GPL.  The NSA assert that they have the right to
 release under the GPL and that therefore the patent issues have been
 dealt with.

Was the work done by NSA employees?  If so it can be treated as if it were
in the public domain no matter what license NSA attaches to it (that's NSAs
work in isolation, of course, not the modified kernel as a whole).  As for
the Section 7 issue, note that a court judgement or allegation of
infringement must 'impose conditions'.  Has this happened?  If so the other
kernel authors may have grounds to sue to stop distribution by whomever the
connditions have been imposed upon.

 If the SCC directly challenge this then they will immediately face the
 DoJ.

SCC can sue you for infringing their patent without sueing NSA, no matter
what licensing arrangement you have with NSA.  The copyright is irrelevant
to the patents.  That is what I meant by 'orthogonal'.

IMHO until SCC actually initiates legal action their is no GPL violation.
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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:39:13PM +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:
  BA Portability.
 
 Can you elaborate? Which of Debian-supported platforms to not have Type1
 fonts support, and why?

You are focusing on the wrong problem.  Application designers choose
TrueType for portability.  SDL applications, for instance, may use
libSDL-ttf to display TrueType fonts.  We do not need to support platforms
that don't have Type1 fonts.  However, we do need to support applications
written with support for platforms that don't have Type1 fonts.

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Re: chroot administration

2002-08-15 Thread Shaya Potter
On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 11:02, John Hasler wrote:
 Russell Coker writes:
  If software can't be freely used for any purpose then it can't be
  released under the GPL.  The NSA assert that they have the right to
  release under the GPL and that therefore the patent issues have been
  dealt with.
 
 Was the work done by NSA employees?  If so it can be treated as if it were
 in the public domain no matter what license NSA attaches to it (that's NSAs
 work in isolation, of course, not the modified kernel as a whole).  As for
 the Section 7 issue, note that a court judgement or allegation of
 infringement must 'impose conditions'.  Has this happened?  If so the other
 kernel authors may have grounds to sue to stop distribution by whomever the
 connditions have been imposed upon.

not 100% sure about that.  At least when I worked at NRL, I thought it
created this murky situation of public domain for us citizens (or in
US not sure which) but not for anyone else.  maybe I didnt understand it
correctly.





Re: chroot administration

2002-08-15 Thread John Hasler
Shaya Potter writes:
 At least when I worked at NRL, I thought it created this murky situation
 of public domain for us citizens (or in US not sure which) but not for
 anyone else.

In the US works of the US government are public domain for everyone.
However, it might be able to obtain and enforce copyrights in the
jurisdictions of other governments.
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Re: MailMan Security patch for Woody Broken?

2002-08-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:13:37PM +1000, David Fisher wrote:

 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Zimmerman writes:
 
 precedence = ''
 
 does it fix the problem?
 
 I'll try that and report back when I get time to, which is very scarce at the 
 moment.  Thanks for your reply.

If that is the only issue, then it is a simple matter to prepare fixed
packages which use string.lower('string') rather than 'string'.lower(),
which should work with both python 1.5 and python 2.x.  Please let me know
as soon as you are able to test this.

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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:47:21AM -0700, Dustin Mofos wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 Thanks everyone for the advice on what license to
 release my font under.  I looked at all the options
 and decided to just go with the standard GPL.  
 
 I have spent a lot of time on this font and it is
 nearly done.  it is a pretty standard sans-serif set,
 including all the accent and special characters.  I
   ^^
   that sounds impressive :-)

 embedded bitmaps for all the smaller point sizes, so
 it should look, more or less, flawless onscreen.  If
 anyone would like to bang on it some, and give me
 feedback I would be greatful. I haven't done the whole
 family yet (no italics, bold, bold italics) I wanted
 to make sure everything works perfect before I start
 on those.  I haven't tested it on Linux yet , so I am
 interested to know if there are any problems.  
 

well, many of those characters with accents do not work
e.g. your font is completely unsuitable for displaying
Slovak texts (in particular,  are all missing. As
well as many other letters with ogonek and circumflex)
Also cyrillic and Greek seems to be bolder than latin part

For a good page to see this, go to:
http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/multilingual1.html

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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 until you try and learn and try again.  The first glyphs you'll do (or
 the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap.  But you certainly won't
 produce a fine font if you give up before trying.

 Fine, try it.

I am trying, only with a music font, as a required side project for
LilyPond.  I'll leave text fonts to people writing text based
applications, for now.

 But that's not the sort of thing you need a project for,

FWIW, it has helped me a lot not doing this all by myself.  If it
weren't for others in the project (encouraging, criticizing, fun) I'd
long given up.

 and it's not the sort of thing you can rail against a bunch of software
 developers for not doing.

Well, who else is there?  Some software developers are rather clever,
critical and eager to learn.  If you write a Free Software application
that needs to display text, but you omit a good font, it's useless.

Jan.

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Re: chroot administration

2002-08-15 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:38, John Hasler wrote:
 Shaya Potter writes:
  At least when I worked at NRL, I thought it created this murky situation
  of public domain for us citizens (or in US not sure which) but not for
  anyone else.

 In the US works of the US government are public domain for everyone.
 However, it might be able to obtain and enforce copyrights in the
 jurisdictions of other governments.

I don't think that it is possible for them to get a copyright in another 
jurisdiction without getting one in their own.  As the US government is 
prohibited from owning copyright they definately can't get a copyright in 
their own jurisdiction, and possibly can't apply for one in another 
jurisdiction (depending on interpretation).

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:02, John Hasler wrote:
 Russell Coker writes:
  If software can't be freely used for any purpose then it can't be
  released under the GPL.  The NSA assert that they have the right to
  release under the GPL and that therefore the patent issues have been
  dealt with.

 Was the work done by NSA employees?  If so it can be treated as if it were
 in the public domain no matter what license NSA attaches to it (that's NSAs
 work in isolation, of course, not the modified kernel as a whole).  As for
 the Section 7 issue, note that a court judgement or allegation of
 infringement must 'impose conditions'.  Has this happened?  If so the other
 kernel authors may have grounds to sue to stop distribution by whomever the
 connditions have been imposed upon.

The NSA paid a sum of money (rumored to be $2M) to SCC to write a Linux 
kernel patch to be distributed under the GPL which implements their patents.

The issue is that SCC was paid to write code for GPL release.  Claiming 
otherwise would probably be a breach of their contract with the NSA...

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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Dustin Mofos
Sorry, what I think of as a full character set is
defineatly not what someone else might think of as a
full set (I only have experience with english text).. 
As far as the characters you mentioned specifically
they should be there,  in fact I can see them using
Dustismo right now (except for  which I have no idea
what they are).  Thanks much for the link,  I can see
now that I am missing a great deal of characters.

 Also cyrillic and Greek seems to be bolder than
 latin part

Could you explain this further?  possible send me a
screenshot of what you are seeing?

thanks
Dustin

--- Radovan Garabik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:47:21AM -0700, Dustin
 Mofos wrote:
  Hello all,
  
  Thanks everyone for the advice on what license to
  release my font under.  I looked at all the
 options
  and decided to just go with the standard GPL.  
  
  I have spent a lot of time on this font and it is
  nearly done.  it is a pretty standard sans-serif
 set,
  including all the accent and special characters. 
 I
^^
  that sounds impressive :-)
 
  embedded bitmaps for all the smaller point sizes,
 so
  it should look, more or less, flawless onscreen. 
 If
  anyone would like to bang on it some, and give me
  feedback I would be greatful. I haven't done the
 whole
  family yet (no italics, bold, bold italics) I
 wanted
  to make sure everything works perfect before I
 start
  on those.  I haven't tested it on Linux yet , so I
 am
  interested to know if there are any problems.  
  
 
 well, many of those characters with accents do not
 work
 e.g. your font is completely unsuitable for
 displaying
 Slovak texts (in particular, čťďľňěř are all
 missing. As
 well as many other letters wioth gonek and
 circumflex)
 Also cyrillic and Greek seems to be bolder than
 latin part
 
 For a good page to see this, go to:

http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/multilingual1.html
 
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Re: Next Debconf

2002-08-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Andreas Tille 

| So I would suggest when the organizers of Debconf2 and some people from
| Skandinavia would agree to organize a conference those to parties should
| find an agreement where to meet in 2003 and where in 2004.

since nobody else has taken up the thread:

I am planning Debconf 3 to be held in Oslo, from Friday July 18th to
Sunday July 20th.

Joeyh hess mentioned a good idea in the DebConf2 post-mortem thread:

: What I wouldn't mind seeing is 2 or 3 days either before or after
: the next one that lack talks and are just there for ad-hoc
: discussion and face time and hacking. It was nice to have the talks
: but I really went for the other 3 items. Call it 'debcamp' or
: something. Extra organizational overhead should be near-zero; the
: people who stay on for debcamp just use the same facilities as does
: the conference.

Since this will be the weekend after cofsino (Conference on Free
Software in Norway), I'll try to get a debcamp thingy before DebConf.
Hopefully it can be a full week, but I guess people can show up in the
middle of the week if they'd like to.

Please don't ask for a lot of details yet -- things are still
forming.  I'll post stuff on d-d-a when they are ripe.

If you want to hold a presentation, don't hesitate to contact me.

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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Alan Shutko
Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If you write a Free Software application that needs to display text,
 but you omit a good font, it's useless.

So all text editors should come with their own font?!

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Re: chroot administration

2002-08-15 Thread John Hasler
Russell Coker writes:
 As the US government is prohibited from owning copyright they definately
 can't get a copyright in their own jurisdiction,...

The US government definitely is allowed to own copyrights.  The restriction
is on _enforcing_ their copyrights on works of which they are author.

 ...and possibly can't apply for one in another jurisdiction (depending on
 interpretation).

And on the jurisdiction.

 The NSA paid a sum of money (rumored to be $2M) to SCC to write a Linux
 kernel patch to be distributed under the GPL which implements their
 patents.

Then most likely either SCC owns the copyright or they assigned it to NSA.

 The issue is that SCC was paid to write code for GPL release.  Claiming
 otherwise would probably be a breach of their contract with the NSA...

Which only NSA can enforce.  My first guess is that if SCC were to start
enforcing its patents against you then Linus et al could sue NSA to stop
distributing the patched kernel and NSA in turn could sue SCC for specific
performance.

Perhaps it would be possible to use the FOIA to get the terms of the
contract?  Maybe NSA's lawyers already thought of all this.  I think it is
perfectly legal and safe to distribute and use the patches now, but it
seems possible that SCC could start enforcing its patents at any time,
thereby stopping distribution.
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Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:57:47PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
 Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  until you try and learn and try again.  The first glyphs you'll do (or
  the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap.  But you certainly won't
  produce a fine font if you give up before trying.
 
  Fine, try it.
 
 I am trying, only with a music font, as a required side project for
 LilyPond.  I'll leave text fonts to people writing text based
 applications, for now.
 
  But that's not the sort of thing you need a project for,
 

how about just a package? I imagine that if there was a project for
free truetype fonts people would be interested. There's definitely
interest in freetype, but I think we should stop relying on
proprietary truetype fonts that don't fit the social contract and
don't make me feel warm and fuzzy. 

 FWIW, it has helped me a lot not doing this all by myself.  If it
 weren't for others in the project (encouraging, criticizing, fun) I'd
 long given up.
 
  and it's not the sort of thing you can rail against a bunch of software
  developers for not doing.
 

I'm not railing against anyone, just looking for some help on a big
job. 

 Well, who else is there?  Some software developers are rather clever,
 critical and eager to learn.  If you write a Free Software application

yes they are. and hopefully some of them will want to help. and from
what I understand, creating really high quality tt fonts means writing
your own hinting instructions into the font. who better to do this
than software developers? All we need is one person with a sense of
design, and a few people to work out the technical details. 

So it seems that there are some gpl tt fonts here,
http://www.gust.org.pl/fonty/index.html, as mentioned earlier in the
thread, but I'm not sure because I can't read this page and babelfish
doesn't do polish. Can someone confirm this?

How about if I ITP something like free-truetype and include both these
fonts, and the metatype fonts (there are two fonts they have that are
tt and gpl, but they need some work on their hinting). Then as we find
more, we can include them in the package.

Also, the Bigelow and Holmes fonts in xfree86 have a clause in their
license that they can't be modified, and I imagine that this is to
preserve their artistic integrity. Maybe we can contact them (and
consult debian-legal first) about adding a clause that they can be
modified, but only if the name is changed, or only in a patch file. If
they agree, we could add those to our growing list of free tt fonts. 

michael

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Re: Woody Install Error -- Not bootable

2002-08-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
* Stephen Depooter [Wed, Aug 14 2002, 12:27:05AM]:
 I am just installing a Woody system (bf 2.4) on a 486 DX 33 tonight and
...
 invalid compressed format (err=2)
 
 System halted

IMHO such old boxes had lots of bugs in their LBA implementation (BIOS),
so I sometimes ended up in using a DOS partition as /boot and loadlin.
Unfortunately, you loadlin breaks on large 2.4.x kernels, so you would
have to use 2.2.x. Or you can play with lilo's options (linear, compact,
lba32, see lilo.conf manpage).

 This uses the installer's rescue disk kernel which boots fine, so I
 don't know where the problem lies. I tried to get around it by using the
 rescue disk to boot and install a different kernel image however, I
 couldn't do that since the actual hard drive / is mounted as /target by
 the installer.  So. I'm not sure where to go now, any ideas?

Sure you can install another kernel. Mount root as usual with installer
(will be /target), then run kernel installation step. Go to the second
console, chroot to /target, execute lilo, exit chroot and umount /target
immediately (do NOT umount with the installer menu). Then you can
reboot.

Gruss/Regards,
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Re: Next Debconf

2002-08-15 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-15 18:20]:
 Since this will be the weekend after cofsino (Conference on Free
 Software in Norway)

URL?

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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 06:47:21AM -0700, Dustin Mofos wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 Thanks everyone for the advice on what license to
 release my font under.  I looked at all the options
 and decided to just go with the standard GPL.  
 

Great! In this thread:

Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

we have been discussing the problem of linux not having any high
quality, free as in speech, tt fonts. you're just in time!

 I have spent a lot of time on this font and it is
 nearly done.  it is a pretty standard sans-serif set,
 including all the accent and special characters.  I
 embedded bitmaps for all the smaller point sizes, so
 it should look, more or less, flawless onscreen.  If
 anyone would like to bang on it some, and give me
 feedback I would be greatful. I haven't done the whole
 family yet (no italics, bold, bold italics) I wanted
 to make sure everything works perfect before I start
 on those.  I haven't tested it on Linux yet , so I am
 interested to know if there are any problems.  
 
 Download the font here:
 http://www.cheapskatefonts.com/fonts/Dustismo.zip
 

I'll check it out asap. Have you viewed it in linux yet? Or do you
mean it looks flawless onscreen in windows?

A few questions. 

Is your font truetype? 
What did you use to make it?
Did you write your own hinting instructions? 
Would you be willing to help someone who wants to make more fonts? 
Would you be interested in making more yourself?

If noone else has offered, I'd love to package this font for inclusion
in debian, or include it a free-ttfonts package with a few other gpl
tt fonts. 

 thanks,

thank you!

 Dustin Norlander
 

michael

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Re: chroot administration

2002-08-15 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:16, John Hasler wrote:
 Russell Coker writes:
  As the US government is prohibited from owning copyright they definately
  can't get a copyright in their own jurisdiction,...

 The US government definitely is allowed to own copyrights.  The restriction
 is on _enforcing_ their copyrights on works of which they are author.

I have been told otherwise, but as I am not a lawyer I have to admit the 
possibility that I misunderstood what I was told.

Are you a lawyer?  If not then I'll disregard your statements on this matter 
because the information I received came from someone who should know.

  The NSA paid a sum of money (rumored to be $2M) to SCC to write a Linux
  kernel patch to be distributed under the GPL which implements their
  patents.

 Then most likely either SCC owns the copyright or they assigned it to NSA.

I am under the impression that perhaps the issue of copyright ownership was 
not made clear, however the issue of GPL release was.

  The issue is that SCC was paid to write code for GPL release.  Claiming
  otherwise would probably be a breach of their contract with the NSA...

 Which only NSA can enforce.  My first guess is that if SCC were to start
 enforcing its patents against you then Linus et al could sue NSA to stop
 distributing the patched kernel and NSA in turn could sue SCC for specific
 performance.

If SCC sued anybody then it would kill SE Linux, and thus waste a significant 
amount of NSA resources (I'd have to guess at least $10M has been spent on 
this).

The best way for SCC to bring trouble upon themselves would be to sue me.  I 
believe am doing more for the widespread acceptance of SE Linux than anyone 
outside the NSA.  Also if SCC wants to sue me then they have to do it in 
Amsterdam, bwahahahaha...

 Perhaps it would be possible to use the FOIA to get the terms of the
 contract?

It may be possible for someone who is a US citizen.  If someone gets a copy 
of such a contract then I wouldn't mind if it got email'd to me...  NB  I am 
specifically not requesting that someone obtain a copy of the contract for 
the purpose of giving it to me.  However if it's available I wouldn't mind a 
copy.

 Maybe NSA's lawyers already thought of all this.  I think it is
 perfectly legal and safe to distribute and use the patches now, but it
 seems possible that SCC could start enforcing its patents at any time,
 thereby stopping distribution.

True.

However there is another issue.  It is widely believed that the Chinese are 
doing some serious SE Linux work.  It would be a bit of an annoyance for the 
US government if US interests can't be protected by the NSA's software while 
Chinese interests can be.  With the current political climate in the US you 
wouldn't want to be the party responsible for giving the Chinese better 
info-sec than the US...

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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
In case Dustin doesn't pick up on this today ...

On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:32:15AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
 I'll check it out asap. Have you viewed it in linux yet?

I have viewed the font with gfontview.  It looks OK in a few sizes and not
so OK in some others.  So I'm guessing the hinting is not perfect yet
(either that, or this is a limitation of libttf's handling of the hinting
... hmm, as an aside, I wonder why gfontview uses libttf2 (Freetype 1) and
not libfreetype6 (Freetype 2)?

 Or do you
 mean it looks flawless onscreen in windows?

Dustin will have to answer that.

 Is your font truetype? 

Yes.

 If noone else has offered, I'd love to package this font for inclusion
 in debian, or include it a free-ttfonts package with a few other gpl
 tt fonts. 

I question the name free-ttfonts.  The convention seems to be:

ttf[-foundryname]-fontorfamilyname

I don't see any value in the designation 'free'.  Of course everything in
Debian main is free.  I also don't see any point in bundling fonts from
different sources.  So why not simply ttf-dustismo?

Ben
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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:24:02PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
  If noone else has offered, I'd love to package this font for inclusion
  in debian, or include it a free-ttfonts package with a few other gpl
  tt fonts. 
 
 I question the name free-ttfonts.  The convention seems to be:
 
 ttf[-foundryname]-fontorfamilyname
 
 I don't see any value in the designation 'free'.  Of course everything in
 Debian main is free.  I also don't see any point in bundling fonts from
 different sources.  So why not simply ttf-dustismo?
 

Yes, you're right about removing the free part. I simply wanted to
make a single package of truetype fonts for ease of use. I see now
that there are a number of ttf packages, but they seem to all be asian
charsets. I'm trying to create an alternative for msttcorefonts and
xfonts-scalable-nonfree packages (which do not follow the convention
you have mentioned here).

michael

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Re: Woody Install Error -- Not bootable

2002-08-15 Thread Stephen Depooter
On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 06:39, Eduard Bloch wrote:
 #include hallo.h
 * Stephen Depooter [Wed, Aug 14 2002, 12:27:05AM]:
  I am just installing a Woody system (bf 2.4) on a 486 DX 33 tonight and
 ...
  invalid compressed format (err=2)
  
  System halted
 
 IMHO such old boxes had lots of bugs in their LBA implementation (BIOS),
 so I sometimes ended up in using a DOS partition as /boot and loadlin.
 Unfortunately, you loadlin breaks on large 2.4.x kernels, so you would
 have to use 2.2.x. Or you can play with lilo's options (linear, compact,
 lba32, see lilo.conf manpage).
 
  This uses the installer's rescue disk kernel which boots fine, so I
  don't know where the problem lies. I tried to get around it by using the
  rescue disk to boot and install a different kernel image however, I
  couldn't do that since the actual hard drive / is mounted as /target by
  the installer.  So. I'm not sure where to go now, any ideas?
 
 Sure you can install another kernel. Mount root as usual with installer
 (will be /target), then run kernel installation step. Go to the second
 console, chroot to /target, execute lilo, exit chroot and umount /target
 immediately (do NOT umount with the installer menu). Then you can
 reboot.
 

Thanks for the reply.  
I ended up getting it working by booting using the installer's boot
disks and chrooting to /target and upgrading to lilo in testing and the
kernel-image-2.4.18 package.  I'm not sure if it worked because of the
slightly newer LILO or the initrd kernel package.  Lilo in woody is
1:22.2-3 while lilo in sarge is 1:22.2-5.  Anyways, it works now.

However doing that upgrade just before the make bootable step of the
boot-floppies installer seems to have screwed up the base-vonfig step
from the first boot.  It never asked me any of the questions through
debconf.  It seems to be using the noninteractive frontend. 
dpkg-reconfigure debconf has not helped in getting debconf to actually
give me the questions so if anyone can tell me where else to look to
recinfigure the debconf frontend and the priority it would be
appreciated.  

Thanks

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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 11:40:44AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
 Yes, you're right about removing the free part. I simply wanted to
 make a single package of truetype fonts for ease of use. I see now
 that there are a number of ttf packages, but they seem to all be asian
 charsets. I'm trying to create an alternative for msttcorefonts and
 xfonts-scalable-nonfree packages (which do not follow the convention
 you have mentioned here).

As for the packaging of xfonts-scalable-nonfree.  It is all from one source
distribution, unlike your proposed package.  From the package description:

... xfonts-scalable-nonfree contains a set of Type1 and TrueType fonts that
are part of the XFree86 distribution,

Likewise, msttcorefonts was a coherent collection, all from the same foundry
and distributed together.

But given that these fonts are all from different sources, they should not
all be in one package.  The proper way of doing this kind of aggregation is
to make a meta package (a package that contains nothing but dependencies on
other packages) that depends on these fonts.  Think of a suitable name that
distinguishes your aggregate from other possible packages and use the ttf-
prefix to indicate this package provides TrueType fonts.  Thus, if the
common thread is that these are all suitable for displaying latin alphabets,
then you might have ttf-latin[1].  If your collection is a personal
collection, distinct from other peoples' latin font collections, you might
call it ttf-cardenas-latin instead. :)


Ben
[1] This does not rule out the possibility that one or more font packages
included in this aggregate may also be suitable for non-latin
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list of valid distributions in Debian changelog file.

2002-08-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Hi,  What are the currently valid distribution to which we can make
uploads to?

debian-changelog-mode.el currently allows the user to set the
distribution field for an upload to multiple distributions, e.g.

xwatch (2.11-8) frozen unstable; urgency=low

The list of possibilities is currently set to:

  unstable
  frozen
  stable
  frozen unstable
  stable unstable
  stable frozen
  stable frozen unstable
  experimental

I'd like to know what I should change this to.

In particular, bug #156762 says that uploads are no longer made to
frozen but rather to testing.

Thanks,
Peter




Re: list of valid distributions in Debian changelog file.

2002-08-15 Thread Luke Seubert
On 08/15/2002 3:08 PM, Peter S Galbraith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,  What are the currently valid distribution to which we can make
 uploads to?

 The list of possibilities is currently set to:
 
 unstable
 frozen
 stable
 frozen unstable
 stable unstable
 stable frozen
 stable frozen unstable
 experimental
 

Stable unstable and stable frozen unstable?

Truly, this is worse than corporate-speak.  This is up there with good old
fashioned big government bureaucracy-speak :-)

Say it ain't so, Debian, say it ain't so.

Cheers,
Luke Seubert




Re: list of valid distributions in Debian changelog file.

2002-08-15 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
Peter S Galbraith wrote:
 Hi,  What are the currently valid distribution to which we can make
 uploads to?

Wouldn't that be unstable, woody-proposed-updates, and experimental?

Roland

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Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Dustin Mofos
 
 I have viewed the font with gfontview.  It looks OK
 in a few sizes and not
 so OK in some others.  So I'm guessing the hinting
 is not perfect yet
 (either that, or this is a limitation of libttf's
 handling of the hinting
 ... hmm, as an aside, I wonder why gfontview uses
 libttf2 (Freetype 1) and
 not libfreetype6 (Freetype 2)?


Making a perfectly hinted font is very, very diffecult
(the guy who made Times New Roman has said he spent 2+
years on the hinting alone).  I chose to embed bitmaps
for all the smaller sizes (no small chore). Is it
possible that gfontview can't handle truetype embedded
bitmaps?

 

 
  Or do you
  mean it looks flawless onscreen in windows?
 
 Dustin will have to answer that.
 


yes, I am speaking of how it looks in windows --
unfortunately I have not tested it in Linux..



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Re: MailMan Security patch for Woody Broken?

2002-08-15 Thread Florent Rougon
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Python 1.5.2 (#0, Jan 13 2002, 13:19:04)  [GCC 2.95.4 20011223 (Debian 
 prerelease)] on linux2
 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
  ''.lower()
 Traceback (innermost last):
   File stdin, line 1, in ?
 AttributeError: 'string' object has no attribute 'lower'

Good shot, but the latest mailman in woody (2.0.11-1woody2) depends on
python and python depends on python2.1 (= 2.1.3-1), so I think there is
something weird here.

I'm bringing this discussion on debian-python. Please drop debian-devel
on followups.

-- 
Florent




Re: Linux Fonts

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:22:41PM -0700, Dustin Mofos wrote:
 Making a perfectly hinted font is very, very diffecult
 (the guy who made Times New Roman has said he spent 2+
 years on the hinting alone).  I chose to embed bitmaps
 for all the smaller sizes (no small chore). Is it
 possible that gfontview can't handle truetype embedded
 bitmaps?

Ah, that could be.  Also, it could be the reason it doesn't work in
tuxpaint.  Could you please provide a version without embedded bitmaps for
testing purposes?

Thanks,
Ben
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Re: Move to python 2.2 as default release?

2002-08-15 Thread Matthias Klose
On Aug 14, Laura Creighton wrote: 
 The new Python Business Forum (www.python-in-business.com) is 

what is this? The link is dead. Is this the former PSA?

Guido van Rossum writes:
  Now, if 2.3 won't be stable until well into next year (as opposed to
  the schedule in PEP 283), then we may want to target 2.2.x as our
  default version.
 
 Which version of PEP 283 are you referring to?  It once had us release
 the final version around the end of August.  But the current version
 says his:
 
 There is currently no defined schedule.  We hope to do the final
 release before the end of 2002, but if important projects below
 are delayed, even that may be delayed.

ok, fine. hope to release ... is a bit long. I'll prepare packages
making 2.2 the default, introducing experimental 2.3 packages and drop
1.5.

 To which I should probably add that that's the schedule for 2.3.  If
 things go as they went for 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2, there will be a 2.3.1
 bugfix update 3-6 months after 2.3 is released, and that would be the
 first time I'd be comfortable calling 2.3 stable.

which is why I wanted to make 2.2 the default for woody... we have a
stable 2.2.1, which is not the default.

Matthias




Re: Move to python 2.2 as default release?

2002-08-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
 On Aug 14, Laura Creighton wrote: 
  The new Python Business Forum (www.python-in-business.com) is 
 
 what is this? The link is dead. Is this the former PSA?

Try www.python-in-business.org.  It's a Swedish non-profit created
earlier this year.

 Guido van Rossum writes:
   Now, if 2.3 won't be stable until well into next year (as opposed to
   the schedule in PEP 283), then we may want to target 2.2.x as our
   default version.
  
  Which version of PEP 283 are you referring to?  It once had us release
  the final version around the end of August.  But the current version
  says his:
  
  There is currently no defined schedule.  We hope to do the final
  release before the end of 2002, but if important projects below
  are delayed, even that may be delayed.
 
 ok, fine. hope to release ... is a bit long. I'll prepare packages
 making 2.2 the default, introducing experimental 2.3 packages and drop
 1.5.

Yeah!

  To which I should probably add that that's the schedule for 2.3.  If
  things go as they went for 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2, there will be a 2.3.1
  bugfix update 3-6 months after 2.3 is released, and that would be the
  first time I'd be comfortable calling 2.3 stable.
 
 which is why I wanted to make 2.2 the default for woody... we have a
 stable 2.2.1, which is not the default.

Too bad. :-(

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)




Re: list of valid distributions in Debian changelog file.

2002-08-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I wrote:

  Hi,  What are the currently valid distribution to which we can make
  uploads to?

Roland Bauerschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wouldn't that be unstable, woody-proposed-updates, and experimental?

Possibly.  That's why I'm asking. ;-)
I would have assumed stable-proposed-updates to be used, but that
doesn't appear to be the case.

Greeping through auric:/org/ftp.debian.org/incoming/DONE, I found:

 unstable
 testing
 stable
 woody-proposed-updates
 testing-security
 stable-security

And I assume it's next to impossible to make a single upload to multiple
distributions like we used to, so I can remove that old feature from
debian-changelog-mode.el, right?

Thanks much,
Peter





Re: Woody Install Error -- Not bootable

2002-08-15 Thread Paul Cupis
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On Thursday 15 August 2002 19:48, Stephen Depooter wrote:

[snip]

 debconf.  It seems to be using the noninteractive frontend.
 dpkg-reconfigure debconf has not helped in getting debconf to actually
 give me the questions so if anyone can tell me where else to look to
 recinfigure the debconf frontend and the priority it would be
 appreciated.

  dpkg-reconfigure debconf -plow

This will make debconf ask you its questions.

Paul Cupis
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Re: list of valid distributions in Debian changelog file.

2002-08-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:08:27PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
 Hi,  What are the currently valid distribution to which we can make
 uploads to?

Have a look in bug #150466, on lintian. One of the ftpmasters is quoted
giving a list there.

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: MailMan Security patch for Woody Broken?

2002-08-15 Thread David Fisher
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Zimmerman writes:


If that is the only issue, then it is a simple matter to prepare fixed
packages which use string.lower('string') rather than 'string'.lower(),
which should work with both python 1.5 and python 2.x.  Please let me know
as soon as you are able to test this.



Unfortunately I will be away from home all next week.  I will not be able to 
look at this again till the week after next (commencing 26/8/2002).

I will contact you then.

--

David





Bug#156849: ITP: synergy -- Share mouse and keyboard over the network

2002-08-15 Thread Daniel Lutz
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-16
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: synergy
  Version : 0.9.8
  Upstream Author : Chris Schoeneman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
* License : GPL
  Description : Share mouse and keyboard over the network

Synergy lets you easily share a single mouse and keyboard between
multiple computers with different operating systems, each with its
own display, without special hardware.  It's intended for users
with multiple computers on their desk since each system uses its
own display.


-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux asterix 2.4.17 #1 Thu Jun 6 11:40:31 CEST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=English, LC_CTYPE=de_CH (ignored: LC_ALL set)

-- no debconf information




Bug#156852: ITP: ttf-dustismo -- general purpose gpl'ed truetype sans serif font

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-15
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: ttf-dustismo
  Version : 1.0
  Upstream Author : Dustin Mofos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.cheapskatefonts.com
* License : GPL
  Description : general purpose gpl'ed truetype sans serif font

  Dustismo is a sans serif TrueType font that is licensed under the GPL.
  You will need xfs-xtt to view this font properly. It is suitable for
  daily use.  

-- System Information
Debian Release: 3.0
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux rilke 2.4.19 #3 SMP Fri Aug 9 23:00:09 PDT 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=







Re: Bug#156852: ITP: ttf-dustismo -- general purpose gpl'ed truetype sans serif font

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
I proposed this on debian-devel, but Ben disagreed. 

I would be more than happy to create a truetype fonts package to
replace the nonfree xfree86-scalable package and the recently defunct
msttcorefonts. This was my original intent. Ben suggested that I make
a package for each foundry, and then a virtual package that includes
all of them. If Dustin agrees to gpl the rest of his fonts, I'll just
make a ttf-cheapskate package. 

I didn't ITP the virtual package yet because I haven't located any
other gpl'ed tt fonts. I do have a list of original font authors
though, and I plan to write to some of them tonight. 

Also, there's a project at metatype.sourceforge.net that has a gpl'ed,
but incomplete, tt font based on D.Knuth's Computer Modern font. I
plan to include that one, but I was waiting to hear from the author
first. I emailed him last night and haven't received a response yet. 

thanks

  michael

On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 01:24:39AM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
 Hi Michael!
 
 You wrote:
 
Dustismo is a sans serif TrueType font that is licensed under the GPL.
You will need xfs-xtt to view this font properly. It is suitable for
daily use.  
 
 Couldn't we, instead of packaging each font seperately, rather compile a
 nice set of free truetype fonts in one package?
 

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Re: list of valid distributions in Debian changelog file.

2002-08-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:08:27PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
  Hi,  What are the currently valid distribution to which we can make
  uploads to?
 
 Have a look in bug #150466, on lintian. One of the ftpmasters is quoted
 giving a list there.

I am in your debt!  Many thanks!

Peter




Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
 As for quality of X Type1 rasterizer, I believe that it is a temporary
 problem. At least one Type1 renderer, gv, has no problems with visual
 quality, so this is not a fundamental flaw, just another challenge.

To get the quality, gv uses antialiasing, doesn't it?
But X core protocol doesn't support antialiasing. RENDER extension does, 
but not all applications support RENDER.




Re: Bug#156852: ITP: ttf-dustismo -- general purpose gpl'ed truetype sans serif font

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 04:35:01PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
 Ben suggested that I make
 a package for each foundry, and then a virtual package that includes
 all of them. If Dustin agrees to gpl the rest of his fonts, I'll just
 make a ttf-cheapskate package.

Meta package.  A virtual package is something quite different.  It is not a
package itself, but rather a package name, named in the Provides: control
field, thus emacs21 and emacs20 both have Provides of the virutal package
emacsen.  A meta package, on the other hand, is a real package that has
nothing but control information in it, usually Depends: so when you
install the meta package it causes a group of other packages to be
installed.

If I gave the impression that the grouping should be by foundry, that is not
what I meant.  I think I mentioned that the foundry may be present in the
name of each actual font package, but that is all.  I imagined a good
grouping would be by function, i.e. fonts suitable for foo.  The grouping
I suggested was ttf-latin for a nice collection of fonts supporting latin
characters.

Ben
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Re: Acto de presencia.

2002-08-15 Thread Fermín J. Serna

Hola:

Y en el caso de que no sea adoptar un nuevo paquete, sino crear uno nuevo
no empaquetado previamente (p.e. software personal), cual seria el
procedimiento?

1) ITP
2) Buscar sponsor para que de visto bueno al paquete y lo suba al ftp

:?

Fermín J. Serna




Re: Acto de presencia.

2002-08-15 Thread Fermín J . Serna

Hola!

Gracias por la pronta respuesta... mi siguiente duda seria: que tipos de
paquetes son interesantes para debian (no conozco el caso mencal) y no
darian problemas en debian-devel?. He visto que existen paquetes con
utilidades muy simples y casi desconocidas?

En concreto, estoy haciendo pruebas sobre un IDS de red que detecta
shellcodes. Tiene una funcionalidad muy concreta, y basicamente hare un
paquetes deb para aprender a hacerlo... pero no se hasta que punto es
interesante llevarlo a la siguiente etapa o que quede para mi, como una
simple prueba .deb. X)

Fermín J. Serna aka Zhodiac

  1) ITP

 1.1) Mandar Cc: a debian-devel y ver si nadie esta en contra por lo que
 sea. Si lo estuvieran, como en el caso de mencal, aguantar el
 chaparron y creer que los usuarios lo agradeceran :-)

  2) Buscar sponsor para que de visto bueno al paquete y lo suba al ftp

 3) Mantener el paquete en buenas condiciones, cuidar sus bugs, dar
soporte cariñoso a los usuarios, en resumen actuar como si hubieras
jurado la constitucion y tuvieras cuenta en Debian ;-)

 4) Prepararse para el aluvion de fans en cuanto el paquete entre en el
repositorio :-)

 Un saludo!




Re: Acto de presencia.

2002-08-15 Thread Angel Ramos
A mi me parece muy interesante y util, asi que si te animas te puedo
esponsorizar si asi lo deseas ;).

Un saludo!!!

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: Fermín J. Serna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-devel-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Acto de presencia.



 Hola!

 Gracias por la pronta respuesta... mi siguiente duda seria: que tipos de
 paquetes son interesantes para debian (no conozco el caso mencal) y no
 darian problemas en debian-devel?. He visto que existen paquetes con
 utilidades muy simples y casi desconocidas?

 En concreto, estoy haciendo pruebas sobre un IDS de red que detecta
 shellcodes. Tiene una funcionalidad muy concreta, y basicamente hare un
 paquetes deb para aprender a hacerlo... pero no se hasta que punto es
 interesante llevarlo a la siguiente etapa o que quede para mi, como una
 simple prueba .deb. X)

 Fermín J. Serna aka Zhodiac

   1) ITP
 
  1.1) Mandar Cc: a debian-devel y ver si nadie esta en contra por lo que
  sea. Si lo estuvieran, como en el caso de mencal, aguantar el
  chaparron y creer que los usuarios lo agradeceran :-)
 
   2) Buscar sponsor para que de visto bueno al paquete y lo suba al ftp
 
  3) Mantener el paquete en buenas condiciones, cuidar sus bugs, dar
 soporte cariñoso a los usuarios, en resumen actuar como si hubieras
 jurado la constitucion y tuvieras cuenta en Debian ;-)
 
  4) Prepararse para el aluvion de fans en cuanto el paquete entre en el
 repositorio :-)
 
  Un saludo!


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Re: Acto de presencia.

2002-08-15 Thread Carlos Valdivia Yagüe
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:41:22PM +, Fermín J. Serna wrote:
 En concreto, estoy haciendo pruebas sobre un IDS de red que detecta
 shellcodes. Tiene una funcionalidad muy concreta, y basicamente hare un
 paquetes deb para aprender a hacerlo... pero no se hasta que punto es
 interesante llevarlo a la siguiente etapa o que quede para mi, como una
 simple prueba .deb. X)

Ya sé que es difícil de saber, pero ¿cuánta gente lo usa? Si es un
número ridículo o bien el programa está muy muy verde, en mi opinión no
merece la pena que entre en Debian...

Un saludo.

-- 
Carlos Valdivia Yagüe [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Acto de presencia.

2002-08-15 Thread Ruben Porras
El jue, 15-08-2002 a las 16:14, Angel Ramos escribió:
 A mi me parece muy interesante y util, asi que si te animas te puedo
 esponsorizar si asi lo deseas ;).
 

Estoy aprendiendo a programar en gtk. Estoy construyendo un programa que
permitirá configura el lilo.conf de una manera sencilla. Mis
conocimientos de programacion no son muchos (se reducen a un curso de C
de 6 meses y otro de Lisp + cosas que he mirado por mi cuenta), así que
el codigo no será muy bueno, pero creo que el programa cumplira su
cometido, y por supuesto, conforme vaya aprendiendo lo iré mejorando.

¿Es posible que un programa de estas caracteristicas se interesante?
-- 
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Our eyes adjusting to the light that was denied
And the voices ringing out now
Sing of freedom
And bring a sense of wonder

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Re: Acto de presencia.

2002-08-15 Thread Fermín J . Serna


Hola Carlos:

Evidentemente no se cuanta gente lo usa, lo que si se es que, por ejemplo
para mi es util para saber cuantos intentos hay, cada dia, de explotaciones del
Apache (chunked vulns). Cosa que el snort, no detecta con sus filtros de
deteccion de shellcodes.

Util? para mi si, sino no haria el deb X) para el 99% de la gente quiza
no.

Un pequeño log, de mi mismo intentando explotar mi propio pop3 :)
---
piscis:~# nidsfindshellcode -d eth0 -v
NIDS_shellcode 1.0 by Fermín J. Serna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Next Generation Security Technologies
http://www.ngsec.com

IA32 shellcode found: Protocol TCP piscis:1547 - blackpill:110
Dumping data:
USER [EMAIL PROTECTED]@R
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@X/..E
`^_SE.I]F..H_..ZO^.ZL'H.D.7^TGLL.F..YFWK
..?.PU.Q/J_MQJR.]DYVC'/E./DZ..^M.QM.^...
L...A.?[MCKKE^Y.^L^V.[.^?`JCUY..EPC_
...N.T.R.J.KIF..C.7DWWPTN.O.JBD.`MNI^L/M
.].?/.U].^?XK.K.I.O7.

piscis:~#


Solucion: hacer el .deb y pasarle la pelota a un debian developer para que
decida el X) Hola Angel! :)

Saludos :)

Fermín J. Serna

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Carlos Valdivia [iso-8859-15] Yagüe wrote:

 Ya sé que es difícil de saber, pero ¿cuánta gente lo usa? Si es un
 número ridículo o bien el programa está muy muy verde, en mi opinión no
 merece la pena que entre en Debian...