Re: not starting packages at boot
On 2005-01-25 Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24-Jan-05, 03:45 (CST), Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time I looked, invoke-rc.d was not yet a requirement to be used by packages. As far as I remember, it is for sarge, but not for woody and thus unuseable on woody, right? Do we already have packages that provide policy-rc.d? A quick apt-get search didn't show any. At present, the standard way to control this to edit the symlinks (or runlevel.conf, if using file-rc). This is good, because '/etc/init.d/foo start' still works. The standard for the future is invoke-rc.d. If a package doesn't support this, then the thing to do is to submit a wishlist bug for invoke-rc.d support, NOT create some new ad-hoc method. Hello, Changing symlinks to disable a service is no working solution for packages which do not use invoke-rc.d. - They'll include /etc/init.d/foo start in their postinst and will start the (disabled) service unwantedly on any upgrade. (The correct way to disable these services is to add exit 0 add the top of the initscript.) invoke-rc.d is no replacement for changing symlinks, it is a necessary piece for making changing symlinks work correctly. (Apart from that the new init-scripts support policy-rc.d which adds a another optional control level. - The only thing that makes use of this are buildds, they are just diabling any daemon starts.) cu andreas -- See, I told you they'd listen to Reason, [SPOILER] Svfurlr fnlf, fuhggvat qbja gur juveyvat tha. Neal Stephenson in Snow Crash http://downhill.aus.cc/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apply to NM? ha!
Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around. That usualy only works if you recognise them as females and can lead to quite the oposite as well sometimes. :) MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
[Norbert Preining] The last question I have (for now): - How can I install binaries for non-Debian architectures-os combinations (win32, i386-solaris, ...) USING the pacakge management system? Is there a way at all -- or is there no way for this? The real problem is *building* these binaries for non-Debian systems. Using only tools available in Debian. This, while theoretically possible in some cases, is a pretty big pain in practice. And no, it's *not* a good idea to suggest just shipping pre-built binaries in the source package. (I suppose a few of the firmware in main people might argue that the Solaris binary is not for your host CPU anyway so doesn't constitute a problem, but most of the Project would disagree.) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Dependencies on kernel-image-x.y [was: NPTL support in kernel 2.4 series]
On 20050124T180205+, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho writes, A package description is equally visible. But is it equally machine parsable? If not, is this unimportant? Machine-parsability is not useful if the semantics is misused. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Debian developer http://kaijanaho.info/antti-juhani/blog/en/debian signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
On Die, 25 Jan 2005, Peter Samuelson wrote: The last question I have (for now): - How can I install binaries for non-Debian architectures-os combinations (win32, i386-solaris, ...) USING the pacakge management system? Is there a way at all -- or is there no way for this? The real problem is *building* these binaries for non-Debian systems. Using only tools available in Debian. This, while theoretically possible in some cases, is a pretty big pain in practice. Ok, so the solution is to go for a `double' way: - Package debian packages the debian way, ignoring other arch/os combinations. - Build some `non-standard' debian packages which have to be provided in a different way (our web server or something else) which put binaries into /src/arch-os/... These packages would only be necessary for those who want to serve texlive to other arch/os combinations via nfs/smb? And no, it's *not* a good idea to suggest just shipping pre-built binaries in the source package. (I suppose a few of the firmware in Ok, but for those quasi inofficial packages only necessary for those serving texlive we don't need source packages, just build the packages in some other way. Best wishes Norbert --- Norbert Preining preining AT logic DOT at Technische Universität Wien sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +43 (0) 59966-690018 gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- FORDTell me Arthur... ARTHUR Yes? FORDThis boulder we're stuck under, how big would you say it was? Roughly? ARTHUR Oh, about the size of Coventry Cathedral. FORDDo you think we could move it? (Arthur doesn't reply) Just asking. --- Ford and Arthur in a tricky situation, Fit the Eighth. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
policy-rc.d confusion (was: not starting packages at boot)
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:44:42 +1100, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:15:52AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: I am not a native speaker, but to me it looks like your message doesn't fit the questions I asked. Steve answered your first question. The second question makes no sense, since policy-rc.d is supposed to be written by the administrator to fit their local policy. So policy-rc.d needs to be in /usr/local, or we have a FHS violation. Additionally, the requirement of going through the alternatives system for policy-rc.d selection is somewhat mis-placed, because it suggests to me that policy-rc.d is meant to come in via package as well. Can somebody please enlighten me? Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fon: *49 621 72739834
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Dear DDs, dear all! First of all, thanks for the many suggestions I will take into account. Let me sum up what: - I have to put the arch-independent stuff into /usr/share Yes - I can put arch-dependent stuff for the `current' arch into /usr/lib Not quite. If it is meant to be executed directly, it should be in /usr/bin, or else there must be a symlink from /usr/bin/ to /usr/lib. For other debian systems on other archs I can do the following: - I can install other arch packages into /srv/arch/... with a forced root and share them via nfs Ok. So other debian clients are now happy. As long as you also tweak their dpkg database. The last question I have (for now): - How can I install binaries for non-Debian architectures-os combinations (win32, i386-solaris, ...) USING the pacakge management system? Is there a way at all -- or is there no way for this? According to the FHS, this should go to /srv: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM I am not aware of anything that uses this currently, but I think you could do it: - The package would have to be Architecture: all, so that no buildd tries to compile it - It would just be a convenience package - nobody can depend on it, and it would not depend on anything (well, the win32 package could Suggest: samba). But it would indeed be nice if one could just point one's server to the apt-sources that contain tex-live, and update the Win/Solaris clients automatically. - If you want it included in Debian proper, be prepared for some legal discussions. It won't prevent the sources from going into Debian (i.e. into main), but it might be that the deb should rather go into contrib; IANARD-L Regareds, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
PostgreSQL-Problem and Problem on Alioth
Hi, I tried to post a question to [EMAIL PROTECTED] which seemed to have failed because of File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py, line 178, in Enqueue dbfp.close() IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Any Alioth admins around? Concerning to the concrete question which is perhaps also interesting for people reading this list, please read below -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:58:10 -0700 From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post pkg-postgresql-public generated by [EMAIL PROTECTED] local delivery failed The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: -- pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post pkg-postgresql-public generated by [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Traceback (most recent call last): File /var/lib/mailman/scripts/post, line 94, in ? main() File /var/lib/mailman/scripts/post, line 89, in main msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py, line 178, in Enqueue dbfp.close() IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- From: Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian PostgreSQL Liste [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, perhaps some people in this list could give some reasonable advise here. I'm uncertain myself how to do it the right way. Thanks Andreas. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:11:53 -0500 From: sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dbconfig-common-devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Dbconfig-common-devel] Changing PostgreSQL configuration On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:27:10PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: some applications do need a changed pg_hba.conf to work as expected. this raises something i'm wondering... what is the best generalized method for setting up an application with a username/database in postgresql? in the latest code, i'm doing the following: (as postgres) createuser $dbc_dbuser createdb $dbc_dbname -O $dbc_dbuser what's not clear is how the application then gets into the database as $dbc_dbuser. assuming it runs as www-data (or some system user if not a web app), should www-data be added to a map in pg_ident.conf to connect as $dbc_dbuser? or something in pg_hba.conf? also, what about authorization methods other than ident? i'm finding myself pushing up against the limits of what i know about postgres (of which most has already come from the making of this package). so, any insight that you have would be helpful. based on the suggestions that i get, i'll most certainly use the debconf templates you provided with whatever alterations are necessary. thanks, sean -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
[Norbert Preining] Ok, so the solution is to go for a `double' way: - Package debian packages the debian way, ignoring other arch/os combinations. - Build some `non-standard' debian packages which have to be provided in a different way (our web server or something else) which put binaries into /src/arch-os/... These packages would only be necessary for those who want to serve texlive to other arch/os combinations via nfs/smb? Sounds good. Except you meant /srv/ not /src/. Ok, but for those quasi inofficial packages only necessary for those serving texlive we don't need source packages, just build the packages in some other way. Well, you can build the package from a source package that already has binaries in it - it's not that it can't be done. It's just that the Debian Project, as a rule, doesn't accept packages that can't be built from source, on a Debian system - even if said source code is shipped. By shipping these .debs yourself, rather than pushing them into Debian, you sidestep this. Lots of source packages in the non-free section have pre-built binaries in them - so it's technically not hard to do, and is probably easier to use the source package format than some other ad hoc means of producing a .deb file. Peter signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around. That usualy only works if you recognise them as females and can lead to quite the oposite as well sometimes. :) Oh, you mean we should use video mails or such? Naaah ;-)) -- Ciao... // Ingo \X/ Please note that year 2004 has come to an end and the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apply to NM? ha!
SR, ESC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while i don't appeciate gunnar's comments - seems to me he's just trying to lessening the issue i brought up. Which is what? I didn't read your one or two initial mails that consistent mainly of f-words; besides that I have not read anything you brought up. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How often does it actualy happen that ftp-master rejects the name of a package? Did anyone have that happen to him/her when adding a new deb to old source ever? There have been discussions about library renaming in the last couple of weeks, and IIRC the maintainer in the end was glad that his first choice of names was rejected. But that could also be done in a 3-day grace period; or this period could be extended if the ftp-masters want to discuss with the maintainer. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: binaries for different architectures in debian packages
Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And no, it's *not* a good idea to suggest just shipping pre-built binaries in the source package. (I suppose a few of the firmware in main people might argue that the Solaris binary is not for your host CPU anyway so doesn't constitute a problem, but most of the Project would disagree.) I'm not sure whether firmware is the right parallel. But anyway, Debian wouldn't be able to provide security support for these packages. Therefore it has to be the TeX-live people who provide the packages. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian? [was: Re: RFS: dosage -- powerful webcomic downloader / archiver]
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:51, Sam Watkins wrote: Dosage / mainline has a feature to download all supported comics, so it is quite possible for someone (perhaps a child) to stumble across this one by accident, as I did. Probably nearly everyone who tries dosage will want to see the range of comics available. While I am aware that this is another quality, I just want to point out, that fortunes has mitigated this risk by splitting off the offensive fortunes into a sperate package. Regards, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PostgreSQL-Problem and Problem on Alioth
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I tried to post a question to [EMAIL PROTECTED] which seemed to have failed because of File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py, line 178, in Enqueue dbfp.close() IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Any Alioth admins around? I'm guessing this was caused by /org being full. I cleaned up some 4Gb stuff from debian-amd64. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 01:40 -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 01:06 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 07:39 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 22:28 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] have to be done for NEW packages, e.g. inform some U.S. government agency about the new deb, add an override entry into the db. The only Could you flesh that out a little? Details were a bit scetchy there on irc too. I would rather have an ftp-master say what is actualy going on then repeat speculations. Sounds(*) like the paranoid rantings of a W-hater. Sounds like the nationalistic rantings of someone ignorant of US law. H - I love my (imperfect) country. - The Federal Register is Very Large. - I've been to many other countries But as to the need to inform some bureaucracy: yes, I was wrong in my characterization. (But then, Clinton never did anything worth knowing anyway, did he?) What does that have to do with irrational hatred of W? (NOTE: I stopped saying that I hated The Clintons when I worked for someone who really *did* hate The Clintons. She was *scary* when she started talking politics...) But since this is way OT, any replies should be off-list. It's not hard to find information about the measures Debian has taken for crypto export compliance, which do involve sending information a government mailbox (albeit one that probably goes unread) about our exports: http://lwn.net/2002/0328/a/deb-crypto.php3 -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. If you disregard people's motives, it becomes much harder to foresee their actions. George Orwell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 09:48 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around. That usualy only works if you recognise them as females and can lead to quite the oposite as well sometimes. :) Oh, you mean we should use video mails or such? Now that's a scary thought... -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. People had to leave everything, from photos of their grandparents to cars. Their clothes, cash and passports has been changed by state authorities. This is incredible, people lived, had homes, country houses, garages, motorcyles, cars, money, friends and relatives, people had their life, each in own niche and then in a matter of hours this world fall in pieces and everything goes to dogs and after few hours trip with some army vehicle one stands under some shower, washing away radiation and then step in a new life, naked with no home, no friends, no money, no past and with very doubtful future. http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/page14.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:48:04AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I wish more women would join Debian and the lists. My experience is that usually there's not that much aggressiveness when there are women around. That usualy only works if you recognise them as females and can lead to quite the oposite as well sometimes. :) Oh, you mean we should use video mails or such? That'd be too much, but I'd love to see a photo field in the db.debian.org database, or some other gallery of developers. It's been interesting seeing what a lot of people look like in the little headshots on planet.debian.org, and more would only be a good thing. Steve -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian? [was: Re: RFS: dosage -- powerful webcomic downloader / archiver]
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:14:57AM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:51, Sam Watkins wrote: Dosage / mainline has a feature to download all supported comics, so it is quite possible for someone (perhaps a child) to stumble across this one by accident, as I did. Probably nearly everyone who tries dosage will want to see the range of comics available. While I am aware that this is another quality, I just want to point out, that fortunes has mitigated this risk by splitting off the offensive fortunes into a sperate package. Uh, no. It has split off those fortunes that could hypothetically offense even a minority of small-minded people into a separate package, including quite a number of false positives, IMO. But perhaps that's just me. -- EARTH smog | bricks AIR -- mud -- FIRE soda water | tequila WATER -- with thanks to fortune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Processed: Re 275388 - mounting at boot time under grub
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Re: PostgreSQL-Problem and Problem on Alioth
Hi Andreas! Andreas Tille [2005-01-25 9:43 +0100]: On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:27:10PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: some applications do need a changed pg_hba.conf to work as expected. this raises something i'm wondering... what is the best generalized method for setting up an application with a username/database in postgresql? in the latest code, i'm doing the following: (as postgres) createuser $dbc_dbuser createdb $dbc_dbname -O $dbc_dbuser what's not clear is how the application then gets into the database as $dbc_dbuser. assuming it runs as www-data (or some system user if not a web app), should www-data be added to a map in pg_ident.conf to connect as $dbc_dbuser? or something in pg_hba.conf? also, what about authorization methods other than ident? There are two common ways to achieve that: - Connect as www-data. For this you need an appropriate PostgreSQL user (createuser www-data as user postgres). Then you either make www-data the owner of the database (createdb -O www-data mydb) or you set the owner to some application-specific PostgreSQL user and only GRANT the necessary permissions to www-data (usually you need table creation etc. only for package installation and can restrict www-data permissions to SELECT/UPDATE). This solution has the advantage that you don't need to modify pg_hba.conf (since you can use ident sameuser authentication). The current PostgreSQL default installation does not create the www-data user by default. If somebody convinces me that this would be a good idea, then I wouldn't object to creating the user in the PostgreSQL postinst, though. But instead I would rather just ship a wrapper script that just ensures that www-data exists, and if not, creates it. - Connect as $dbc_dbuser and use password authentication. ident makes not much sense since the database user has not necessarily a system user counterpart (if it has, then this would of course work). But if it hasn't, you need a pg_hba.conf entry. I'm open to suggestions about making modifications to pg_hba.conf unnecessary in the common case. (I still need some time to read this thread about the common database infrastructure *sigh*). Martin -- Martin Pitt http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org Debian GNU/Linux Developer http://www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apply to NM? ha!
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [050125 07:05]: Romain Francoise wrote: And Debian wouldn't be fun without a few enmities, we wouldn't have great posts like http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/07/msg01308.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/12/msg8.html... Huh, and here was me thinking those were perfect examples of the sort of idiocy that just sucks the fun right out of Debian. Agreed. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
David Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:51, Sam Watkins wrote: Dosage / mainline has a feature to download all supported comics, so it is quite possible for someone (perhaps a child) to stumble across this one by accident, as I did. Probably nearly everyone who tries dosage will want to see the range of comics available. While I am aware that this is another quality, I just want to point out, that fortunes has mitigated this risk by splitting off the offensive fortunes into a sperate package. Good idea. dosage went even a step further: It doesn't include any of those comics at all. So where's the problem? Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: Bug#291796: ITP: planetpenguin-racer -- another 3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin
* Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050124 13:37]: [ ITP of a new tuxracer ] It is based on the GPL version of TuxRacer. [..] Oliver, as the current maintainer of tuxracer. Would you like to comment an my intentions? Any hints or usefull suggestions? If this is a fork and tuxracer has gone non-free, why not simply move the Debian packages to use planetpenguin racer ? That's why I cc'ed Oliver, who said, that we should move to ppracer - as soon as my package hits the archive (hopefully without bugs), and replace tuxracer with a transitstation package. We'll see details about that later. Yours sincerely, Alexander signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 07:38:41AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: Sadly, those helpful people usually don't make up the reputation of Debian in public. The aggressive DDs do this, IMHO. You might be right. Also posts like this don't help: On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:00:35 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 02:36:04AM -0500, SR, ESC wrote: what's the fucking point in applying to NM when you get blasted for asking a simple question about release. and what's the fucking point when you get called luser for asking about it. really getting fucking sick of this crap. you fucking bored, so you go and insult people? fuck off, and grow the fuck up, you're not in high school anymore. you know who you are. Welcome to Debian! This is more offensive to me than SR, ESC's post. With 3 words you manage to accuse all Debian developers of being rude and offensive. Unfortunately it's par for the course with your posts here. Even worse, nobody was even rude to SR, ESC - he simply misinterpreted what was being said. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 11:04 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: David Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:51, Sam Watkins wrote: Dosage / mainline has a feature to download all supported comics, so it is quite possible for someone (perhaps a child) to stumble across this one by accident, as I did. Probably nearly everyone who tries dosage will want to see the range of comics available. While I am aware that this is another quality, I just want to point out, that fortunes has mitigated this risk by splitting off the offensive fortunes into a sperate package. Good idea. dosage went even a step further: It doesn't include any of those comics at all. http://slipgate.za.net/dosage/downloads/changelog So where's the problem? The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. No matter how hard women work, train, excersize (and some of the woment in the Olympics were *muscular*), lose body fat, or get Title IX money, (the population of athletic) women will *never* be faster, stronger or better at sports(*) than (the population of athletic) men. (*Excluding small sports like darts.) It's just how men and women have evolved. Deal with it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
ti, 2005-01-25 kello 12:34 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa kirjoitti: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. These parents are free to install whatever traffic blocker they feel appropriate. Debian doesn't seem to contain one, though. Such a traffic blocker would, hopefully, be rather more useful for limiting access to the Internet than removing URLs from packages one by one. I don't know how if there is any free software for this purpose, however, since keeping an up-to-date database of safe/unsafe sites is a lot of work and it might need to be done commercially. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 11:04 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: David Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:51, Sam Watkins wrote: Dosage / mainline has a feature to download all supported comics, so it is quite possible for someone (perhaps a child) to stumble across this one by accident, as I did. Probably nearly everyone who tries dosage will want to see the range of comics available. While I am aware that this is another quality, I just want to point out, that fortunes has mitigated this risk by splitting off the offensive fortunes into a sperate package. Good idea. dosage went even a step further: It doesn't include any of those comics at all. http://slipgate.za.net/dosage/downloads/changelog I stand corrected. But in this case, the short description dosage -- powerful webcomic downloader / archiver isn't really appropriate. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:34 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. These parents are free to install whatever traffic blocker they feel appropriate. Debian doesn't seem to contain one, though. Squid? And yes, I've already thought of that. However, I'd rather some things (URLs, in this case) not be dropped my children's laps, even though they could be blocked further upstream. When they start to get curious about such things, let 'em learn about porn the old fashioned way... ;) -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. What other evidence do you have that they are terrorists, other than that they trained in these camps? 17-Sep-2002 Katie Couric to an FBI agent regarding the 5 men arrested near Buffalo NY signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
* Ron Johnson | They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* | consider appropriate. Then they should supervise their child's use of the computer. Relying on Debian as some sort of filter for not letting a child see or read something some parent might consider harmful is stupid. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. These parents shouldn't give their children root access to the computers in the family. If they do give them root access, there's no way to prevent them from downloading such things, anyway (except perhaps some mandatory filtering proxy). If they want their children to be able to learn how to take care of a Debian box, they should talk with them about it. Also about problematice packages (like dosage, as some might think, or exim, if they care more about open mail relays than stupid comics). Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Jan 25, 2005 at 11:03, Frank Küster praised the llamas by saying: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: http://slipgate.za.net/dosage/downloads/changelog I stand corrected. But in this case, the short description dosage -- powerful webcomic downloader / archiver isn't really appropriate. It appears that this is what the program does, so why is it an inaccurate description? -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#258884: Bug #258884 - Got Bootsplash in debian throug patch or user space tools
You can use : deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main but ther is no development upstream so it cannot be included in debian. gensplash is the version produced by the developper that upgraded bootslpash for each kernel since 2003. This is a better implementation though ther is not yet debian packages for it. If you feel geeky , http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash/ http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash/archive/gensplash-in-5-easy-steps.txt http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=206778%26postdays=0%26postorder=asc%26start=100 http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=206778%26postdays=0%26postorder=asc%26start=216 http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/sysv-rc-bootsplash/ http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Framebuffer:Bootsplash:Grubsplash also hibernate for swsusp has experimental support for gensplash. You should also not that lpp (linux progress patch) is in debian. packages.debian.org/stable/devel/kernel-patch-lpp It is for 2.4 and 2.2. But abandonned by upstream for the same reasons as bootsplash . You nearly had to rewrite it all for each new kernel version. a new project based on it for 2.6 kernels ; http://foofighterer.fo.funpic.de/download.php also abandonned by upstream and only maintained by a new developper. Gensplash is the only one which is easy to maintain. RH replacing its own graphic boot loader for gensplash in feodora. That seems the only actively developped project and easy to maintain. There is hope fo it to be integrated upstream as it does not clutter require hooks everywher in the kernel as the other do. the old known : Make it simple stupid. So debian bootsplash is not new, only sleeping until a something stable comes up. My hope is that nobody loose time patching bootsplash and instead port the gensplash init scripts to debian and other distros (so we could share hundreds of themes :) work is under way: http://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2004/09/msg00022.html http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~dbildh/Linux_On_TM4001/#fbsplash http://home.arcor.de/helmut.schlattl/gensplash/install.en.html Cheers Alban -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Processed: initscripts: mountvirtfs etc. should fail gracefully if files are missing
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 245545 initscripts Bug#245545: general: testing upgrade breaks loading of modules at boot time Bug reassigned from package `general' to `initscripts'. thank Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#273413: apt-get destroyed hard disks
lde is the low level tool you want. But it cannot help if even the bios do not see the drives. I don't think that sector 0 matter regarding BIOS detection. I m not an expert though, but i would check cables , power and such. Also the title is misleading : apt download files and decompress them, it know nothing about the drives and cannot mess with them. The only tool changing the boot sector is grub or lilo and whatever it does it cannot mess with bios detection. (in fact bios detect cdrom drives taht have no sector 0 when there is no disk and HD can be detected even if nothing is installed on them. Are you sure you did not kicked the box in the run ? ou should try a livecd rescue, knoppix or linux rescue system (smaller but in console only). Regards Alban -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Developers photo gallery (was: Re: apply to NM? ha!)
Moving to -project, follow up there. Em Ter, 2005-01-25 s 09:30 +, Steve Kemp escreveu: That'd be too much, but I'd love to see a photo field in the db.debian.org database, or some other gallery of developers. That's been proposed before -- even adding it to the /devel/people page has been considered. It's been interesting seeing what a lot of people look like in the little headshots on planet.debian.org, and more would only be a good thing. Yeah, I'm totally supportive of the idea, too. Maybe we could work on this outside the DD's LDAP and then integrate it if the idea is well-accepted later on. Thanks, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gustavo Noronha http://beterraba.no-ip.org/~kov/ Debian: http://www.debian.org/ * http://www.debian-br.org/
Re: try to keep a watch file into your package
Il giorno mar, 25-01-2005 alle 07:49 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow ha scritto: Bluefuture [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The dehs system now is regular running again every two days on alioth (and so also on the info feed to developer.php on qa). Looking at no_watch page[1] there are: Total source packages without watch file: 6324 Total source packages: 8285 %: 76,33% What is the number if you exclude native packages? Native packages are already not included in the dehs system. MfG Goswin -- Bluefuture [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255773: marked as done (general: GNOME 2.6.1: does not manage themes icons and doesn't start any applets)
Your message dated Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:49 +0100 with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line Bug#255773: general: GNOME 2.6.1: does not manage themes icons and doesn't start any applets has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what I am talking about this indicates a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact me immediately.) Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 22 Jun 2004 23:14:15 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jun 22 16:14:14 2004 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 213-140-22-74.fastres.net (caligola) [213.140.22.74] by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 1 (Debian)) id 1BcuT0-0003QV-00; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:14:14 -0700 Received: from titanicus by caligola with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BcuSW-0001Ka-00; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:13:44 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Salvatore di Maggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: general: GNOME 2.6.1: does not manage themes icons and doesn't start any applets X-Mailer: reportbug 2.61 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:13:44 +0200 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Salvatore di Maggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BadReturnPath: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rewritten as [EMAIL PROTECTED] using From header Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2004_03_25 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HAS_PACKAGE autolearn=no version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2004_03_25 X-Spam-Level: Package: general Severity: important -- System Information: Debian Release: testing APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.4.24-deb Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Received: (at 255773-done) by bugs.debian.org; 25 Jan 2005 11:34:39 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 25 03:34:21 2005 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.25] by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 1 (Debian)) id 1CtOxh-00033k-00; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:34:21 -0800 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0608.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CC5AC1C0024A for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from argos.server.maison (AToulouse-152-1-30-39.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.125.28.39]) by mwinf0608.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A78551C00244 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from prahal by argos.server.maison with local (Exim 4.44) id 1CtOxB-0007Nc-5u for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:49 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug#255773: general: GNOME 2.6.1: does not manage themes icons and doesn't start any applets Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 X-Spam-Level: this bug should have been reassigned to gnome. It s fixed for monthes. The problem only remain if using another session manager than gnome (which seems not this bug case). Regards Alban -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#161978: general: /usr/share as a symlink breaks EVERYTHING, but only sometimes
I use bind mount : /var/video/doc /usr/share/doc nonebind 0 2 /var/video/games /usr/share/games nonebind 0 2 and have not problem insofar. Cheers Alban -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#199653: debian bugs 199653 and 206187
f this is a rootkit , are on of chkrootkit, rkunter, tiger or other able to detect it ? Thanks Alban -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Ron Johnson | They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* | consider appropriate. Then they should supervise their child's use of the computer. Relying on Debian as some sort of filter for not letting a child see or read something some parent might consider harmful is stupid. What does having root access have to do with this? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Americans hate foreign policy because Americans hate foreigners, because they *are* foreigners, and came to this country to get away from the bad things. P.J. O'rourke, 2004-06-25, Fox News Channel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Ron Johnson | They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* | consider appropriate. Then they should supervise their child's use of the computer. Relying on Debian as some sort of filter for not letting a child see or read something some parent might consider harmful is stupid. I thought like you until my kids grew to an age where supervising every waking minute of their lives is quite impossible. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. The graduate with a Science degree asks, Why does it work? The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, How does it work? The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, How much will it cost? The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, Do you want fries with that? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 05:57 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Ron Johnson | They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* | consider appropriate. Then they should supervise their child's use of the computer. Relying on Debian as some sort of filter for not letting a child see or read something some parent might consider harmful is stupid. What does having root access have to do with this? oops, wrong post. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout. A MODEST PROPOSAL FOR PREVENTING THE CHILDREN OF POOR PEOPLE IN IRELAND FROM BEING A BURDEN TO THEIR PARENTS OR COUNTRY signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:09 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. These parents shouldn't give their children root access to the computers in the family. If they do give them root access, there's no way to prevent them from downloading such things, anyway (except perhaps some mandatory filtering proxy). What does giving them root access have to do with this? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. He that would live in peace and at ease must not speak all he knows or all he sees. Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Jan 25, 2005 at 11:03, Frank Küster praised the llamas by saying: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: http://slipgate.za.net/dosage/downloads/changelog I stand corrected. But in this case, the short description dosage -- powerful webcomic downloader / archiver isn't really appropriate. It appears that this is what the program does, so why is it an inaccurate description? The changelog Ron posted says , | * Added comics: | - MadamAndEve (contributed by Anthony Caetano) | ... ` either this means that the comics are in fact _included_ in the dosage package. Or Ron was talking nonsense - he wrote: , | On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 11:04 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: | | Good idea. dosage went even a step further: It doesn't include any of | those comics at all. | | http://slipgate.za.net/dosage/downloads/changelog ` So either you are wrong, and dosage does include comics. Or Ron owes me an explanation. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: [Fwd: Re: status of the DDTP project?]
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: While I agree, and I started and worked on the pt_BR effort, there's still a problem with this: we, the people translating the descriptions do not see the work being used, as no infra-structure code was added to APT and the FTP. But at least there were a lot of flame wars, rejected patches etc and it we will loose to work which was done until now nobody will continue in caring for the necessary code you mentioned. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:43:32AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote: [snip] 3. If anyone says something to you that is insulting or upsetting or offensive, you are possibly better off just ignoring it than trying to argue with them. Remember 1 :) 3.5. A lot of nuance gets lost when communicating over the Internet, especially in a multi-culture, multi-language environment. Tongue-in-cheek humour, irony, subtle jokes, or local variances all stand a big risk of everything between becoming totally incomprehensible to becoming rudely insulting. Also, most subcultures tend to develop a language of their own, a with its own internal jokes, idioms, etc. For instance, all of my geek friends (and I presume most people here?) know, that if I tell them to RTFM, it's not because I wish to insult them, but to remind them that there is a manual-page for that command/function/whatever. My mother would probably not understand that however, and she'd very likely be quite upset to see output from dict). Similarly, there's quite a difference between a coffee table discussion where I tell my buddy Fuck off! when he reads me an awesome article from today's paper, and the Fuck off! newbies sometimes get on an IRC-channel when asking the wrong question. The problem is that to alleviate the problem completely, we'd either have to stop people from writing what they think (mind control), or have everyone convert to new speak (double plus bad). [snip] Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] /) Northern lights wander (\ // Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel // Dance across the winter sky // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Full colour fire (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 13:06 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: The changelog Ron posted says , | * Added comics: | - MadamAndEve (contributed by Anthony Caetano) | ... ` either this means that the comics are in fact _included_ in the dosage package. Or Ron was talking nonsense - he wrote: I would have thought the obvious answer was that the ChangeLog refers to adding support for the given comic, not the actual comic itself (that would be a huge amount of data for the number of support comics!) Ian. -- Ian Campbell Current Noise: Kreator - Dying Race Apocalypse Recent investments will yield a slight profit.
Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval
|| On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:37:49 +0100 || Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gvb Then the maintainer gets a bugreport saying they should gvb Replace/Conflict/Provide the silly name. Also ftp-mster could get an gvb automatic notice about new debs and a 3 day window to veto it or gvb something. ftp-master being a group that should suffice. The NEW queue gvb doesn't have to be instantanious. gvb How often does it actualy happen that ftp-master rejects the name of a gvb package? Did anyone have that happen to him/her when adding a new deb gvb to old source ever? This is not the only problem. ftp-master's also do some checks to see if we aren't do massive fragmentation of packages. I, personally, was one person who have a rejected package because I splited one and wasn't need. -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://www.freedom.ind.br/otavio - Microsoft gives you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. pgpOhKNO0hcfX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#292150: ITP: phpauction -- PHP based auction site, you can submit and make offers for auctions
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Guglielmo Dapavo [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: phpauctionGPL Version : 2.5.0 Upstream Author : Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.phpauction.org/ * License : (GPL) Description : PHP based auction site, you can submit and make offers for auctions It is a PHP site similar to ebay, you can manage categories, auction properties,and every aspect of the auction process. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (990, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.7 Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (charmap=ISO-8859-15) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Developers photo gallery
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25-01-2005 12:14, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Moving to -project, follow up there. Em Ter, 2005-01-25 às 09:30 +, Steve Kemp escreveu: That'd be too much, but I'd love to see a photo field in the db.debian.org database, or some other gallery of developers. That's been proposed before -- even adding it to the /devel/people page has been considered. Start by adding your own photo to your GPG key. - Jonas P.S. Please cc me if responding only to -devel, as I am not subscribed. - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ - Enden er nær: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB9jtjn7DbMsAkQLgRAqIoAJ45/jSRNEVJat3QzPUVRpjtZ6xingCgitNY gHjXpInMLWgFjOcd9QcPJ/g= =+Uy+ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:34 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. These parents are free to install whatever traffic blocker they feel appropriate. Debian doesn't seem to contain one, though. Squid? And yes, I've already thought of that. However, I'd rather some things (URLs, in this case) not be dropped my children's laps, even though they could be blocked further upstream. When they start to get curious about such things, let 'em learn about porn the old fashioned way... ;) Try it out and get pregnant? MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Op di, 25-01-2005 te 04:30 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 11:04 +0100, Frank Kster wrote: Good idea. dosage went even a step further: It doesn't include any of those comics at all. http://slipgate.za.net/dosage/downloads/changelog So where's the problem? The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. Oh, are we turning into a children's distribution now? They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. Are you one of them? If not, please stop theorizing about hypothetical users that might not even exist. -- EARTH smog | bricks AIR -- mud -- FIRE soda water | tequila WATER -- with thanks to fortune
Re: policy-rc.d confusion (was: not starting packages at boot)
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote: So policy-rc.d needs to be in /usr/local, or we have a FHS violation. Please request that we enhance invoke-rc.d to look on /usr/local first, then (through a wishlist bug). Looks like a good idea at first glance. Additionally, the requirement of going through the alternatives system for policy-rc.d selection is somewhat mis-placed, because it suggests to me that policy-rc.d is meant to come in via package as well. It is. As Debian infrastructure, it has to be very packaging-friendly. Can somebody please enlighten me? Yes. Nobody wrote-AND-packaged a general use policy-rc.d yet, but work is being done in that area. Stuff like pbuilder already uses it inside the chroots. It is meant to be packaged. Running /usr/local/sbin/policy-rc.d might be quite the wortwhile addition to invoke-rc.d -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
* Ron Johnson | On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * Ron Johnson | | | They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their | | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* | | consider appropriate. | | Then they should supervise their child's use of the computer. Relying | on Debian as some sort of filter for not letting a child see or read | something some parent might consider harmful is stupid. | | I thought like you until my kids grew to an age where supervising | every waking minute of their lives is quite impossible. Then perhaps they should get to see porn if they want to? Or filter URLs in your gateway or whatever -- I really don't see why Debian should suddenly become a distribution where all the sharp hooks you can cut yourself on are removed. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Op di, 25-01-2005 te 06:00 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Ron Johnson | They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* | consider appropriate. Then they should supervise their child's use of the computer. Relying on Debian as some sort of filter for not letting a child see or read something some parent might consider harmful is stupid. I thought like you until my kids grew to an age where supervising every waking minute of their lives is quite impossible. So you want Debian to supervise your kids every waking minute of their lives instead? Yes, it is indeed possible to supervise them every waking minute of their lives. You should thus focus your efforts on making them understand why $ACTION is wrong, instead of trying to prevent them from doing $ACTION. To minors, the forbidden act is tempting; the wrong act is not. -- EARTH smog | bricks AIR -- mud -- FIRE soda water | tequila WATER -- with thanks to fortune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ian Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 13:06 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: The changelog Ron posted says , | * Added comics: |- MadamAndEve (contributed by Anthony Caetano) | ... ` either this means that the comics are in fact _included_ in the dosage package. Or Ron was talking nonsense - he wrote: I would have thought the obvious answer was that the ChangeLog refers to adding support for the given comic, not the actual comic itself If that answer was obvious, than posting the link as a response to my claim it doesn't include any was, at least, misleading. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 14:04 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Ian Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 13:06 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: The changelog Ron posted says , | * Added comics: | - MadamAndEve (contributed by Anthony Caetano) | ... ` either this means that the comics are in fact _included_ in the dosage package. Or Ron was talking nonsense - he wrote: I would have thought the obvious answer was that the ChangeLog refers to adding support for the given comic, not the actual comic itself If that answer was obvious, than posting the link as a response to my claim it doesn't include any was, at least, misleading. You're correct, I had who was claiming what all mixed up, sorry! Ian. -- Ian Campbell Current Noise: Metallica - Trapped Under Ice Are you having fun yet?
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tuesday, 25 de January de 2005 13:00, Ron Johnson wrote: I thought like you until my kids grew to an age where supervising every waking minute of their lives is quite impossible. What age? 25 years old? -- Isaac Clerencia[EMAIL PROTECTED] Warp Networks http://www.warp.es Mara de Luna 11, 50018 Zaragoza, Spain pgphL9HQ6WIMI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:30:08AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: So where's the problem? The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. As a future parent and atheist I conside offensive and inappropiate the following material: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search bible | wc -l 16 Please, kindly remove them from the archive. /mode type=irony Dude, get a grip. -- Jesus Climent info:www.pumuki.org Unix SysAdm|Linux User #66350|Debian Developer|2.6.10|Helsinki Finland GPG: 1024D/86946D69 BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D7F 8694 6D69 Bates Motel... 12 rooms, 12 vacancies. --Norman Bates (Psycho) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:09 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. These parents shouldn't give their children root access to the computers in the family. If they do give them root access, there's no way to prevent them from downloading such things, anyway (except perhaps some mandatory filtering proxy). What does giving them root access have to do with this? If somebody has root access to a computer that is connected to the internet, she or he can download and install anything that this computer can download. For example, she can install dosage from the upstream sources, or just download the comics manually. If the computer has access only via a restrictive filtering proxy, this is prevented. But then you can as well let them install dosage. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:34:38PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. These parents are free to install whatever traffic blocker they feel appropriate. Debian doesn't seem to contain one, though. And the kids might feel free to use whatever tunneling system up to a proxy machine to bypass the rules impossed by the parents. Up until a certain age the parents should be responsible for keeping control on the machine itself, the software it has installed and the programs they can use/install, including the ports and domains they have access to. After that age, they can probably use dosage at full power. Heck, as someone said: they have the discovery channel, don't they?. At no time Debian should be censoring any content for innapropiate. Every single bit of information has an audience which might feel offended by it. -- Jesus Climent info:www.pumuki.org Unix SysAdm|Linux User #66350|Debian Developer|2.6.10|Helsinki Finland GPG: 1024D/86946D69 BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D7F 8694 6D69 Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. --Tyles Durden (Fight club) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: try to keep a watch file into your package
Il giorno mar, 25-01-2005 alle 13:56 +0100, Wouter Verhelst ha scritto: I'm not convinced having a watch file is always useful. I agree with you. I would hope a maintainer would follow the announcements of the software I agree with this. Dehs/Watch is not a system for bypassing upstream mailing list, announcement, chat. he packages and upload only its latest stable upstream version, as opposed to just the latest version, whatever that may be; and that the maintainer would only upload a new upstream version if the change is meaningful (for instance, if a new upstream version only includes changes relevant for, say, the FreeBSD and Microsoft Windows ports of their application, it's useless to upload the latest version). If there are other (more detailed and reliable) ways of finding out what the latest upstream version is, having a watch file isn't really necessary. As you can see on alioth pages, dehs, for packages with a valid (or automatic generated watch file) try to keep the upstream changelog/news from the new upstream version not in sync with debian version, as you can see by clicking upstream version number (where available)[1] or on your maintainer/package page on dehs.alioth. As another point, I myself have become the upstream maintainer of the NBD tools since about a year now, IIRC (while I have been maintaining packages for NBD since July 2001 or so). I could have changed the NBD packages to be native ones, but I opted not to do so; however, since I release them myself, I'm quite aware when there is a new NBD upstream package. Having a watch file is unnecessary bloat, then. In this cases watch file (if the package doesn't become native) could be intended as an info tool for debian user community and for all other developer that are not the maintainer or the upstream author of your package (this is another goal of dehs i hope). These are just two examples where having a watch file isn't really necessary; I can imagine that there are a lot more. That's not to say that your effort isn't appreciated or that it is even completely useless; only that it is to be remembered that a watch file, while often useful, isn't always necessary and might in some cases even be a bad idea. Considering the above, if 76% of packages do have a watch file and the other 24% do not, it might be reasonable to assume that a high number of those that do not yet have a watch file do not actually need one. The problem is that 76% of packages doesn't had a watch file and only the 24% had one. Of course, as I said, this does not have to mean that /none/ of those packages actually do not need a watch file; in fact, I just downloaded the automatically generated watch file for one of my other packages where a watch file /is/ useful (since the upstream maintainer doesn't do announcements) ;-) There is always, as above, the second Dehs goals as an info tools for user and other developers that doesn't maintain your package and for this reason doesn't follow the upstream mailing list/announcement developing activity. Cheers, Blue [1] http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/no_updated.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Ron Johnson | They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* | consider appropriate. Then they should supervise their child's use of the computer. Relying on Debian as some sort of filter for not letting a child see or read something some parent might consider harmful is stupid. I thought like you until my kids grew to an age where supervising every waking minute of their lives is quite impossible. It seems to me you (or the people you advocate for) don't have a problem with bad content in some media, but with education. The world isn't nice, and one of the goals of education is to make the children grow to be strong human beings, who can stand the weirdness of the world, and who can, the older the more, judge what is good for them. You won't be able to judge for them when they are 40, will you? The sentence you wrote should probably be written differently: I thought like you until I learned that it was impossible to supervise every waking minute And I would add: It is not only impossible, it is highly undesirable to supervise them every waking minute. From day one[1]. From this point of view, it doesn't make any sense to talk about exclusion of material from Debian because parents might not like it for their children. There may be other reasons, but this isn't one. Regards, Frank [1] assuming a healthy birth. If the child needs to be in an incubator at first, day one in this sense is something later. -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 13:46 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:34 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. These parents are free to install whatever traffic blocker they feel appropriate. Debian doesn't seem to contain one, though. Squid? And yes, I've already thought of that. However, I'd rather some things (URLs, in this case) not be dropped my children's laps, even though they could be blocked further upstream. When they start to get curious about such things, let 'em learn about porn the old fashioned way... ;) Try it out and get pregnant? I started looking at porn 30 years ago, and haven't gotten pregnant yet. Amazingly, porn != coitus. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. The peace dividend is peace. Dan Quayle signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: not starting packages at boot
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bad hack. I hate to drop my own binaries to /usr/sbin. You can make /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d a symlink to the file of your choice under /usr/local. A bit less bad, but wouldn't prevent something undesirable happening if you install a package shipping /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d (which should not be very hard to avoid). -- Florent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 14:55 +0100, Jesus Climent wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 12:34:38PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Up until a certain age the parents should be responsible for keeping control on the machine itself, the software it has installed and the programs they can use/install, including the ports and domains they have access to. [snip] At no time Debian should be censoring any content for innapropiate. Every single bit of information has an audience which might feel offended by it. So help us parents keep control by splitting possibly inappropriate material into separate packages. Like fortune does. Then all the bits are there, and parents have a modicum of control. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. He was about as useful in a crisis as a sheep. Dorothy Eden signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
El Martes 25 Enero 2005 11:30, Ron Johnson escribió: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. an advice for they: 1) make a script to mirror from http://www.dmoz.org/Kids_and_Teens/ 2) unplug their computer from the network 3) stop bothering the rest of open-minded people another thing: Given A,B where A=parent(B) if ((A have not installed dosage) (B hasn't root access)) B can't access dosage just another more thing: Maybe I should say I agree to not include it in debian, in order to enhace kids creativity (sic). If you provide them a porn-downloader script, they may become just plain porn consumers. However, if they have to download porn by hand, someday they'll program an script, and we'll see another flame here :P PD: a parent can't pretend Debian to watch their kids. If they have to get something they'll just get it with or without the Debian help. A little proof: $ cat ~/bin/pget | grep -v ^# | egrep -v ^$ | wc -l 44 And it just depends on sh, sed and wget, should we remove those...? Cheers, Koke -- Jorge Bernal Koke Personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.amedias.org/koke/ Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. - Edsger Dijkstra
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 14:04 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Ron Johnson | On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * Ron Johnson [snip] Then perhaps they should get to see porn if they want to? Or filter URLs in your gateway or whatever -- I really don't see why Debian should suddenly become a distribution where all the sharp hooks you can cut yourself on are removed. This sounds a bit like the gun control debate. I don't want the sharp hooks removed. I want them put in boxes (i.e. packages) where they can be easily installed by root, but aren't just laying around (i.e., in dosage, along with the nice round scissors that are suitable for children). Am I making any sense to you? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. All of the reporting about Laci Peterson Michael Jackson reminds me of the Don Henley song Dirty Laundry: Can we do the operation? Is the head dead yet? You know, the boys in the newsroom got a running bet. Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:37:49 +0100 || Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gvb Then the maintainer gets a bugreport saying they should gvb Replace/Conflict/Provide the silly name. Also ftp-mster could get an gvb automatic notice about new debs and a 3 day window to veto it or gvb something. ftp-master being a group that should suffice. The NEW queue gvb doesn't have to be instantanious. gvb How often does it actualy happen that ftp-master rejects the name of a gvb package? Did anyone have that happen to him/her when adding a new deb gvb to old source ever? This is not the only problem. ftp-master's also do some checks to see if we aren't do massive fragmentation of packages. I, personally, was one person who have a rejected package because I splited one and wasn't need. Then other DDs will lart you and you revert the change. If it happens before the package enters sarge that should be painless. I could live with that if it means a lot more packages don't get stuck in NEW. But maybe that is just me. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 14:05 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op di, 25-01-2005 te 06:00 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Ron Johnson | They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* | consider appropriate. Then they should supervise their child's use of the computer. Relying on Debian as some sort of filter for not letting a child see or read something some parent might consider harmful is stupid. I thought like you until my kids grew to an age where supervising every waking minute of their lives is quite impossible. So you want Debian to supervise your kids every waking minute of their lives instead? Did I say that? No. Making it easier for me to give them age-appropriate comics (by having fortune-like multiple packages) isn't too much, is it? Yes, it is indeed possible to supervise them every waking minute of their lives. You should thus focus your efforts on making them understand why $ACTION is wrong, instead of trying to prevent them from doing $ACTION. To minors, the forbidden act is tempting; the wrong act is not. But if MadamAndEve is not on the list of supported comics that I've installed for dosage, then there's no need to explain. Parenting is already busy enough trying to help them understand why any number of $ACTIONs are wrong, why would I want to add any more? NOTE that I thing that packaging dosage is a *good* idea! It would be better, though, if the the supported-cartoon list could be broken up into multiple packages. That's all I'm saying. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. The chief excitement in a woman's life is spotting women who are fatter than she is. Helen Rowland signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 13:59 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op di, 25-01-2005 te 04:30 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 11:04 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Good idea. dosage went even a step further: It doesn't include any of those comics at all. http://slipgate.za.net/dosage/downloads/changelog So where's the problem? The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. Oh, are we turning into a children's distribution now? I hope not. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. Are you one of them? If not, please stop theorizing about hypothetical users that might not even exist. Yes. And I want $YOU to be able to install dosage with support for all the comics, and $ME to be able to install dosage with only a limited number of comics. $YOU get what $YOU want, and $ME gets what $ME wants. Debian -- The Universal Operating System -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. The difference between drunken sailors and Congressmen is that drunken sailors spend their own money. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 14:48 +0100, Jesus Climent wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:30:08AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: So where's the problem? The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. As a future parent and atheist I conside offensive and inappropiate the following material: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search bible | wc -l 16 Please, kindly remove them from the archive. /mode type=irony Dude, get a grip. You have the option to *not* install them on your machine. John Ashcroft is not holding a gun to your head making you install it. I want to have more options than just to do or do not install dosage. What's wrong with that? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Oh, great altar of passive entertainment, bestow upon me thy discordant images at such speed as to render linear thought impossible Calvin, regarding TV signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tuesday 25 Jan 2005 14:59, Ron Johnson wrote: You have the option to *not* install them on your machine. John Ashcroft is not holding a gun to your head making you install it. I want to have more options than just to do or do not install dosage. What's wrong with that? 1. File a wishlist big against dosage if one does not already exist. 2. Get on with your life. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval
|| On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:31:55 +0100 || Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gvb How often does it actualy happen that ftp-master rejects the name of a gvb package? Did anyone have that happen to him/her when adding a new deb gvb to old source ever? This is not the only problem. ftp-master's also do some checks to see if we aren't do massive fragmentation of packages. I, personally, was one person who have a rejected package because I splited one and wasn't need. gvb Then other DDs will lart you and you revert the change. If it happens gvb before the package enters sarge that should be painless. gvb I could live with that if it means a lot more packages don't get stuck gvb in NEW. But maybe that is just me. I could live with that too. I was only describing some possible problem we could be exposed. -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://www.freedom.ind.br/otavio - Microsoft gives you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. pgpqfCmOHGtD6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apply to NM? ha!
Scripsit Helen Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Based on comments made to me by a number of women who are interested in contributing more to Debian, the level of agressiveness on some of the mailing lists and IRC channels is a problem. Hmm... after I started wasting time on #debian-devel I have been struck by how much more friendly and easygoing it is that the mailing list of the same name. That is despite the significant overlap between the participant sets. I understand that some people have the opposite assessment, which boggles my mind. I do not believe that being thick-skinned enough to cope with people who are very agressive or insulting should be a requirement for involvement in Debian. I believe that it *should* be a requirement that one has enough calm to most of the time respond to (percieved or actual) aggression and insults in a less aggressive and insulting way than the other party uses. Otherwise the project will surely die (film at 11!) from runaway flamewar escalation. If you want to describe that as thick-skinned enough to cope (which, based on my understanding of English, would not be a bad description), then yes, somebody involved in Debian *should* be thick-skinned enough to cope. Shouldn't we be more interested in someone's technical skills, and their ability to work well with others? I'm lost here. It seems that you are arguing that you *don't* want ability to work well with others (which in my book includes enough thick-skinnedness not to escalate flamewars) to count? -- Henning Makholm It will be useful even at this early stage to review briefly the main features of the universe as they are known today. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 15:25 +0100, Jorge Bernal wrote: El Martes 25 Enero 2005 11:30, Ron Johnson escribió: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. They don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do* consider appropriate. an advice for they: 1) make a script to mirror from http://www.dmoz.org/Kids_and_Teens/ 2) unplug their computer from the network 3) stop bothering the rest of open-minded people I'm saddened that a supposedly open-minded person like yourself would not want to give me freedom of choice here. another thing: Given A,B where A=parent(B) if ((A have not installed dosage) (B hasn't root access)) B can't access dosage just another more thing: Maybe I should say I agree to not include it in debian, in order to enhace kids creativity (sic). If you provide them a porn-downloader script, they may become just plain porn consumers. However, if they have to download porn by hand, someday they'll program an script, and we'll see another flame here :P PD: a parent can't pretend Debian to watch their kids. If they have to get something they'll just get it with or without the Debian help. A little proof: $ cat ~/bin/pget | grep -v ^# | egrep -v ^$ | wc -l 44 And it just depends on sh, sed and wget, should we remove those...? When he gets old enough to start writing scripts to auto-d/l porn, well... that will call for a different set of parenting skills. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. The only thing that changed on 9/11 is that the dynamite that got stuck up our ass blew our heads out of the sand. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 15:02 +, Will Newton wrote: On Tuesday 25 Jan 2005 14:59, Ron Johnson wrote: You have the option to *not* install them on your machine. John Ashcroft is not holding a gun to your head making you install it. I want to have more options than just to do or do not install dosage. What's wrong with that? 1. File a wishlist big against dosage if one does not already exist. It isn't in the system, yet. 2. Get on with your life. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. The enemy thinks and plans and strategizes, too. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: policy-rc.d confusion
Scripsit Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:44:42 +1100, Matthew Palmer Steve answered your first question. The second question makes no sense, since policy-rc.d is supposed to be written by the administrator to fit their local policy. So policy-rc.d needs to be in /usr/local, or we have a FHS violation. Hm, I would have guessed /etc - what am I missing? -- Henning Makholm Al lykken er i ét ord: Overvægtig!
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
El Martes 25 Enero 2005 15:42, Ron Johnson escribió: But if MadamAndEve is not on the list of supported comics that I've installed for dosage, then there's no need to explain. Parenting is already busy enough trying to help them understand why any number of $ACTIONs are wrong, why would I want to add any more? what about adding en /etc/dosagerc with a forbidden_strips=... ? NOTE that I thing that packaging dosage is a *good* idea! It would be better, though, if the the supported-cartoon list could be broken up into multiple packages. That's all I'm saying. -- Jorge Bernal Koke Personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.amedias.org/koke/ Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. - Edsger Dijkstra
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 15:00 +, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Helen Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I do not believe that being thick-skinned enough to cope with people who are very agressive or insulting should be a requirement for involvement in Debian. I believe that it *should* be a requirement that one has enough calm to most of the time respond to (percieved or actual) aggression and insults in a less aggressive and insulting way than the other party uses. Otherwise the project will surely die (film at 11!) from runaway flamewar escalation. If you want to describe that as thick-skinned enough to cope (which, based on my understanding of English, would not be a bad description), then yes, somebody involved in Debian *should* be thick-skinned enough to cope. Indeed. Even if all of us start to behave ourselves and avoid nasty flamewars (ha! in your dreams! :P), we still have to deal with the occassional bugreporter of Barbaric Communication School For 1337 People (the `f**k you, this piece of s***e doesn't work, go fix it or I'll be REAL angry and how you dare you release such a [EMAIL PROTECTED]' kind). It can help a lot when one can reply to such reports calmly and in a civilized manner. And a thick skin certainly helps a lot here. Shouldn't we be more interested in someone's technical skills, and their ability to work well with others? I'm lost here. It seems that you are arguing that you *don't* want ability to work well with others (which in my book includes enough thick-skinnedness not to escalate flamewars) to count? Same here.. If we ignore internal agression, one still needs a thick enough skin (although, a bit thinner as otherwise) to deal with occassional agression originating from outside (be that a bug report, a Debian or linux-flaming article somewhere on the net, etc), preferably calmly, without having ones blood pressure rise to unhealthy heights. -- Gergely Nagy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 16:44 +0100, Jorge Bernal wrote: El Martes 25 Enero 2005 15:42, Ron Johnson escribió: But if MadamAndEve is not on the list of supported comics that I've installed for dosage, then there's no need to explain. Parenting is already busy enough trying to help them understand why any number of $ACTIONs are wrong, why would I want to add any more? what about adding en /etc/dosagerc with a forbidden_strips=... ? Whatever way the maintainer thinks is best. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. 4 degrees from Vladimir Putin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Scripsit Sam Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a difference between a general tool (web-browser) and a specific tool (the Sexy Losers script). The script is specifically designed to download a hard-core pornographic comic. FWIW, Sexy Losers is not hard-core pornographic. It does contain drawings of genitals and various sexual acts, and more often than not relies on taboo breaking for its points, but at the end of the day what it attempts to provoke in the reader is not sexual arousal but humorous amusement. This should be obvious to anyone who cares to sit down and actually read a couple dozen strips. Therefore it cannot reasonably be described as porn, although one would probably be justified in calling it offensive due to the general taboo breaking. -- Henning Makholm Det er du nok fandens ene om at mene. For det ligger i Australien! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [automatic NEW processing for split or renamed binary packages, and occasionally a bug report and removal from the archive of a badly named package] I could live with that if it means a lot more packages don't get stuck in NEW. But maybe that is just me. No, you can add me. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds a bit like the gun control debate. I don't want the sharp hooks removed. I want them put in boxes (i.e. packages) where they can be easily installed by root, but aren't just laying around (i.e., in dosage, along with the nice round scissors that are suitable for children). Am I making any sense to you? No, not at all. What's the difference between dosage, being installable only by root, and dosage-boring plus dosage-offensive, being installable only by root? If you care so much about your childrens' computer usage, for sure you won't install any software without proper checking that it is okay on the family computer? Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Bug#292183: ITP: gtkpizza -- Pizza takeaway managment program written in gtk
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Guglielmo Dapavo [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: gtkpizza Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Guglielmo Dapavo [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.dapavo.it/ * License : (GPL) Description : Pizza takeaway managment program written in gtk You can manage orders, external/internal customers, pizza types. It also has reports. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (990, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.7 Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (charmap=ISO-8859-15) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: policy-rc.d confusion (was: not starting packages at boot)
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:32:02AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
So policy-rc.d needs to be in /usr/local, or we have a FHS violation.
Additionally, the requirement of going through the alternatives system
for policy-rc.d selection is somewhat mis-placed, because it suggests
to me that policy-rc.d is meant to come in via package as well.
Can somebody please enlighten me?
At least one package provides a policy-rc.d program
$ dpkg -L runit-run |fgrep policy-rc.d
/usr/sbin/runit-policy-rc.d
/usr/share/man/man8/runit-policy-rc.d.8.gz
/usr/share/doc/runit-run/INTERFACE.policy-rc.d
$ fgrep -A6 'add_alternative()' /var/lib/dpkg/info/runit-run.postinst
add_alternative() {
update-alternatives --install \
/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d policy-rc.d /usr/sbin/runit-policy-rc.d 10 \
--slave \
/usr/share/man/man8/policy-rc.d.8.gz policy-rc.d.8.gz \
/usr/share/man/man8/runit-policy-rc.d.8.gz
}
It's not a full-featured implementation though
$ /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d --list foo
runit's init script policy is to not run any init scripts at all.
$
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Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 17:35 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds a bit like the gun control debate. I don't want the sharp hooks removed. I want them put in boxes (i.e. packages) where they can be easily installed by root, but aren't just laying around (i.e., in dosage, along with the nice round scissors that are suitable for children). Am I making any sense to you? No, not at all. What's the difference between dosage, being installable only by root, and dosage-boring plus dosage-offensive, being installable only by root? If you care so much about your childrens' computer usage, for sure you won't install any software without proper checking that it is okay on the family computer? We're both saying the same thing. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Welfare Democracies will only work, in the long term, if the recipients of the wealth given to them by the earners use that wealth to become earners themselves. Unfortunately, only a small % of recipients seem to be availing themselves of the opportunity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:25:22AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:28:25 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think ftp-master already has a more complex prioritizing than that. Adding a new kernel images deb tends to be real fast (with exceptions), adding a new deb to old source reasonable fast and completly new source can take forever if questionable (e.g. mplyer). And, as usual, no communication with the outside takes place. Which is a real mess. hijack mode=thread/ On the flip side, whatever was broken with the NM queue in the past (and people have a wide variety of opinions on what that might have been), it appears to have started moving relatively steadily, coincidental with the addition of another DAM. Perhaps that really is coincidence, or perhaps it is causal; maybe there are things we can't see going on inside[1], but whatever changed, it appears to have had a positive, and so far consistant, effect. So, three cheers for... uhm... whatever fixed it. [1] Which is a separate rant, and frankly, I think Debian needs to be clear about what we really mean by We won't hide probles in our Social Contract - it talks specifically about our bug database, but if that's what we mean by problems, we should say We won't hide bugs in software we maintain. The usage of problems implies a far broader expectation of things like transparent process, especially when a process appears to be hung or broken, and we don't seem to even be able to decide, amongst ourselves, which we mean - perhaps because different camps want each to be true. But I hesitate to even open the can of worms of another Social Contract revision so soon. Still, people should think about what they believe this means. -- Joel Aelwyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,''`. : :' : `. `' `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apply to NM? ha!
Henning Makholm writes: I believe that it *should* be a requirement that one has enough calm to most of the time respond to (percieved or actual) aggression and insults in a less aggressive and insulting way than the other party uses. Otherwise the project will surely die (film at 11!) from runaway flamewar escalation. If you want to describe that as thick-skinned enough to cope (which, based on my understanding of English, would not be a bad description), then yes, somebody involved in Debian *should* be thick-skinned enough to cope. Thin-skinned people often react to hostility by simply going away. Often, they do so even when the hostility was not directed at them. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 03:02:31PM +, Will Newton wrote: 1. File a wishlist big against dosage if one does not already exist. 1a. Submit a patch so that you can be certain you get what you want. 2. Get on with your life. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 17:35 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds a bit like the gun control debate. I don't want the sharp hooks removed. I want them put in boxes (i.e. packages) where they can be easily installed by root, but aren't just laying around (i.e., in dosage, along with the nice round scissors that are suitable for children). Am I making any sense to you? No, not at all. What's the difference between dosage, being installable only by root, and dosage-boring plus dosage-offensive, being installable only by root? If you care so much about your childrens' computer usage, for sure you won't install any software without proper checking that it is okay on the family computer? We're both saying the same thing. I am saying that there is no reason why dosage should not be included in Debian, or why it would need to be split, because splitting wouldn't change anything. If you are also against splitting off some dosage-offensive or the like, I really don't know what this discussion is all about. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer
Re: apply to NM? ha!
Gergely Nagy writes: Indeed. Even if all of us start to behave ourselves and avoid nasty flamewars (ha! in your dreams! :P), we still have to deal with the occassional bugreporter of Barbaric Communication School For 1337 People (the `f**k you, this piece of s***e doesn't work, go fix it or I'll be REAL angry and how you dare you release such a [EMAIL PROTECTED]' kind). That sort of hostility is much easier to deal with calmly than hostility from fellow developers. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:55:19 +0100, Jesus Climent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At no time Debian should be censoring any content for innapropiate. Every single bit of information has an audience which might feel offended by it. I'm mostly just a lurker on debian-devel, but as someone who is very interested in seeing Debian succeed, I feel obligated to speak out here. This thread isn't the first that has erupted as of late regarding objectionable content (hot-babe being the other example that comes to mind). Each time it seems there has been a vocal group opposed to the inclusion of such software within Debian. I agree whole-heartedly with Jesus here. In no way should Debian try to step in and filter or condemn content. Our goal is to support free software, not to enforce our beliefs or judgements about suitability of content upon others. If the software in question is free according to the DFSG, it should be allowed into Debian, without question. I could see a case being made for ensuring that package descriptions are suitable. For instance, if this package's primary purpose is to download pornographic comics, it should state such clearly within the package description. I haven't checked out this package very closely, so it could just be that dosage can download all manner of comics from the internet, some of which happen to be pornographic. If that is the case, then a possible disclaimer in the long package description could be appropriate. Something along the lines of: Some of the comics supported by dosage contain content which may be found objectionable or unsuitable for children. But in no way should we block such packages from being included within Debian. Anthony W. Juckel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apply to NM? ha!
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:02 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Gergely Nagy writes: Indeed. Even if all of us start to behave ourselves and avoid nasty flamewars (ha! in your dreams! :P), we still have to deal with the occassional bugreporter of Barbaric Communication School For 1337 People (the `f**k you, this piece of s***e doesn't work, go fix it or I'll be REAL angry and how you dare you release such a [EMAIL PROTECTED]' kind). That sort of hostility is much easier to deal with calmly than hostility from fellow developers. That is roughly what I said later in that mail too. But it still needs thicker-than-average skin, I believe (which was the point I was trying to support, no more, no less). -- Gergely Nagy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 07:13:30PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 17:35 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds a bit like the gun control debate. I don't want the sharp hooks removed. I want them put in boxes (i.e. packages) where they can be easily installed by root, but aren't just laying around (i.e., in dosage, along with the nice round scissors that are suitable for children). Am I making any sense to you? No, not at all. What's the difference between dosage, being installable only by root, and dosage-boring plus dosage-offensive, being installable only by root? If you care so much about your childrens' computer usage, for sure you won't install any software without proper checking that it is okay on the family computer? We're both saying the same thing. I am saying that there is no reason why dosage should not be included in Debian, or why it would need to be split, because splitting wouldn't change anything. The OP wants the offensive parts split off in a separate package. He doesn't want dosage removed from the archive. And splitting does indeed change something. If his kids are not root they cannot install the offensive part. They might find some way around the restrictions (eg. download them directly thru a proxy or something) but this will raise the bar somewhat. I do not understand why you keep stating things all through this thread that seem to deliberately ignore exactly what the OP is asking. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 15:25:14 +0100, Jorge Bernal wrote: another thing: Given A,B where A=parent(B) if ((A have not installed dosage) (B hasn't root access)) B can't access dosage Unless you're already restricting internet access, B can just download it and install/run it from their home directory, so your assertion doesn't really hold. -- mithrandi, i Ainil en-Balandor, a faer Ambar signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 20:15:29 +0100, Wim De Smet wrote: The OP wants the offensive parts split off in a separate package. He doesn't want dosage removed from the archive. And splitting does indeed change something. If his kids are not root they cannot install the offensive part. They might find some way around the restrictions (eg. download them directly thru a proxy or something) but this will raise Firing up a normal web browser to view Sexy Losers with is not much harder than using Dosage to download it. This doesn't take away from the idea of having a separate package, of course. -- mithrandi, i Ainil en-Balandor, a faer Ambar signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:00:19PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ti, 2005-01-25 kello 12:34 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa kirjoitti: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is things/websites/etc that many parents don't think are appropriate for their children. These parents are free to install whatever traffic blocker they feel appropriate. Debian doesn't seem to contain one, though. Such a traffic blocker would, hopefully, be rather more useful for limiting access to the Internet than removing URLs from packages one by one. I don't know how if there is any free software for this purpose, however, since keeping an up-to-date database of safe/unsafe sites is a lot of work and it might need to be done commercially. dansguardian Regards, Paddy -- Perl 6 will give you the big knob. -- Larry Wall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?
Ron Johnson dijo [Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:24:57AM -0600]: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Up until a certain age the parents should be responsible for keeping control on the machine itself, the software it has installed and the programs they can use/install, including the ports and domains they have access to. [snip] At no time Debian should be censoring any content for innapropiate. Every single bit of information has an audience which might feel offended by it. So help us parents keep control by splitting possibly inappropriate material into separate packages. Like fortune does. Then all the bits are there, and parents have a modicum of control. ...Ok, so we should put mozilla into this category? Hell, it's much easier to type www.sex.com into the address bar or to google for naked babes than it is to install this package. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)1451-2244 / 5554-9450 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
