ITA: libqt-perl -- Perl bindings for the Qt library

2007-02-14 Thread Deepak Kumar Tripathi

Package: libqt-perl
Binary: libqt-perl
Version: 3.008-1.4
Priority: optional
Section: perl
Maintainer: Peter Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New maintainer: Deepak Tripathi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0), libqt3-mt-dev, perl (>= 5.8.0),
automake1.7, autoconf, libsmokeqt-dev (>> 4:3.2.3-1)
Build-Conflicts: libqt-perl
Architecture: any
Standards-Version: 3.6.1
Format: 1.0
Directory: pool/main/libq/libqt-perl



Thanks
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Re: help

2007-02-14 Thread RJ Gillis

Hey guys...
Thanks for all the responses and I got it figured out; my buddy went 
there and thought it was a Quick-time like player needed to view the 
page. Nothing happened and so he never told me about it. But I would 
think a program install would show you something...? Anyway, from 
reading your emails, I got kinda interested, my main question is; will 
all my programs run on Debian? If so, I might try it out. Thanks again 
for the replies- RJ



Matthew K Poer wrote:


On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 16:33 -0700, RJ Gillis wrote:
 


Hopefully you can forward this to the correct party; everyone I've tried gets my message 
returned stating: "you are not subscribed to this list". Yet, I cannot find a 
way to subscribe, nor do I wish to. Thanks- RJ


Hi, I am hoping you can help me. I recently had to use 'safe mode' and 
when rebooting, was offer the choice of 'windows' or 'debian installer'. 
I have never seen or heard of debian before and no one else uses my pc, 
so the question is; how did this get on my pc? I cruised your site and I 
know it's an OS, but not how it got here. The only hardware changes I've 
made recently are a new monitor and graphics card; neither disc includes 
debian on it. Any clues? It sure is a mystery to me.

Thanks- RJ


   



Are you sure you don't have geeky friend's messing with you, trying to
have you use Debian (Linux)?

I can't say for sure how the Debian Installer got onto your computer,
but it may have to do with the Debian Windows Installer project, check
www.goodbye-windows.com, which basically loads the Debian OS installer
from within MS Windows. It's neat... if you want it. As far as I know,
no one has forced this on anyone unwilling. (Though there would be irony
in forcing people to use a secure OS via a security hole in an insecure
OS)

To me this sounds like your opportunity to try out Debian GNU/Linux. If
you're not interested, just select to load Windows. Check out here for
how to fix your boot.ini file and go to Windows automatically when your
PC boots up: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022

If you've accidentally stumbled upon Linux, why not give it a shot? I'll
tell you one thing: you won't not know when you've installed a second
operating system!

(I've CC-ed to what I think might be the correct mailing lists for such
a topic. If you reply, keep please keep these addresses in the CC field)

 



Re: Why Beryl has just four packages?

2007-02-14 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:27:21PM -0600, Anibal Avelar wrote:
> Shawn, I would appreciate if you will let me help you. I'm Debian
> maintainer and I have a great interest in beryl.

As Shawn noted, the current work is in the git repo. If you'd like to help
us out, please start from those and start sending patches to debian-x. The
XSF is always open to people who want to help out.

 - David Nusinow


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Re: fluxbox

2007-02-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 12:34:14PM +0300, Dmitry E. Oboukhov a écrit :

> maintainer is lazy

> It is impossible to make a commit while maintainer hasn't denied his 
> responsibility


Dear Dmitry,

A lazy maintainer would say everyday that he will to the task tomorrow,
and a responsability-denying maintainer would say that if it works for
him he does not need to fix for others.

But the maintainer of fluxbox seems more MIA (missing in action) than
something else. There are many threads about MIA on this list, as well
as documentation in the developper's reference. Maybe it would be more
productive to convince the QA team to orphan the package, or to convince
the co-maintainer to take the leadership of fluxbox maintainance.

However, it will be difficult to convince somebody to give time to the
fluxbox package if it seems that there is a user who will give him
publically a hard time when his expectations are not fullfiled.

For the localisation in russian, as it seems that you found out how to
correct the problem in the current version, the most likely possibility
to make it into Etch would be to contact the russian localisation team
if it exists, and ask for a non maintiner upload.

If you have time and some programming skills, you can even consider
preparing a NMU patch by yourself: apt-get source fluxbox, modify the
relevant files and the changelog according to the Debian policy, build a
source package and send the debdiff on the Bug Tracking System. I am
sure that there will be localisation-friendly developpers who would help
you.

Have a nice day,

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Bug#410970: ITP: kirocker -- Kicker applet that displays what you listen to in Amarok.

2007-02-14 Thread Julian Hernandez Gomez
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Julian Hernandez Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: kirocker
  Version : 1.4
  Upstream Author : Sébastien Laoût <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52869
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : Kicker applet that displays what you listen to in Amarok.

Make your Kicker (the KDE main panel) rock with your music.
 
It is a Kicker applet that displays what you listen to in Amarok.
 
With this panel applet, you always know what you are listening to,
and can watch its cover and star rating: it is always visible.
It allows you to rate your music with one click: you can quickly change the 
number
of stars of your musics from anywhere on your desktop.
Finally, it let you remotely control Amarok with one click from anywhere on your
desktop: play next or previous track, pause, play, and seek to another position
in the current track.

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Re: wiki.debian.org suffering from full disk

2007-02-14 Thread Ryan Murray
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:10:28 +0100
Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just received a "disk full" error because the partition that holds the 
> data of the wiki is full. The result was that the page I was editing 
> seems to be lost (hopefully can be restored from history).

wiki.debian.org has moved to a new host with lots of available disk
space, so it should be safe to edit the wiki again.


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Bug#410960: ITP: thunar-thumbnailers -- thumbnailers for Thunar file manager

2007-02-14 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Debian Xfce Maintainers 


* Package name: thunar-thumbnailers
  Version : 0.1.0
  Upstream Author : Erlend Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Benedikt Meurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jens Luedicke
* URL : 
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/thunar-plugins/thunar-thumbnailers/
* License : GPLv2
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : thumbnailers for Thunar file manager

 The thunar-thumbnailers project provides additional thumbnailers for use by
 the Thunar file manager. Thumbnailers are little utilities that run in the
 background to generate previews for certain file types.
 .
 Following file formats are supported:
 - EPS
 - Postscript
 - Fig (.fig)
 - LaTeX (requires tetex)
 - Raw Digital Camera Images (requires dcraw)
 - Grace (requires grace)


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Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:57:12 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I applaud the effort by the DAM's to gather the required
> information on their own, taking the burden of writing whatever code
> that needs be written, as opposed to asking the MIA folks to add
> code/process over and beyond what they already do.

DAM are already overworked, judging from their track record. Unloading
some of the work load that does not need as much trust onto the MIA
team seems a sensible thing to do instead of reinventing the wheel and
letting the DAM wait queue become even more longer.

Greetings
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Re: wiki.debian.org suffering from full disk

2007-02-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Frans Pop wrote:
> I just received a "disk full" error because the partition that holds the 
> data of the wiki is full. The result was that the page I was editing 
> seems to be lost (hopefully can be restored from history).
> 
> Advise in the meantime: don't edit the wiki.

In case people hadn't already noticed, this has been fixed.


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Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:35:27 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I mean, getting ones
> status reverted is an inconvenience, but surely an active DD should
> not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer?

I would surely love to be required to do pointless exercises in
dilgence, such as repackaging exim4 without debhelper,  in that case.

not.

Greetings
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Re: Why Beryl has just four packages?

2007-02-14 Thread José Luis Tallón
Shawn Starr wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 February 2007 00:27, Anibal Avelar wrote:
>   
> [snip]
> Heliodor I won't be including, gtk-window-decorator from compiz is the same 
> thing and will work with beryl (im not sure of metacity themes as there are 
> issues with this)
>   
What about requesting a "Provides: beryl-heliodor" from
gtk-window-decorator for the time being?
or better yet: a meta-package with the required Depends: upon
gtk-window-decorator --- this would help end users while at the same
time easing the upgrade path for the future should beryl's heliodor
deviate from compiz.

> You can find the current work on git.debian.org  as mentioned, when 0.2 gold 
> is out we will have all copyright/license issues resolved finally. 
>   
This is becoming of utmost importance as of lately.
If we want Debian to remain viable in the long run, we need to keep the
Archive free from legal issues.
That's actually the main difference among Debian and Ubuntu/Linspire and
other derivatives, and its strength :-)
> One important thing is the that beryl 0.1.4 has icons that are non-free (from 
> the tango project) and these will be removed in beryl 0.2.0 as upstream has 
> told me. Otherwise, beryl would have to go into non-free.
Hopefully not. Upstreams tend to be quite responsive when it comes to
licensing issues.. we are all in the same boat after all.


Anyway, thank you for all your work, Shawn. It is much appreciated.
Go Debian! :-)



J.L.


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Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)

2007-02-14 Thread The Fungi
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:09:48AM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> one of the most famous desktop boards for pentium 3 slot cpus was the
> asus p3b-f. it can handle 4 dimms with a total capacity of 1gb (lucky me
> had such a machine in 2000/2001. :).

Just for another data point, I *presently* use one of these as my
primary workstation and media player at home, connected via DVI/HDMI
from a Radeon 9000 to my hi-def 60" Sony at 720p (1280x720 desktop
in X.org with the service menus on the TV adjusted so I can see
every last pixel on that input). Runs Debian/sid and works like a
charm, 1GiB RAM, 600MHz Pentium 3, pair of SCSI drives in an MD
RAID-1 mirror, IDE DVD+R burner, wireless Ethernet, Bluetooth
drawing tablet and folding keyboard... So yeah, a Pentium 3 based
desktop can still do *a lot* (thanks in no small part to the
extremely efficient operating system running on it--kudos,
everyone!).

Of course, back to the original topic at hand, I tend to do package
management on that machine via aptitude in command-line mode over
SSH from a laptop... haven't touched dselect in eons.
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Re: Why Beryl has just four packages?

2007-02-14 Thread Shawn Starr
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 00:27, Anibal Avelar wrote:
> Hi. I see you have in queue NEW three packages: beryl-plugins,
> beryl-settings and emerald [1] and not ready (yet) beryl.

Firstly,  the beryl packages were REJECTED because of license issues. Upstream 
is working with me on resolving the non-free/license issues that remain these 
will be fixed for the 0.2.0 stable release of Beryl  (coming soon).

> I know beryl has another packages:
>
> beryl-dbus
> beryl-manager
>
> and optionally:
>
> emerald-themes
> aquamarine
> heliodor

emerald-themes is not needed as the themes are available from emerald. Plus we 
cannot confirm the licenses of the themes  at this time.

Aquamarine is completed again, copyright issues need to be resolved (minor).

Heliodor I won't be including, gtk-window-decorator from compiz is the same 
thing and will work with beryl (im not sure of metacity themes as there are 
issues with this)

> Do you have plans for the others packages?
>
> Because, I have been waiting from the begining those packages, I built
> my own packages [2] and I uploaded them in my unofficial Debian
> repository:
>
> deb http://fixxxer.cc/debian unstable/
> deb-src http://fixxxer.cc/debian unstable/
>
> I have built five packages: beryl, beryl-manager, beryl-plugins,
> beryl-settings and emerald from the 0.1.4 version.  Please, check
> them.
>
> I just proved them under Intel chipsets, and they are working fine (so
> far).
>
> Shawn, I would appreciate if you will let me help you. I'm Debian
> maintainer and I have a great interest in beryl.

You can find the current work on git.debian.org  as mentioned, when 0.2 gold 
is out we will have all copyright/license issues resolved finally. 

One important thing is the that beryl 0.1.4 has icons that are non-free (from 
the tango project) and these will be removed in beryl 0.2.0 as upstream has 
told me. Otherwise, beryl would have to go into non-free.

> Regards
>
>
> [1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
> [2] http://fixxxer.cc/debian/unstable/

Thanks, 
Shawn.


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Re: fluxbox

2007-02-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:15 +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
> Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...]
> > I am sure yoush hasn't done a thing with it, as Experimental packages
> > don't need to be maintained, period.
> 
> Bullshit. Experimental is a playground, not a graveyard for development
> releases. It's supposed to be used as a testing ground for unstable, so
> you better try to maintain the package in experimental before moving it
> to unstable at some point.

True that. BUT show me where the requirement for maintaining a package
in Experimental is *REQUIRED*. You yourself just said it is a
playground. Experimental packages fall out of experimental upon "NVIU",
whether or not the experimental package was actually used to make the
newer version in unstable.

Yes, it is a shame, but experimental is kind of like sourceforge.
Sourceforge has a "Ba-Million" projects, 8 of which have activity.(1)




(1) Yes, I was know I was exaggerating. Its more like 20... ;-P
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Re: P3 capabilities

2007-02-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:36:10AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> 
> You've got a funny definition of "P6-class". 8-)  There are Pentium IIs
> whose on-chip L2 cache can only cover 512 MB.  PAE is only of
> theoretical value on these systems.
> 
P6-class says nothing about how much memory the CPU can address.  It is
about the instruction set.  With that in mind, every 32-bit Intel
Pentium since the Pentium Pro is a P6-class CPU.

Regards,

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Bug#410914: ITP: imaxima-imath -- Emacs interface to Maxima

2007-02-14 Thread Jan Alonzo
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jan Alonzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: imaxima-imath
  Version : 0.97
  Upstream Author : Yasuaki Honda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://members3.jcom.home.ne.jp/imaxima/Site/Welcome.html
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Lisp
  Description : Emacs interface to Maxima

 Imaxima.el provides support for interacting with the computer algebra system
 Maxima in an Emacs buffer. Imaxima processes the output from Maxima with TeX
 and inserts the resulting image in the buffer.
 .
 Imath mode is a minor mode for Emacs to aid you write a plain text with math
 formulas embedded in the text. Formulas appeared in the text are rendered
 based on the Imaxima's ability to translate Maxima and LaTeX commands to
 beautiful math formulas.


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Re: P3 capabilities

2007-02-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Matthew Garrett:

> Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> P3 server machines can easily handle more RAM, I've had P3 servers with 1G 
>> and 
>> 2G before.  But desktops are limited (desktop and server versions of the P3 
>> CPU have significant differences among other things).
>
> Like any other P6-class CPU[1], the Pentium 3 can handle up to 64GB of
> RAM via PAE.

You've got a funny definition of "P6-class". 8-)  There are Pentium IIs
whose on-chip L2 cache can only cover 512 MB.  PAE is only of
theoretical value on these systems.


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fluxbox

2007-02-14 Thread Dmitry E. Oboukhov

I perfectly understand what experimental is.

I mean rather another problem: the new package version has been
realised, and this version maintains different charsets in locales. This
option is very important for not-Englishspeaking users. But maintainer
is lazy to commit this version to Debian.

The version in experimental hasn't any extravagant dependences or
problems with building/upgrade/compatibility with previous versions.

As far as I understand maintainer placed it into experimental only
because the new version (0.9.15) in original is also called RC2:1.0.
Probably he supposed that RC would soon be replaced with Release, but it
may take a few years more.

In the context of Etch release I think it is very important to work on
maintaining of UTF-8 and internationalization on the whole. Especially
as the upstream version gives such possibility. The question is: what
can be done if maintainer doesn't busy himself with the package and
doesn't answer the messages and bug-reports? It is impossible to make a
commit while maintainer hasn't denied his responsibility, but it would
be very desirable to solve the problem.


On 20:46 Tue 13 Feb , Greg Folkert wrote:
GF> On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 01:30 +0300, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote:
>> Hi!
>> There's the following problem with the fluxbox package.
>> 
>> The locale in the etch distributive ia already set into UTF-8 as
>> default. Fluxbox has been maintaining  UTF-8 for a long time.
>> 
>> From July in experimental/ there had been  0.9.15version with
>> full maintaining of  UTF-8.
>> 
>> But in spite of the sent bug
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397482
>> maintainer shows no sign of life and doesn't pay attention on
>> personal messages.
GF> Dmitry, experimental isn't for putting things into Sid or Testing or
GF> Stable.
GF> I am sure yoush hasn't done a thing with it, as Experimental packages
GF> don't need to be maintained, period.
GF> Experimental is experimental. If you don't understand what the word
GF> means, please go look it up. In terms of Debian, it MAY be used for
GF> testing new ways to package things. It may also be used to put newer
GF> versions into the pool without screwing up a freeze. But your July issue
GF> is far before the Etch Freeze.
GF> Which in turn means (to me) it was either a courtesy thing that got put
GF> in Experimental, or that it isn't as easy as you'd think to "fix it up"
GF> to get that or a newer version into Etch. Perhaps, doing the upgrade
GF> from Woody-Etch would break, or maybe the version in Sarge is completely
GF> incompatible and has to be handled gingerly and is causing lots of
GF> heartache.


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Bug#410881: ITP: jhbuild -- flexible build script for package collections

2007-02-14 Thread Loïc Minier
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Loic Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: jhbuild
  Version : SVN r1372
  Upstream Author : James Henstridge and others
* URL : http://www.jamesh.id.au/software/jhbuild/
* License : Mostly GPL, some bits under MIT and BSD-style
licenses
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : flexible build script for package collections

 Jhbuild is a program that can be used to pull a number of modules from
 CVS, Subversion, Bazaar and other types of repositories or from
 tarballs and build them in the correct order.  Unlike some build
 scripts, jhbuild lets you specify what modules you want built and it
 will then go and build those modules plus dependencies.
 .
 Although jhbuild was originally developed to build GNOME, it is now
 able to build a number of the modules in freedesktop.org's CVS.
 Extending it to handle new modules is usually trivial assuming the
 build infrastructure matches the other modules it handles.


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Re: fluxbox

2007-02-14 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> I am sure yoush hasn't done a thing with it, as Experimental packages
> don't need to be maintained, period.

Bullshit. Experimental is a playground, not a graveyard for development
releases. It's supposed to be used as a testing ground for unstable, so
you better try to maintain the package in experimental before moving it
to unstable at some point.

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Re: recent etch upgrade... sashroot (uid=0) started to impersonate uid=0 (root)

2007-02-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:37:55PM -0500, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> And you are guys share the prize! the cause is indeed in nscd: problem goes
> away if I stop nscd, and comes back when I start it. And it might be that
> originally I didn't have nscd running, which is why I didn't observe this
> behavior.  nscd --debug didn't show anything interesting besides first hit
> against not yet known sashroot and then requests to resolve uid=0.

> Since, I assume, behavior of the system should be preserved while running
> nscd, this issue is an nscd bug, since nscd changes the way uids get
> resolved. Is that correct?

Again, I believe the behavior is not a bug because the behavior of
getpwuid() when two users share the same uid is undefined.

This behavior is related to other nscd issues in the past that /were/ bugs
though, and security bugs at that -- because nscd caches lookups as 1:1
maps, it was possible to poison nscd's dns cache by triggering a lookup of
an IP whose reverse-DNS had been set to a hostname that you wanted to take
over.  I think that bug was fixed by breaking the link between forward and
reverse DNS caching, but there was no reason to break the link for
user/group caching because those should legitimately be bidirectional maps.

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Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)

2007-02-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Evgeni Golov wrote:
> In 2000/2001? I still have a p3-500 on a asus p3b-f with 512mb ram here
> at home as a fileserver, and one with 384mb at my girlfriends home as a
> desktop...

i did tend to change hardware more frequently in the past, nowadays it
doesn't make so much of a difference anymore.

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Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)

2007-02-14 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:58:11AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Thursday 08 February 2007 22:14, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Beside the point I know, but I had P-III machines with more RAM than
> > that installed in the past. 768Mb at least.
> 
> Were they desktop machines?  If so what brand?

Yes desktops. HP Kayak XU800, and I think Kayak XA also.


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