Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius, 2007-03-07 11:32:32 -0500 : > >> It's a matter of how someone arrives at the point where he wants to >> help. If he wakes up one morning and thinks "I want to help the KDE >> team" he will probably contact the KDE maintainers. If he thinks >> "Since 3 years I am using Debian it's time for me to contribute." he >> might look in more generic places to find out who requests help. > > In that case, I suppose http://www.debian.org/intro/help should be > made a bit more helpful. More visible, more readable, and so on. I > understand one of the DPL candidates intends to work (or get people to > work) on the Debian website; I suggest this page could be considered > during that endeavour. I don't consider it to be too bad. But it would be a good step forward if it contained a reference to the RFH list. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:28:45PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around who > > might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or twice would > > be more productive. I'm thinking something along the lines of: > > yadayadayada > > just consider mailing debian-kde _HAS FG BEEN DONE ALREADY_ and > I'm tired giving the link again and again, ON THE KDE USER LIST where > it's the most probable place to find users caring about KDE rignt ? I > recall for the other here that debian-kde is a user list, the maintainer > one is debian-qt-kde. The damn mail is here: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/01/msg00215.html > > it gave 0 DAMN USER WNATED TO HELP. From my perspective, it shows that the intended audience did not read that list or that particular mail or subscribed after it was sent... Also, how often do you view advertisements on TV for say food, movies or other items? Once? no, often! Why? Advertising is something that has to be done as an on going process to get maximum results. Getting your message to its intended target is a hard thing. How about having 'text ads' on the pages of the Debian site that showcase a 'request for help' or similar? -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:28:45PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around who > might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or twice would > be more productive. I'm thinking something along the lines of: yadayadayada just consider mailing debian-kde _HAS FG BEEN DONE ALREADY_ and I'm tired giving the link again and again, ON THE KDE USER LIST where it's the most probable place to find users caring about KDE rignt ? I recall for the other here that debian-kde is a user list, the maintainer one is debian-qt-kde. The damn mail is here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/01/msg00215.html it gave 0 DAMN USER WNATED TO HELP. IS IT CLEAR ENOUGH OR SHOULD I USE SOM ASCII-CAPS-LOCK-TOILET-POWERED MAIL ? > > So Yes I wonder if it's not that it's just easier to pretend it's our > > fault > > Nobody is saying anybody is at fault, which doesn't mean there's no room for > improvement. This was answering to: ] ] > > Again, I do not appreciate the latent criticism of the big teams ] ] > > to ] ] > > hide their understaff problem. It's blatantly bogus hence iritating, ] ] > > almost insulting. ] ] > ] ] > Don't you wonder why it is perceived like that? Which do seem like a quite not very hidden accusation, so yes, somebody is playing finger-pointing games here, and I'm tired of it. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpBs6tWWvcmz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: VMware Player packages
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:46:18PM +0100, Hans Kratz wrote: > Sure. I wasn't aware of that package. AFAICS that package handles only > the VMware kernel modules right now. No, it can build vmware-player .debs as well. I'll fix the wrong description in svn. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VMware Player packages
Hi! HK> After repeatedly seeing interest in VMware Player packages for HK> Debian I decided to post my work on packaging VMware Player. It HK> should work fine on sarge and sid. Currently only i386 is HK> supported, support for x86-64 is on my TODO list. That was supposed to read *etch* and sid. Just that nobody gets the wrong idea... ;-) You'd probably like to join efforts with Marc Haber who maintains vmware-package package in experimental :) Sure. I wasn't aware of that package. AFAICS that package handles only the VMware kernel modules right now. It could probably merged with the VMware Player parts of my package. I am not sure though that the vmware-any-any patch it is based upon buys us anything at least for the modules shipped with VMware Player. The VMware Player modules as packaged by me seem to work just fine with the stock 2.6.18 kernels of etch/sid. Best regards, Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
Matthias Julius, 2007-03-07 11:32:32 -0500 : > It's a matter of how someone arrives at the point where he wants to > help. If he wakes up one morning and thinks "I want to help the KDE > team" he will probably contact the KDE maintainers. If he thinks > "Since 3 years I am using Debian it's time for me to contribute." he > might look in more generic places to find out who requests help. In that case, I suppose http://www.debian.org/intro/help should be made a bit more helpful. More visible, more readable, and so on. I understand one of the DPL candidates intends to work (or get people to work) on the Debian website; I suggest this page could be considered during that endeavour. Roland. -- Roland Mas With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: racoon and bug 372665
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:17:00AM +0530, Ganesan Rajagopal wrote:
> > "Milan" == Milan P Stanic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I don't think so (except maybe udev, but servers can happily work without
> > udev). What is the reason to start nfs from "one time initialization"
> > subsystem? Portmap and nfs can be started in runlevel 2 to 5.
>
> That's debatable. However current Debian policy as per /etc/rcS.d/README is
>
> =
> The following sequence points are defined at this time:
>
> * After the S40 scripts have executed, all local file systems are mounted
> and networking is available. All device drivers have been initialized.
>
> * After the S60 scripts have executed, the system clock has been set, NFS
> filesystems have been mounted (unless the system depends on the automounter,
> which is started later) and the filesystems have been cleaned.
> =
Yes, it is true. But is also says that:
=
The scripts in this directory whose names begin with an 'S' are executed
once when booting the system, even when booting directly into single
user mode.
=
Look at "are executed once". Daemons could be executed once when booting
the system but also could be stopped, started and restarted during normal
server (or workstation) operation.
> Besides NFS, if your entire access to the network requires IPsec, you cannot
> even ssh outside the box unless racoon sets up a tunnel. It's really a
> critical service in that sense.
So could be other VPN subsystems (OpenVPN, VPNC, SSH etc).
I would think that mountnfs.sh should be moved somewhere else
(/etc/rc{2-5}.d/) where portmap have symlinks already. If we mount
remote filesystems so early why samba is not started from /etc/rcS.d/ ?
Policy is ambiguous (at least) here, IMO.
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Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: >> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Do you expect potential helpers to search various list archives or >> mail maintainers to ask whether they need help? I would guess only > > no I expect them to contact the teams, and entry points are obvious. > Hiding behind the fact that entry points are not waved under their nose > and that because of that they can't help is, well, Ubuesque. It's a matter of how someone arrives at the point where he wants to help. If he wakes up one morning and thinks "I want to help the KDE team" he will probably contact the KDE maintainers. If he thinks "Since 3 years I am using Debian it's time for me to contribute." he might look in more generic places to find out who requests help. >> >> What does it hurt to file a RFH bug? At least it is a centralized >> platform where potential helpers can find out about who need help. >> And it is a logical place for that. And the list is posted weekly on >> -devel. > > because that's not one, but 1500, and that would not be very useful to > flood RFH that are often specific needs for technicals matters. Here > it's manpower missing, RFH seems inapropriate to me. Does a RFH need to be that specific? I think those 0-day NMU mails from last week might be well suited for RFH. I think it is beneficial if the help request is permanently visible compared to being burried in some list archive. If you wanted to request help for a specific bug you would tag it 'help'. Am I correct? > >> > Again, I do not appreciate the latent criticism of the big teams to >> > hide their understaff problem. It's blatantly bogus hence iritating, >> > almost insulting. >> >> Don't you wonder why it is perceived like that? > > Yes I do, especially given that in that thread those teams have > claimed many times they need help, and that people continue to pretend > like it never happened. So Yes I wonder if it's not that it's just > easier to pretend it's our fault, than to question onself "wtf didn't I > helped before already ?" Well, of course, it is always easier to blame everybody else. I just think an argument like "We have a RFH out since one year and nobody cared." will work better for you than "We sent a request to -kde a year ago and nobody responded." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around > who might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or > twice would be more productive. I'm thinking something along the > lines of: This might have even bigger impact on debian-user. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#413857: ITP: isomaster -- A graphical ISO image editor
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: isomaster Version : 0.8 Upstream Author : Andrew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://littlesvr.ca/isomaster/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : A graphical ISO image editor ISO Master is a GTK-based graphical CD image editor for reading, writing and modifying ISO images. -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-amd64 Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maintainers
Thanks to the people in the library at the college I attended. I believe this is the same as or very similar to the one I used: Title: Information technology: GNVQ Advanced Names: Knott, Geoffrey (Author); Waites, Nick (Author) Publisher: Business Education Publications Date: 1997 ISBN: 1901888010 or else mine was similar to: Title: GNVQ Advanced information technology Names: Hodson, Peter(Editor) Date: 1995 Publisher: DP Publications ISBN: 1858051118 or Title: GNVQ Advanced Information Technology Names: Doyle, Stephen (Author) Publisher: Stanley Thornes Date: 1997 ISBN: 0748728902 I will try to locate a a copy of the first one in order to find out what the book was based on. Howard Jon Stearn wrote: Hi Howard This is an outstanding idea - i'd be very happy to work with you on pushing it forward. I have long experience with linux and in delivering training and producing course materials. Do uyou have a copy of the material that you used? Or a book title or ISBN that you could give me? cheers Jon On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 06:29:49PM +, Howard Young wrote: See the email I sent after wards. It has the same subject (and sorry, it is quite long). In short I suppose the material answer to your question would be: A set of books and for quick sale of the proposal possibly having a few people run localized linux terminal servers that allow colleges to have dumb terminals and no need to reinstall network with Linux or install servers if they just want to try one term. In England courses often funded by being run to comply with certain criteria i.e. SHOWS THE USER HOW TO OPERATE A MOUSE and so on (but less specific). If the book and software covers the criteria I suspect it would be possible to have it approved so that the government give whatever approval they can to the book. This is speculation of course as I am not sure if the present books are 'approved'? After reading the other email does this make sense? If the books are GPL then people will be able to study for the qualification by downloading a PDF. As the course is in UNITS it is not really necessary for someone to write an entire book. Individuals can conform to a standard based on the aforementioned criteria and government accessibility requirements... Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 10:33 +, Howard Young wrote: I know of a way that maintainers could be increased substantially (I expect hundreds to many thousands a year). I am not sure of the specifics but I have little doubt that in the end it would work. It will likely take more than four years to implement and only work in England. Exactly what are you proposing? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: > > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Like every packaging team in debian, mailing the [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > or [EMAIL PROTECTED] depending on how old the team is. Usually that > > > list is in the Maintainer or Uploaders field of the control file. > > > #debian-$team is also a good place to look. Those things are > > > _obvious_. > > > > Do you expect potential helpers to search various list archives or > > mail maintainers to ask whether they need help? I would guess only > > no I expect them to contact the teams, and entry points are obvious. > Hiding behind the fact that entry points are not waved under their nose > and that because of that they can't help is, well, Ubuesque. You're missing a couple of points here: 1) That only gets you the help of those that are actively seeking to get involved (and that's a small minority of potential helpers) 2) Those actively seeking to get involved with Debian will tend to look jump in in areas that both interest them AND obviously need help (or at least they'll jump in there first. To give an anecdotal example: I first got actively involved with Debian, because I saw a message asking for translations of the debian-edu install questions, that stated a translation would only take 10-15 minutes. I figured "I can do that", and got more and more involved from there (and I wasn't the only one to help out in reaction to that mail) From what I've observed that's a quite common patern -> asking for help, and taking care where and how to ask, can make a huge difference in the amount of help you receive. > > > Again, I do not appreciate the latent criticism of the big teams to > > > hide their understaff problem. It's blatantly bogus hence iritating, > > > almost insulting. > > > > Don't you wonder why it is perceived like that? > > Yes I do, especially given that in that thread those teams have > claimed many times they need help, and that people continue to pretend > like it never happened. There's been a couple of blogs about the fact that in response to this thread somebody jumped in and started working on antiquated KDE-bugs. -> seems like asking for help had some effect in this case doesn't it? Secondly debian-devel is probably not the best forum for getting help with triaging old bugs why not? Because most people on the list are already heavily involved with Debian, and busy working on their own little problems. So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around who might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or twice would be more productive. I'm thinking something along the lines of: Subject: Adopt a bug community drive Hi all, greetings from the KDE-team First for the good news: we're currently managing to keep up with new bugs and quality of the KDE packages is good and improving :) However we have a lot of old antiquated bugs on kdebase that pre-date the formation of the kde-team, and we need your help to clean those up. We'd like each of you to pick out just 1 old bug and help update the information in it (you're of course welcome to do more then 1 :). Mostly this is a question of doing what people on this list are always doing, namely aks the submitter for the necessary information to get at the cause of the bug, and checking if the bug has been reported in the KDE bugzilla, and so on. To make helping even easier here is a step by step instruction on cleaning up old bugs in the Debian BTS: 1) point your browser to the list of kdebase bugs at [1] 2) pick a bug (send a reply to this message on list to avoid multiple people picking the same bug) 3) check the upstream BTS to see if the same bug is reported there, if so ... NOTE: point 2 is opportunity for a bit of bit of social engineering: if everybody in the team picks 1 antiquated bug to follow up on and sends a reply to the list, people will have the impression that something good is happening, mostly the'll go "well, I can do that", and will thus be more likely to jump in. Important points here are: 1) you ask for help 2) you do so in a forum where people are interested in KDE, and a lot of people won't be heaviliy involved yet 3) you point out that helping out does not require special skills or major effort (thus lowering the barrier to entry) 4) you give a step by step instruction of how to get involved (again lowering the barrier to entry) > So Yes I wonder if it's not that it's just easier to pretend it's our > fault Nobody is saying anybody is at fault, which doesn't mean there's no room for improvement. -- Cheers, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) pgpWIPSilGjgg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:47:09PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 02:19:17PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit : > > > The mail you are answering to was against forums, not really against > > the BTS btw. > > Bonsoir Pierre, > > I have lurked a bit on the ubuntu forums, and found "intersting" > threads. For instance, some persons wrote about doing a sort of medical > Ubuntu project, and then realised that debian-med was alive, and wrote > at the end of the thread that being less people with less experience, > they could not do better than us. > > The conclusion I took after reading this is that there are people (often > young) eager to find a niche in which they can be leaders (this is also > how I interpreted one of your previous email). The question is wether we My point was not becoming a local leader, but having a place in the team where my opinion matters. No need to be a leader for that, at all. E.g. I've never ever felt beeing in the place of a leader in the KDE team, there even was nothing like a leader in it. And I shall say, it was, and think still is a very nice team to work with, I enjoyed the people in it a lot. > should try to attract them, and if yes, where and how. Maybe having a > way to quantitatively evaluate bug triaging and giving conditional > access to some reward could for instance motivate untrained persons to > contribute ? The reward can be as simple as using the score to provide > some social status on communauty websites. For instance, in the forums > of Ubuntu, people have more or less brown coffee grains (to suggest that > they are stronger ?). > > I have tried a few fishing experiments when Google brought me on places > dealing with free medical or bioinformatical software, and I have to > admit that for the moment my fish basket is empty. But if it is in > forums and other platforms which we deem sub-optimal there that people > who have energy to spend are, isn't it where Debian should go if it > wants to increase its manpower ? I will continue to do opportunistic > fishing for a while... Any kind of help is welcomed IMHO. Point is, if we _have_ to invest time to fish contributors like you say, those will have to be worth the investment, hence meaning that they should have a high probability to become regular contributors. Youngs people are often enthusiastic, a lot, but I'm not sure this is the kind of people that gets things done either. Note that I don't say it's not worth trying, it's just that I would not do that myself, I _think_ it's too time consuming when you balance it with the gain for debian. I may be wrong. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpoaqwKo0iKO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
Le Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 02:19:17PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit : > The mail you are answering to was against forums, not really against > the BTS btw. Bonsoir Pierre, I have lurked a bit on the ubuntu forums, and found "intersting" threads. For instance, some persons wrote about doing a sort of medical Ubuntu project, and then realised that debian-med was alive, and wrote at the end of the thread that being less people with less experience, they could not do better than us. The conclusion I took after reading this is that there are people (often young) eager to find a niche in which they can be leaders (this is also how I interpreted one of your previous email). The question is wether we should try to attract them, and if yes, where and how. Maybe having a way to quantitatively evaluate bug triaging and giving conditional access to some reward could for instance motivate untrained persons to contribute ? The reward can be as simple as using the score to provide some social status on communauty websites. For instance, in the forums of Ubuntu, people have more or less brown coffee grains (to suggest that they are stronger ?). I have tried a few fishing experiments when Google brought me on places dealing with free medical or bioinformatical software, and I have to admit that for the moment my fish basket is empty. But if it is in forums and other platforms which we deem sub-optimal there that people who have energy to spend are, isn't it where Debian should go if it wants to increase its manpower ? I will continue to do opportunistic fishing for a while... Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wako, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#413842: ITP: ogdi -- A library which implements an API for OGDI, a network-enabled protocol to access raster and vector GIS data respositories
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: ogdi Version : 3.1.5 Upstream Author : Frank Warmerdam et al * URL : http://ogdi.sourceforge.net/ * License : BSD-like Programming Lang: C Description : A library which implements an API for OGDI, a network-enabled protocol to access raster and vector GIS data respositories OGDI is the Open Geographic Datastore Interface. OGDI is an application programming interface (API) that uses a standardized access methods to work in conjunction with GIS software packages (the application) and various geospatial data products. OGDI uses a client/server architecture to facilitate the dissemination of geospatial data products over any TCP/IP network, and a driver-oriented approach to facilitate access to several geospatial data products/formats. -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers unstable APT policy: (990, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-3-686 Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (charmap=ISO-8859-15) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: edit patches in dpkg configuration file dialog
Jean-Christophe Dubacq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 08:53:00PM +0100, Alexander Schmehl wrote: >> > Although this clutters up /etc they could be saved as *.dpkg-last or >> > so. New packages' conffiles can be saved as *.dpkg-new just like dpkg >> > currently does if one chooses not to install the new file. Before a >> > new version is installed *.dpkg-new would be renamed to *.dpkg-last. >> >> ... and they will probably deleted my many admins thinking they are not >> needed. I don't think you can count on leaving them in /etc and finding >> them again. Everyone is free to break his own system. ;-) The consequence would be minimal. dpkg would just fall back to the current behavior. > > And why shouldn't they. If anything, this should belong to > /var/lib/dpkg/ You are right. This is the logical place. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:39:16AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 06 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > And if your point is that the current BTS UI sucks, then well, yes I > > believe it, and it seems one of our DPL candidates thinks the same > > As I've indicated to the DPL candidate who has mentioned this, and > I'll say again: > > If there are specific things about the BTS which you do not like, file > wishlist bugs or clarify existing wishlist bugs for them. One does not > need to be running for DPL to do that. Just complaining about it is > pointless. I know, and I'm not making any reproaches, only stating a fact. I've no time right now to think of a better interface yet. I don't like the lookup interface of our BTS, though I do not like any query interface of any bug tracking system I know. So it's not just making suggestions it's also defining something new, and I've no time for that. The mail you are answering to was against forums, not really against the BTS btw. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpTLKdFLvBR5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Like every packaging team in debian, mailing the [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] depending on how old the team is. Usually that list > > is in the Maintainer or Uploaders field of the control file. > > #debian-$team is also a good place to look. Those things are _obvious_. > > Do you expect potential helpers to search various list archives or > mail maintainers to ask whether they need help? I would guess only no I expect them to contact the teams, and entry points are obvious. Hiding behind the fact that entry points are not waved under their nose and that because of that they can't help is, well, Ubuesque. > > The mails I alluded to earlier (to seek for help) have seen (at least > > for the KDE guys, I'll let the Gnome guys tell you how it worked for > > them) 0 answer. My experience is that RFH bugs works well when Norbert > > put it on vim to ask for co-maitenance or such very interesting software > > to package. But when the job is to deal with KDE bugs, there is really > > less people eager to do the job. > > What does it hurt to file a RFH bug? At least it is a centralized > platform where potential helpers can find out about who need help. > And it is a logical place for that. And the list is posted weekly on > -devel. because that's not one, but 1500, and that would not be very useful to flood RFH that are often specific needs for technicals matters. Here it's manpower missing, RFH seems inapropriate to me. > > Again, I do not appreciate the latent criticism of the big teams to > > hide their understaff problem. It's blatantly bogus hence iritating, > > almost insulting. > > Don't you wonder why it is perceived like that? Yes I do, especially given that in that thread those teams have claimed many times they need help, and that people continue to pretend like it never happened. So Yes I wonder if it's not that it's just easier to pretend it's our fault, than to question onself "wtf didn't I helped before already ?" -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgp7NlVHTQFZ8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#413835: ITP: haskell-zlib -- Haskell library for using gzip and zlib formats
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kari Pahula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: haskell-zlib Version : 0.3 Upstream Author : Duncan Coutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/zlib-0.3 * License : revised BSD Programming Lang: Haskell Description : Haskell library for using gzip and zlib formats This library provides support for compression and decompression in the gzip and zlib formats, using ByteStrings. -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-1-k7 Locale: LANG=C, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (charmap=ISO-8859-15) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#413833: ITP: haskell-binary -- Haskell library for binary serialisation using lazy ByteStrings
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kari Pahula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: haskell-binary Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Lennart Kolmodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/binary-0.2 * License : revised BSD Programming Lang: Haskell Description : Haskell library for binary serialisation using lazy ByteStrings The 'binary' package provides Data.Binary, containing the Binary class, and associated methods, for serialising values to and from lazy ByteStrings. . A key feature of 'binary' is that the interface is both pure, and efficient. -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-1-k7 Locale: LANG=C, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (charmap=ISO-8859-15) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#413827: ITP: hal-info -- device information for HAL
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: hal-info Version : 20070304 Upstream Author : David Zeuthen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/hal-info * License : GPL Description : device information for HAL hal-info will be a requirement of hal-0.5.9 and is maintained within the pkg-utopia team. -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (300, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.20.1 Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#413820: ITP: libpam-krb5-migrate -- pluggable authentication module for migrating to Kerberos
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jelmer Vernooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libpam-krb5-migrate Version : 0.0.5 Upstream Author : Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jelmer Vernooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * License : GPL Description : pluggable authentication module for migrating to Kerberos pam_krb5_migrate is a stackable authentication module that takes a username and password from an earlier module in the stack and attempts to transparently add the user to a Kerberos realm using the Kerberos 5 kadmin service. The module can be used to ease the administrative burdens of migrating a large installed userbase from pre-existing authentication methods to a Kerberos-based setup. -- System Information: Debian Release: 3.1 Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.8-3-k7 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#413822: ITP: samba-gtk -- Set of GTK+ frontends for Samba
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jelmer Vernooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: samba-gtk Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Author : Jelmer Vernooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/SambaGtk * License : GPL Description : Set of GTK+ frontends for Samba A set of GTK+ applications that allow use of SMB- and related protocols. Current tools include a registry editor (local files and remote), DCE/RPC endpoint profiler, remote job planner (at/cron equivalent) and remote service manager. Also contains a shared library with custom GTK+ widgets. -- System Information: Debian Release: 3.1 Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.8-3-k7 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VMware Player packages
Twas brillig at 12:27:07 when Hans Kratz did gyre and gimble: HK> After repeatedly seeing interest in VMware Player packages for HK> Debian I decided to post my work on packaging VMware Player. It HK> should work fine on sarge and sid. Currently only i386 is HK> supported, support for x86-64 is on my TODO list. You'd probably like to join efforts with Marc Haber who maintains vmware-package package in experimental :) -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#413826: ITP: haskell-hlist -- Haskell library for strongly typed heterogeneous collections
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kari Pahula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: haskell-hlist Version : 2.0+darcs20070207 Upstream Author : Oleg Kiselyov, Ralf Lämmel, and Keean Schupke * URL : http://homepages.cwi.nl/~ralf/HList/ * License : MIT/X Programming Lang: Haskell Description : Haskell library for strongly typed heterogeneous collections A heterogeneous collection is a datatype that is capable of storing data of different types, while providing operations for look-up, update, iteration, and others. There are various kinds of heterogeneous collections, differing in representation, invariants, and access operations. . HList is a Haskell library providing strongly typed heterogeneous collections including extensible records. Mainly packaging this because HAppS 0.8.8 depends on this. -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-1-k7 Locale: LANG=C, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (charmap=ISO-8859-15)
VMware Player packages
Hi! After repeatedly seeing interest in VMware Player packages for Debian I decided to post my work on packaging VMware Player. It should work fine on sarge and sid. Currently only i386 is supported, support for x86-64 is on my TODO list. Licensing and distribution: The VMware Player EULA does not allow redistribution. I hope that an agreement can be worked out with VMware Inc. for inclusion in non-free just as for Java. The Debian packaging (in the attached .tar.gz file) is placed under the GPL. Installation: 1) Save the attached archive into a directory of your choice. 2) Download VMware-player-1.0.3-34682.tar.gz from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ and save it into this directory. 3) In this directory do: tar xzf VMware-player-1.0.3-34682.tar.gz cd vmware-player-distrib tar xzf ../vmware-player-1.0.3.34682-debian.tar.gz dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot 4) In the parent directory of this directory do as root: dpkg -i vmware-player-kernel-source_1.0.3.34682-1_i386.deb module-assistant auto-install vmware-player-kernel dpkg -i vmware-player_1.0.3.34682-1_i386.deb 5) Accept the EULA and configure networking. 6) Run vmplayer TODO: - Make VMware Player work on x86-64 systems. - Include more documentation (module-assistant instructions, man pages, etc.) - Set up a publicly accessible VCS repository - Package the free (as in beer) VMware Server and related packages Comments welcome! Best regards Hans vmware-player-1.0.3.34682-debian.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data
Re: edit patches in dpkg configuration file dialog
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 08:53:00PM +0100, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > > Although this clutters up /etc they could be saved as *.dpkg-last or > > so. New packages' conffiles can be saved as *.dpkg-new just like dpkg > > currently does if one chooses not to install the new file. Before a > > new version is installed *.dpkg-new would be renamed to *.dpkg-last. > > ... and they will probably deleted my many admins thinking they are not > needed. I don't think you can count on leaving them in /etc and finding > them again. And why shouldn't they. If anything, this should belong to /var/lib/dpkg/ -- Jean-Christophe Dubacq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
