A tool for tracking masked updates to stable packages

[Marcin Owsiany]

Hi,

I've just started to do research in order to write a tool which I was
always missing. What I have so far is just a brief "background"
information, explaining the problem - see below.

I thought it might be good to ask here if I'm not trying to reinvent
something that already exists. Or maybe someone has some ideas about
this issue?

| Background
| --
| 
| Maintaining Debian stable systems sometimes requires installation of
| unofficial versions of packages:
| 
|  - backporting newer versions, when significant new functionality is
|required on the system but unavailable in the official version found
|in the current stable release. In this case, the version string
|usually sorts as newer than the official stable version string. This
|means that pinning is not necessary, as apt will upgrade such package
|by default.
| 
|  - making local changes to the official version. In this case, the most
|reliable way is to make the version string sort as older than the
|official one (using the "tilde" feature of dpkg) and force
|installation of such package using pinning. (The other strategy:
|trying to invent a version string newer than the current one, but
|older than the next one is difficult to do reliably.)
| 
| In both cases, there is one major drawback: apt will not warn you where
| newer versions of official packages (point releases, security updates)
| will appear in the stable release. This means you may miss some
| important change.
| 
| The point of this document is to design a utility whose job is to do
| exactly this: let you track newer official versions of locally overriden
| packages.
| 

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Bug#494491: ITP: isabelle -- Generic theorem proving environment

[Lionel Elie Mamane]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Lionel Elie Mamane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: isabelle
  Version : 2008
  Upstream Author : University of Cambridge (Larry Paulson), Technische 
Universitaet Muenchen (Tobias Nipkow, Makarius Wenzel)
* URL : http://isabelle.in.tum.de/, 
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/hvg/Isabelle/
* License : 3-clause BSD-like
(non-free documentation)
  Programming Lang: Standard ML
  Description : Generic theorem proving environment

 Features a choice of several ready-to-use logics (Higher Order Logic,
 Higher Order Logic augmented with Scott's Logic for Computable
 Functions, First Order Logic, Zermello-Frankel, an extensional
 version of Martin-Löf Type Theory, Barendregt's Lambda Cube, a few
 sequent calculi (including modal and linear logics), ...) or
 defining your own logic / deductive system, a procedural and a
 declarative proof style, rich automation for classical reasoning,
 equational logic and algebra, LaTeX and X-Symbols notational support.
 .
 Isabelle can also be used as a generic framework for rapid
 prototyping of deductive systems.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.25-2-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=fr_LU.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_LU.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash



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Re: ITP: polyml -- Standard ML implementation

[Lionel Elie Mamane]

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:45:49PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:

> * Package name: polyml
>   Version : 5.2
>   Upstream Author : David Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.polyml.org/index.html
> * License : GPLv2

Sorry, that's LGPLv2.1 or later, not GPL.

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Bug#494488: ITP: polyml -- Standard ML implementation

[Lionel Elie Mamane]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: polyml
  Version : 5.2
  Upstream Author : David Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.polyml.org/index.html
* License : GPLv2
  Programming Lang: Standard ML
  Description : Standard ML implementation

 Poly/ML supports the full version of the language as given in the
 "Definition of Standard ML (Revised)", generally known as ML97.  As
 well as being extremely fast and efficient implementation of Standard
 ML Poly/ML provides several additional features.  There is a foreign
 language interface which allows dynamically linked libraries to be
 loaded and functions within them called from ML.  An X11
 interface using Motif is available.  There is also a symbolic debugger
 for Poly/ML.

Separation into packages:

polyml - toplevel interpreter
 This package provides the toplevel interpreter with integrated make
 system which is needed to build large ML programs.
libpolyml-dev - development file
 This package provides the files needed to compile stand-alone executables
 with Poly/ML.
libpolyml1 - runtime files
 This package provides the files needed to run stand-alone executables
 built with Poly/ML.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.25-2-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=fr_LU.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_LU.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
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Re: cipux-storage_3.4~svn2489-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

[Mark Hymers]

On Sat, 09, Aug, 2008 at 09:14:22PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard spoke thus..
> Could you perhaps, now that I got your attention (he he) process the 
> next cipux packages a little quicker?  I have 6 more packages (each 
> build-depending on each other so cannot go in at once without cheating), 
> and waiting a month for each of them, well, is quite a drag.

You can upload all of them one after the other.  We're usually
intelligent enough to process them as a batch.

Mark

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Re: correct definition of localhost?

[Aurelien Jarno]

On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 06:41:46AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 06:05:20PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > Michael Banck a écrit :
> > > On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:49:04AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > >> There is a bug upstream, but marked as invalid:
> > >>
> > >>   http://sources.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980
> > >>
> > >> According to the upstream developer, there is a rationale for that, but
> > >> he never explained it, despite having been asked numerous times.
> > > 
> > > In his latest reply, the upstream developer said that code got rewritten
> > > since, I have not checked their repository though.
> > 
> > I have just built a version from CVS, and I confirm the bug is fixed.
> > However I failed to find the commit(s) which fixed it, and anyway I
> > doubt it's a single commit. Therefore I don't think we can backport the
> > fix for lenny.
> > 
> > We can try to use the proposed 2.7 patch instead.
> 
> Please open a bug report with severity (at least) important if you
> consider we should fix this bug for lenny. If not, the problem will be
> fixed when we switch to glibc 2.9.
> 

I have been able to identify the patch causing the bug to be fixed in
current glibc CVS. It's the IPv4 and IPv6 unified lookup, which means
the patch is big and not really easy to backport.

Therefore, I will use the proposed patch from the upstream BTS instead,
until we upload glibc 2.9 (for lenny+1)

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Re: cipux-storage_3.4~svn2489-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

[gregor herrmann]

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:06:24 +0200, Vincent Fourmond wrote:

> > I am perfectly aware that libversion-perl is available only as a virtual 
> > package in unstable and testing.  I deliberately chose to use those 
> > virtual packages in order to ease backporting to Debian stable.
>   ftpmasters replied it was a mistake so there's obviously nothing wrong
> with that, but I had the impression that it was always safer to provide
> a real package as an alternative of a virtual one: I don't see where it
> would hurt backporting to use
> 
> libversion-perl | perl-modules (>= 5.10.0-13 -- or whichever version got
> the library in)

We've been using "perl-modules (>= 5.10) | libversion-perl" for a few
packages in the perl group (i.e. putting the real package before the
virtual one).

Cheers,
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Re: cipux-storage_3.4~svn2489-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

[Jonas Smedegaard]

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Hi Vincent,

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 09:06:24PM +0200, Vincent Fourmond wrote:

>Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 04:53:42PM +, Mark Hymers wrote:
>>> This package has been rejected because of the Depend: on 
>>> libversion-perl which is no longer in unstable or testing.  If you 
>>> wish to upload this package, you will either need to not depend on 
>>> it or package and upload libversion-perl.
>> 
>> I am perfectly aware that libversion-perl is available only as a 
>> virtual package in unstable and testing.  I deliberately chose to use 
>> those virtual packages in order to ease backporting to Debian stable.
>> 
>> I was unaware that this practice was unfit for Debian.
>
>  ftpmasters replied it was a mistake so there's obviously nothing 
>wrong with that, but I had the impression that it was always safer to 
>provide a real package as an alternative of a virtual one: I don't see 
>where it would hurt backporting to use
>
>libversion-perl | perl-modules (>= 5.10.0-13 -- or whichever version 
>got the library in)
>
>  Does it make sense ?

Yes, that is certainly more elegant.  Thanks for reminding me!

When looking into it next time, I might do something even better, 
however: hide that irrelevant-for-current-Debian dependency by default 
and enable it only when some custom build flag is set.


I did not mean to claim that build-dependency was most elegant - only 
that I felt it was wrong of ftpmaster to reject it on that basis.  
Which he agreed - so all is well :-)


Kind regards,

  - Jonas

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Re: cipux-storage_3.4~svn2489-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 09:14:22PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> 
> Could you perhaps, now that I got your attention (he he) process the 
> next cipux packages a little quicker?  I have 6 more packages (each 
> build-depending on each other so cannot go in at once without cheating), 
> and waiting a month for each of them, well, is quite a drag.
> 

You can upload to NEW packages that Build-Depend on one another.  I have
done it without issue.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: cipux-storage_3.4~svn2489-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

[Jonas Smedegaard]

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On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 06:38:35PM +0100, Mark Hymers wrote:
>On Sat, 09, Aug, 2008 at 07:26:56PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard spoke thus..
>> I am perfectly aware that libversion-perl is available only as a virtual 
>> package in unstable and testing.  I deliberately chose to use those 
>> virtual packages in order to ease backporting to Debian stable.
>> 
>> I was unaware that this practice was unfit for Debian.
>
>It isn't, I just made a mistake.  I didn't see that libversion-perl was
>provided by perl-modules now (unfortunately the NEW processing scripts
>are rather dumb when it comes to virtual packages) and I managed to miss
>it when searching manually.  Sorry about that.

Phew - I am very relieved to hear that it was just a plain error, not 
some add-on policy thingy.

Could you perhaps, now that I got your attention (he he) process the 
next cipux packages a little quicker?  I have 6 more packages (each 
build-depending on each other so cannot go in at once without cheating), 
and waiting a month for each of them, well, is quite a drag.

If not possible, I'll manage - no hard feelings.  I imagine you must be 
quite busy these days.


>Please re-upload and I'll re-process it.

Done now!


  - Jonas

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Re: cipux-storage_3.4~svn2489-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

[Vincent Fourmond]

  Hello,

Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 04:53:42PM +, Mark Hymers wrote:
>> This package has been rejected because of the Depend: on libversion-perl
>> which is no longer in unstable or testing.  If you wish to upload this
>> package, you will either need to not depend on it or package and upload
>> libversion-perl.
> 
> I am perfectly aware that libversion-perl is available only as a virtual 
> package in unstable and testing.  I deliberately chose to use those 
> virtual packages in order to ease backporting to Debian stable.
> 
> I was unaware that this practice was unfit for Debian.

  ftpmasters replied it was a mistake so there's obviously nothing wrong
with that, but I had the impression that it was always safer to provide
a real package as an alternative of a virtual one: I don't see where it
would hurt backporting to use

libversion-perl | perl-modules (>= 5.10.0-13 -- or whichever version got
the library in)

  Does it make sense ?

  Cheers,

Vincent

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Re: Annoying GTK2 file dialogue - where to file the BUG?

[Sam Morris]

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:12:56 +0200, Rudi Effe wrote:

> (2) there is no option to sort by size or to even display size.
> maybe this must be enabled by the calling app (audacity here) - but
> if this option is not diallowed explicitly, it should be possible to
> add it by the browsing user.

In fact, there is already a bug about this: 

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Re: Annoying GTK2 file dialogue - where to file the BUG?

[Sam Morris]

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:12:56 +0200, Rudi Effe wrote:

> Dear list,
> 
> for some reason, Debian favors Gnome to be the default desktop. My
> reason for using KDE is mainly Gnomes file browser. But as a matter of
> fact, major applications are using the GTK2 libraries (Mozilla,
> Openoffice.org, Gimp, Audacity etc.) - and Opneoffice.org is the only
> one that allows to use the KDE file selector.
> 
> Now, what's wrong with the GTK2 file chooser? I will report a bug if
> anybody could name the package/library I have to refer to.
> 
> Look at this screen shot for instance:
> 
>   http://imagebin.ca/view/wxHN3lH.html
> 
> (1) all entries are displayed twice

This looks like a bug that should be filed at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ 
against the 'gtk+' product.

> (2) there is no option to sort by size or to even display size.
> maybe this must be enabled by the calling app (audacity here) - but
> if this option is not diallowed explicitly, it should be possible to
> add it by the browsing user.

Seems like a useful feature. You should file a bug at http://
bugzilla.gnome.org/ against the 'gtk+' product.

> (3) whenever I tell Mozilla to open a dialogue with a specific app,
> I can (to be quick) enter its path right in the file name box (say:
> /usr/bin/ark). Next time however, the file selector will start
> browsing that directory (/usr/bin) and produce a hang lasting at
> least 4-5 seconds. Suspecting - missing caching
> - slow algorithms
> - bad threading

The problem is that all the files in /usr/bin have MIME detection done on 
them, which takes ages. See  for further details.

> (4) missing eyecandiness: grey and simple icons, no rounded corners,
> dominating dark grey, low percentage of area used for content/
> information (too much frame).

This is simply due to the default GTK+ theme being, well, rubbish. If you 
change your theme to the default GNOME theme then things will look much 
better. You can do this by running gnome-appearance-properties which 
appears to work by fiddling with the values of the gconf keys under
'/desktop/gnome/interface'.


> Regards
> Rudi

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Re: cipux-storage_3.4~svn2489-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

[Mark Hymers]

On Sat, 09, Aug, 2008 at 07:26:56PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard spoke thus..
> I am perfectly aware that libversion-perl is available only as a virtual 
> package in unstable and testing.  I deliberately chose to use those 
> virtual packages in order to ease backporting to Debian stable.
> 
> I was unaware that this practice was unfit for Debian.

It isn't, I just made a mistake.  I didn't see that libversion-perl was
provided by perl-modules now (unfortunately the NEW processing scripts
are rather dumb when it comes to virtual packages) and I managed to miss
it when searching manually.  Sorry about that.

Please re-upload and I'll re-process it.

Mark

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Re: Bug#494043: ITP: ozymandns -- An experimental DNS server and miscellaneous DNS tools

[Steve McIntyre]

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 06:34:46PM -0700, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
>
>I've found that while ozymandns is useful for tunneling some things
>in a pinch, I've had a lot more luck with running iodine as a daemon
>and might suggest checking it out.

Oh, absolutely - that's what I use now and it's much more reliable.

>I tend to favor it for experimentation as it's packaged in sid
>already, is actively maintained, and has support for using the NULL
>RR type allowing much more data to fit in a "downstream" response.

Cool. :-)

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Re: cipux-storage_3.4~svn2489-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

[Jonas Smedegaard]

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Dear ftpmaster (cc debian-devel),

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 04:53:42PM +, Mark Hymers wrote:
>Dear Maintainer,
>
>This package has been rejected because of the Depend: on libversion-perl
>which is no longer in unstable or testing.  If you wish to upload this
>package, you will either need to not depend on it or package and upload
>libversion-perl.

I am perfectly aware that libversion-perl is available only as a virtual 
package in unstable and testing.  I deliberately chose to use those 
virtual packages in order to ease backporting to Debian stable.

I was unaware that this practice was unfit for Debian.

Please enlighten me as to where in Debian Policy it is forbidden to use 
virtual packages as source dependencies - or point me to that 
alternative(!) packaging policy you use for your judgements as 
ftpmasters.


Oh, and those other cipux packages accepted recently does the same, so 
perhaps you should throw those out too. :-P


 - Jonas


P.S.

Please cc me on replies - I am not subscribed to d-devel.

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Re: What is the target used by buildd?

[Steve Langasek]

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 03:31:40PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> buildd calls sbuild, sbuild calls dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg-buildpackage
> calls "clean", "build" and " binary-arch".

That's " clean", of course, which is usually how packages manage to
mangle chroots on buildds that use sudo rather than fakeroot (or simply
FTBFS because their build target can't write to directories created in
clean).

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Re: Annoying GTK2 file dialogue - where to file the BUG?

[Michael Banck]

Dear Rudi,

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 03:12:56PM +0200, Rudi Effe wrote:
> Now, what's wrong with the GTK2 file chooser? I will report a bug if 
> anybody could name the package/library I have to refer to.

This list is for Debian development.  Please write to debian-user for
support on how to figure out the package a particular
file/application/dialog belongs to and/or how to file a bug report.


thanks,

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Re: What is the target used by buildd?

[Goswin von Brederlow]

"Francisco Moya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I believed buildd.debian.org was meant to build only binary-arch packages.
>
> But in recent build logs of the zeroc-ice package:
> http://buildd.debian.org/build.cgi?pkg=zeroc-ice;ver=3.3.0-4
> I found buildd tried to build a binary-indep package (libzeroc-ice-3.3-cil).
>
> Using ./debian/rules binary-arch in a chrooted environment in an x86 box
> works as expected. I made my x86 build log for binary-arch target available at
> http://arco.esi.uclm.es/~francisco.moya/debian/zeroc-ice_3.3.0-4_i386.build
>
> Is this a buildd/sbuild/wanna-peruse bug?
>
> Thanks
>
> Francisco Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

buildd calls sbuild, sbuild calls dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg-buildpackage
calls "clean", "build" and " binary-arch".

MfG
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Annoying GTK2 file dialogue - where to file the BUG?

[Rudi Effe]

Dear list,

for some reason, Debian favors Gnome to be the default desktop.
My reason for using KDE is mainly Gnomes file browser. But as a 
matter of fact, major applications are using the GTK2 libraries
(Mozilla, Openoffice.org, Gimp, Audacity etc.) - and Opneoffice.org is 
the only one that allows to use the KDE file selector.

Now, what's wrong with the GTK2 file chooser? I will report a bug if 
anybody could name the package/library I have to refer to.

Look at this screen shot for instance:

http://imagebin.ca/view/wxHN3lH.html

(1) all entries are displayed twice
(2) there is no option to sort by size or to even display size.
maybe this must be enabled by the calling app (audacity here)
- but if this option is not diallowed explicitly, it should be
possible to add it by the browsing user.

(3) whenever I tell Mozilla to open a dialogue with a specific app,
I can (to be quick) enter its path right in the file name box
(say: /usr/bin/ark). Next time however, the file selector will
start browsing that directory (/usr/bin) and produce a hang
lasting at least 4-5 seconds. Suspecting
- missing caching
- slow algorithms
- bad threading

(4) missing eyecandiness: grey and simple icons, no rounded corners,
dominating dark grey, low percentage of area used for content/
information (too much frame).

Sorry, don't get me wrong - I just wanted to share my personal 
impression of this fun stopper - it's like a hair in a five star soup!

Regards
Rudi


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Bug#494434: ITP: libb-perlreq-perl -- Perl compiler backend to extract Perl dependencies

[Damyan Ivanov]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Damyan Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: libb-perlreq-perl
  Version : 0.6.8
  Upstream Author : Alexey Tourbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/rpm-build-perl/
* License : GPL-2+
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : Perl compiler backend to extract Perl dependencies

B::PerlReq is a backend module for the Perl compiler that extracts
dependencies from Perl source code, based on the internal compiled
structure that Perl itself creates after parsing a program. The output
of B::PerlReq is suitable for automatic dependency tracking.

The upstream distribution is named rpm-build-perl, perhaps because the
author uses it for automatic discovery of dependencies on altlinux,
which is rpm-based.

The Debian package will be named libb-perlreq-perl, after B::PerlReq --
the main module of the distribution.



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Re: dhclient-script, hooks, and changing the environment

[Brian May]

martin f krafft wrote:

Anything else? Do you know of packages that rely on this
functionality? Do you have scripts of your own which modify the
environment? Would you please be so kind as to explain to me what
they do, and help me figure out whether there isn't a better way for
them?
  

My suggestion:

   * Look at any package in unstable that provides files in
 . I suspect this won't be many to
 look at. Check that none of these packages do anything weird.
   * Don't include this (stupid) functionality in netconf.
   * Solve any issues that occur on a case by case basis, e.g. it
 sounds like Theodore Tso's issue can be solved within netconf.
   * Document this somewhere.

I suspect anything that relies on changing environment variables like 
this solves a problem that would better be solved within netconf itself. 
However this is going to have to be determined on a case by case basis.


On my installed system (ok, this is Ubuntu Hardy but I suspect Debian 
will be similar if not identical):


/etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d:

total 12

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1096 2008-03-21 21:56 avahi-autoipd*

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1018 2008-04-03 00:37 debug

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1753 2008-04-03 08:30 samba*


/etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d:

total 16

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1024 2008-04-03 00:37 debug

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  802 2008-03-08 07:37 ntpdate

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1097 2008-03-21 21:56 zzz_avahi-autoipd*

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  333 2007-10-24 00:37 _dhcdbd


At a quick glance none of these appear to change any environment 
variables. They are read-only operations only.


Brian May


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