Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1

2011-09-27 Thread Kees Cook
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 08:17:54AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>   Two hardening features are not enabled by default: PIE and bindnow.
>   If your package supports PIE, you might want to consider enabling it.
>   If the binaries are long running processes like daemons, and as such
>   the startup performance penalty of “bindnow” is acceptable, it might
>   be a good idea to enable it too but only if relro is in effect,
>   although another option might be to just define LD_BIND_NOW=1 on the
>   daemon's environment (for example in the init.d script), in which case
>   the sysadmin can always disable it, something that's not possible with
>   the build option.

Just to be explicit, PIE tends to have small (<1%) performance hits on
register-starved architectures (i386) in most cases, for for certain work
loads (e.g. python) the hit is large (~15%). On architectures with plenty
of registers (amd64) there's virtually no measurable performance hit that
I've seen.

If your package handles 3rd party data of any kind (renders, network
daemons, file parsers, etc), I strongly recommend enabling PIE.

And, if you enable PIE, please enable bindnow too. The start-up
performance hit of bindnow isn't measurable on most architectures. Some
much slower ones can see problems (early ARM).

It's possible that PIE and/or bindnow may be enabled by default for certain
architectures in the future.

If your package is using hardening-wrapper or hardening-includes, you were
effectively using "+pie,+bindnow", so when converting, please continue to
build with PIE and bindnow. :)

Thanks!

-Kees

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Re: Bug#601596: RFH: festival -- General multi-lingual speech synthesis system

2011-09-27 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
The "forbidden" problem is now fixed. So I plan to chgrp packages soon.
I'll use git to make easier migration keeping the history. To have
permissions, you should be added to tts group. For this, please request
to be added. If you cannot git push anymore, it's because perm will have
been changed. So don't worry, only request, you'll be added quickly.

Regards,

Jean-Philippe MENGUAL


Le vendredi 09 septembre 2011 à 17:06 +0200, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL a
écrit :
> Le vendredi 09 septembre 2011 à 20:03 +0800, YunQiang Su a écrit :
> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Kumar Appaiah
> >  wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:33:50AM +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
> > >> Would you found a TTS team?
> > >> and invite all TTS packager to join it?
> > >
> > > This would be the ideal solution. I'd love it for people interested to
> > > come forward in this effort.
> > >
> > done ?
> 
> I'm going to create the team in a few days, as noone in Debian is opposed to 
> it. It'll contain at least festival and speech-tools. Then it'll be needed to 
> contact the various maintainers of speech synthetisers to tell them the group 
> exists and invite them. To know them, only aptitude show and aptitude search 
> can help, it's very fastidious (that's why I cannot do this immediately). But 
> you can start sending a message if you want to some maintainers.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -  
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> 
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Bug#643595: ITP: snes9x -- Cross-platform SNES emulator

2011-09-27 Thread Michael Moorman
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Michael Moorman 

* Package name: snes9x
  Version : 1.53
  Upstream Author : Gary Henderson 
* URL : http://www.snes9x.com
* License : Other
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : Cross-platform SNES emulator

The old snes9x package was removed (#617588) due to being orphaned, and not
being updated in over a year. However, a new upstream release has appeared since
then and I have begun packaging it.

The package seems to be non-free, and was listed in non-free previously.

The current free alternative in Debian is zsnes, but zsnes is also out-of-date
and furthermore is i386 only, whereas snes9x does not have this problem.



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Re: Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Allison Randal
On 09/27/2011 06:39 PM, Alessandro Ghedini wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 05:24:16PM +0100, Allison Randal wrote:
> Quoting from the nqp README:
>> is focused on being a high-level way to create compilers and libraries 
>> for virtual machines (such as the Parrot Virtual Machine)
> 
> It doesn't really sound as intended *only* for Parrot (ok, as of now it
> does support only parrot, but in the future this may change).

The project leads have the intention to port it to other VMs. But,
if/when they do, the packaging will need to distinguish between the
libraries for Parrot and the libraries for other languages. Maybe the
solution is a source package named nqp, with different binary packages
libparrot-nqp, libmono-nqp, etc...

It's worth talking to Patrick about his plans.

> Also, aren't parrot-nqp and nqp different things? (parrot-nqp is currently
> used to build nqp).

NQP has been through several major refactors. This is just the latest
one. It's a bootstrapping compiler, so using a version of itself to
build itself is normal.

Allison


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Re: Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 01:17:10PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> 
> [Alessandro Ghedini]
> > It doesn't really sound as intended *only* for Parrot (ok, as of now it
> > does support only parrot, but in the future this may change).
> > 
> > Also, aren't parrot-nqp and nqp different things? (parrot-nqp is currently
> > used to build nqp).
> 
> Are you saying one of them is nqp and the other is ... not-quite-nqp?

Uh? One of them is nqp and the other is parrot-nqp. I think the actual
name of the latter is nqp-rx [0] when not bundled with parrot.

>From the upstream README:

> Inside of a Parrot installation NQP-rx is known as C.

Cheers

[0] https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx

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Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1

2011-09-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Bernhard R. Link writes ("Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1"):
> CFLAGS and LDFLAGS (and CPPFLAGS and so on) are in my opionion normal
> things to be in a users environment, so a package's rules file should
> in my eyes not depend on them not being set or having any values sensible.

This tells us more about the reliability of your opinion than it does
about build systems.  In general, upstream build systems cannot be
relied on do to anything sane or predictable if they are run with
these variables in the environment.

Ian.


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Re: Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Samuelson

[Alessandro Ghedini]
> It doesn't really sound as intended *only* for Parrot (ok, as of now it
> does support only parrot, but in the future this may change).
> 
> Also, aren't parrot-nqp and nqp different things? (parrot-nqp is currently
> used to build nqp).

Are you saying one of them is nqp and the other is ... not-quite-nqp?


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Re: Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 05:24:16PM +0100, Allison Randal wrote:
> On 09/27/2011 04:38 PM, Alessandro Ghedini wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 04:04:00PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 27 September 2011 14:39:22 Alessandro Ghedini wrote:
> >>> * Package name: nqp
> >>
> >> This "nqp" name is a bit terse. 
> > 
> > That's how it's called. We have many three-letters-acronym packages and I 
> > may be wrong, but "nqp" doesn't sound like a frequently used trio of 
> > letters. 
> > 
> > Anyway, perl-nqp seems quite misleading (perl not quite perl??), 
> > not-quite-perl, may be ok, but still, I'd rather use the upstream name if 
> > possible.
> 
> It seems like 'libparrot-nqp' or 'parrot-nqp' might be the best fit. NQP
> is a parsing/matching library, written for Parrot, intended to be used
> as part of the compiler tool chain for languages implemented on top of
> Parrot. Otherwise, 'libperl-nqp'.

Quoting from the nqp README:

> is focused on being a high-level way to create compilers and libraries 
> for virtual machines (such as the Parrot Virtual Machine)

It doesn't really sound as intended *only* for Parrot (ok, as of now it
does support only parrot, but in the future this may change).

Also, aren't parrot-nqp and nqp different things? (parrot-nqp is currently
used to build nqp).

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Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1

2011-09-27 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Bernd Zeimetz  [110927 15:36]:
> > I'm one of the submitters of one of the bugs which requested this
> > change.  This is a reversion of dpkg to a previous behaviour, and it
> > /un/breaks packages.  Or at least I think it unbreaks much more than
> > it breaks.
>
> ACtually I think that is true - the exported *FLAGS broke various of the
> packages I maintain, mainly due to LDFLAGS breaking the build of Python
> extensions or other kinds of plugins.

CFLAGS and LDFLAGS (and CPPFLAGS and so on) are in my opionion normal
things to be in a users environment, so a package's rules file should
in my eyes not depend on them not being set or having any values sensible.

So while I think dpkg-buildpackage not setting something there which
could cause people to think using the environment in debian/rules for
those is OK is better than dpkg-buildpackage setting them,
I'd consider a dpkg-buildpackage that sets CFLAGS, CPPFLAGS
and LDFLAGS all to "-fyour-rules-file-is-broken" even better.

Bernhard R. Link


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Re: Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Allison Randal
On 09/27/2011 04:38 PM, Alessandro Ghedini wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 04:04:00PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
>> On Tuesday 27 September 2011 14:39:22 Alessandro Ghedini wrote:
>>> * Package name: nqp
>>
>> This "nqp" name is a bit terse. 
> 
> That's how it's called. We have many three-letters-acronym packages and I 
> may be wrong, but "nqp" doesn't sound like a frequently used trio of 
> letters. 
> 
> Anyway, perl-nqp seems quite misleading (perl not quite perl??), 
> not-quite-perl, may be ok, but still, I'd rather use the upstream name if 
> possible.

It seems like 'libparrot-nqp' or 'parrot-nqp' might be the best fit. NQP
is a parsing/matching library, written for Parrot, intended to be used
as part of the compiler tool chain for languages implemented on top of
Parrot. Otherwise, 'libperl-nqp'.

The 'parrot-devel' package currently Provides 'parrot-nqp', which will
have to change if NQP is moving out of the Parrot distribution into a
separate distributed tarball and separate source package.

Allison


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Bug#643566: RFP: python-fudge -- Fudge is a Python module for using fake objects (mocks and stubs) to test real ones.

2011-09-27 Thread Riccardo Magliocchetti

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

--- Please fill out the fields below. ---

   Package name: python-fudge
Version: 1.0.3
Upstream Author: Kumar McMillan 
URL: http://farmdev.com/projects/fudge
License: MIT/X
Description: a python module for using fake objects to test real ones.
 .
 In readable Python code, you declare what methods are available on
 your fake and how they should be called. Then you inject that into
 your application and start testing.
 .
 This declarative approach means you don’t have to record and playback
 actions and you don’t have to inspect your fakes after running code.
 If the fake object was used incorrectly then you’ll see an informative
 exception message with a traceback that points to the culprit.



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Re: Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 04:04:00PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 September 2011 14:39:22 Alessandro Ghedini wrote:
> > * Package name: nqp
> 
> This "nqp" name is a bit terse. 

That's how it's called. We have many three-letters-acronym packages and I 
may be wrong, but "nqp" doesn't sound like a frequently used trio of 
letters. 

Anyway, perl-nqp seems quite misleading (perl not quite perl??), 
not-quite-perl, may be ok, but still, I'd rather use the upstream name if 
possible.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 14:39:22 Alessandro Ghedini wrote:
> * Package name: nqp

This "nqp" name is a bit terse. 

How about naming this package "perl-nqp" or, spell it out and name it "not-
quite-perl" ?

All the best

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Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1

2011-09-27 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 09/24/2011 05:48 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Joey Hess writes ("Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1"):
>> Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>>> * dpkg-buildpackage no longer exports 
>>> CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS/LDFLAGS/CPPFLAGS/FFLAGS
>>
>> | You don't know how many packages are broken or no longer
>> | policy compliant because they were relying on those environment
>> | variables
>>
>> Who said that? Oh, yeah it was you.
>>
>> How are we supposed to deal with packages that have been broken or made
>> policy incompliant by this change to dpkg?
> 
> I'm one of the submitters of one of the bugs which requested this
> change.  This is a reversion of dpkg to a previous behaviour, and it
> /un/breaks packages.  Or at least I think it unbreaks much more than
> it breaks.

ACtually I think that is true - the exported *FLAGS broke various of the
packages I maintain, mainly due to LDFLAGS breaking the build of Python
extensions or other kinds of plugins.

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Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Alessandro Ghedini 

* Package name: nqp
  Version : 0.1~2011.09
  Upstream Author : The NQP Team
* URL : https://github.com/perl6/nqp
* License : Artistic-2.0
  Programming Lang: C, Perl
  Description : Not Quite Perl compiler

Not Quite Perl is a compiler for quickly generating PIR routines from
Perl6-like code. The key feature of NQP is that it's designed to be a very
small compiler (as compared with, say, perl6 or Rakudo) and is focused on being
a high-level way to create compilers and libraries for virtual machines (such
as the Parrot Virtual Machine).
.
Unlike a full-fledged implementation of Perl 6, NQP strives to have as small a
runtime footprint as it can, while still providing a Perl 6 object model and
regular expression engine for the virtual machine.

Note that this is needed by the upcoming version of rakudo. Also, nqp needs 
parrot v3.8.0, yet to be packaged for Debian.



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Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1

2011-09-27 Thread Ian Jackson
I wrote:
> Joey Hess writes ("Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1"):
> > My concern is that we now have a whole history of ill-considered changes
> > to the build flags. To the point that it's possible to argue that every
> > build flag change save one* has been ill-considered. So why are we
> > continuing to add interfaces where the build flags are changed
> > centrally/globally, with the same processes that have not worked before?
> 
> In one sense, yes, we are providing a way to set these flags locally.
  should read globally ^^^
> But the new mechanism will make it much easier to locally override
> such settings (where "locally" means either in the package, in the
> build environment).


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Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1

2011-09-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Joey Hess writes ("Re: Bits from dpkg developers - dpkg 1.16.1"):
> Ian Jackson wrote:
> > It was always completely wrong of dpkg-buildpackage to set these
> > variables.  Source packages are entitled to assume that strange
> > environment variables which cause their tools to do odd things will
> > not be set.
> 
> I'm willing to not worry about the likelihood that many packages added
> or updated over the past few years, while dpkg-buildpackage was forcing
> build flags, will not be built properly optimised now. That seems
> unlikely to completely break many of them, and as you say, forced build
> flags were always wrong, and we may just have to suck it up and deal
> with the breakage to get back to sanity.

Right.  (Also those forced build flags would sometimes cause the build
to break entirely.)

> My concern is that we now have a whole history of ill-considered changes
> to the build flags. To the point that it's possible to argue that every
> build flag change save one* has been ill-considered. So why are we
> continuing to add interfaces where the build flags are changed
> centrally/globally, with the same processes that have not worked before?

In one sense, yes, we are providing a way to set these flags locally.
But the new mechanism will make it much easier to locally override
such settings (where "locally" means either in the package, in the
build environment).

> The build flags interface either needs some sort of compatability
> versioning, or the default build flags need to be specified in policy,
> and only changed with the same care we take with other policy changes
> that can make massive numbers of packages instabuggy.

I agree that we need a good process for testing default build flags
changes before propagating them.  I'm not sure policy is the right
forum, but debian-devel is.  Perhaps the policy should be that we
don't change the default flags without consultation here ?

Ian.


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Bug#643329: ITP: hts-voice-nitech-jp-atr503-m001 -- HTS voice NIT ATR503 M001

2011-09-27 Thread Koichi Akabe
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Koichi Akabe 


* Package name: hts-voice-nitech-jp-atr503-m001
  Version : 1.04
  Upstream Author : Keiichi Tokuda 
* URL : http://open-jtalk.sourceforge.net/
* License : Creative Commons Attribution 3.0
  Description : HTS voice NIT ATR503 M001

HTS voice trained by using the Nitech Japanese Speech Database "NIT
ATR503 M001" is released as a part of Open JTalk. This voice consists
of HMMs trained by using HMM-based Speech Synthesis System (HTS)
version 2.2.



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Bug#643326: ITP: digraphtools -- Python library for working with directed acyclic graphs

2011-09-27 Thread Steven McDonald
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Steven McDonald 

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  Version : 0.2.1
  Upstream Author : David Basden 
* URL : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/digraphtools
* License : BSD
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Python library for working with directed acyclic graphs

Some tools for working with directed acyclic graphs, partial orders and 
topological sorting with Python

digraphtools was written as a lightweight way of using DAGs and partial
ordering to represent, sort and traverse dependency trees.

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[info] - The Arabianization of the Internet - news. September 24, 2011 - 1

2011-09-27 Thread Robert Stacey

Greetings, I trust all is well...

What are the new revolutionary changes across the Arabic domain names and what 
role do they play on the Gulf markets and global e-commerce?

Here are two interesting articles to provide an overview.

Will you grow giant money-trees?
http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/82/62162.html

The gTLD Metamorphosis
http://www.adotas.com/2011/08/the-gtld-metamorphosis/

For a more informative and educational session join us in one of the Webinars.

Here's the link to register.

http://www.aarm.org/info_igtld.html

Robert T. Stacey
President - AARM
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Bug#643324: ITP: profphd -- secondary structure and solvent accessibility predictor

2011-09-27 Thread Laszlo Kajan
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Laszlo Kajan 


* Package name: profphd
  Version : 1.0.35
  Upstream Author : Laszlo Kajan 
* URL : http://rostlab.org/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Perl
  Description : secondary structure and solvent accessibility predictor

Solvent accessibility is predicted by a neural network method rating at a
correlation coefficient (correlation between experimentally observed and
predicted relative solvent accessibility) of 0.54 cross-validated on a set of
238 globular proteins (Rost & Sander, Proteins, 1994, 20, 216-226;
evaluation of accuracy). The output of the neural network codes for 10 states
of relative accessibility. Expressed in units of the difference between
prediction by homology modelling (best method) and prediction at random
(worst method), PROFacc is some 26 percentage points superior to a comparable
neural network using three output states (buried, intermediate, exposed) and
using no information from multiple alignments.
.
Transmembrane helices
in integral membrane proteins are predicted by a system of neural networks.
The shortcoming of the network system is that often too long helices are
predicted. These are cut by an empirical filter. The final prediction
(Rost et al., Protein Science, 1995, 4, 521-533; evaluation of accuracy)
has an expected per-residue accuracy of about 95%. The number of false
positives, i.e., transmembrane helices predicted in globular proteins, is
about 2%.
.
The neural network prediction of transmembrane helices
(PHDhtm) is refined by a dynamic programming-like algorithm. This method
resulted in correct predictions of all transmembrane helices for 89% of the
131 proteins used in a cross-validation test; more than 98% of the
transmembrane helices were correctly predicted. The output of this method
is used to predict topology, i.e., the orientation of the N-term with respect
to the membrane. The expected accuracy of the topology prediction is > 86%.
Prediction accuracy is higher than average for eukaryotic proteins and lower
than average for prokaryotes. PHDtopology is more accurate than all other
methods tested on identical data sets.



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Bug#643323: ITP: profphd-utils -- profphd helper utilities convert_seq and filter_hssp

2011-09-27 Thread Laszlo Kajan
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Laszlo Kajan 


* Package name: profphd-utils
  Version : 1.0.7
  Upstream Author : Laszlo Kajan 
* URL : http://rostlab.org/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Fortran
  Description : profphd helper utilities convert_seq and filter_hssp

The package provides the following binary utilities: convert_seq, filter_hssp.
These are used by prof from the profphd package: a secondary structure,
accessibility and transmembrane helix predictor from Burkhard Rost.



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