Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
On Apr 05, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > I don't trust Linux enough to put my laptop into the bag not checking that > it is indeed suspended. Indeed, about every month my Latitude immediately wakes up after suspend, and when this happen I can only reboot it because it will keep waking up again after every attempt at suspending. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 08:34:44AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > as by that point you've already closed the laptop and are putting it > into your bag I don't trust Linux enough to put my laptop into the bag not checking that it is indeed suspended. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 02:56:04PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > As far as I can tell, for laptop's rebooting is a non-issue mainly > because suspend is not reliable enough to use safely [0] - so they are > rebooted every day. Ergo just fixing bug #744753 would be the cure if > it is indeed the problem - but it doesn't sound like it to me as this > isn't a suspend issue. > > [0] By "not safe" I mean suspend can destroy hardware. Not directly of > course. The first issue is modern laptops have so much DRAM it > can drain the battery overnight, which makes suspend pretty useless > if you are expecting it to reliably save your work. The solution > is put the laptop into hibernate mode if it's been suspended too > long. This works mostly - but it has one disastrous failure mode. > It must wake the laptop up to put it into hibernate mode but > sometimes it doesn't wake successfully. The result is the > motherboard is powered up, the laptop is in the bag with no > ventilation and the thing cooks. If you run into such problems, you want to use pm-suspend-hybrid. In fact, I'd say it should be the default -- it makes suspend (but not resume) slower, which matters jack as by that point you've already closed the laptop and are putting it into your bag, thus you don't give it any attention anymore. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Meow! ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Collisions shmolisions, let's see them find a collision or second ⠈⠳⣄ preimage for double rot13!
Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 02:56:04PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: > As far as I can tell, for laptop's rebooting is a non-issue mainly > because suspend is not reliable enough to use safely [0] - so they are > rebooted every day. Ergo just fixing bug #744753 would be the cure if > it is indeed the problem - but it doesn't sound like it to me as this > isn't a suspend issue. I have a very different perception - It is so rare that i reboot my notebook which travels with me all day that everytime i do i have troubles remembering the 30+ character Luks passphrase. I suspend/resume multiple times a day and thats my current uptime: 07:49:26 up 22 days, 20:04, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.17 And thats a pretty standard Lenovo T420... I dont care about rebooting ... And i havent had the issue that the switch of suspend to hibernate fails. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de UTF-8 Test: The 🐈 ran after a 🐁, but the 🐁 ran away signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
On Wed, 2017-04-05 at 11:18 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Not AFAIK. I would guess that needrestart would need to be promoted > to standard priority and needrestart-session would need to be added > to tasksel's task-desktop package, or to each of the task-*-desktop > packages; this adds wxWidgets to the default install though. The > latter would allow different desktops to add different > implementations, for example if someone wrote a GNOME Shell extension > to highlight windows of applications that need restarting. The original thread HN thread that trigged this was more about personal machines, ie laptops and tablets. That is were I'm coming from anyway. As it happens, Steve McIntyre was looking at the server side and specifically excluded laptop's from his auto install security patch deliberations, so nominally there isn't an overlap. As far as I can tell, for laptop's rebooting is a non-issue mainly because suspend is not reliable enough to use safely [0] - so they are rebooted every day. Ergo just fixing bug #744753 would be the cure if it is indeed the problem - but it doesn't sound like it to me as this isn't a suspend issue. The itch I'm trying scratch is I've convinced some co-workers to ditch Windows for Linux. All our infrastructure and development is done under Linux, so it makes sense. For the most part it works very well, apart from the 3 issues I raised earlier. Fortunately they don't use the tablet mode and they don't have HDPI displays, so they aren't issues for them. But the not installing security updates thing means I have to remember do it for them. [0] By "not safe" I mean suspend can destroy hardware. Not directly of course. The first issue is modern laptops have so much DRAM it can drain the battery overnight, which makes suspend pretty useless if you are expecting it to reliably save your work. The solution is put the laptop into hibernate mode if it's been suspended too long. This works mostly - but it has one disastrous failure mode. It must wake the laptop up to put it into hibernate mode but sometimes it doesn't wake successfully. The result is the motherboard is powered up, the laptop is in the bag with no ventilation and the thing cooks. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:47 AM, Sean Whitton wrote: > Do you know if anyone is working on including this in the default > desktop install? If it works well, it seems like an uncontroversial > inclusion that does not depend on the debate over unattended-upgrades. > I don't know which package would need to be changed, so I'm not sure > where to look for an existing wishlist bug. Not AFAIK. I would guess that needrestart would need to be promoted to standard priority and needrestart-session would need to be added to tasksel's task-desktop package, or to each of the task-*-desktop packages; this adds wxWidgets to the default install though. The latter would allow different desktops to add different implementations, for example if someone wrote a GNOME Shell extension to highlight windows of applications that need restarting. One important downside of needrestart/needrestart-session/systemd is that it can't automatically restart systemd user services and root systemctl can't restart user services, even via su/sudo and needrestart-session doesn't restart them AFAIK. I guess this should be fixed by needrestart-session doing restarts (or stops for RefuseManualStart=true) of user services when requested to start via the dbus call, plus adding a restart/stop button for processes corresponding to user services. Another downside of needrestart is that a lot of stuff doesn't support being restarted sanely, like dbus, display managers, networking stuff, /etc/rc.local, etc. There is a blacklist for that but it doesn't yet include rc.local (#852864): https://sources.debian.net/src/needrestart/2.11-2/ex/needrestart.conf/#L79 -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
Hello Paul, On Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 08:10:44AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Sean Whitton wrote: > > > Fixing #744753 would ensure systems got the updates. > > The only issue then is restarting the applications. > > needrestart and needrestart-session handles that. There are also many > other implementations but needrestart seems to be the most complete > solution right now. Do you know if anyone is working on including this in the default desktop install? If it works well, it seems like an uncontroversial inclusion that does not depend on the debate over unattended-upgrades. I don't know which package would need to be changed, so I'm not sure where to look for an existing wishlist bug. -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Bug#859507: ITP: r-cran-lexrankr -- extractive summarization of text with the LexRank algorithm
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andreas Tille * Package name: r-cran-lexrankr Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Author : Adam Spannbauer * URL : https://cran.r-project.org/package=lexRankr * License : MIT Programming Lang: R Description : extractive summarization of text with the LexRank algorithm An R implementation of the LexRank algorithm implementing stochastic graph-based method for computing relative importance of textual units for Natural Language Processing. We test the technique on the problem of Text Summarization (TS). Extractive TS relies on the concept of sentence salience to identify the most important sentences in a document or set of documents. Salience is typically defined in terms of the presence of particular important words or in terms of similarity to a centroid pseudo-sentence. Remark: This package will be maintained by the Debian Med team since it might be useful for the epidemiology task. The maintenance will be done at svn://anonscm.debian.org/debian-med/trunk/packages/R/r-cran-lexrankr/trunk/
Bug#859506: ITP: seqsero -- Salmonella serotyping from genome sequencing data
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andreas Tille * Package name: seqsero Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Shaokang Zhang (zsk...@uga.edu) and Xiangyu Deng (xd...@uga.edu) * URL : https://github.com/denglab/SeqSero * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Description : Salmonella serotyping from genome sequencing data SeqSero is a pipeline for Salmonella serotype determination from raw sequencing reads or genome assemblies. . SeqSero is a novel tool for determining Salmonella serotypes using high- throughput genome sequencing data. SeqSero is based on curated databases of Salmonella serotype determinants (rfb gene cluster, fliC and fljB alleles) and is predicted to determine serotype rapidly and accurately for nearly the full spectrum of Salmonella serotypes (more than 2,300 serotypes), from both raw sequencing reads and genome assemblies. The performance of SeqSero was evaluated by testing 1. raw reads from genomes of 308 Salmonella isolates of known serotype 2. raw reads from genomes of 3,306 Salmonella isolates sequenced and made publicly available by GenomeTrakr, a U.S. national monitoring network operated by the Food and Drug Administration; and 3. 354 other publicly available draft or complete Salmonella genomes. SeqSero can help to maintain the well-established utility of Salmonella serotyping when integrated into a platform of WGS-based pathogen subtyping and characterization. Remark: This package will be maintained by the Debian Med team at https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-med/seqsero.git
Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
On 03.04.2017 07:52, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 3 avril 2017 10:10 +1000, Russell Stuart : > >> The first is better HDPI handling. This will require Wayland as X11 >> simply can't handle connecting to monitors with wildly different DPI >> settings. > > The current limitation is in the toolkits. X11 is quite able to > advertise different DPI per output through XSETTINGS. GTK is able to > grab Xft/DPI and use it for scaling (even for non-font stuff, though it > will prefer to use Gdk/UnscaledDPI if available). GTK will watch the > value and update the application if it changes. Applications can also > subscribe to notifications for this value. > > While XSETTINGS can handle several screens, GTK only tracks one settings > window and doesn't handle applications switching from one screen to > another. > > Also, Ubuntu is now defaulting to Mir and the story doesn't seem better > here since people are still requesting a better HiDPI support. I suppose > that if support was implemented for Mir, it should be possible to make > it work with X11 as well. Mir is not used by default on Ubuntu desktop, not yet anyway. Unity7 does support HiDPI scaling and defaults to scale factor 2.0 on this 3200x1800 laptop, while I personally prefer to change it to 1.5..
Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
On 2017-04-03.06:52, Vincent Bernat wrote: > While XSETTINGS can handle several screens, GTK only tracks one settings > window and doesn't handle applications switching from one screen to > another. According to this interesting post[0] in response to the original Hacker News thread, per-screen scaling in GTK is solved under Wayland. [0] https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/04/03/hackernews-feedback-on-what-they-want-from-their-desktop-we-got-it/ -- Regards, Scott. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#859497: ITP: libqtaccountsservice -- Qt-style API for AccountsService DBus interface
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jan Luca Naumann * Package name: libqtaccountsservice Version : 0.7.0 Upstream Author : Pier Luigi Fiorini * URL : https://github.com/lirios/qtaccountsservice * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : Qt-style API for AccountsService DBus interface This library provides a Qt-style API to use freedesktop.org's AccountsService DBus service. For more information see description of AccountsService under http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/AccountsService
