Re: Idea: frontend tool for more efficient license reviewing based on tree-structured IR

2020-01-03 Thread Michael Lustfield
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 13:49:18 +
Mo Zhou  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 04:00:33PM -0600, Michael Lustfield wrote:
> > I started a similar effort when I first became a trainee. Unfortunately, a 
> > lot
> > of our non-trainees seem to be burned out, which means no reviews, and no
> > reviews means a lack of confidence in whatever system I'm building.  
> 
> Is it published somewhere?

Not really... What I have is more a specification than anything.
It's pretty long-winded, so I'll send it to you directly (and anyone else 
interested).

-- 
Michael Lustfield



Accepted help2man 1.47.12 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Brendan O'Dea
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Accepted go-dep 0.5.4-3 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Anthony Fok
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Changed-By: Anthony Fok 
Closes: 948001
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Accepted python-changelog 0.4.2-2 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Sandro Tosi
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Changed-By: Sandro Tosi 
Closes: 937642
Changes:
 python-changelog (0.4.2-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Ondřej Nový ]
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Accepted sphinx-paramlinks 0.3.5-2 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Sandro Tosi
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Maintainer: Debian Python Modules Team 

Changed-By: Sandro Tosi 
Closes: 938543
Changes:
 sphinx-paramlinks (0.3.5-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Dmitry Shachnev ]
   * Update Homepage: upstream moved from BitBucket to GitHub.
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   [ Ondřej Nový ]
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Bug#948113: ITP: golang-github-checkpoint-restore-go-criu -- CRIU bindings for Golang

2020-01-03 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Dmitry Smirnov 
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, 
pkg-go-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Control: affects -1 src:runc
Control: block 930440 by -1

   Package name: golang-github-checkpoint-restore-go-criu
Version: 3.11
License: Apache-2.0 and GPL-2
URL: https://github.com/checkpoint-restore/go-criu
Vcs-Browser: 
https://salsa.debian.org/go-team/packages/golang-github-checkpoint-restore-go-criu
Description: CRIU bindings for Golang
 Golang bindings for CRIU. The code is based on the Golang-based PHaul
 implementation from the CRIU repository.
 .
 Golang bindings provide an easy way to use the CRIU RPC calls from Golang
 without the need to set up all the infrastructure to make the actual RPC
 connection to CRIU.


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Accepted redmine-plugin-pretend 1.0-1 (source) into experimental

2020-01-03 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
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Changed-By: Dmitry Smirnov 
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 redmine-plugin-pretend (1.0-1) experimental; urgency=medium
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Thomas" == Thomas Goirand  writes:

Thomas> On 1/3/20 7:31 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Thomas> explore and develop alternate init systems and alternatives to 
systemd
Thomas> features."

Thomas> Exploring alternatives is precisely what I'm doing. The same way 
I've
Thomas> felt harassed when I did the original porting of OpenRC to 1/ 
Debian,
Thomas> then 2/ kFreeBSD, then 3/ Hurd, I do feel like everyone is rushing 
into
Thomas> me for no reasons. Could you please stop doing that, both you and 
Sam,
Thomas> and instead, help me with deciding how both implementation can 
cohexist?

I tried to help break apart the exploring alternatives stuff earlier and
give concrete suggestions.

I see several cases:

1) You want to in limited circumstances test  opentmpfiles and
opensysusers as a replacement for systemd-tmpfiles on Linux--you want to
explore opentmpfiles or opensysusers in the terms of Proposal B.

My recommendation is use dpkg-divert..

You minimize impact to people not involved in your exploration.
You make it clear that it is exploratory.



2) You want an implementation of sysusers and tmpfiles on non-linux
platforms.

My recommendation is build using the systemd names and track the systemd
feature set as closely as you can


3) You want a platform on which to experiment with new features in
tmpfiles or sysusers that are different from systemd (or to experiment
with different triggering mechanisms or whatever)-- in the terms of
Proposal B, you're developing an alternative to a systemd feature.


You should use different names both for  /etc/tmpfiles.d and for the
binary to run them (and same for sysusers).
Your packages should be co-installable.
You might want your own dh targets etc.

Opt in should effectively be per-package not per-system.

4) You want an implementation of tmpfiles to  use that is compatible
with systemd for init systems other than systemd

Either work with maintainers to get tmpfiles split out from the systemd
package or work with I'm not really sure who to get systemd and elogind
co-installable.
Then use systemd-tmpfiles.

5) You want a way to use an implementation other than systemd's on linux
for non-experimental purposes.

That's not exploration or development.
At that point, I think Debian should evaluate whether what you're doing
makes sense.
I currently don't think it does.

I think it's fine for Debian to say we don't need that.
Right now, given  that you have option 1 and 3 above, I think that's
fine.

If you find some huge advantage in an alternate implementation--lets say
opentmpfiles is more secure, uses less power, and runs faster--then you
can come back and report the results of your exploration.  And at that
point I'll probably change my mind and either suggest we should move
entirely to opentmpfiles or pay the cost to support alternatives.

My reading of Proposal B is that the explorations and development you
want to do need to be possible.
They don't have to be hugely elegant, and we don't have to support them
in production.

We do need to support enough integration that other people can do their
explorations/development.
So, the fact that we don't have a solution for alternate inits with
tmpfiles or sysusers is a bug we need to fix.
My preference to fix that bug is to split out tmpfiles and sysusers from
systemd based on what I know today.
Other solutions like an implementation that conflicts with systemd are
possible; I think they are technically inferior choices to letting
people explore and develop alternate inits while providing the tmpfiles
and sysusers systemd features.

--Sam



Accepted opensc 0.20.0-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Eric Dorland
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 19:33, Simon McVittie wrote:

> On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 at 18:07:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> What I'm concerned about is dbus socket activation, or similar,
>> leading to e.g. logind getting activated by logging in at the text
>> console.
>> 
>> I thought I understood that socket activation via dbus was one of
>> the features which didn't require systemd as PID-1 to function.
> 
> I think you're confused. I don't think "socket activation via dbus" 
> has ever been a thing that existed.

I will certainly take your word for that. That it was a thing is an
understanding I acquired over the course of reading previous
mailing-list discussions (both contentious and otherwise), and in
examining the idea more closely over the course of this conversation
I've begun to notice some things that don't seem quite right about it
anyway.

> Socket activation is a systemd feature resembling inetd



Thanks for the explanation.

> D-Bus activation is a D-Bus feature where instead of starting a
> D-Bus service (another sort of daemon) "eagerly" in case it might be
> needed, the dbus-daemon starts that D-Bus service "lazily" the first
> time some other program sends a message to it.

This sounds like the feature I was thinking of. I think I understood
that the way this message got from the originating program to D-Bus (and
thence to the service, once running) was by way of a socket which would
/ should be owned by that service, much as you describe for systemd's
socket-activation feature, and that automatic "lazy" activation of the
service by D-Bus in this way was therefore called D-Bus socket activation.

This may itself be based on some confused understandings of some of the
terms involved. If so, please don't feel obliged to spend your time
explaining them; although I'd be glad to learn, I'm sure you have more
productive things to do.



> Some of systemd's smaller daemons, like logind, are activatable
> D-Bus services, so in principle they could be started by dbus-daemon
> via traditional activation. However, the "program to execute" in the
> D-Bus service definition is set to /bin/false, so they cannot
> actually be activated successfully unless dbus-daemon was told to
> carry out systemd activation, which only happens on systems where
> systemd is pid 1.

That clarifies much. Thank you for the explanation!

>> it also appears to leave systemd-the-package as much less useful to
>> install without systemd-sysv
> 
> The systemd binary package is useful for systemd-tmpfiles, 
> systemd-sysusers, controlling a container or 
> system-image-under-construction that *does* boot with systemd 
> (systemctl --root=/mnt/otherdevice), or booting with
> init=/bin/systemd as a non-default option. Other than that, you're
> correct to say that systemd-sysv is the package that actually
> provides services (pid 1, logind, journald, etc.).

All of these (except the system-image-under-construction) are part of
what I had in mind when saying "much less useful" rather than "useless".
Thanks for listing them, though!

>> (I wonder if maybe I had libpam-systemd installed at the time, and
>> that was what was triggering logind to run? It's possible that this
>> may have been back before that couldn't be installed without
>> systemd-sysv
> 
> I suspect you were using libpam-systemd in combination with
> systemd-shim. The entire point of systemd-shim was that it would run
> systemd-logind on systems that did not have systemd as pid 1. This
> turned out to be unsupportable and it was removed.

That sounds right, yes. I was surprised to find out just how much that
I'd thought would grow dependencies on systemd-logind, and hence become
unusable without the behavior changes which come along with logind, did
not actually do so.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Simon McVittie
On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 at 18:07:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> What I'm concerned about is dbus socket activation, or similar, leading
> to e.g. logind getting activated by logging in at the text console.
> 
> I thought I understood that socket activation via dbus was one of the
> features which didn't require systemd as PID-1 to function.

I think you're confused. I don't think "socket activation via dbus"
has ever been a thing that existed.

Socket activation is a systemd feature resembling inetd, where instead
of starting a daemon (let's say a web server) that listens on a port (let's
say TCP port 80), systemd starts listening on port 80 on behalf of the
web server, and doesn't actually run the web server itself yet. Later,
when a client connects to that socket, systemd starts the web server
and hands over the listening socket to it, the web server accepts the
client's connection and everything continues as usual.

Perhaps confusingly, on machines where systemd is pid 1, the dbus-daemon
is one of many services that makes use of socket activation: it
configures systemd to listen on the well-known AF_UNIX socket for the
system dbus-daemon, and hand over to the actual dbus-daemon the first
time there is a client. (The relevant files are dbus.socket and
dbus.service, if you're interested.)

D-Bus activation is a D-Bus feature where instead of starting a D-Bus
service (another sort of daemon) "eagerly" in case it might be needed,
the dbus-daemon starts that D-Bus service "lazily" the first time some
other program sends a message to it. dbus-daemon can either do this
directly as its own child process, which is portable to all reasonable
Unix platforms (this is called "traditional activation"); or on systemd
systems, if the D-Bus service definition includes the name of a systemd
unit, dbus-daemon can start it indirectly, by asking systemd to start
that unit (this is "systemd activation"). systemd activation is preferred
where supported, because systemd was designed to be a service manager,
whereas dbus-daemon is an IPC broker with some very basic service
management bolted onto the side.

Both of those lazy-loading mechanisms (socket activation and D-Bus
activation) let services start with greater parallelization and fewer
explicit dependencies, and they are particularly useful in situations
where service A can be configured in a way that makes it depend on
service B (but does not always), and service B can be configured in
a way that makes it depend on service A (but does not always). In a
traditional linearly-ordered boot process like sysv-rc, there would be no
correct order in which to start A and B, so Debian would have to choose
one configuration to allow, and deliberately break the other one (for
example if we chose to start A before B, then configuring A to depend on
B while configuring B to not depend on A can't work). With activation,
as long as you don't try to configure each of A and B to depend on the
other at the same time (which obviously can't work), either way round
works equally well.

Some of systemd's smaller daemons, like logind, are activatable D-Bus
services, so in principle they could be started by dbus-daemon via
traditional activation. However, the "program to execute" in the D-Bus
service definition is set to /bin/false, so they cannot actually be
activated successfully unless dbus-daemon was told to carry out systemd
activation, which only happens on systems where systemd is pid 1.

There has been a proposal to adjust the syntax of D-Bus service
definitions so that they can say "if systemd is pid 1, activate via
systemd unit foo.service, else behave as though this activatable
service didn't exist", rather than having to use Exec=/bin/false as a
workaround. I'll probably implement that at some point, and logind will
probably be one of the first services to use it.

> it also appears to leave systemd-the-package
> as much less useful to install without systemd-sysv

The systemd binary package is useful for systemd-tmpfiles,
systemd-sysusers, controlling a container or
system-image-under-construction that *does* boot with systemd
(systemctl --root=/mnt/otherdevice), or booting with init=/bin/systemd
as a non-default option. Other than that, you're correct to say that
systemd-sysv is the package that actually provides services (pid 1,
logind, journald, etc.).

> (I wonder if maybe I had libpam-systemd installed at the time, and that
> was what was triggering logind to run? It's possible that this may have
> been back before that couldn't be installed without systemd-sysv

I suspect you were using libpam-systemd in combination with systemd-shim.
The entire point of systemd-shim was that it would run systemd-logind
on systems that did not have systemd as pid 1. This turned out to be
unsupportable and it was removed.

smcv



Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Sa., 4. Jan. 2020 um 00:16 Uhr schrieb Russ Allbery :
>
> The Wanderer  writes:
>
> > What I'm concerned about is dbus socket activation, or similar, leading
> > to e.g. logind getting activated by logging in at the text console.
>
> > I thought I understood that socket activation via dbus was one of the
> > features which didn't require systemd as PID-1 to function.
>
> It may be that the user service manager in systemd supports D-Bus socket
> activation, but none of the user services provided in the systemd package
> seem to start logind, so I don't think you'll get that service started
> that way.  I'm only seeing systemd-exit and systemd-tmpfiles.
>
> Also, I'm not sure what would start the user service manager if you're not
> running systemd as PID 1.

Indeed. Looking through the large set of binaries and interfaces
provided by the systemd package, I do wonder though: One of the points
of the systemd project is to actually provide interfaces applications
and the OS can rely on being present. For that matter, it simply
doesn't make sense to split up the systemd package, as it makes
maintenance harder and may only introduce issues. At the same time
though, the usecase of containers and minimal chroots exists, where
you sometimes want to save as much space as possible and where you
will never ever run a full initsystem / service manager.
The systemd maintainers already split out machinectl and nspawn into
their own systemd-container package, as it's not needed in every
configuration.

Potentially, splitting out the bare minimum binaries to run a Debian
system in a container setting / minimal chroot makes sense for the
Debian systemd maintainers. This, coincidentally, would also put users
of other init systems at ease. I believe by approaching the problem
that way, there may actually be a possibility for mutually beneficial
synergies here.
Looking through the postinst scripts and contents of the systemd
package, I am very certain that it won't suddenly run anything if
you're not already on a systemd-as-PID1 system. So having it should be
safe for alternative initsystems (however, note that I haven't tested
that).

The systemd package currently (244-3) contains the following utilities[1]:

## (mostly) User-invoked CLI tools
Those are components usually invoked by a human, but may be used in
scripts as well.
 * journalctl: Read the system journal, if available (otherwise does nothing)
 * loginctl: Control login sessions, logind related stuff
 * systemctl: Control system services / system state
 * systemd-escape: Escape strings for usage in systemd unit names
 * systemd-inhibit: Execute a program with an inhibition lock taken
(e.g. prevent sleep/idle)
 * bootctl: Control the firmware and boot manager settings
 * busctl: Introspect the bus (D-Bus)
 * hostnamectl: Control system hostname and related stuff
 * kernel-install: Add and remove kernel and initramfs images to and from /boot
 * localectl: Change system locale
 * timedatectl: Modify system time/date
 * resolvectl: Introspect and reconfigure the DNS resolver
 * systemd-analyze: Analyze and debug system manager (only useful if
systemd is PID1)
 * systemd-cat: Connect a pipeline or program's output with the journal
 * systemd-cgls: Recursively show control group contents
 * systemd-cgtop: Show top control groups by their resource usage
 * systemd-delta: Find overridden configuration files
 * systemd-id128: Generate and print sd-128 identifiers
 * systemd-mount, systemd-umount: Establish and destroy transient
mount or auto-mount points
 * systemd-path: List and query system and user paths
 * systemd-run: Run programs in transient scope units, service units,
or path-, socket-, or timer-triggered service units (needs the service
manager to be PID1)
 * systemd-socket-activate: Test socket activation of daemons

## Systemd core components
These components are usually invoked by scripts, but may be used by
humans as well.
 * systemd: PID1
 * systemd-ask-password: Query for a root password, e.g. when a
bootsplash is active. Possibly useful w/o sd PID1
 * systemd-machine-id-setup - Initialize the machine ID in /etc/machine-id
 * systemd-notify: Notify service manager about start-up completion
and other daemon status changes
 * systemd-sysusers: Allocate system users and groups
 * systemd-tmpfiles: Creates, deletes and cleans up volatile and
temporary files and directories
 * systemd-tty-ask-password-agent: List or process pending systemd
password requests

 * systemd-detect-virt: Detect execution in a virtualized environment
 * systemd-stdio-bridge: STDIO or socket-activatable proxy to a given
DBus endpoint.

## Daemons
Some of them are enabled by default, some of them are optional and
have to be activated by the users, some of them (like journald) run in
modes which actually only forward data to other preexisting services
by default (rsyslog) unless instructed otherwise by the user.
None of those are run on systemd where systemd isn't PID1, because all
of 

Accepted limnoria 2020.01.01-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Unit 193
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2020-01-03 Thread Federico Ceratto
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Maintainer: FreedomBox packaging team 

Changed-By: Federico Ceratto 
Closes: 937230
Changes:
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   [ Debian Janitor ]
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Accepted git 1:2.25.0~rc1+next.20200102-1 (source) into experimental

2020-01-03 Thread Jonathan Nieder
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Simon McVittie
On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 at 14:43:48 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> The Wanderer  writes:
> > If I recall and understand correctly, installing systemd-the-package
> > will result in at least some of the daemons therein [being run]
> 
> This is the bit that I'm fairly sure is not the case.
> 
> All of the native systemd facilities are started via systemd units.  If
> systemd is not running as PID 1, nothing is going to load or act on the
> systemd units.  Therefore, nothing will start those services.

The three cases where this might not hold are:

* You have something that is specifically running one of systemd's
  various smaller daemons, like the way systemd-shim arranged for
  systemd-logind to run (and pretended to be the systemd "manager" - the
  actual init system - so that systemd-logind worked, at least partially).
  Now that systemd-shim has been removed, I don't think this case exists.

* One of systemd's smaller daemons is designed to run even on non-systemd
  systems, and so has an LSB init script as well as a native systemd unit.
  I think the only one in this situation is udev, which used to be a
  separate source package before becoming part of the systemd source
  package, and is already in its own separate binary package so it can
  be installed or removed independently.

* You install another init system that systematically runs systemd service
  units, either directly or by generating its own equivalent of service
  units: this would look a lot like the way systemd generates systemd
  services from LSB init scripts, but in reverse. I don't think this
  exists yet.

  If this happens, it will definitely need a mechanism to "mask" unsuitable
  units, such as those that are known to encode systemd assumptions, rely
  on systemd features that it doesn't implement, or have a better or more
  native way to work in the other init system - just like the way systemd
  "masks" LSB init scripts that have an equivalent systemd unit or are
  otherwise not suitable to be run under systemd, but in reverse.

  It will probably also need some more general rules or heuristics,
  like perhaps skipping early-boot systemd units (those with
  DefaultDependencies=no) because those are more likely to have
  systemd-specific behaviour and less likely to be compatible with
  other init systems. Again, this is the inverse of the way systemd's
  LSB init script compatibility layer in recent versions acts on
  /etc/rc[2-5].d (late boot) but ignores /etc/rcS.d (early boot).

  I suspect you'd find that all or nearly all of the units provided by
  the systemd binary package would be unsuitable to be run by the other
  init system, and would need to be either masked or excluded by a rule.

> (Splitting doesn't avoid the library dependency problem that currently
> causes problems with elogind, since I believe the programs in question
> also depend on that shared library.)

Actually...

systemd has a public shared library with a stable API, libsystemd0,
and a separate private shared library that is tightly coupled to the
contents of the systemd package, libsystemd-shared-${version}.so. If I
understand correctly, the systemd daemons and helper executables are
mostly (all?) linked to the private library, and are not linked to
the public library at all: the private library has its own copies of
some of the same functions that are in libsystemd0's ABI, for example
sd_uid_is_on_seat(). Certainly that seems to be true for -tmpfiles
and -sysusers.

(The practical effect is the same as if -tmpfiles and -sysusers were
statically linked to the shared systemd code that they need, but the
use of a private shared library makes them smaller than if that had
been done.)

If that's true in general, then the systemd binary package might not
actually need to depend on libsystemd0 at all; or failing that, it
might be feasible to split out -tmpfiles, -sysusers and possibly others
into a systemd-bin package that contains the private library and those
executables, and does not depend on libsystemd0. If that split took
place, systemd would depend on systemd-bin (= ${binary:Version}).

smcv



Accepted git 1:2.25.0~rc1-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Jonathan Nieder
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Accepted python-paho-mqtt 1.5.0-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Sebastian Reichel
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2020-01-03 Thread David Prévot
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Accepted php-http-httplug 2.1.0-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread David Prévot
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Accepted php-httpful 0.3.0-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread David Prévot
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer  writes:

> What I'm concerned about is dbus socket activation, or similar, leading
> to e.g. logind getting activated by logging in at the text console.

> I thought I understood that socket activation via dbus was one of the
> features which didn't require systemd as PID-1 to function.

It may be that the user service manager in systemd supports D-Bus socket
activation, but none of the user services provided in the systemd package
seem to start logind, so I don't think you'll get that service started
that way.  I'm only seeing systemd-exit and systemd-tmpfiles.

Also, I'm not sure what would start the user service manager if you're not
running systemd as PID 1.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 17:43, Russ Allbery wrote:

> The Wanderer  writes:
> 
>> If I recall and understand correctly, installing
>> systemd-the-package will result in at least some of the daemons
>> therein - including both systemd itself, and systemd-logind - being
>> set up to run automatically in the correct contexts (whether by
>> scripted invocation set up by a package, or by socket activation,
>> or by some other means), in such a way that they will generally
>> wind up running even on a computer where systemd-the-daemon is not
>> the init system. I'm currently digging through the result of
>> 'apt-get source systemd', and I haven't yet managed to either
>> confirm or refute this with certainty.
> 
> This is the bit that I'm fairly sure is not the case.
> 
> All of the native systemd facilities are started via systemd units.
> If systemd is not running as PID 1, nothing is going to load or act
> on the systemd units.  Therefore, nothing will start those services.

What I'm concerned about is dbus socket activation, or similar, leading
to e.g. logind getting activated by logging in at the text console.

I thought I understood that socket activation via dbus was one of the
features which didn't require systemd as PID-1 to function.

> This may be a concern in some future in which there are multiple
> init systems that interpret and act on systemd units, but this is not
> yet the case.  That will be an integration worry that we'll have to
> tackle should that be the case in the future, but I don't think it's
> a concern right now.

That does ease my mind about this somewhat, then.

It also leaves me confused about how these daemons were getting started
back when I was experimenting with this, to provide the side effects
which I (half-)remember seeing, since I definitely wasn't running
systemd as the init system; it also appears to leave systemd-the-package
as much less useful to install without systemd-sysv. But my confusion
about the past should not impede us acting in the present with regard to
the future.

(I wonder if maybe I had libpam-systemd installed at the time, and that
was what was triggering logind to run? It's possible that this may have
been back before that couldn't be installed without systemd-sysv, and
before I wound up giving up and removing it.)

>> Again if I recall correctly, there were some behaviors which arose
>> from having logind running in a non-systemd-as-init-system
>> environment which the maintainers did not consider something which
>> they would need to fix but which I found undesirable.
> 
> Possibly you're thinking of the problem that Sam pointed out, which
> is that the systemd package depends on libsystemd0 which currently 
> effectively conflicts with elogind, and therefore you can't install 
> elogind and the systemd package simultaneously?

No - at the point when I was experimenting with this, elogind did not
appear to have been packaged for Debian, and may (for all I know) not
even have been written yet.

>> I don't want to "risk" (in quotation marks because there may not
>> be much, if any, actual risk involved) my primary system on testing
>> this, and right now I don't have any spare systems or a working
>> virtualization environment (because I haven't been able to get
>> libvirt, as packaged for Debian, to work properly in a non-systemd
>> environment) to use for testing, so I'm not in a position to do
>> that test myself. I do have a functioning virtualization
>> environment at my workplace, so if downtime permits over the next
>> week or three, I may be able to do that there.
> 
> Totally understood, and obviously you're under no obligation to do
> the testing!

No, but if it would help resolve concerns (including my own) and
potentially help clear the way for things to move forward, I'd be
happier with it done - and if I can make myself happy, why shouldn't I? ^_^

>> (Personally, I'd argue that splitting the various daemons and
>> non-daemon tools out into packages according to which ones depend
>> on which others makes sense purely from a "granularity of
>> dependencies" perspective, but it's been clear for a long time that
>> that argument is a nonstarter with the systemd maintainers.)
> 
> The systemd maintainers do split out some binaries, but I don't
> think creating 20-odd packages for each individual small service
> (systemd has a general model of breaking the boot up into small,
> simple binaries that do a single thing) is necessarily an
> improvement.  My understanding of the preference of the systemd
> maintainers is to not split the package except where there's a clear
> benefit (in terms of dependency structure or some other problem) that
> outweighs the ongoing cost of maintaining more individual packages.
> Here, if the systemd package works the way that I believe that it
> does, I don't think splitting will change anything other than saving
> a small amount of disk space on non-systemd systems.

If you're right that installing 

Accepted celluloid 0.18-2 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
Closes: 941646 943044
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Accepted celluloid 0.18-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer  writes:

> If I recall and understand correctly, installing systemd-the-package
> will result in at least some of the daemons therein - including both
> systemd itself, and systemd-logind - being set up to run automatically
> in the correct contexts (whether by scripted invocation set up by a
> package, or by socket activation, or by some other means), in such a way
> that they will generally wind up running even on a computer where
> systemd-the-daemon is not the init system. I'm currently digging through
> the result of 'apt-get source systemd', and I haven't yet managed to
> either confirm or refute this with certainty.

This is the bit that I'm fairly sure is not the case.

All of the native systemd facilities are started via systemd units.  If
systemd is not running as PID 1, nothing is going to load or act on the
systemd units.  Therefore, nothing will start those services.

This may be a concern in some future in which there are multiple init
systems that interpret and act on systemd units, but this is not yet the
case.  That will be an integration worry that we'll have to tackle should
that be the case in the future, but I don't think it's a concern right
now.

> Again if I recall correctly, there were some behaviors which arose from
> having logind running in a non-systemd-as-init-system environment which
> the maintainers did not consider something which they would need to fix
> but which I found undesirable.

Possibly you're thinking of the problem that Sam pointed out, which is
that the systemd package depends on libsystemd0 which currently
effectively conflicts with elogind, and therefore you can't install
elogind and the systemd package simultaneously?

If so, that indeed is true but is a problem that probably has to be fixed
anyway, regardless of the current discussion, for elogind to be easily
usable in Debian.

This is a problem with package dependencies, though.  Installing the
systemd package should not cause systemd-logind to run.  It is started via
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-logind.service, which will be ignored unless
systemd is running as PID 1.

I would welcome corrections of I'm wrong, though!

> I don't want to "risk" (in quotation marks because there may not be
> much, if any, actual risk involved) my primary system on testing this,
> and right now I don't have any spare systems or a working virtualization
> environment (because I haven't been able to get libvirt, as packaged for
> Debian, to work properly in a non-systemd environment) to use for
> testing, so I'm not in a position to do that test myself. I do have a
> functioning virtualization environment at my workplace, so if downtime
> permits over the next week or three, I may be able to do that there.

Totally understood, and obviously you're under no obligation to do the
testing!

> (Personally, I'd argue that splitting the various daemons and non-daemon
> tools out into packages according to which ones depend on which others
> makes sense purely from a "granularity of dependencies" perspective, but
> it's been clear for a long time that that argument is a nonstarter with
> the systemd maintainers.)

The systemd maintainers do split out some binaries, but I don't think
creating 20-odd packages for each individual small service (systemd has a
general model of breaking the boot up into small, simple binaries that do
a single thing) is necessarily an improvement.  My understanding of the
preference of the systemd maintainers is to not split the package except
where there's a clear benefit (in terms of dependency structure or some
other problem) that outweighs the ongoing cost of maintaining more
individual packages.  Here, if the systemd package works the way that I
believe that it does, I don't think splitting will change anything other
than saving a small amount of disk space on non-systemd systems.

(Splitting doesn't avoid the library dependency problem that currently
causes problems with elogind, since I believe the programs in question
also depend on that shared library.)

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
(Here's another one I may later wind up regretting; I'm out on too many
if-I-remember and if-I-understand limbs, and am thus speaking based on
too many possibly-false premises, and I'm also now explaining personal
preferences which might readily be deemed too minor or too niche to be
reasonable to bother supporting. I don't want to just drop the
conversation midstream at this point, however.)

On 2020-01-03 at 14:36, Russ Allbery wrote:

> The Wanderer  writes:
> 
>> On 2020-01-03 at 13:35, Russ Allbery wrote:

>>> Why would that be necessary?
> 
>> Which part? The splitting out, or the accepting of the init
>> scripts?
> 
> Both.
> 
>> The splitting out I think I've already addressed, if not directly
>> or at length; I can go over it more specifically if desired,
>> although I sometimes have a hard time phrasing things in that
>> context in ways which aren't unintentionally provocative. The short
>> version would be: to avoid undesirable side effects from other
>> parts of the systemd package. (Again, it's been long enough that I
>> forget what those side effects were, although I think they had to
>> do with logind.)
> 
> So far as I can tell, installing the systemd package by itself
> shouldn't do anything.  It's possible that I'm wrong, but if so, it
> might be easier to just fix that problem rather than splitting out
> binaries.  It's also possible that you ran into some long-ago-fixed
> bug and there is no longer any problem with installing the systemd
> package on a system that isn't running systemd.

If I recall and understand correctly, installing systemd-the-package
will result in at least some of the daemons therein - including both
systemd itself, and systemd-logind - being set up to run automatically
in the correct contexts (whether by scripted invocation set up by a
package, or by socket activation, or by some other means), in such a way
that they will generally wind up running even on a computer where
systemd-the-daemon is not the init system. I'm currently digging through
the result of 'apt-get source systemd', and I haven't yet managed to
either confirm or refute this with certainty.

If that's not true - if having that package installed will (now) never
lead those daemons to be run without something external to the package
which triggers them to get run, and a non-systemd-as-init-system machine
will (now) not involve anything which triggers running them unless the
sysadmin specifically sets it up that way - then I'm on entirely the
wrong track here, and unless there's something else I'm not remembering,
my split-the-package objections almost certainly disappear. (Although it
would probably then become harder to ensure that I don't install
something which is going to trigger running any of them.)

Again if I recall correctly, there were some behaviors which arose from
having logind running in a non-systemd-as-init-system environment which
the maintainers did not consider something which they would need to fix
but which I found undesirable. Unfortunately, I have largely forgotten
what they were; I have a vague memory of something about
normal-operation status text stepping all over the text console at which
I log in and from which I startx, and that it may have been related to
the fact that I was using systemd-shim rather than
systemd-the-init-system and so the setup was considered unsupported by
the systemd maintainers, but I'm not even certain that that was the same
problem. (Of course, systemd-shim isn't even an option anymore.)

I thus want to avoid letting logind run, and as far as I can tell, doing
that without breaking other things means not letting systemd-the-package
get installed - because even if I disable logind post-install by some
mechanism, other things may have chosen to depend on systemd-the-package
because they need logind, and may quite reasonably assume that the
presence of the former means that the latter will be available for them
to use.

Given those experiences, I also have reservations about letting any
other systemd-related daemons run without specific reason, just because
I don't know what side effects they might cause - now or in the future.
It's not as nearly absolute an objection, but as indicated in my first
message, I don't trust systemd-the-project not to introduce behaviors
which I find undesirable.

> I don't think there's enough information on this thread to indicate
> that there's any need to split out the package.  Probably it would
> make sense for someone to just try installing that package on a
> non-systemd system and running systemd-tmpfiles and systemd-sysusers
> and see if anything breaks.

Given what Andrej Shadura wrote in reply to me this morning, I'd be
surprised if anything did break, at least anything related to tmpfiles
or sysusers.

I don't want to "risk" (in quotation marks because there may not be
much, if any, actual risk involved) my primary system on testing this,
and right now I don't have any spare systems or a working 

Accepted rustc 1.40.0+dfsg1-3 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
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 .
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Accepted schroot 1.6.10-7 (source all amd64) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Steve Langasek
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Source: schroot
Binary: schroot schroot-common schroot-dbgsym
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 1.6.10-7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian QA Group 
Changed-By: Steve Langasek 
Description:
 schroot- Execute commands in a chroot environment
 schroot-common - common files for schroot
Closes: 857470 909445 947919
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 schroot (1.6.10-7) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * QA upload.
   * debian/patches/zfs-snapshot-support.patch: add support for a zfs-
 snapshot backend.  Closes: #947919.
   * Suggest btrfs-progs instead of obsolete btrfs-tools.
 Closes: #857470.
 .
   [ Helmut Grohne ]
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 03, Thomas Goirand  wrote:

> Could you please, therefore, tell me what feature is missing? If you
If I am not mistaken then you started arguing that we should consider an 
hypothetical alternative implementation with missing features, so maybe 
you should explain what may be missing.

> > Also, you have still not explained why we would need another 
> > implementation of these programs, except that "it's not systemd".
> Because with it, we allow running something else than systemd like for
> example OpenRC or sysv-rc, but not only: even maybe without an init
> system at all (think: minimal chroot, containers, etc.) we could
As many have already explained, there is no reason why the systemd 
programs cannot be used with other init systems.
The systemd maintainers themselves are interested in ways to make 
init-less containers lighter.

> > We systemd package maintainers have discussed using alternatives for 
> > these programs and I think that we have a strong consensus that this is 
> > not what alternatives are for: if another implementation is actually 
> > needed then it should conflict+provide something.
> Why is this the case with systemd's tmpfiles and sysusers, but it's not
> the same for gawk vs mawk? Since when in Debian users can't choose
Because these are two established implementations with different 
extensions and you can have multiple packages installed at the same time 
that use features of either of them.

> At this moment in time, I don't even know if open{tmpfiles,sysusers} are
> even useful. I'm politely asking you to either help me find out, or just
> do nothing (this includes: stop giving bad feedback).
Actually you are asking other maintainers to do things, so we share our 
opinions about them.

-- 
ciao,
Marco


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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand  writes:

> Yes, there's drawbacks in general. However, you *cannot* just say, we're
> going to use the systemd implementation "just because it's the
> refrence", without even giving me some space to at least *TRY* the
> alternative, to see if it's valuable or not.

Yes, I agree.

> As I wrote earlier, there's an easy path out: drop the systemd
> implementation entirely, and standardize on open{tmpfiles,sysusers}
> implementation.

This certainly doesn't seem easy to me.  It sounds like a lot more
integration work and pain, would involve replacing something that's
already working well, and would require proof that implementations written
in shell, which as a programming language is unsafe around file system
edge cases without extreme caution, handles the numerous security concerns
that the systemd implementations have been hardened against.

However, I completely agree that there's no reason not to try out the
packages and take a closer look, and even if all the things I'm concerned
about are true, they may still have a valuable role in our ecosystem for
support of non-Linux kernels.

> But maybe we should first *try* open{tmpfiles,sysusers} to see if it has
> any value.

Yes.  I agree with this.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 1/3/20 7:15 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jan 03, Thomas Goirand  wrote:
> 
>> That's where I don't agree. While it's nice to have such a declarative
>> system, I don't think it's reasonable to impose the implementation of
>> any change to systemd to all the other init systems.
> I do. Good luck persuading the consumers of this API that they should 
> not use some features because you did not implement them in your own 
> alternative package.

You seem to know very well the alternative implementations that we're
talking about. At least more than I do.

Could you please, therefore, tell me what feature is missing? If you
aren't able to point at it, then you're just doing FUD/trolling, instead
of letting me *try* the alternatives, and therefore, I'm politely asking
you to stop doing this, and give me some time for doing the work. If you
can tell what's wrong in these implementations, then that's super nice
of you to take the time to investigate with me and share, thanks for
doing it.

> Also, you have still not explained why we would need another 
> implementation of these programs, except that "it's not systemd".

Because with it, we allow running something else than systemd like for
example OpenRC or sysv-rc, but not only: even maybe without an init
system at all (think: minimal chroot, containers, etc.) we could
continue to use the sysusers and tmpfiles light implementations. But
that's not my main goal.

The main goal is: I also like declarative things like sysusers and
tmpfiles, as they are less error-prone. By having an implementation that
can work everywhere, with or without systemd, using sysusers and
tmpfiles becomes non-controversial, and we can standardize on it (and
even write it in the stones of the policy). I'm trying to facilitate
using these 2 systemd facilities because they are nice (especially the
sysusers one).

> We systemd package maintainers have discussed using alternatives for 
> these programs and I think that we have a strong consensus that this is 
> not what alternatives are for: if another implementation is actually 
> needed then it should conflict+provide something.
Why is this the case with systemd's tmpfiles and sysusers, but it's not
the same for gawk vs mawk? Since when in Debian users can't choose
alternative implementation? Oh, btw, "we support exploring alternatives"
is the winning option... That's precisely what I'm trying, though I'm
only getting bad feedback from the systemd fanboy team, instead of help
to do exactly what all the DDs have voted for (ie: exploring alternatives).

At this moment in time, I don't even know if open{tmpfiles,sysusers} are
even useful. I'm politely asking you to either help me find out, or just
do nothing (this includes: stop giving bad feedback).

>> You are being obviously biased toward systemd here. Just try to think a
> Indeed: obviously, most people actually do not mind using systemd...

As in, you think I don't? You are wrong. Clearly, you fail to see what
my motivations are. I am a systemd user, and I enjoy it. There's many
things I like about systemd, though that's probably off-topic.

Thomas Goirand (zigo)



Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 03, Thomas Goirand  wrote:

> Yes, there's drawbacks in general. However, you *cannot* just say, we're
> going to use the systemd implementation "just because it's the
> refrence", without even giving me some space to at least *TRY* the
As usual this is about much more than you, and I am quite concerned that 
you are apparently oblivious to that.
You started by arguing that Debian should adopt/invent a custom API not 
used by any other distribution and proposed that the systemd maintainers 
work on adopting alternatives for something which the alternatives 
system was not designed for.
Since your proposal requires that other people do significant work then 
it should not be unexpected that you are being asked to justify its
usefulness.

> implementation. But maybe we should first *try* open{tmpfiles,sysusers}
> to see if it has any value. At the present moment, I just don't know yet
> if it can be a good or a bad replacement.
Maybe *you* should try that and then report back your findings.

-- 
ciao,
Marco


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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 1/3/20 7:31 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> The guidance of option B is that we are committing to reviewing and
> working collaboratively with anyone who wants to support alternate init
> systems, but that implementation strategy is subject to technical review.

It reads:

"However, Debian remains an environment where developers and users can
explore and develop alternate init systems and alternatives to systemd
features."

Exploring alternatives is precisely what I'm doing. The same way I've
felt harassed when I did the original porting of OpenRC to 1/ Debian,
then 2/ kFreeBSD, then 3/ Hurd, I do feel like everyone is rushing into
me for no reasons. Could you please stop doing that, both you and Sam,
and instead, help me with deciding how both implementation can cohexist?

> I think Sam is providing that technical review by pointing out the
> drawbacks of using multiple competing implementations. That's a valid
> point of technical discussion; you may disagree with him, but I think that
> discussion is explicitly enabled by the GR result.

Yes, there's drawbacks in general. However, you *cannot* just say, we're
going to use the systemd implementation "just because it's the
refrence", without even giving me some space to at least *TRY* the
alternative, to see if it's valuable or not. At the moment, I only saw
FUD in this thread, nobody was able to point at missing feature or wrong
implementation. This is very annoying and frustrating.

I very much don't agree that the GR result tells that we should use
absolutely all implementation from systemd as the default, no mater
what, and that there's no room for alternative implementations. This was
proposal "Choice 1: F: Focus on systemd", and that's not the winning
option. The project has chosen "Systemd but we support exploring
alternatives", so please let me do just that, and give a chance to the
alternative to maybe win. Otherwise, I just give up as well, and do
something else (believe me, I do have a lot of things in my todo list to
improve Debian...:P ).

> That's a lot of work, and with my Policy hat on, I'm not committing to
> doing that work because I see the GR as asking me to spend my limited
> resources on other things, and also asking that we move a little bit more
> decisively in the direction of adopting systemd facilities than that
> (albeit not as decisively as option F).

Adopting systemd facilities is *NOT* the same as adopting systemd
implementation blindly, no mater what it is and does. That's not what
"Choice 2: B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives" is about.

> Therefore, I think it's a reasonable question to ask whether we want, as a
> project, to commit to supporting the least common denominator between
> several competing implementations of these facilities, or instead ask that
> people arrange to run the systemd implementation so that we have the same
> features everywhere.
> 
> Support for kFreeBSD and Hurd is obviously a valid argument in favor of
> some level of support for non-systemd implementations.

As I wrote earlier, there's an easy path out: drop the systemd
implementation entirely, and standardize on open{tmpfiles,sysusers}
implementation. But maybe we should first *try* open{tmpfiles,sysusers}
to see if it has any value. At the present moment, I just don't know yet
if it can be a good or a bad replacement.

Again, *PLEASE*, let me at least try to have a working package, that is
somehow useful. We're not there yet at all, there's not even an init
script, or a way to replace systemd-X binaries.

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)



Accepted rust-rand-core-0.3 0.3.0-2 (source) into unstable

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2020-01-03 Thread Mike Gabriel
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Edu Packaging Team 

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 .
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 + Trivial rebase of 2001_disable-CPackDefinitions-cmake.patch.
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Accepted sqlgrey 1:1.8.0-3 (source all) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Antonin Kral
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Antonin Kral 
Changed-By: Antonin Kral 
Description:
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Closes: 693747 806648
Changes:
 sqlgrey (1:1.8.0-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted sqlgrey 1:1.8.0-2 (source all) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Antonin Kral
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Maintainer: Antonin Kral 
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Closes: 947911
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Accepted rustc 1.40.0+dfsg1-2 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
Closes: 941783
Changes:
 rustc (1.40.0+dfsg1-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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   * Don't add -L/usr/lib/llvm when cross-compiling. (Closes: #941783)
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Accepted smalt 0.7.6-9 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Michael R. Crusoe
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Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team 

Changed-By: Michael R. Crusoe 
Closes: 938501
Changes:
 smalt (0.7.6-9) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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 .
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   [ Michael R. Crusoe ]
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Accepted rust-rand-core-0.4 0.4.2-2 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
Changes:
 rust-rand-core-0.4 (0.4.2-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted rust-rand-core-0.2 0.2.2-2 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
Changes:
 rust-rand-core-0.2 (0.2.2-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload.
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Accepted python-pysam 0.15.3+ds-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Michael R. Crusoe
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Version: 0.15.3+ds-1
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Med Packaging Team 

Changed-By: Michael R. Crusoe 
Closes: 947426
Changes:
 python-pysam (0.15.3+ds-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload.
   * New upstream release. Not yet dropping py2 due to paleomix and pbsuite
   * debhelper-compat 12
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   * New patch to remove symbols that were dropped in htslib 1.10:
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2020-01-03 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 20:17:22 +0100
Source: mako
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Version: 1.1.0+ds1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Piotr Ożarowski 
Changed-By: Piotr Ożarowski 
Closes: 877280 917043 917044 936985 944705
Changes:
 mako (1.1.0+ds1-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Ondřej Nový ]
   * d/control: Set Vcs-* to salsa.debian.org
   * d/copyright: Use https protocol in Format field
   * d/control: Deprecating priority extra as per policy 4.0.1
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   * d/changelog: Remove trailing whitespaces
   * d/control: Remove ancient X-Python-Version field
   * Convert git repository from git-dpm to gbp layout
   * Use debhelper-compat instead of debian/compat.
 .
   [ Antonio Valentino ]
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   * Bump debhelper from old 10 to 12.
   * Standards-Version bumped to v4.4.1 (no chenges).
   * Drop Python 2 support (Closes: #936985).
   * d/control: add build dependency from python3-zzzeeksphinx.
   * d/control: fix cme warnongs.
   * d/copyright: updated.
   * New 0001-Use-zzzeeksphinx-sphinx-theme.patch to use the
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   * d/rules: fix test rule.
   * d/source/lintian-overrides: dropped (it was unused).
   * d/control: add Testsuite: autopkgtest-pkg-python and
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   * d/rules: fix clean target (Closes: #917043).
   * d/rules: install the correcy changelog (Closes: #877280).
   * d/rules: add support for nodoc (Closes: #917044).
 .
   [ Piotr Ożarowski ]
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Accepted puppet-module-cristifalcas-etcd 1.12.3-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:20:57 +0100
Source: puppet-module-cristifalcas-etcd
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Version: 1.12.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian OpenStack 
Changed-By: Thomas Goirand 
Description:
 puppet-module-cristifalcas-etcd - Puppet resource for managing an Etcd cluster
Closes: 946523
Changes:
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2020-01-03 Thread Alastair McKinstry
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 15:09:43 +
Source: atlas-ecmwf
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Version: 0.19.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Alastair McKinstry 
Changed-By: Alastair McKinstry 
Description:
 libatlas-ecmwf-0 - Numerical weather prediction and climate modelling library
 libatlas-ecmwf-dev - Numerical weather prediction and climate modelling 
library - dev
 libatlas-ecmwf-utils - Numerical weather prediction and climate modelling 
library - util
Closes: 942635
Changes:
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 .
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 02:29:37PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> The accepting of init scripts seemed to me like an essential piece of
> making sure those scripts would be present wherever they would be
> needed. Your suggestion above seems to provide a way to make it less
> essential, and thus would make moving forward easier and more practical.
> The only question is how to make sure that that other package would be
> present whenever a non-systemd init system is in use, and that seems
> like a simple matter of adding dependencies from the
> set-foo-as-active-init-system package for foo.

Those init-script would life in the package for openrc or sysvinit or
whatever you are just working on, because it is implementation to them.

Or you use the same systemd-service to own-format conversion, you need
anyway for the whole rest, and don't need to implement extra scripts at
all.

Bastian

-- 
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery  writes:

Russ> So far as I can tell, installing the systemd package by itself 
shouldn't
Russ> do anything.  It's possible that I'm wrong, but if so, it might be 
easier
Russ> to just fix that problem rather than splitting out binaries.  It's 
also
Russ> any problem with installing the systemd package on a system that isn't
Russ> running systemd.

Well, systemd does depend on libsystemd0 .
libelogind0 provides/replaces lybsystemd0 and conflicts with systemd.

So, it is not currently possible to get systemd-tmpfiles and elogind
installed on the same system.
Which clearly needs to get fixed somehow if we're going to use
systemd-tmpfiles everywhere we can.



Accepted golang-github-containerd-fifo 0.0~git20190816.bda0ff6-1 (source) into experimental

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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer  writes:
> On 2020-01-03 at 13:35, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> The Wanderer  writes:

>>> If the maintainers of systemd-the-package would be willing to not only
>>> split out these binaries into standalone package(s), but accept such
>>> init scripts for inclusion in those packages,

>> Why would that be necessary?

> Which part? The splitting out, or the accepting of the init scripts?

Both.

> The splitting out I think I've already addressed, if not directly or at
> length; I can go over it more specifically if desired, although I
> sometimes have a hard time phrasing things in that context in ways which
> aren't unintentionally provocative. The short version would be: to avoid
> undesirable side effects from other parts of the systemd package.
> (Again, it's been long enough that I forget what those side effects
> were, although I think they had to do with logind.)

So far as I can tell, installing the systemd package by itself shouldn't
do anything.  It's possible that I'm wrong, but if so, it might be easier
to just fix that problem rather than splitting out binaries.  It's also
possible that you ran into some long-ago-fixed bug and there is no longer
any problem with installing the systemd package on a system that isn't
running systemd.

I don't think there's enough information on this thread to indicate that
there's any need to split out the package.  Probably it would make sense
for someone to just try installing that package on a non-systemd system
and running systemd-tmpfiles and systemd-sysusers and see if anything
breaks.

> The accepting of init scripts seemed to me like an essential piece of
> making sure those scripts would be present wherever they would be
> needed. Your suggestion above seems to provide a way to make it less
> essential, and thus would make moving forward easier and more practical.
> The only question is how to make sure that that other package would be
> present whenever a non-systemd init system is in use, and that seems
> like a simple matter of adding dependencies from the
> set-foo-as-active-init-system package for foo.

Yeah, that was my thought.  It also keeps the infrastructure for
supporting other init systems in its own packages maintained by people who
use those init systems, which seems likely to improve the quality of
maintenance and shorten the loop on bug fixes.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 10:31:53AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Support for kFreeBSD and Hurd is obviously a valid argument in favor of
> some level of support for non-systemd implementations.

But then there is the question on how much work it would be to port the
**systemd** implementations to FreeBSD or Hurd, if using and maintaining
those bash re-implementations is futile.

I tried to build systemd-sysusers against the FreeBSD libc, which
obviously is not going to be easy.  But all the Debian arches use glibc
and problems I found where in common, but unused, code and obviously
pretty glibc specific stuff.

Did someone already try to build just those binaries e.g. on Hurd?

Regards,
Bastian

PS: Why the hack is alloca in alloca.h on glibc, but stdlib.h on BSD?
PPS: Yes, systemd uses alloca.
-- 
Is truth not truth for all?
-- Natira, "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched
   the Sky", stardate 5476.4.



Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 13:35, Russ Allbery wrote:

> The Wanderer  writes:
> 
>> Unless my understanding of the architecture of
>> systemd-the-init-system is entirely incorrect, running these
>> .service'es is handled by /bin/systemd. If having these programs
>> run at boot time is considered essential to full functionality of
>> these facilities - and I'd be surprised if it wasn't - then
>> something is going to have to be done to permit that to happen
>> under other init systems.
> 
> So create a package with init scripts (or runit scripts, or OpenRC 
> scripts) that run those binaries, and make that package depend on
> systemd (*not* systemd-sysv).
> 
> This seems fairly simple to me.  Am I missing something (beyond the
> fact that this is problematic on the Hurd and kFreeBSD)?

Not as far as I can tell; the idea just hadn't occurred to me.

>> If the maintainers of systemd-the-package would be willing to not
>> only split out these binaries into standalone package(s), but
>> accept such init scripts for inclusion in those packages,
> 
> Why would that be necessary?

Which part? The splitting out, or the accepting of the init scripts?

The splitting out I think I've already addressed, if not directly or at
length; I can go over it more specifically if desired, although I
sometimes have a hard time phrasing things in that context in ways which
aren't unintentionally provocative. The short version would be: to avoid
undesirable side effects from other parts of the systemd package.
(Again, it's been long enough that I forget what those side effects
were, although I think they had to do with logind.)

The accepting of init scripts seemed to me like an essential piece of
making sure those scripts would be present wherever they would be
needed. Your suggestion above seems to provide a way to make it less
essential, and thus would make moving forward easier and more practical.
The only question is how to make sure that that other package would be
present whenever a non-systemd init system is in use, and that seems
like a simple matter of adding dependencies from the
set-foo-as-active-init-system package for foo.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Marco" == Marco d'Itri  writes:


>> You are being obviously biased toward systemd here. Just try to think a
Marco> Indeed: obviously, most people actually do not mind using systemd...

>> 2nd time: the same way, what if opentmpfiles implements a new feature
>> that is *not* in systemd implementation? There, we have an exit
Marco> What if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it?

Marco, I think that the two sentences I quoted from you, especially in
the context of other statements you've made are disrespectful of people
who disagree with you to the extent that they are not appropriate here.

The project just concluded a vote.  The winning option was specifically
about facilitating the sort of innovation Thomas asks about above.

You may think it is unlikely.
But there are perfectly good answers to talk about how to promote that
innovation without making things harder for systemd users or being rude.
I'd already given some; others also had already joined in.

The discussion was not advanced by you antagonizing Thomas.
Please stop.

--Sam



Accepted rust-malloc-buf 1.0.0-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Alexander Kjäll
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 18:50:50 +0100
Source: rust-malloc-buf
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Version: 1.0.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Alexander Kjäll 
Description:
 librust-malloc-buf-dev - Structs for handling malloc'd memory passed to Rust - 
Rust source
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Accepted rust-cstr-argument 0.1.1-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Alexander Kjäll
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:02:17 +0100
Source: rust-cstr-argument
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Version: 0.1.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Alexander Kjäll 
Description:
 librust-cstr-argument-dev - Trait for converting arguments to null terminated 
strings. - Rust
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted rust-unix-socket 0.5.0-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 00:40:58 +0100
Source: rust-unix-socket
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.5.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Sylvestre Ledru 
Description:
 librust-unix-socket-dev - Unix domain socket bindings - Rust source code
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted rust-dbus-0.2 0.2.3-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Andrej Shadura
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Version: 0.2.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Andrej Shadura 
Description:
 librust-dbus-0.2-dev - Bindings to D-Bus, which is a bus commonly used on 
Linux for inte
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 .
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Accepted rust-block 0.1.6-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Alexander Kjäll
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 18:56:43 +0100
Source: rust-block
Binary: librust-block-dev
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.1.6-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Alexander Kjäll 
Description:
 librust-block-dev - Rust interface for Apple's C language extension of blocks 
- Rust
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 .
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Accepted libbio-db-ncbihelper-perl 1.7.4-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Michael R. Crusoe
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Source: libbio-db-ncbihelper-perl
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Version: 1.7.4-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Med team 
Changed-By: Michael R. Crusoe 
Description:
 libbio-db-ncbihelper-perl - collection of routines useful for queries to NCBI 
databases
Closes: 940258
Changes:
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 .
   * Initial release. (Closes: #940258)
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Accepted rust-cargo-outdated 0.9.1-1 (amd64 source) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Version: 0.9.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
Description: 
 cargo-outdated - Cargo subcommand for displaying when dependencies are out of 
date
Changes:
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 .
   * Package cargo-outdated 0.9.1 from crates.io using debcargo 2.4.0
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Accepted rust-block-modes 0.3.3-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Andrej Shadura
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Andrej Shadura 
Description:
 librust-block-modes-dev - Block cipher modes of operation - Rust source code
Changes:
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 .
   * Package block-modes 0.3.3 from crates.io using debcargo 2.4.0
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Accepted rust-hkdf 0.8.0-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Andrej Shadura
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Source: rust-hkdf
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Version: 0.8.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Andrej Shadura 
Description:
 librust-hkdf-dev - HMAC-based Extract-and-Expand Key Derivation Function 
(HKDF) - Ru
Changes:
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 .
   * Package hkdf 0.8.0 from crates.io using debcargo 2.4.0
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Accepted rust-hex-literal-impl 0.2.1-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Andrej Shadura
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Version: 0.2.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Andrej Shadura 
Description:
 librust-hex-literal-impl-dev - Internal implementation of the hex-literal 
crate - Rust source co
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted libbio-variation-perl 1.7.4-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Michael R. Crusoe
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Med Team 
Changed-By: Michael R. Crusoe 
Description:
 libbio-variation-perl - BioPerl variation-related functionality
Closes: 946468
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted rust-unindent 0.1.5-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
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Source: rust-unindent
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Version: 0.1.5-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Sylvestre Ledru 
Description:
 librust-unindent-dev - Remove a column of leading whitespace from a string - 
Rust source
Changes:
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 .
   * Package unindent 0.1.5 from crates.io using debcargo 2.4.0
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Accepted rust-rspotify 0.7.0-1 (amd64 source) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Source: rust-rspotify
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Version: 0.7.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
Description: 
 librust-rspotify-dev - Spotify API wrapper - Rust source code
Changes:
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 .
   * Package rspotify 0.7.0 from crates.io using debcargo 2.4.0
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Accepted golang-github-sylabs-sif 1.0.9-1 (source all amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:59:14 +1100
Source: golang-github-sylabs-sif
Binary: golang-github-sylabs-sif-dev siftool
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Version: 1.0.9-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Go Packaging Team 
Changed-By: Dmitry Smirnov 
Description:
 golang-github-sylabs-sif-dev - reference implementation of the Singularity 
Image Format (SIF)
 siftool- utility to manipulate Singularity Image Format (SIF) files
Closes: 941182
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted rust-hex-literal 0.2.1-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Andrej Shadura
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Source: rust-hex-literal
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Version: 0.2.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Andrej Shadura 
Description:
 librust-hex-literal-dev - Procedural macro for converting hexadecimal string 
to byte array
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted rust-spotify-tui 0.11.0-1 (amd64 source) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:30:52 GMT
Source: rust-spotify-tui
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Architecture: amd64 source
Version: 0.11.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
Description: 
 spotify-tui - Terminal user interface for Spotify
Closes: 947815
Changes:
 rust-spotify-tui (0.11.0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Package spotify-tui 0.11.0 from crates.io using debcargo 2.4.0
   * Closes: #947815
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Accepted rust-unwrap 1.2.1-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 22:18:22 +0100
Source: rust-unwrap
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Version: 1.2.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Marco d'Itri 
Description:
 librust-unwrap-dev - Unwrap! and an unwrap_err! macro - Rust source code
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Accepted rust-rspotify 0.7.0-2 (amd64 source) into unstable, unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ximin Luo
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Source: rust-rspotify
Binary: librust-rspotify-dev
Architecture: amd64 source
Version: 0.7.0-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Ximin Luo 
Description: 
 librust-rspotify-dev - Spotify API wrapper - Rust source code
Changes:
 rust-rspotify (0.7.0-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Package rspotify 0.7.0 from crates.io using debcargo 2.4.0
   * Disable online tests needing credentials.
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Accepted golang-github-containerd-cgroups 0.0~git20190717.c4b9ac5-1 (source) into experimental

2020-01-03 Thread Shengjing Zhu
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Architecture: source
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Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Go Packaging Team 
Changed-By: Shengjing Zhu 
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urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted esys-particle 2.3.5+dfsg1-4 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Stuart Prescott
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Source: esys-particle
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Architecture: source
Version: 2.3.5+dfsg1-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Science Maintainers 

Changed-By: Stuart Prescott 
Description:
 esys-particle - Software for particle-based numerical modelling (MPI version)
Closes: 936489
Changes:
 esys-particle (2.3.5+dfsg1-4) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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 .
   [ Gianfranco Costamagna ]
   * Enforce a minimum autoconf-archive version due to bug: #948078
 .
   [ Stuart Prescott ]
   * Use Python 3 for packaging (Closes: #936489).
   * Bump to debhelper-compat (= 12).
   * Add patches for building against newer MPI.
   * Fix Vcs-* fields.
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   [ Jelmer Vernooij ]
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer  writes:

> Unless my understanding of the architecture of systemd-the-init-system
> is entirely incorrect, running these .service'es is handled by
> /bin/systemd. If having these programs run at boot time is considered
> essential to full functionality of these facilities - and I'd be
> surprised if it wasn't - then something is going to have to be done to
> permit that to happen under other init systems.

So create a package with init scripts (or runit scripts, or OpenRC
scripts) that run those binaries, and make that package depend on systemd
(*not* systemd-sysv).

This seems fairly simple to me.  Am I missing something (beyond the fact
that this is problematic on the Hurd and kFreeBSD)?

> If the maintainers of systemd-the-package would be willing to not only
> split out these binaries into standalone package(s), but accept such
> init scripts for inclusion in those packages,

Why would that be necessary?

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand  writes:

> I think you and many others should be extremely careful when talking
> about proposal B just as if it was a clear winner of the poll. If you
> are then discarding the opinion of everyone else who didn't want it as
> the winning option, and not consider the GR result as a whole, then you
> are clearly dismissing the opinion of a large amount of DDs (even though
> they were not the majority).

I'm sorry to push a little bit on this, because I understand that many
people are upset and frustrated by the outcome of the vote, but I am also
concerned about the project falling into a different one of its very
long-standing problems: being unwilling to make a decision.

We have a constitutional mechanism to make a decision.  That mechanism
produced a decision.  We should move forward with that decision.  We don't
need to do so in a rush, and we should do so respectfully and carefully,
but as important as it is to the project to be welcoming and respectful of
the people who are unhappy with the outcome of a decision, it's also
important for the project to be able to *make decisions* and then follow
through on them.

Otherwise, we're going to still be having the same discussion in another
year, and by that point we'll be having it with fewer people because there
are very few things as demotivating and draining as being endlessly
trapped in the same cycle of argument.  For me at least, that's even worse
than losing an argument.  (Option B was my fourth pick in the vote, for
the record.)

> What I'm trying to do here, is to enable a middle ground where we have a
> common interface everywhere, with the possibility to implement things
> differently.  Just saying "systemd systemd systemd" many times, imposing
> it as the only reference and winner, where it should be enabled
> everywhere, and for absolutely all of its interfaces, will lead to
> nowhere. And that's *not* what the proposal B was about.

The guidance of option B is that we are committing to reviewing and
working collaboratively with anyone who wants to support alternate init
systems, but that implementation strategy is subject to technical review.
I think Sam is providing that technical review by pointing out the
drawbacks of using multiple competing implementations.  That's a valid
point of technical discussion; you may disagree with him, but I think that
discussion is explicitly enabled by the GR result.

There were two options on the ballot that called for standardizing
interfaces of systemd facilities that we were going to adopt so that other
implementations could implement only the Policy-defined functionality and
not other features.  For better or worse, those options did not win.
That's a lot of work, and with my Policy hat on, I'm not committing to
doing that work because I see the GR as asking me to spend my limited
resources on other things, and also asking that we move a little bit more
decisively in the direction of adopting systemd facilities than that
(albeit not as decisively as option F).

Therefore, I think it's a reasonable question to ask whether we want, as a
project, to commit to supporting the least common denominator between
several competing implementations of these facilities, or instead ask that
people arrange to run the systemd implementation so that we have the same
features everywhere.

Support for kFreeBSD and Hurd is obviously a valid argument in favor of
some level of support for non-systemd implementations.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Accepted r-cran-ncdf4 1.17-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Dylan Aïssi
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian R Packages Maintainers 
Changed-By: Dylan Aïssi 
Changes:
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 .
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 .
   [ Dylan Aïssi ]
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2020-01-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
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Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 03, Thomas Goirand  wrote:

> That's where I don't agree. While it's nice to have such a declarative
> system, I don't think it's reasonable to impose the implementation of
> any change to systemd to all the other init systems.
I do. Good luck persuading the consumers of this API that they should 
not use some features because you did not implement them in your own 
alternative package.

Also, you have still not explained why we would need another 
implementation of these programs, except that "it's not systemd".

We systemd package maintainers have discussed using alternatives for 
these programs and I think that we have a strong consensus that this is 
not what alternatives are for: if another implementation is actually 
needed then it should conflict+provide something.

> You are being obviously biased toward systemd here. Just try to think a
Indeed: obviously, most people actually do not mind using systemd...

> 2nd time: the same way, what if opentmpfiles implements a new feature
> that is *not* in systemd implementation? There, we have an exit
What if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it?

> Similarly, the way
> systemd is trying to take over DNS resolving and NTP in an "integrated"
I just want to clarify that it is not...

-- 
ciao,
Marco


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Accepted lintian-brush 0.54 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Jelmer Vernooij
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 lintian-brush (0.54) unstable; urgency=medium
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Bug#948073: ITP: tedana -- TE-dependent analysis (tedana) of multi-echo fMRI

2020-01-03 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Yaroslav Halchenko 

* Package name: tedana
  Version : 0.0.8
  Upstream Author : tedana developers
* URL : https://github.com/ME-ICA/tedana
* License : LGPL
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : TE-dependent analysis (tedana) of multi-echo fMRI

The tedana package is part of the ME-ICA pipeline, performing TE-dependent
analysis of multi-echo functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) data.
It is a Python module for denoising multi-echo functional magnetic
resonance imaging (fMRI) data.

Planing to maintain under Debian-Med team.  Repository
https://salsa.debian.org/med-team/tedana
Requires nilearn, RFP #792279



Accepted resolvconf 1.82 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Andrej Shadura
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Maintainer: resolvconf team 
Changed-By: Andrej Shadura 
Closes: 947164 947171 948037
Changes:
 resolvconf (1.82) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Andrej Shadura ]
   * Update the debconf translation templates (Closes: #947164).
   * Update translations.
 .
   [ Helge Kreutzmann ]
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Accepted openimageio 2.1.9.0~dfsg0-2 (source) into experimental

2020-01-03 Thread Matteo F. Vescovi
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Maintainer: Debian PhotoTools Maintainers 

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 openimageio (2.1.9.0~dfsg0-2) experimental; urgency=medium
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Accepted pcsc-lite 1.8.26-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Ludovic Rousseau 
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Closes: 947883
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 pcsc-lite (1.8.26-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Bug#948041: impossible to update libbpf without updating the kernel

2020-01-03 Thread Sudip Mukherjee
Package: src:linux
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-ker...@lists.debian.org

libbpf source has moved to a separate github repo but keeps the kernel
as the true/first source, and updating github repo when release is ready.
In Steve's word the problem they faced is:

> The problem I'm now having is that I'm looking at fixing and updating
> some of the code in this library, and since library versioning is
> critical for applications that depend on it, we need to have a way to
> update the versions, and this does not correspond with the Linux
> versions.

So, looking at libbpf github repo at [1], I can see libbpf has already
released v0.0.6 but we only have v0.0.5 in Debian and there is no way
to update that unless the kernel is updated to v5.5+. And looking at
the kernel repo I can see libbpf people are working on v0.0.7. The full
discussion is at [2].

Do we package libbpf from their github repo independent of the kernel
update? Then we will need to remove the libbpf building bits from the
Debian kernel source and create a separate package for libbpf.
And so, it will be great if kernel team will like to package and maintain
it, if not, then I will be happy to do it. Please reject this bug report
if you think libbpf should not be done separately and should live inside
kernel source package.


[1]. https://github.com/libbpf/libbpf
[2]. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200102234950.GA14768@krava/

--
Regards
Sudip



Accepted taglog 0.2.6-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread John Lines
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: John Lines 
Changed-By: John Lines 
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2020-01-03 Thread Gürkan Myczko
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Gürkan Myczko 
Changed-By: Gürkan Myczko 
Description:
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Closes: 946248
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Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 

Changed-By: Helmut Grohne 
Closes: 947483
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2020-01-03 Thread Martina Ferrari
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Go Packaging Team 

Changed-By: Martina Ferrari 
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 prometheus-blackbox-exporter (0.16.0+ds-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Daniel Swarbrick ]
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   [ Martina Ferrari ]
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Accepted healpy 1.13.0-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-03 Thread Leo Singer
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Maintainer: Debian Astro Team 
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 .
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