Accepted debian-installer 20230515 (source) into unstable

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Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 03:33:27 +
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Install System Team 
Changed-By: Cyril Brulebois 
Changes:
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   * Bump Linux kernel ABI to 6.1.0-9.
   * Switch source format from 1.0 to 3.0 (native).
   * Update translation-status for the release.
   * Add temporary workaround for broken graphics when using the “bochs”
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 “cirrus” one, under UEFI/Secure Boot (See: #1036019):
  - The previous upload seems to trigger a color depth mismatch between
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modules, and Linux (efifb, built-in) that reports 32 bpp.
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  - To avoid running into those issues, and until a better solution is
determined, ship extra DRM modules for those graphics drivers:
bochs.ko, cirrus.ko, plus their dependencies.
  - Limit the workaround to amd64, arm64, and i386 (where UEFI/Secure
Boot are relevant), when drm.ko is detected in the build tree,
copying files from the relevant linux-image package.
  - Add linux-image-6.1.0-9-amd64-{amd64,arm64,686,686-pae} to
Build-Depends accordingly.
   * Many thanks to Ben Hutchings for the kernel-side insights!
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Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues]

Hi,

Quoting Steve McIntyre (2023-05-15 02:54:02)
> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:24:15AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 22:37, Josh Triplett  wrote:
> >
> >> The x86-64 ABI is set. Feel free to make the case to the next
> >> architecture designer that their new ABI should have the dynamic linker
> >> in `/usr/lib`. That would *not* have the same downsides, as long as
> >> everyone agrees on a path.
> >
> >In practice it is not, though. There are other distributions that
> >change PT_INTERP for their own purposes, they've already been listed
> >in this thread. And I am still not hearing any concrete, factual use
> >case that would be impaired by such a change. I'm beginning to
> >seriously think there aren't any? Is that really the case?
> 
> The ABI has been agreed and set down in documentation that *just
> about* everybody has been following since its inception. This includes
> the most basic set of definitions of what an x86-64 program must look
> like, including the interpreter path. If this path is changed, then
> *at the most basic level* we'd be making programs that are not valid
> by the ABI we've agreed to. This is an *external interface contract*,
> not something we should ever consider changing without significant
> cross- and inter-project discussion.
> 
> Pointing at gentoo or nixos as examples of projects that have decided
> to break compatibility doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. They're well known
> for changing fundamental things around Linux and (basically) not caring about
> interoperability. That attitude is *not* Debian's.

me and Luca have different ideas about how bootstrapping a Debian chroot should
look like and I don't want to make an argument *for* changing PT_INTERP here as
I think that keeping compatibility with others by following ABI is a good thing
and because I think (and hope -- but Helmut is doing that analysis right now)
that the debootstrap problem can be solved in a way I envision without changing
PT_INTERP. But what I do not understand about the argument against Luca's
proposal is:

Obviously, with Luca's proposal, binaries from packages built with a different
dynamic linker path in them would not work on distributions without merged-/usr
symlinks. But if the property of stuff from Debian being able to run on
non-Debian non-merged-/usr systems is an important one, then why was it okay to
have merged-/usr as the default? Because with merged-/usr we already changed
the interface contract for a lot of things because now binaries and libraries
can also be found at other locations than on non-merged-/usr systems. A script
with a /usr/bin/bash shebang built on and for Debian will not work on a system
without the symlinks.

So did we not years ago decide, that the result of the "cross- and
inter-project discussion" is, that everybody is going merged-/usr and that's
why we need it too and that's why it is okay to build a system where binaries
and scripts built for it just may not run on those other systems that do not do
it?  With merged-/usr we already *did* "change fundamental things around" for
reasons that are really not clear to me (but which i do not want to discuss
here) and as a result did not "care about interoperability" (with those who do
not also adopt it). In my own Debian work I so far only got extra work because
of merged-/usr and I do not see the benefits (yet) and I was hoping that
"changing fundamental things around Linux and (basically) not caring about
interoperability" was *not* Debian's attitude but alas here we are.

So have we not already burned the bridges to the non-merged-/usr world? Why was
it okay back then to say "we can make this change because all other important
players are doing merged-/usr so we can/have to as well". And now in the
PT_INTERP discussion somehow we care again about those systems? I thought we
already had the "cross- and inter-project discussion" about merged-/usr and
because the result was "yes, go for it" we did it too. But if that is the case,
why do we now care for a subset of the interoperability problems caused by
merged-/usr for systems that don't have it?

As I said, I don't care much about the PT_INTERP value but I don't understand
yet, why this argument about interoperability with non-merged-/usr systems is
working now but it didn't wasn't enough to stop another very fundamental change
in how we build a Linux distro.

Thanks!

cheers, josch

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Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Luca Boccassi]

On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 02:26, Russ Allbery  wrote:
>
> Luca Boccassi  writes:
>
> > That's self-evidently not true, as there are other distributions where
> > that already happens, it's been already mentioned.
>
> You've mentioned this a couple of times but I don't think I've seen the
> message where the details were explained.  Maybe this was only in your
> message posted to debian-gcc, which wasn't part of this thread?  (It's
> also possible that I just missed it somewhere.)
>
> That message only mentions GUIX, which I don't know very much about, but
> my recollection (maybe wrong?) is that it's a NIX variant that is doing
> special tricks to support immutable package trees and
> roll-forward/roll-back upgrades.  I can see why that might be motivation
> to build incompatible binaries in order to preserve some other invariant
> they're trying for as the point of their distribution (in particular, I
> suspect they're pinning binaries to a specific version of the dynamic
> loader as part of the whole immutable tree strategy).  That's a perfectly
> fine decision in a distribution that's trying to do something very
> different and is a bit of a science experiment, but I don't think that
> describes Debian.
>
> (Also, no slight on the GUIX folks, but GUIX is not exactly an, uh, major
> player in Linux distributions, and I'm not sure how much they care about
> compatibility with anyone else.)

This is a counter-example to confute the assertion that *everybody*
does the same thing, which has been made multiple times. I'm not sure
whether it's an experiment or not, I mean if you ask their
users/developers I think they'd tell you it's very much production
ready, but it is largely irrelevant: it exists, and that's the only
reason why it was mentioned, as it shows that it is _possible_ to do
that and be a working distribution. Doesn't imply it's automatically
desirable, but that was not the intention.

> > Besides, we are not talking about sacred religious texts - the point is
> > making things work. If they do, is it _really_
> > non-compliant/incompatible?
>
> I understand your point in making this argument, but please understand
> that this sort of willingness to change things if one didn't think they
> would cause problems didn't work very well, and was part of what led to
> the development of standardized ABIs in the first place.  Those of us who
> have been around longer than Linux have ABIs have a bit of a strong
> reaction here (I think this is also what you're seeing from Steve),
> because we remember the bad old days.  I still have compatibility code
> around to handle the fact that gcc on IRIX miscompiled calls to inet_ntoa
> because gcc didn't correctly implement the IRIX ABI.
>
> People are very bad at judging whether their new idea would be *really*
> incompatible.  This is why these days everyone tries to follow the ABI
> pretty closely.
>
> And in any case, changing PT_INTERP is trivially and obviously
> incompatible; the binary will simply not run on a system that doesn't have
> that path.  So it's not like we have to carefully judge nuance here.  Your
> argument, so far as I can tell, is basically "but no one will ever want to
> run those binaries on a non-/usr-merged system anyway," which is basically
> conceding the incompatibility point since the ABI doesn't require merged
> /usr.

Not quite: my argument is that binaries from these packages are not
intended and not required to be ran on non-Debian systems, so there's
no incompatibility introduced in the first place - everything still
works where it is supposed to, exactly as it was before.

> There's also some other history here: Debian is not super-happy with the
> PT_INTERP because ideally we'd prefer it use a path compatible with our
> multiarch approach.  I believe we raised that and no one had any interest
> in trying to change anything, so we lived with the limitations that
> creates.  (And I think that was the right decision.)
>
> > Thanks, that's the first actual real example mentioned so far. And it's
> > an interesting one: taking a $random Debian package and using it on a
> > completely different, non-Debian system. Is that a supported use case?
> > If so, does that mean that I can go ahead and raise a Severity: serious
> > bug on any package that doesn't work in such a way?
>
> I feel like you're distorting my argument here to try to make some sort of
> slippery slope argument, and it's coming across as possibly more
> aggressive than you had intended.

No aggression intended whatsoever, sorry if it appeared that way. I am
trying to understand what the rules are.

> The world does not divide neatly into supported and unsupported use cases.
> There are a lot of things I do to computers that I expect to work in some
> situations but not in others.  That includes, say, having a Debian chroot
> on some other OS and running binaries from that chroot without going into
> the chroot.  Often that will absolutely not work.  Sometimes it will 

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Russ Allbery]

Luca Boccassi  writes:

> That's self-evidently not true, as there are other distributions where
> that already happens, it's been already mentioned.

You've mentioned this a couple of times but I don't think I've seen the
message where the details were explained.  Maybe this was only in your
message posted to debian-gcc, which wasn't part of this thread?  (It's
also possible that I just missed it somewhere.)

That message only mentions GUIX, which I don't know very much about, but
my recollection (maybe wrong?) is that it's a NIX variant that is doing
special tricks to support immutable package trees and
roll-forward/roll-back upgrades.  I can see why that might be motivation
to build incompatible binaries in order to preserve some other invariant
they're trying for as the point of their distribution (in particular, I
suspect they're pinning binaries to a specific version of the dynamic
loader as part of the whole immutable tree strategy).  That's a perfectly
fine decision in a distribution that's trying to do something very
different and is a bit of a science experiment, but I don't think that
describes Debian.

(Also, no slight on the GUIX folks, but GUIX is not exactly an, uh, major
player in Linux distributions, and I'm not sure how much they care about
compatibility with anyone else.)

> Besides, we are not talking about sacred religious texts - the point is
> making things work. If they do, is it _really_
> non-compliant/incompatible?

I understand your point in making this argument, but please understand
that this sort of willingness to change things if one didn't think they
would cause problems didn't work very well, and was part of what led to
the development of standardized ABIs in the first place.  Those of us who
have been around longer than Linux have ABIs have a bit of a strong
reaction here (I think this is also what you're seeing from Steve),
because we remember the bad old days.  I still have compatibility code
around to handle the fact that gcc on IRIX miscompiled calls to inet_ntoa
because gcc didn't correctly implement the IRIX ABI.

People are very bad at judging whether their new idea would be *really*
incompatible.  This is why these days everyone tries to follow the ABI
pretty closely.

And in any case, changing PT_INTERP is trivially and obviously
incompatible; the binary will simply not run on a system that doesn't have
that path.  So it's not like we have to carefully judge nuance here.  Your
argument, so far as I can tell, is basically "but no one will ever want to
run those binaries on a non-/usr-merged system anyway," which is basically
conceding the incompatibility point since the ABI doesn't require merged
/usr.

There's also some other history here: Debian is not super-happy with the
PT_INTERP because ideally we'd prefer it use a path compatible with our
multiarch approach.  I believe we raised that and no one had any interest
in trying to change anything, so we lived with the limitations that
creates.  (And I think that was the right decision.)

> Thanks, that's the first actual real example mentioned so far. And it's
> an interesting one: taking a $random Debian package and using it on a
> completely different, non-Debian system. Is that a supported use case?
> If so, does that mean that I can go ahead and raise a Severity: serious
> bug on any package that doesn't work in such a way?

I feel like you're distorting my argument here to try to make some sort of
slippery slope argument, and it's coming across as possibly more
aggressive than you had intended.

The world does not divide neatly into supported and unsupported use cases.
There are a lot of things I do to computers that I expect to work in some
situations but not in others.  That includes, say, having a Debian chroot
on some other OS and running binaries from that chroot without going into
the chroot.  Often that will absolutely not work.  Sometimes it will work,
and it's convenient that it will work for some obscure recovery situations
or other weird one-off use cases.  I've also copied files from working
systems to broken systems running a different distribution before, and
there's a list of caveats as long as my arm, but sometimes it's a quick
fix for something.

But mostly my reaction is because breaking the ABI is a Really Big Deal.
Constructing the Linux ABI and getting the details actually published was
a hard-fought, arduous endeavor.  I doubt anyone enjoyed it; it's the sort
of annoying compatibility work that provides tons of small, subtle
benefits and takes a great deal of truly thankless work, and people often
don't realize all the tiny ways that it has made the world a better place,
or the range of weird compatibility problems that can arise from messing
with it.  Diverging from it is not something to do lightly, precisely
*because* it's often extremely difficult to understand what the effects
could be or what might break.

While I appreciate how it would make bootstrapping Debian somewhat more

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Steve McIntyre]

I'm *trying* to assume good faith here, but I'm running out of energy
to do so.

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 01:42:27AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 01:14, Russ Allbery  wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, that remains true even if we only do that in distribution
>> packages.  I certainly have copied binaries from a Debian package to other
>> Linux systems before for various reasons and expected them to run.  Sure,
>> this might not work for other reasons outside of our control, but that's
>> no reason to be gratuitously incompatible by breaking the ABI,
>> particularly for what seem to be annoyances of our own creation with known
>> workarounds.
>
>Thanks, that's the first actual real example mentioned so far. And
>it's an interesting one: taking a $random Debian package and using it
>on a completely different, non-Debian system. Is that a supported use
>case? If so, does that mean that I can go ahead and raise a Severity:
>serious bug on any package that doesn't work in such a way?

Russ has described copying *binaries* out of packages and running them
elsewhere. I've done that too, from time to time. This is one of the
things made possible by the ABI contract being followed.

You are the one proposing to break that contract, thereby
*guaranteeing* this will fail on systems where otherwise it could
work. I think the onus is on *you* to justify why this is a valid and
useful thing to do. Your apparent lack of care for agreed standards
here is horrifying.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
"We're the technical experts.  We were hired so that management could
 ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs."  -- Mike Andrews

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Steve McIntyre]

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:24:15AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 22:37, Josh Triplett  wrote:
>
>> The x86-64 ABI is set. Feel free to make the case to the next
>> architecture designer that their new ABI should have the dynamic linker
>> in `/usr/lib`. That would *not* have the same downsides, as long as
>> everyone agrees on a path.
>
>In practice it is not, though. There are other distributions that
>change PT_INTERP for their own purposes, they've already been listed
>in this thread. And I am still not hearing any concrete, factual use
>case that would be impaired by such a change. I'm beginning to
>seriously think there aren't any? Is that really the case?

The ABI has been agreed and set down in documentation that *just
about* everybody has been following since its inception. This includes
the most basic set of definitions of what an x86-64 program must look
like, including the interpreter path. If this path is changed, then
*at the most basic level* we'd be making programs that are not valid
by the ABI we've agreed to. This is an *external interface contract*,
not something we should ever consider changing without significant
cross- and inter-project discussion.

Pointing at gentoo or nixos as examples of projects that have decided
to break compatibility doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. They're well known
for changing fundamental things around Linux and (basically) not
caring about interoperability. That attitude is *not* Debian's.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
 English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on
 occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them
 unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."  -- James D. Nicoll

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Luca Boccassi]

On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 01:14, Russ Allbery  wrote:
>
> Luca Boccassi  writes:
>
> > Why would "software compiled on Debian" fail to work in other
> > environments? Well, there are many reasons actually, people invented
> > containers/flatpaks/snaps exactly for that reason. But nothing do with
> > anything discussed here though, as far as I can tell?
>
> My understanding is that this specific thread is about a mention that we
> may want to change PT_INTERP to /usr/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 or some
> similar path.
>
> If PT_INTERP points to a file that doesn't exist, the program is obviously
> not going to run.  The Linux x86_64 ABI says it must point to
> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2.  If we build binaries that use some other
> value, then we are not building ABI-compliant binaries and they may not
> run on other systems.  This is the whole point of an ABI.

This is not about locally compiled software or such, only packages
(and maybe even just a subset of them).

> An obvious specific example of such a system would be one that didn't
> merge /usr and thus only had /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 and not any other
> path, but that's just one obvious example.  There may be others; the whole
> point of an ABI is that you do not change things like this, not even if
> you can't personally imagine why your change wouldn't be harmful.  There's
> a whole process for changing an ABI that involves everyone else agreeing
> as well, and unless one goes through that process, the ABI is what it is.
> Debian not building ABI-compliant binaries would be highly surprising.

That's self-evidently not true, as there are other distributions where
that already happens, it's been already mentioned. Besides, we are not
talking about sacred religious texts - the point is making things
work. If they do, is it _really_ non-compliant/incompatible?

> Incidentally, that remains true even if we only do that in distribution
> packages.  I certainly have copied binaries from a Debian package to other
> Linux systems before for various reasons and expected them to run.  Sure,
> this might not work for other reasons outside of our control, but that's
> no reason to be gratuitously incompatible by breaking the ABI,
> particularly for what seem to be annoyances of our own creation with known
> workarounds.

Thanks, that's the first actual real example mentioned so far. And
it's an interesting one: taking a $random Debian package and using it
on a completely different, non-Debian system. Is that a supported use
case? If so, does that mean that I can go ahead and raise a Severity:
serious bug on any package that doesn't work in such a way?

Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Luca Boccassi]

On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 01:07, Peter Pentchev  wrote:
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:24:15AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 22:37, Josh Triplett  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 01:11:38PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > > The loader is still available via the old path, so external/third
> > > > party/local/other software works unchanged. This should negatively
> > > > only affect our 1st party packages, when running on a non-merged
> > > > distro.
> > > > And are _all_ our packages really 100% compatible with other distros
> > > > at all? Are they even supposed to be?
> > >
> > > People build things on Debian that are not Debian packages. People
> > > compile binaries on Debian, and expect them to work on any system that
> > > has sufficiently new libraries.
> > >
> > > This is *not* about Debian packages failing to work on other
> > > distributions; this is about *software compiled on Debian* faliing to
> > > work in other environments.
> >
> > Why would "software compiled on Debian" fail to work in other
> > environments? Well, there are many reasons actually, people invented
> > containers/flatpaks/snaps exactly for that reason. But nothing do with
> > anything discussed here though, as far as I can tell?
>
> If an ELF executable, compiled on Debian, records its interpreter as
> /usr/lib/ld-linux.so.2, what happens when one tries to run it on
> a non-usr-merged system? Even one with a recent enough glibc version?

This is not about locally built ELF executables, no difference in those.

Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi

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Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Russ Allbery]

Luca Boccassi  writes:

> Why would "software compiled on Debian" fail to work in other
> environments? Well, there are many reasons actually, people invented
> containers/flatpaks/snaps exactly for that reason. But nothing do with
> anything discussed here though, as far as I can tell?

My understanding is that this specific thread is about a mention that we
may want to change PT_INTERP to /usr/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 or some
similar path.

If PT_INTERP points to a file that doesn't exist, the program is obviously
not going to run.  The Linux x86_64 ABI says it must point to
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2.  If we build binaries that use some other
value, then we are not building ABI-compliant binaries and they may not
run on other systems.  This is the whole point of an ABI.

An obvious specific example of such a system would be one that didn't
merge /usr and thus only had /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 and not any other
path, but that's just one obvious example.  There may be others; the whole
point of an ABI is that you do not change things like this, not even if
you can't personally imagine why your change wouldn't be harmful.  There's
a whole process for changing an ABI that involves everyone else agreeing
as well, and unless one goes through that process, the ABI is what it is.
Debian not building ABI-compliant binaries would be highly surprising.

Incidentally, that remains true even if we only do that in distribution
packages.  I certainly have copied binaries from a Debian package to other
Linux systems before for various reasons and expected them to run.  Sure,
this might not work for other reasons outside of our control, but that's
no reason to be gratuitously incompatible by breaking the ABI,
particularly for what seem to be annoyances of our own creation with known
workarounds.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Peter Pentchev]

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:24:15AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 22:37, Josh Triplett  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 01:11:38PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > The loader is still available via the old path, so external/third
> > > party/local/other software works unchanged. This should negatively
> > > only affect our 1st party packages, when running on a non-merged
> > > distro.
> > > And are _all_ our packages really 100% compatible with other distros
> > > at all? Are they even supposed to be?
> >
> > People build things on Debian that are not Debian packages. People
> > compile binaries on Debian, and expect them to work on any system that
> > has sufficiently new libraries.
> >
> > This is *not* about Debian packages failing to work on other
> > distributions; this is about *software compiled on Debian* faliing to
> > work in other environments.
> 
> Why would "software compiled on Debian" fail to work in other
> environments? Well, there are many reasons actually, people invented
> containers/flatpaks/snaps exactly for that reason. But nothing do with
> anything discussed here though, as far as I can tell?

If an ELF executable, compiled on Debian, records its interpreter as
/usr/lib/ld-linux.so.2, what happens when one tries to run it on
a non-usr-merged system? Even one with a recent enough glibc version?

G'luck,
Peter
 
-- 
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Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Luca Boccassi]

On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 22:37, Josh Triplett  wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 01:11:38PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > The loader is still available via the old path, so external/third
> > party/local/other software works unchanged. This should negatively
> > only affect our 1st party packages, when running on a non-merged
> > distro.
> > And are _all_ our packages really 100% compatible with other distros
> > at all? Are they even supposed to be?
>
> People build things on Debian that are not Debian packages. People
> compile binaries on Debian, and expect them to work on any system that
> has sufficiently new libraries.
>
> This is *not* about Debian packages failing to work on other
> distributions; this is about *software compiled on Debian* faliing to
> work in other environments.

Why would "software compiled on Debian" fail to work in other
environments? Well, there are many reasons actually, people invented
containers/flatpaks/snaps exactly for that reason. But nothing do with
anything discussed here though, as far as I can tell?

> If you build a dynamically linked binary that only depends on glibc, you
> can expect it to be reasonably portable, to any system that uses glibc
> and has a sufficiently new version.
>
> Debian stable is, in fact, one of the common environments people use to
> compile binaries for distribution.

"sufficiently new version" is doing a lot of work there. We have
shlibs dependencies for a reason. In fact, the most common environment
used to distribute binaries is the EOL Ubuntu 16.04, slowly switching
to the soon-to-be-EOL 18.04. glibc is not forward-compatible, new
symbols are added all the time and are used all the time, and you
don't jump on a brand new distribution to do that kind of work, that
would be self-defeating.

> > So, what I am asking is, what actual, real difference does it make if,
> > by default (and with an override available for example), packages
> > built on Debian for Debian record the ld path to point to its (actual)
> > location on Debian, via say a compiler spec file that is injected in a
> > deb build?
>
> Making binaries built *on* Debian different than binaries built *for*
> Debian would introduce a needless additional source of complexity,
> compared to just compiling code the same way in both cases.

That's not how it works today already. There are several significant
differences between just running "gcc sources.c" and building a
package via debhelper on a buildd, they are not the same thing at all,
and they haven't been since forever, there are dozens of
compiler/linker options that the Debian package build environment
sets. Or will you now also ask the distribution to rollback multiarch,
hardening, SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, -ffile-prefix-map and all the other
reproducibility options, and so on? These and many more are all
"needless additional sources of complexity, compared to just compiling
code the same way" too. Because guess what, there are people who
couldn't possibly care less about
multiarch/security/reproducibility/etc, and there will also be a
subset of users who considers a subset of those compiler options
"needless". So are you going to push to have all of that reverted? And
also are you going to propose a Policy change that forbids adding any
new compiler/linker option to the package build process?

> To frame this in different terms: consider that one of the major goals
> of systemd has been to harmonize across distributions and eliminate
> needless variations that don't serve much actual purpose (e.g.
> variations in config file paths for the same config file). Consider how
> much effort systemd went to work with distributions, understand and deal
> with the *important* variations, and try to convince them to abandon the
> *unimportant* variations. Now imagine if someone came along and said
> "let's patch systemd to put unit files in /purple/; it'll work with
> everything in our distribution".

Pretty sure the Nix folks are already doing pretty much that. And if
it works for their case, all the power to them.

> Or, imagine if someone said "let's inject an argument to gzip, only for
> building the .gz files sihpped in our packages of course, to modify the
> gzip header and remove a few of the extraneous additional fields; it'll
> be fine, because we've patched our gzip to parse it"

Not really related, archives are _intended_ to be opened anywhere for
any reason. Do you have any actual related use case that would no
longer work? Because that would be the easiest and most convincing
counter-factual that could be provided.

> The x86-64 ABI is set. Feel free to make the case to the next
> architecture designer that their new ABI should have the dynamic linker
> in `/usr/lib`. That would *not* have the same downsides, as long as
> everyone agrees on a path.

In practice it is not, though. There are other distributions that
change PT_INTERP for their own purposes, they've already been listed
in this thread. And I am still not 

Re: dropping Priority field from binary packages for most packages

[Josh Triplett]

Ansgar wrote:
> could we drop the Priority field from most packages? Most packages use
> "Priority: optional" and this is just noise in d/control (source
> package). Tools should just assume "optional" when no other value is
> set.

This seems like a great idea. People regularly note the overhead of each
Debian package (as a standard argument made against having more
packages), and this seems like a good way to reduce that overhead.
Priority is definitely the *easiest* such change to make.

This will primarily benefit individual package control files, and has
relatively little impact on the compressed Packages index, since
compression deals well with the repetition. For the 12M Packages.gz file
in current sid, this would save ~22k.

By contrast, eliminating the "MD5sum:" field (in favor of "SHA256:")
would save 1.6M. And eliminating the one-line "Description:" (in favor
of getting it along wiht the full Description from the translated files)
would save 1.2M.

Accepted ogmrip 1.0.1-4 (source) into unstable

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Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

[Josh Triplett]

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 01:11:38PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> The loader is still available via the old path, so external/third
> party/local/other software works unchanged. This should negatively
> only affect our 1st party packages, when running on a non-merged
> distro.
> And are _all_ our packages really 100% compatible with other distros
> at all? Are they even supposed to be?

People build things on Debian that are not Debian packages. People
compile binaries on Debian, and expect them to work on any system that
has sufficiently new libraries.

This is *not* about Debian packages failing to work on other
distributions; this is about *software compiled on Debian* faliing to
work in other environments.

If you build a dynamically linked binary that only depends on glibc, you
can expect it to be reasonably portable, to any system that uses glibc
and has a sufficiently new version.

Debian stable is, in fact, one of the common environments people use to
compile binaries for distribution.

> So, what I am asking is, what actual, real difference does it make if,
> by default (and with an override available for example), packages
> built on Debian for Debian record the ld path to point to its (actual)
> location on Debian, via say a compiler spec file that is injected in a
> deb build?

Making binaries built *on* Debian different than binaries built *for*
Debian would introduce a needless additional source of complexity,
compared to just compiling code the same way in both cases.

To frame this in different terms: consider that one of the major goals
of systemd has been to harmonize across distributions and eliminate
needless variations that don't serve much actual purpose (e.g.
variations in config file paths for the same config file). Consider how
much effort systemd went to work with distributions, understand and deal
with the *important* variations, and try to convince them to abandon the
*unimportant* variations. Now imagine if someone came along and said
"let's patch systemd to put unit files in /purple/; it'll work with
everything in our distribution".

Or, imagine if someone said "let's inject an argument to gzip, only for
building the .gz files sihpped in our packages of course, to modify the
gzip header and remove a few of the extraneous additional fields; it'll
be fine, because we've patched our gzip to parse it"

The x86-64 ABI is set. Feel free to make the case to the next
architecture designer that their new ABI should have the dynamic linker
in `/usr/lib`. That would *not* have the same downsides, as long as
everyone agrees on a path.

- Josh Triplett

Accepted cegui-mk2 0.8.7+git20220615-3 (source) into unstable

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Maintainer: Debian Science Maintainers 

Changed-By: Tobias Frost 
Closes: 1035009
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 .
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   * New upstream release:
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Re: dropping Priority field from binary packages for most packages

[Niels Thykier]

Ansgar:

Hi,

could we drop the Priority field from most packages? Most packages use
"Priority: optional" and this is just noise in d/control (source
package). Tools should just assume "optional" when no other value is
set.

[...]

I would like to drop it pretty much everywhere, most importantly
debian/control in source packages (as often humans edit these).



I support this.

I am happy to look into having debhelper clear the `Priority` field in 
the deb if it is redundant early after the release.  Additionally, if 
the missing field breaks tools that cannot easily updated, I can have 
dehelper inject the field again (even if it is missing from d/control), 
so people can benefit in d/control already and we fix the .deb version 
when the infrastructure/tooling is ready.


The debhelper tooling already did something this for "Multi-Arch: no", 
which caused problems at some point. In that sense, there is already 
"prior art" for debhelper managing asymmetry between d/control and 
DEBIAN/control.



But it
could be dropped in other places (CONTROL in .deb and Packages indices)
as well.



Yes please!

Best regards,
Niels

Accepted qemu 1:7.2+dfsg-7 (source) into unstable

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