Re: Adding SONAME to a shared object in KLEE

2016-02-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi Marko,

Le jeudi 18 février 2016 à 10:43 -0700, Marko Dimjašević a écrit :
> I would need help with fixing a SONAME issue with my ITP package. It's a
> tool for development, which systematically explores as many as possible
> execution paths in a given program, potentially triggering crashes
> unknown before.

> E: klee: sharedobject-in-library-directory-missing-soname 
> usr/lib/libkleeRuntest.so

It looks to me that this file is not meant to be a shared library. I
don’t know what it is, but there are no associated headers and nothing
that looks like it could be linked against it.

It’s not even clear you should ship it in the package, maybe it’s part
of a test suite of some sort?

In any case, it is useless to add a SONAME to such a file, because
SONAMEs are here for programs you actually link with that library. If
the file does have some use in the binary, you can move it away in
another directory (it has no place in /usr/lib).

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Re: Debian package non-strict equal dependencies

2016-01-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Dmitrii Kashin  wrote:
> The main thing is we can describe dependency as `pkg (= "2.0")' and yum will
> install package `pkg' of version "2.0" with the maximum revision
> found. And also we can write dependency specifically with revision,
> f.e. `pkg (= "2.0-43")' and yum will install specifically "2.0-43".

> Well, now I'm trying to repack one project (my job) from centos to
> debian. And I wonder what would be the most correct way for such kind of
> dependencies.
> 
> 1) I could not write dependency operator at all.
> 2) I could write >= and version (f.e. "2.0")

You can write, for example: 
Depends: pkg (>= 2.0), pkg (<= 2.0.~)

Note that since the introduction of ${source:Version} and
${binary:Version}, this no longer useful if both packages are part of
the same source.

> If there's package A which depends on B and C, B depends on D (=
> "2.0-43") and C depends on D (>= "2.0"). If there're packages D-2.0-43
> and D-3.0 in the repository, then yum fails to resolve dependencies.
> 
> I wonder what the apt's behavior is in such situation?

In a Debian repository, there can be only one version of D at a time, so
this cannot happen. If you want two versions of the same package in the
same repository, they need to have different source and binary names
(the name can be something like D-2.0 or D-3.0 of course).

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Re: Putting default config files in /usr [was; (newbie) Disruptive LIRC package update.]

2015-11-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Marc Haber  wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:58:13 +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq 
 wrote:
>[ ? 11/11/2015 18:14 ] [ ? Marc Haber ]
>> Once and for all we're doing _SOMETHING_ right, let's keep it that
>> way.
>I do not agree that we are doing something exactly right. I would like
>/etc to only contain what I changed (as a sysadmin), and nothing else ;

That is not what an experienced Unix Admin would expect. We should not
do that.

As an experienced Unix admin, I hate having to comb through megabytes of
useless files in /etc to look for what has been actually changed on the
system.

The very fact that people need to use specific tools such as etckeeper,
just to be able to see what has been configured, shows that we are doing
something wrong, not the other way round. 

When we moved away whole megabytes of default GConf configuration
from /etc to /usr and /var, only keeping in /etc the actual changes made
to the default configuration, I don’t recall much complaining.
Eventually upstream ended up re-using our scheme when they wrote
GSettings.

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Re: Defaulting to i686 for the Debian i386 architecture

2015-09-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Ben Hutchings  wrote: 
Since the 686-class, introduced with the Pentium Pro, is now almost 20
years old, we believe there are few Debian systems still running that
have 586-class or hybrid processors.  The only such processors
apparently still available for sale are the DM Vortex86 family, Intel
Quark and Xeon Phi, of which we currently only support the Vortex86.

I don’t know whether we currently have the ability to run standard x86
binaries on the Xeon Phi coprocessors, but it definitely sounds like
something we should try to obtain, not to prevent. Otherwise we’ll end
up with yet another half-assed, unmaintainable way to build specific
binaries for HPC. 

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Re: Defaulting to i686 for the Debian i386 architecture

2015-09-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Ben Hutchings  wrote: 
Contrary to what I thought, the Xeon Phi processors are actually 64-bit
.  However I think they're a little too weird to support with the same
binaries - no CMOV, no MMX and no SSE.

I think we’ve both been mistaken by Intel documents describing Xeon Phi
as being based on the P54C microarchitecture. But this was only for the
early, mostly experimental designs. As of Knights Landing, it is based
on Airmont Atom cores which indeed support x86_64. 

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Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

2015-09-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 17 septembre 2015 à 13:42 +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : 
>  https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands

Thanks for the documentation (and for the code!).

How do you upload a package to a bikeshed? Just set bs-whatever as the
suite in the changes file?

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Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

2015-09-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 17 septembre 2015 à 18:52 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> Not to mention that this bikeshed thread about the Bikeshed name is
> going to be both epic and very meta.

I herd you like bikesheds…

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Re: [CTTE #741573] Debian Menu System

2015-09-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 05 septembre 2015 à 10:49 +0900, Osamu Aoki a écrit : 
> This reminds me some DE dependent .desktop file.  Is there any best
> practice how to do it for Debian?  KDE app not showing up on GNOME and
> vice versa.  How to decide how much .desktop data are NotShowIn for what
> environment?

The new policy states these values should be synchronized on the
debian-desktop mailing list. So if in doubt, you should just ask.

> Another question: Is there any list of DE names supporting .desktop
> file?  Whitelisting with "OnlyShowIn" entry requires such list.
> 
> Maybe we shoyld recommend explicit black list using "NotShowIn" entry
> over whitelisting with "OnlyShowIn" entry.

The use case is different.
OnlyShowIn is for tools designed for a specific environment (e.g. a
configuration tool).
NotShowIn is for tools where the maintainers of given environments have
requested not to display such entries. If the tool is not generally
useful to most users having it installed, NoDisplay=true should be used.

OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn are mostly useful for packages that are part of
the default installation, or usually installed as dependencies.

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Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Michael Meskes  wrote: 
> In that case, the WLAN access point ("FooAP" or so) should be tagged 
as
> "modem", not sure if n-m can do that.  Am trying to file a wishlist
> bug for that by BCCing submit@.

And? How's that supposed to solve the problem?

I may be just fine using my cell for updates at home, but not while 
traveling.

An user does probably not need an “automatic updates” feature if she
wants such a level of manual control. In which case she can just disable
the updates and do her thing. 

You're not seriously suggesting we should make the decision for the user
without even telling him? Doesn't freedom of choice also include the 
freedom
to not do updates?

I hope you are not seriously suggesting we should present users with
choices all the time, especially choices with serious security
consequences that most users are unable to appreciate. 

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Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 27 août 2015 à 05:22 +0200, Michael Meskes a écrit :
 Besides, what causes the system to make those package downloads before?
 I may be behind a slow or expensive line and don't want any downloads
 performed at all.

It’s gnome-software in sid, or g-s-d in jessie, querying PackageKit for
updates.
The default policy is to not schedule any downloads when running on
battery or on a modem connection.

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Bug#796742: general: system takes a hit when encryption used

2015-08-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 23 août 2015 à 15:16 -0500, Richard Jasmin a écrit : 
 modern day systems have 6GB/sec connections and GBs of RAM and Ghz of speed.
 There is simply no reason that ANY cipher algorithm should slow a system to a
 crawl.
 
 Cached data or not.
 
 Yet this is clearly the case.I tried both EncFS and GostCrypt(whole volume
 encryption) and am getting the same results here on SATA 6GB/sec connection
 with drives that support such speeds.

For the record (the bug has already been closed):
- GostCrypt is not part of Debian
- EncFS doesn’t support AES-NI so this is expected (and I’m not sure
about how secure it is, either)
You need to use dm-crypt or ecryptfs, that make use of the kernel’s
encryption library, if you want both acceptable security and
performance.

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Re: Bug#765632: ForwardX11Trusted set to yes over a decade ago, for release reasons?

2015-08-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 19 août 2015 à 20:59 +0100, Colin Watson a écrit : 
 debian-devel, debian-x, do you think that it's at all realistic to
 expect clients to be fixed to handle such failures rather more
 gracefully?

Well, I guess it is possible, if we were to introduce appropriate error
checking in enough major toolkits.

At least in GTK3, I can tell you that it’s not here, and using untrusted
cookies will quickly make your applications crash.

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Re: Q: Which is suitable distribution in changelog for point release?

2015-06-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi,

Hideki Yamane henr...@debian.or.jp wrote: 
 Which is suitable distribution in changelog for Jessie and wheezy
 point release? (and why) I just looked debian-release posts and 
confused...

 - stable / oldstable
 - stable-proposed-updates / oldstable-proposed-updates
 - jessie / wheezy

The recommended distribution is the codename (jessie, wheezy). This way
there can be no confusion. 

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Accepted gnome-weather 3.14.1+dfsg.1-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2015-06-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-weather - access current conditions and forecasts
Closes: 772344
Changes:
 gnome-weather (3.14.1+dfsg.1-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Initial release. (Closes: #772344)
   * Repackage upstream tarball using DFSG-free backgrounds.
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Re: Proposal v2: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi,

Martin Pitt mp...@debian.org wrote: 
The main objection in the discussion was that path based names aren't
appropriate for USB based devices. I agree, so I change my proposal to
use MAC based names for anything USB based. The names will look even
worse as they include the MAC in hex (enx112233445566), but the two
goals use MAC for these devices, don't maintain state files in
/etc, and avoid any collisions don't leave room for much else.

How about using only the last 3 bytes of the MAC?

The probability of using, on the same system, *two or more* controllers
from *different brands* with a collision in the last 3 bytes is
nonexistent in practice.

The clear benefit would be that 3 bytes / 6 hex digits are easy enough
to remember in the short term memory when you need to type a command. 6
hex digits are also regularly used as short git references for that same
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Accepted evolution-data-server 3.12.11-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2015-05-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
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gir1.2-ebook-1.2 libedata-book-1.2-20 libedata-book1.2-dev 
gir1.2-ebookcontacts-1.2 libebook-contacts-1.2-0 libebook-contacts1.2-dev 
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libebackend-1.2-7 libebackend1.2-dev
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.12.11-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Evolution Maintainers 
pkg-evolution-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 evolution-data-server - evolution database backend server
 evolution-data-server-common - architecture independent files for Evolution 
Data Server
 evolution-data-server-dbg - evolution database backend server with debugging 
symbols
 evolution-data-server-dev - Development files for evolution-data-server 
(metapackage)
 evolution-data-server-doc - Documentation files for the Evolution Data Server 
libraries
 gir1.2-ebook-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EBook library
 gir1.2-ebookcontacts-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EBook Contacts library
 gir1.2-edataserver-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EDataServer library
 libcamel-1.2-49 - Evolution MIME message handling library
 libcamel1.2-dev - Development files for libcamel
 libebackend-1.2-7 - Utility library for evolution data servers
 libebackend1.2-dev - Utility library for evolution data servers (development 
files)
 libebook-1.2-14 - Client library for evolution address books
 libebook-contacts-1.2-0 - Client library for evolution contacts books
 libebook-contacts1.2-dev - Client library for evolution contacts books 
(development files)
 libebook1.2-dev - Client library for evolution address books (development 
files)
 libecal-1.2-16 - Client library for evolution calendars
 libecal1.2-dev - Client library for evolution calendars (development files)
 libedata-book-1.2-20 - Backend library for evolution address books
 libedata-book1.2-dev - Backend library for evolution address books 
(development files)
 libedata-cal-1.2-23 - Backend library for evolution calendars
 libedata-cal1.2-dev - Backend library for evolution calendars (development 
files)
 libedataserver-1.2-18 - Utility library for evolution data servers
 libedataserver1.2-dev - Utility library for evolution data servers 
(development files)
Changes:
 evolution-data-server (3.12.11-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Replace hardcoded list of libphonenumber architectures with just
 [linux-any], so arm64 can also get this support.
   * New upstream bugfix release.
   * Bump valac build-dependency.
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Accepted evolution 3.12.11-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2015-05-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:55:00 +0200
Source: evolution
Binary: evolution libevolution evolution-common evolution-dev evolution-dbg 
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Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.12.11-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Evolution Maintainers 
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Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 evolution  - groupware suite with mail client and organizer
 evolution-common - architecture independent files for Evolution
 evolution-dbg - debugging symbols for Evolution
 evolution-dev - development library files for Evolution
 evolution-plugins - standard plugins for Evolution
 evolution-plugins-experimental - experimental plugins for Evolution
 libevolution - evolution libraries
Changes:
 evolution (3.12.11-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Iain Lane ]
   * Strip -Bsymbolic-functions from LDFLAGS; evolution doesn't work when built
 with this (see bgo #594473 for more info)
 .
   [ Josselin Mouette ]
   * New upstream translation and bugfix release.
   * Update (build-)dependencies on e-d-s to 3.12.11.
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Accepted evolution-ews 3.12.11-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2015-05-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Evolution Maintainers 
pkg-evolution-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 evolution-ews - Exchange Web Services integration for Evolution
Changes:
 evolution-ews (3.12.11-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream translation and bugfix release.
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Re: Bug#786902: O: ifupdown -- high level tools to configure network interfaces

2015-05-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote: 
I do not expect systemd-networkd taking over NM when an interaction 
with 
a GUI is needed, but OTOH I see no reason to use NM on servers when 
(recent) systemd-networkd is available, since it is much leaner.

In the current state of affairs, that’s probably true. In the long run,
however, I don’t think it’s a good idea to have two overlapping
solutions to do the same thing.

We need to answer those two questions:
- what can systemd-networkd do that NM cannot? e.g. initrd support
- what can NM do that networkd cannot? e.g. delegating interface
management to users, what about scripting, infiniband, complex
authentication schemes… 

I’d really like to see some convergence on this front. Systemd-networkd
could do the actual job of managing the network, but providing NM the
necessary interfaces to delegate whatever is needed to the user. 

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Re: Modern Debian packaging system for DevOps: does it exist?

2015-05-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 13 mai 2015 à 19:14 +0300, Исаев Виталий a écrit :
 Hello! I'm looking for a convenient wrapper of standard Debian
 packaging toolchain in order to automatize the deployment process. We
 use Ubuntu and Debian, and the most part of code is written in C++,
 therefore we need to compile and build binary debs. 

 At the moment we're trying to collect more information about existing
 packaging systems. Our self-written scripts no longer meet our needs.
 Now we have faced a choice: either we move our deployment process into
 third-party packaging system (if we find the good one), or we get
 involved into the development of own full-featured system. 

How about http://jenkins-debian-glue.org/ ?

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Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: 
 The NM configuration is based on MAC addresses and doesn’t care about
 the interface name at all. This is the exact opposite of “handling
 dynamic names ungracefully”.

Well, that's assuming hardware that has a permanent MAC address.  What
does it do for virtual or cheap hardware that gets a different locally-
assigned address at each boot or hotplug?

In most situations, the default behavior (starting a DHCP connection
when the first adapter is plugged on) is what you want. 

When you use manual configuration, the daemon’s default is to write
MAC-based configuration files, but you can change them to remove the
802-3-ethernet/mac-address setting and use connection/interface-name
instead. 

See https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/unstable/ref-settings.html

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Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 08 mai 2015 à 20:14 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
 Do we have other network software other than ifupdown,
 systemd-networkd and network-manager, the latter handling dynamic
 names rather ungracefully.

The NM configuration is based on MAC addresses and doesn’t care about
the interface name at all. This is the exact opposite of “handling
dynamic names ungracefully”.

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Accepted gnome-shell 3.14.4-1 (source all) into unstable

2015-04-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 21:44:04 +0100
Source: gnome-shell
Binary: gnome-shell gnome-shell-common gnome-shell-dbg
Architecture: source all
Version: 3.14.4-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-shell - graphical shell for the GNOME desktop
 gnome-shell-common - common files for the GNOME graphical shell
 gnome-shell-dbg - Debugging symbols for GNOME Shell
Changes:
 gnome-shell (3.14.4-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream translation and bugfix release.
 + Includes workaround for #768896 which is very annoying for users
   of the proprietary nvidia driver.
   * 01_network_list.patch, 02_auth_prompt.patch,
 50-compute-weeknumber-with-gdatetime.patch: dropped, merged
 upstream.
   * Bump (build-)dependencies on mutter as usual.
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Accepted mutter 3.14.4-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2015-04-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 21:06:28 +0100
Source: mutter
Binary: mutter mutter-dbg libmutter0e mutter-common libmutter-dev 
gir1.2-mutter-3.0
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.14.4-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gir1.2-mutter-3.0 - GObject introspection data for Mutter
 libmutter-dev - Development files for the Mutter window manager
 libmutter0e - window manager library from the Mutter window manager
 mutter - lightweight GTK+ window manager
 mutter-common - shared files for the Mutter window manager
 mutter-dbg - Debugging symbols for the Mutter window manager
Changes:
 mutter (3.14.4-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream translation and bugfix release.
 + Includes new function required for the workaround to #768896 which
   is very annoying for users of the proprietary nvidia driver.
   * 10_window-actor_unredirect.patch, 11_black_background.patch:
 dropped, merged upstream.
   * Bump shlibs due to new function.
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Accepted gdm3 3.14.1-7 (source amd64) into unstable

2015-04-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Version: 3.14.1-7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
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 gir1.2-gdm3 - GObject introspection data for the GNOME Display Manager
 libgdm-dev - GNOME Display Manager (development files)
 libgdm1- GNOME Display Manager (shared library)
Closes: 781535
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 .
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Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

2015-04-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 02 avril 2015 à 19:37 +0200, Esokrates a écrit : 
 Hi,
 
 I am particularly interested in automatic debug packages, as the current 
 situation is pretty messy imho. I found 
 https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages.
 Does anyone know the status of this? Will this be a goal for Stretch?
 This and reproducible builds would make Debian the perfect distribution for 
 me.
 Whats in the way of making it happen? Lack of people willing to do it?

Last time I checked, dak was still missing code to handle the
generated .ddeb files.

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Accepted gnome-menus 3.13.3-6 (source amd64) into unstable

2015-03-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Version: 3.13.3-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
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specification
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specification
Closes: 776595
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 .
   * 31_nl_translation.patch: patch from Geert Stappers to fix seriously
 confusing translation. Closes: #776595.
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Re: desire

2015-01-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 12 janvier 2015 à 21:11 +0300, mr scripter a écrit :
 Please, give the ffmpeg package back! Exclusing this package from
 jessie is great mistake. I know nobody, who wants to use avconv
 instead of ffmpeg.

People had been told, right here on this ML, and in great detail, what
to do if they wanted ffmpeg back in jessie.
Complaining is not enough. The necessary work was not done, and now it
is too late.

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Accepted gnome-menus 3.13.3-5 (source) into unstable

2014-12-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Architecture: source
Version: 3.13.3-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
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 gnome-menus - GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu specification
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specification
 libgnome-menu-3-dev - GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu 
specification
Changes:
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 .
   * 30_xdg_syntax.patch: fix typo in the patch as provided by upstream.
 Thanks Jerad Simpson.
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Accepted desktop-base 8.0.2 (source all) into unstable

2014-12-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Gustavo Franco stra...@debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 desktop-base - common files for the Debian Desktop
Closes: 773015
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 .
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Accepted gnome-menus 3.13.3-4 (source) into unstable

2014-12-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Architecture: source
Version: 3.13.3-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
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specification
 libgnome-menu-3-dev - GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu 
specification
Closes: 771710 773013
Changes:
 gnome-menus (3.13.3-4) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * menus.blacklist:
 + Add everything from xscreensaver-data. Closes: #771710.
   * 30_xdg_syntax.patch: patch from upstream git. Support multiple
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Accepted gnome-tweak-tool 3.14.2-2 (source all) into unstable

2014-12-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Source: gnome-tweak-tool
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Version: 3.14.2-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-tweak-tool - tool to adjust advanced configuration settings for GNOME
Closes: 772881
Changes:
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 .
   * Add missing dependency on gir1.2-soup-2.4. Closes: #772881.
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Accepted gnome-shell 3.14.2-3 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-12-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 22:32:31 +0100
Source: gnome-shell
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Version: 3.14.2-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-shell - graphical shell for the GNOME desktop
 gnome-shell-common - common files for the GNOME graphical shell
 gnome-shell-dbg - Debugging symbols for GNOME Shell
Closes: 764715
Changes:
 gnome-shell (3.14.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Add missing dependency on mutter. Closes: #764715.
   * 10_background_race.patch: fix a race condition when loading two
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Accepted desktop-base 8.0.1 (source all) into unstable

2014-12-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:22:33 +0100
Source: desktop-base
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Version: 8.0.1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Gustavo Franco stra...@debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 desktop-base - common files for the Debian Desktop
Closes: 772900 772944
Changes:
 desktop-base (8.0.1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Coucouf ]
   * Fix KSplash preview for Lines. (Closes: #772900)
 .
   [ Josselin Mouette ]
   * Remove old GDM theme.
   * Add GDM/GNOME lockscreen based on Lines.
   * gsettings-override: set it as the default.
   * Update gnome-backgrounds.xml. Closes: #772944.
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Bug#772344: ITP: gnome-weather -- small application to monitor the weather conditions and forecasts

2014-12-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org

* Package name: gnome-weather
  Version : 3.14.1
  Upstream Author : Giovanni Campagna
* URL : https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Weather
* License : GPL v2
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : access current weather conditions and forecasts

This is a small application that allows you to monitor the current
weather conditions for your city, or anywhere in the world, and to
access updated forecasts provided by various internet services.

The package will be hosted in the pkg-gnome repository.
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Accepted gnome-boxes 3.14.2-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Version: 3.14.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-boxes - Simple GNOME app to access remote or virtual systems
Changes:
 gnome-boxes (3.14.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Jackson Doak ]
   * New upstream bugfix release.
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Accepted meta-gnome3 1:3.14+3 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:18:27 +0100
Source: meta-gnome3
Binary: gnome-core gnome gnome-games gnome-platform-devel gnome-devel gnome-dbg 
gnome-api-docs
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 1:3.14+3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome  - Full GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components
 gnome-api-docs - API reference documentation for the GNOME libraries
 gnome-core - GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components
 gnome-dbg  - debugging symbols for the GNOME desktop environment
 gnome-devel - GNOME Desktop Environment -- development tools
 gnome-games - games for the GNOME desktop
 gnome-platform-devel - GNOME development platform
Closes: 771827
Changes:
 meta-gnome3 (1:3.14+3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Use goobox by default instead of sound-juicer. Closes: #771827.
   * Add gnome-shell-extension-weather to gnome.
   * Demote XUL extensions to suggests again, because they are not
 updated whenever iceweasel is upgraded in stable, despite being (at
 least for the keyring plugin) important security features.
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Accepted vte2.91 0.38.1-2 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:49:32 +0100
Source: vte2.91
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Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 0.38.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gir1.2-vte-2.91 - GObject introspection data for the VTE library
 libvte-2.91-0 - Terminal emulator widget for GTK+ 3.0 - runtime files
 libvte-2.91-0-udeb - Terminal emulator widget for GTK+ 3.0 - minimal runtime 
(udeb)
 libvte-2.91-common - Terminal emulator widget for GTK+ 3.0 - common files
 libvte-2.91-dev - Terminal emulator widget for GTK+ 3.0 - development files
 libvte-2.91-doc - Terminal emulator widget for GTK+ 3.0 - documentation
Closes: 770596
Changes:
 vte2.91 (0.38.1-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Bug fixes from upstream git:
 + 10_check_cursor_display.patch: check the cursor’s display before
   using it.
 + 11_cjk_ambiguous_width.patch: copy-paste bug in properties.
 + 12_zombies.patch, 13_zombies.patch: don’t leave zombie processes
   around. Closes: #770596.
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Accepted gksu 2.0.2-9 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:56:37 +0100
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Version: 2.0.2-9
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gksu   - graphical front-end to su and sudo
Changes:
 gksu (2.0.2-9) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted gnome-photos 3.14.2-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:29:34 +0100
Source: gnome-photos
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Version: 3.14.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-photos - application to access, organize and share your photos with GNOME
Changes:
 gnome-photos (3.14.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Laurent Bigonville ]
   * debian/control.in: Only Recommends dleyna-renderer on linux architectures
 .
   [ Josselin Mouette ]
   * New upstream translation and bugfix release.
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Accepted gnome-mines 1:3.14.1-2 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Version: 1:3.14.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-mines - popular minesweeper puzzle game for GNOME
 gnomine- popular minesweeper puzzle game for GNOME (transitional package)
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted libgtksourceviewmm 3.2.0-2 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-12-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:56:40 +0100
Source: libgtksourceviewmm
Binary: libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-0 libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-dev 
libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-dbg libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-doc
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.2.0-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-0 - C++ binding of GtkSourceView
 libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-dbg - C++ binding of GtkSourceView - debugging symbols
 libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-dev - C++ binding of GtkSourceView - development files
 libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-doc - C++ binding of GtkSourceView
Closes: 744612 765229
Changes:
 libgtksourceviewmm (3.2.0-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Use dh-autoreconf. Closes: #744612, #765229.
   * Add build-dependency on mm-common.
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Accepted gnome-settings-daemon 3.14.2-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-12-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:47:04 +0100
Source: gnome-settings-daemon
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.14.2-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-settings-daemon - daemon handling the GNOME session settings
 gnome-settings-daemon-dev - Headers for building applications communicating 
with gnome-settin
Changes:
 gnome-settings-daemon (3.14.2-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * 01_reinstate_updates_plugin.patch: reinstate the “updates” plugin,
 since gnome-software is not in jessie and we need an update
 mechanism.
   * Use patch-translations.mk.
   * Reintroduce GNOME 3.12 translations.
   * Update packagekit-glib build-dependency.
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Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

2014-12-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: 
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 03:02:51PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
 The default should be safe.

No.

The default should be as safe as we can make it without becoming
inconvenient.

As long as we still support non-logind configurations (and I believe we
still do at this point), having the first user added to several groups
will still be necessary, otherwise non-logind configurations will not
have working audio, and that is inconvenience.

We don’t support non-logind configurations.
We support non-systemd-as-pid-1 configurations, but they still run
logind through systemd-shim. 

In both cases (systemd-sysv or systemd-shim), ACLs should be correctly
set for the current user.

This “adduser first-user audio” was already useless in squeeze and it
hasn’t changed. 

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Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

2014-12-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote: 
 We support non-systemd-as-pid-1 configurations, but they still run
 logind through systemd-shim. 

systemd-shim is not essential.  You can still install jessie without
systemd, and hence without running logind.

This is completely off-topic.

We are talking about the anti-feature of adding UID=1000 to the audio
group in the installer. This is only relevant for desktop installations,
and all desktop tasks in the same installer bring logind (formerly
consolekit). 

If you configure, by hand, a headless machine or a X session started
with startx, I’m pretty sure you can also use adduser on your own.

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Accepted seahorse 3.14.0-2 (source) into unstable

2014-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Source: seahorse
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Architecture: source
Version: 3.14.0-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 seahorse   - GNOME front end for GnuPG
Closes: 770241
Changes:
 seahorse (3.14.0-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * 01_ssh_ui.patch, 02_ssh_ui.patch: patches from upstream git. Fix the
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Accepted gnome-shell 3.14.2-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-12-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:52:46 +0100
Source: gnome-shell
Binary: gnome-shell gnome-shell-common gnome-shell-dbg
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.14.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-shell - graphical shell for the GNOME desktop
 gnome-shell-common - common files for the GNOME graphical shell
 gnome-shell-dbg - Debugging symbols for GNOME Shell
Closes: 683338
Changes:
 gnome-shell (3.14.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * gnome-shell.gsettings-override: remove shotwell which is no longer
 part of the default installation.
   * New upstream bugfix release.
 + Summarize notifications instead of queuing up.
   * Bump (build-)dependencies on mutter.
   * 01_network_list.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix an UI bug when
 removing network connections.
   * 02_auth_prompt.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix the prompt with
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Accepted evolution-ews 3.12.9~git20141130.278fe7-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-12-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:49:49 +0100
Source: evolution-ews
Binary: evolution-ews
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.12.9~git20141130.278fe7-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Evolution Maintainers 
pkg-evolution-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 evolution-ews - Exchange Web Services integration for Evolution
Changes:
 evolution-ews (3.12.9~git20141130.278fe7-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream git snapshot from stable branch, includes only bugfixes
 and translations.
   * Update evolution and e-d-s build-dependencies to 3.12.9~.
   * Require libmspack and stop building with the embedded code copy.
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Accepted gedit 3.14.0-3 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-12-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:18:53 +0100
Source: gedit
Binary: gedit gedit-common gedit-dev
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.14.0-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gedit  - official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment
 gedit-common - official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment (support 
fi
 gedit-dev  - official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment (developmen
Changes:
 gedit (3.14.0-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * 10_external-tools_missing_column.patch: patch from upstream git.
 Fixes a typo in the external tools plugin.
   * 11_quick-open_crash_IM.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix a bug in
 the quick-open plugin that makes the input manager crash.
   * 12_send-to-fpaste_path.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix python3
 shebang.
   * 13_window_size.patch: patch from upstream git. Increase the default
 window size.
   * 14_css_leak.patch: patch from upstream git. Avoid a GFile leak when
 loading a nonexistent CSS.
   * 15_line_ending.patch: patch from upstream git. Bring back the
 ability to set line endings.
   * 16_highlightmode_dialog.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix the
 language selector.
   * 17_various_leaks.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix several memory
 leaks.
   * 18_print-preview_typo.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix a typo in
 the print preview.
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Accepted gnome-documents 3.14.2-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-12-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:19:11 +0100
Source: gnome-documents
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.14.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-documents - Document manager for GNOME
Changes:
 gnome-documents (3.14.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream bugfix release.
 + Disable SSLv3 because of POODLE.
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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 29 novembre 2014 à 16:37 +, Ivan Shmakov a écrit : 
  Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
 
 […]
 
   Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
   that could be provided elsewhere.
 
   Is that “use” as in “if available” or is that actually “require
   and be sure to die unless provided”?

Directly: DEs provide more useful features (especially power management)
with systemd but will work correctly without.
Indirectly through PolicyKit: lots of functionality will be missing if
PolicyKit doesn’t have access to a console management interface.

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Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 30 novembre 2014 à 12:50 +, Ivan Shmakov a écrit : 
   PolicyKit rely on logind to know if a user is locally connected.  A
   non-local user won't be allowed things like network management, local
   device mounting or sound card access.
 
   That looks like a problem to solve, not a feature.
 
   For home installs, I see no reason for the owner of the device
   to be /denied/ access to the sound card just because of using
   SSH.  Why, it’s exactly what I do.  (I even did things like
   $ ssh remote ogg123 /dev/stdin  local/file.ogg for various
   reasons in the past.)

PolicyKit does not control access to devices.
The case you pointed out is already handled correctly by systemd: 
  * Users needing full access can be added to the audio group. 
  * Other users only have access to audio devices through ACLs when
physically logged on.

   OTOH, for “workplace” installs, I see no reason for the user to
   be /granted/ access to the things like network management just
   because he or she happens to be logged in locally, – these
   privileges should rather be granted only to the person(s)
   responsible for that particular host.  (And then again, – SSH is
   a perfectly valid way to access to these facilities.)

The nice thing about PolicyKit is that it is configurable.
In this case, you might want to ship laptops to your users and still
allow them to switch wifi networks without giving them root access. But
in the general case, there are things that make sense to forbid in a
workplace environment. It just takes a PKLA file to do so.

   IIRC, D-I used to add the first non-root user it creates (which
   more or less is bound to happen to be the owner, or the person
   otherwise responsible for the host) to a number of groups (like
   audio or plugdev) to grant access to certain devices.  I know of
   no reason to abandon this practice.

This practice is still here, but it is absurd. It makes the first user
created special for no reason, failing the principle of least privilege.
If you need permanent access to this device or that feature for a given
user, you can add it to the required groups only if needed.

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 30 novembre 2014 à 19:59 +0100, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
 You complain about people blaming Debian, or more exactly Debian technical 
 committee and GR decisions, for their decision to leave. Yes, it is anyone´s 
 decision to leave. No one to blame for it.
 
 But that also works in the other direction. By no means anyone did force you 
 to spend your time reading in this and replying to this thread. You decided 
 to 
 do so. Its your decision and there is no one to blame for it.

No.

Some people are abusing this forum dedicated to the *development of
Debian* with off-topic bitter rants about decisions that are not going
to be undone for jessie. They *are* forcing those who want to discuss
the development of Debian to read this fecal matter instead.

For the last time, I am kindly asking you to stop this.

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Accepted evolution-data-server 3.12.9~git20141128.5242b0-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:55:18 +0100
Source: evolution-data-server
Binary: evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-common 
evolution-data-server-dev evolution-data-server-dbg evolution-data-server-doc 
libedataserver-1.2-18 libedataserver1.2-dev gir1.2-edataserver-1.2 
libcamel-1.2-49 libcamel1.2-dev libebook-1.2-14 libebook1.2-dev 
gir1.2-ebook-1.2 libedata-book-1.2-20 libedata-book1.2-dev 
gir1.2-ebookcontacts-1.2 libebook-contacts-1.2-0 libebook-contacts1.2-dev 
libecal-1.2-16 libecal1.2-dev libedata-cal-1.2-23 libedata-cal1.2-dev 
libebackend-1.2-7 libebackend1.2-dev
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.12.9~git20141128.5242b0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Evolution Maintainers 
pkg-evolution-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 evolution-data-server - evolution database backend server
 evolution-data-server-common - architecture independent files for Evolution 
Data Server
 evolution-data-server-dbg - evolution database backend server with debugging 
symbols
 evolution-data-server-dev - Development files for evolution-data-server 
(metapackage)
 evolution-data-server-doc - Documentation files for the Evolution Data Server 
libraries
 gir1.2-ebook-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EBook library
 gir1.2-ebookcontacts-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EBook Contacts library
 gir1.2-edataserver-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EDataServer library
 libcamel-1.2-49 - Evolution MIME message handling library
 libcamel1.2-dev - Development files for libcamel
 libebackend-1.2-7 - Utility library for evolution data servers
 libebackend1.2-dev - Utility library for evolution data servers (development 
files)
 libebook-1.2-14 - Client library for evolution address books
 libebook-contacts-1.2-0 - Client library for evolution contacts books
 libebook-contacts1.2-dev - Client library for evolution contacts books 
(development files)
 libebook1.2-dev - Client library for evolution address books (development 
files)
 libecal-1.2-16 - Client library for evolution calendars
 libecal1.2-dev - Client library for evolution calendars (development files)
 libedata-book-1.2-20 - Backend library for evolution address books
 libedata-book1.2-dev - Backend library for evolution address books 
(development files)
 libedata-cal-1.2-23 - Backend library for evolution calendars
 libedata-cal1.2-dev - Backend library for evolution calendars (development 
files)
 libedataserver-1.2-18 - Utility library for evolution data servers
 libedataserver1.2-dev - Utility library for evolution data servers 
(development files)
Closes: 724595 739324 753478
Changes:
 evolution-data-server (3.12.9~git20141128.5242b0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Fix dependencies for development packages. Closes: #724595.
   * Depend on gnome-keyring. Closes: #739324, #753478.
   * New upstream git snapshot from stable branch, includes only bugfixes
 and translations.
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Accepted gnome-control-center 1:3.14.2-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:08:12 +0100
Source: gnome-control-center
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Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 1:3.14.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-control-center - utilities to configure the GNOME desktop
 gnome-control-center-data - configuration applets for GNOME - data files
 gnome-control-center-dev - utilities to configure the GNOME desktop
Changes:
 gnome-control-center (1:3.14.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream translation and bugfix release.
 + Disables SSLv3 because POODLE.
   * 30_stack_overflow.patch: patch from upstream git. Prevents stack
 overflow in sharing panel.
   * 31_printers_border.patch: patch from upstream git. Removes unwanted
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Accepted gnome-settings-daemon 3.14.2-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 12:46:20 +0100
Source: gnome-settings-daemon
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.14.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-settings-daemon - daemon handling the GNOME session settings
 gnome-settings-daemon-dev - Headers for building applications communicating 
with gnome-settin
Changes:
 gnome-settings-daemon (3.14.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream translation and bugfix release.
   * 30_xrandr_dbus_init.patch: patch from upstream git. Fixes a crash
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Accepted gnome-menus 3.13.3-3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:37:49 +0100
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Version: 3.13.3-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 - GObject introspection data for the GNOME menu library
 gnome-menus - GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu specification
 libgnome-menu-3-0 - GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu specification
 libgnome-menu-3-0-dbg - GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu 
specification
 libgnome-menu-3-dev - GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu 
specification
Changes:
 gnome-menus (3.13.3-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * menus.blacklist:
 + Add vim.desktop (useful as MIME handler, not much so in the menu).
 + Add (v)prerex.desktop (texlive dependency).
 + Add nm-connection-editor.desktop (managed by control-center).
 + Add orca.desktop (managed by gnome-shell).
 + Add gnome-power-statistics.desktop (called from other places).
   * 12_alacarte.patch: new patch. Don’t exclude alacarte.
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Accepted gnome-control-center 1:3.14.2-2 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:38:52 +0100
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Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 1:3.14.2-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-control-center - utilities to configure the GNOME desktop
 gnome-control-center-data - configuration applets for GNOME - data files
 gnome-control-center-dev - utilities to configure the GNOME desktop
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted gnome-shell-extensions 3.14.2-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:06:59 +0100
Source: gnome-shell-extensions
Binary: gnome-shell-extensions
Architecture: source all
Version: 3.14.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-shell-extensions - Extensions to extend functionality of GNOME Shell
Changes:
 gnome-shell-extensions (3.14.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream bugfix release.
   * menu-arrows-icons: new patch. Make arrows consistent with the rest
 of the shell.
   * apps-center-labels.patch: patch from upstream git. Center labels
 vertically in the applications menu.
   * window-list-pointerInNotification.patch: patch from upstream git.
 Update window-list extension for an older shell API change.
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Accepted mutter 3.14.2-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:05:14 +0100
Source: mutter
Binary: mutter mutter-dbg libmutter0e mutter-common libmutter-dev 
gir1.2-mutter-3.0
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.14.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gir1.2-mutter-3.0 - GObject introspection data for Mutter
 libmutter-dev - Development files for the Mutter window manager
 libmutter0e - window manager library from the Mutter window manager
 mutter - lightweight GTK+ window manager
 mutter-common - shared files for the Mutter window manager
 mutter-dbg - Debugging symbols for the Mutter window manager
Changes:
 mutter (3.14.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream bugfix release.
   * 10_window-actor_unredirect.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix crash
 when closing a window.
   * 11_black_background.patch: patch from upstream git. Don’t set a
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Accepted gnome-themes-standard 3.14.2.2-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:30:13 +0100
Source: gnome-themes-standard
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gnome-accessibility-themes
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.14.2.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome-accessibility-themes - Accessibility themes for the GNOME desktop
 gnome-themes-standard - Standard GNOME themes
 gnome-themes-standard-data - Data files for GNOME standard themes
Changes:
 gnome-themes-standard (3.14.2.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream stable release.
 + Many improvements in the GTK2 theming.
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Accepted evolution 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:08:57 +0100
Source: evolution
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evolution-plugins evolution-plugins-experimental
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Evolution Maintainers 
pkg-evolution-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 evolution  - groupware suite with mail client and organizer
 evolution-common - architecture independent files for Evolution
 evolution-dbg - debugging symbols for Evolution
 evolution-dev - development library files for Evolution
 evolution-plugins - standard plugins for Evolution
 evolution-plugins-experimental - experimental plugins for Evolution
 libevolution - evolution libraries
Closes: 770390
Changes:
 evolution (3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream git snapshot from stable branch, includes only bugfixes
 and translations.
 + Fix crash caused by hidden alert buttons. Closes: #770390.
   * Remove geoclue build-dependency.
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Accepted gvfs 1.22.2-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:18:27 +0100
Source: gvfs
Binary: gvfs gvfs-daemons gvfs-libs gvfs-common gvfs-fuse gvfs-backends 
gvfs-bin gvfs-dbg
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 1.22.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gvfs   - userspace virtual filesystem - GIO module
 gvfs-backends - userspace virtual filesystem - backends
 gvfs-bin   - userspace virtual filesystem - binaries
 gvfs-common - userspace virtual filesystem - common data files
 gvfs-daemons - userspace virtual filesystem - servers
 gvfs-dbg   - userspace virtual filesystem - debugging information
 gvfs-fuse  - userspace virtual filesystem - fuse server
 gvfs-libs  - userspace virtual filesystem - private libraries
Changes:
 gvfs (1.22.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream translation and bugfix release.
   * fix-unmout-crash.patch: patch from upstream git. Fix crashes when
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   * fix-cancellation: patch from upstream git. Fix user cancellation of
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Accepted evolution-data-server 3.12.9~git20141128.5242b0-2 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:59:50 +0100
Source: evolution-data-server
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libcamel-1.2-49 libcamel1.2-dev libebook-1.2-14 libebook1.2-dev 
gir1.2-ebook-1.2 libedata-book-1.2-20 libedata-book1.2-dev 
gir1.2-ebookcontacts-1.2 libebook-contacts-1.2-0 libebook-contacts1.2-dev 
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libebackend-1.2-7 libebackend1.2-dev
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 3.12.9~git20141128.5242b0-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Evolution Maintainers 
pkg-evolution-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 evolution-data-server - evolution database backend server
 evolution-data-server-common - architecture independent files for Evolution 
Data Server
 evolution-data-server-dbg - evolution database backend server with debugging 
symbols
 evolution-data-server-dev - Development files for evolution-data-server 
(metapackage)
 evolution-data-server-doc - Documentation files for the Evolution Data Server 
libraries
 gir1.2-ebook-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EBook library
 gir1.2-ebookcontacts-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EBook Contacts library
 gir1.2-edataserver-1.2 - GObject introspection for the EDataServer library
 libcamel-1.2-49 - Evolution MIME message handling library
 libcamel1.2-dev - Development files for libcamel
 libebackend-1.2-7 - Utility library for evolution data servers
 libebackend1.2-dev - Utility library for evolution data servers (development 
files)
 libebook-1.2-14 - Client library for evolution address books
 libebook-contacts-1.2-0 - Client library for evolution contacts books
 libebook-contacts1.2-dev - Client library for evolution contacts books 
(development files)
 libebook1.2-dev - Client library for evolution address books (development 
files)
 libecal-1.2-16 - Client library for evolution calendars
 libecal1.2-dev - Client library for evolution calendars (development files)
 libedata-book-1.2-20 - Backend library for evolution address books
 libedata-book1.2-dev - Backend library for evolution address books 
(development files)
 libedata-cal-1.2-23 - Backend library for evolution calendars
 libedata-cal1.2-dev - Backend library for evolution calendars (development 
files)
 libedataserver-1.2-18 - Utility library for evolution data servers
 libedataserver1.2-dev - Utility library for evolution data servers 
(development files)
Changes:
 evolution-data-server (3.12.9~git20141128.5242b0-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted meta-gnome3 1:3.14+2 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Format: 1.8
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:29:30 +0100
Source: meta-gnome3
Binary: gnome-core gnome gnome-games gnome-platform-devel gnome-devel gnome-dbg 
gnome-api-docs
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 1:3.14+2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
 gnome  - Full GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components
 gnome-api-docs - API reference documentation for the GNOME libraries
 gnome-core - GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components
 gnome-dbg  - debugging symbols for the GNOME desktop environment
 gnome-devel - GNOME Desktop Environment -- development tools
 gnome-games - games for the GNOME desktop
 gnome-platform-devel - GNOME development platform
Changes:
 meta-gnome3 (1:3.14+2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Remove gnome-desktop-environment.
   * Update some versions.
   * Move totem and gnome-shell-extensions to gnome-core.
   * Move brasero to gnome.
   * Move nemiver, gitg and gnome-boxes to gnome-devel.
   * Remove some legacy alternate dependencies.
   * Remove notification-daemon.
   * Add gnome-clocks and gnome-setting-started-docs.
   * Recommend the iceweasel extensions.
   * Remove gnome-core-devel which is heavy-maintenance, no use case.
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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 à 21:29 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : 
 On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
 wrote:
 Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
 that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
 provide a modern init system.
 
 Why does it initialize the network, provide an NTP implementation and
 a radically new logging subsystem then?

There is nothing in the FUD that’s still being spread that hasn’t been
entirely debunked almost a year ago in
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd
I have nothing to add to what we wrote at that time.

And I’m tired of people rehashing the same crap just because they can’t
admit they have been wrong. Systemd is here in jessie, the world didn’t
fall down like you predicted, and those “bitter rearguard battles” Ian
warned us about only achieve a single goal: pissing people off,
including three of those who made this possible by their tireless work. 

This is nothing short of bullying. If you want to help our users, you
can contribute to debianfork, or you can improve your packages in
Debian. But spreading your bitterness on development forums is only
about hurting people.

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 26 novembre 2014 à 16:05 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit :
 And many of us who actually *are* Debian server administrators have said
 repeatedly that your gut is wrong, in the innumerable versions of this
 conversation that have happened over the past two years.  This idea that
 systemd is somehow aimed at desktop environments and is not useful or a
 good idea for servers is complete nonsense.

Yes, yes, and yes. This needs to be put in a frame and bashed in the
head of anyone who keeps repeating that systemd is about GNOME.

Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.

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Re: Re: init system policy

2014-11-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Eric Valette eric.vale...@free.fr wrote: 
 well, debconf seems like a win here.
 There's no reasonable default so it's desirable to make it easy for 
the
 admin to specify and so you'd probably want to use normal best 
practice
 for debconf updates.
I agree with this but unfortunately original minidlna package as no
debconf setup :-)

No problem. Since debconf is not a registry™, you can parse the current
values in /etc/default to fill in debconf, then generate
both /etc/default and the systemd unit. For further updates, you can use
the systemd unit as the primary configuration source.

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Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 15 novembre 2014 à 16:16 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
 The technical committe was asked in #746578 to override the ordering
 of the alternative dependencies on systemd-sysv and systemd-shim to
 prefer the installation of systemd-shim in cases where sysvinit-core
 was already installed.

This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution was
still under discussion.

I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
First, Don, I’d like to thank you for keeping the discussion civil. I
have made a serious accusation, and I don’t want it to be an excuse for
a mudfight.

Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 11:15 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
 §6.3.6 does not prevent the CTTE from being presented an issue early. It
 stops the CTTE from deciding an issue before a consensus approach has
 been attempted. In this particular case, I felt that a consensus
 approach had been attempted when this issue came up for a vote. This
 particular bug has been open since May, and was discussed at length.

There have been discussions, specifically on the debian-ctte mailing
lists, about upgrading to systemd only if the system is not at risk of
breaking sysadmin changes (inittab, custom init scripts).

It strikes me that this possibility has not even been included in the
call for votes for this bug.

 In retrospect, the CTTE may not be working consensus hard enough, and
 for that, I'm sorry. Working to achieve consensus is very difficult,
 time consuming, and fraught. It takes a huge time commitment, and even
 after spending the time, the CTTE may still have to make a decision.

I don’t think it is wrong to want to have a decision at some point, if
the attempts at consensus have failed. Keeping issues in the open for
months, even years, is not going to magically solve them.

It’s not because the resolution is wrong, either. Of course, my opinion
is that it is wrong, and that it is going to rain fire on us when
upgraded systems do not behave like freshly installed ones. But the
point of making decisions is that sometimes they are wrong, and we
should be able to deal with whatever fixing is required later.

The problem here is that the CTTE gives the feeling of having been
played. The same person escalated the problem to the CTTE, framed it
into a fake dichotomy, proposed a resolution that ignored the ongoing
discussions and alternative proposals, and rushed a vote.

Maybe this feeling is unfounded. Maybe all members of the CTTE genuinely
believe that there were no other acceptable proposal, after carefully
examining the issue and the consequences of all scenarios. If this is
the case, we might have a serious communication problem. Because either
way, we have a problem of trust that #746578 is not going to improve.

 I had naïvely assumed that making what I thought were technically
 defensible decisions was good enough. Clearly, enough people in the
 project disagree, and want the CTTE to work harder on consensus first
 before deciding.

I don’t think it has to be the CTTE’s role to build consensus from
nothing. But when genuine attempts are being made, constitution §6.3.6
should be honored.

 I'm already working to rectify that in the case of #766708, and I'm
 certain we could use more help finding consensus with #750135, and maybe
 even #741573. If this is something you (or anyone else in the project)
 feels strongly about, please, work with the CTTE to help find consensus
 on these issues, so we don't actually have to decide.

#741573 is a clear-cut case where consensus has been achieved and a
single maintainer is deliberately acting against it. After that, what
should have been an obvious CTTE decision has been derailed into a
lengthy debate on the philosophy of menu systems.

When a trivial request takes so much time to decide on, and a complex
one is rushed into a hasty resolution, well, maybe that explains the
trust issue I was talking about.

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 21:20 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
 It’s not because the resolution is wrong, either. Of course, my opinion
 is that it is wrong, and that it is going to rain fire on us when
 upgraded systems do not behave like freshly installed ones. 

Ansgar pointed to me on IRC that there is another dependency chain
taking care of upgrades, making the “raining fire” comment an obvious
overstatement. 

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Re: Changement de nom d'un paquet

2014-11-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 07 novembre 2014 à 16:31 +0100, Laurent COOPER a écrit : 
 Paquet B version1 : contient tous les fichiers
   fichier control
   conflicts: A(2)
   replaces: A(2)

Pour information, il est conseillé de mettre Breaks+Replaces et non
Conflicts+Replaces.
Cela facilite le travail du résolveur de dépendances.

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Re: Please more fish (was: so long and thanks for all the fish)

2014-11-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 08 novembre 2014 à 23:30 -0500, Michael Gilbert a écrit : 
 No, the fire is not systemd, it is the politicization of the project
 via ctte and GR rather than patient evolution of the best technical
 solution.

You are definitely right. However, I think we would all appreciate if
you could be less antagonistic about it. Especially against the person
in the CTTE who has been spending the most time digging actual technical
solutions.

The harm is done. The question is: how can we improve our
decision-making process?

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Accepted gdm3 3.14.1-3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Re: Arch-dependent files in /usr/share

2014-11-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 02 novembre 2014 à 10:33 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit :
 This is /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service,
 which is the sole location for declaring services to dbus (i.e., there is no
 corresponding path /usr/lib/dbus-1/system-services).  The file varies by
 architecture because it encodes a reference to the binary daemon, which is
 shipped in a multiarch path.

The same holds for gconf-service and gconf-defaults-service. The path to
the binary is a MultiArch one, but the package is MA: foreign precisely
for this reason. 

We could move the binary to /usr/lib/gconf instead
of /usr/lib/$triplet/gconf, but is there really a point?

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Re: Re: piece of mind

2014-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: 
You know, or at least should know, as well as I that one can 
centralize the code to do all of those things, and abstract them out of 
daemons into a service manager, without that service manager being 
process #1.  

I don’t know whether you are aware of how a UNIX system works, but you
might not have heard of how orphan processes are managed.

From waitpid(2): 
   If a parent process terminates, then its zombie children (if any) are
   adopted by init(8), which automatically performs a wait to  remove  the
   zombies.

Said otherwise, it is not possible to write a reliable service manager
without integrating it to what happens in process #1. 

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Re: piece of mind

2014-10-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 21 octobre 2014 à 16:23 -0700, Cameron Norman a écrit :
 Also, I do not understand the log statement. Once again, Upstart can
 hook up a job's stdout/err to a file in /var/log/upstart/, but I am
 not exactly sure what was being said so maybe I missed the point.

I don’t understand how you can compare that nice hack with the ability
to gather all logging sources to a single place, *reliably* tagged by
service, integrated with service management and syslog, and that can be
queried in a fast way.

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Re: Accepted tasksel 3.29 (source all) into unstable

2014-10-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 21 octobre 2014 à 16:39 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
 #765839 has it tested failing on multiple real-world ARM hardware
 (with proprietary 3D drivers).

Thanks for the pointer.

It looks like this is a bug in either of cogl or the drivers themselves.
Which makes me wonder: how is it that this bug was reported against
tasksel? Is our first reaction in front of a bug to remove the software
instead of fixing it, now?

I understand your reaction and your wanting a working system after
installation. Maybe this bug has an easy fix, maybe not. But could the
relevant maintainers check before?

 Specific information about eg, powerpc hardware that can and cannot
 support it would be useful.

Have the porters been put in the loop?

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Re: Accepted tasksel 3.29 (source all) into unstable

2014-10-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 21 octobre 2014 à 23:40 +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
 And you're trying to tell me that having to use a non-default desktop
 environment on all these virtual machines is ok?  Even those whose very
 purpose is to test programs on such environments?

If the hardware has 3D and the virtual machine hasn’t, then the VM is
not a reliable model for your real hardware. I’m not saying this has an
easy solution, of course, but most (if not all) ARM-targetted OSes make
heavy use of 3D, and apparently they don’t feel limited by VM
capabilities.

 The Mali 3D driver is non-free and not packaged in Debian.  On U2, I took
 pre-made packages (hardkernel community), on Omega it's sunxi-mali.

If there is a problem between Mali and cogl, please report it against
cogl before tasksel.

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Re: LSB headers and other junk, how do you hack a quick init script in debian these days?

2014-10-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Michael Ole Olsen g...@gmx.net wrote: 
How do you hack a quick init script these days?:)

I write a systemd unit file. It’s smaller, faster to write, easier to
understand and works more reliably. 

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Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: 
This is the problem. The init system should not be providing features
which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown, want to make use
of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and most - possibly all? - of the other
init-system candidates don't either.) Such features should be provided
separately, independent of what may happen to be running as PID 1.

These features cannot exist separately. Quoting the systemd position
statement:

[…] while it is true that a handful of trivial interfaces are not really
related to systemd (and could be split out if needed), most of these
features cannot be implemented without close integration to PID 1. It is
not possible to split the system cgroups arbitrator from the process
which starts services and sessions in cgroups. It is not possible to
ensure the relation of a log to a service if you do not have awareness
of how the service was launched. Et caetera. 

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Re: Accepted tasksel 3.29 (source all) into unstable

2014-10-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es wrote: 
* Gnome only works on i386 and amd64, so default to xfce on other 
arches.
  Closes: #765839 Thanks, Adam Borowski for testing.

Gnome only works on i386 and amd64?

GNOME works on all Linux architectures.

GNOME *without hardware 3D* will probably have big trouble running
anywhere but on i386 and amd64.
So in the real world, it depends on the architectures: 
  * real-world desktop powerpc hardware comes with hardware 3D and
free drivers 
  * real-world ARM hardware comes with hardware 3D and non-free
drivers 
  * not sure for mips* and s390

So of course if you want to be sure it works in a Qemu host, GNOME is
probably not the best choice. But in the real world it’s a bit more
complicated than that. 

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Re: Bug#762839: bash without importing shell functions from the environment

2014-09-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au wrote: 

On 26 September 2014 14:15, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:

That would surprise me.  In one case, you're setting an
environment
variable and then running sudo.  In the other case,
you're telling sudo to
run the command echo='() { /bin/echo bar; }' echo foo
via a shell. 


No, I don't think that is the case. I believe sudo interprets
those assignments itself (as also shown in man page), and  the
error I got clearly shows this to be the case.

brian@aquitard:~$ sudo echo='() { /bin/echo bar; id; }'
 ./test.sh
sudo: sorry, you are not allowed to set the following
environment variables: echo

My understanding is that sudo doesn't invoke any sort of shell
unless you expressly tell it to do so.


Does it also apply to variables that are part of env_keep in sudo?
For example if you set TZ, PS1 or XAUTHORITY, which are preserved by
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Re: bash without importing shell functions from the environment

2014-09-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: 
Just to make things clear -- you're advocating #!/bin/sh and running 
dash
as /bin/sh?

(Likely alternatives include at least ksh and mksh, formerly pdksh.)

I think this has already happened wherever it was easy. So to
remove /bin/bash scripts, it needs either some work to remove all
bashisms, or a replacement for the most common functions. So ksh is
certainly part of the solution. 

The global approach should be to make a clear separation between
software intended as login shells (bash, zsh, tcsh) and software that
can be used as script interpreters (dash, mksh… *). And eventually to
forbid using the former ones for the latter use. 

(*) I intendedly omitted csh because it is extremely bad for
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Re: Seeking help with OpenVPN scripts and systemd

2014-09-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au wrote: 

On 26 September 2014 09:32, Matthias Urlichs
matth...@urlichs.de wrote:

True, the usecases overlap somewhat, but they're still
different.

I wouldn't want to install n-m (and the 30 libraries it
depends on)
in an initramfs, for instance. 


Unless I am mistaken, I believe  systemd-networkd would be a lot
better suited the n-m on servers. Configuration is stored in
plain text files, can be recorded in etckeeper/git, etc.


As Vincent explained, NM works in a similar way.
The problem on servers is that you need advanced features such as
bridging, VLANs, bonding… and NM already does all of that.

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Re: Seeking help with OpenVPN scripts and systemd

2014-09-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote: 
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:58:22 +0200, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
The problem on servers is that you need advanced features such as
bridging, VLANs, bonding… and NM already does all of that.

Is there documentation about that?

There is a thorough specification for configuration files and the D-Bus
API.
https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/unstable/ref-settings.html
https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/unstable/spec.html 

I think it lacks an administration guide, though.

Does NM have hooks like wicd used to have?

Yes, these are called dispatcher scripts. Googling it will show a lot of
useful guides on how to write them. 

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Re: bash without importing shell functions from the environment

2014-09-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 25 septembre 2014 à 16:29 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
 I have prepared bash packages which do not honour any shell functions
 they find in the environment.  IMO that is a crazy feature, which
 ought to be disabled.  (I'm running this on chiark now and nothing has
 visibly broken yet.)

Thanks for your effort.

Since I’m pretty sure we haven’t uncovered all of bash’s “features”,
wouldn’t it be a good opportunity to make a release goal of killing all
scripts with a #!/bin/bash shebang?

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Re: Installing debian-security-support by default

2014-09-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 19 septembre 2014 à 18:44 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit :
 I just tried this package that I did not know.
 Two remarks:
 - I find very strange to get notification when upgrading to sid about
   packages not supported
 - I find very inconvenient to get message during the upgrade
   that require that I click on ok. Debconf have been developped
   so that all questions (but very specific ones) are ask *before*
   the upgrade. debian-security-support regularly stops the upgrade
   asking for a confirmation.

I think this way of working is fine for servers or administrated
workstations, where upgrading is usually done either interactively or
through unattended-upgrades.

For personal desktops, I would find it much more useful to get this
feature in PackageKit.

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Re: Can a leaf package require SSE2 on i386?

2014-09-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 14 septembre 2014 à 07:47 +0100, Sébastien Villemot a
écrit :
 So I have two options: either ship a i386 package that only works on
 SSE2 processors (ideally giving a meaningful error message when run on
 older CPUs); or drop support for i386, which is a disservice to our
 users

The silliness of the second option should be enough to make the choice.
Mentioning in the description, and in an error message at launch time,
that the package doesn’t work without SSE2, should be more than enough.

 Also note that my understanding is that some i386 buildds are not
 SSE2-capable (because they are qemu guests configured as such). So, if I
 were to ship an i386 package requiring SSE2, the testsuite would fail on
 those buildds (meaning that I would have to make the testsuite non
 fatal, or ask for blacklisting of those buildd).

I have doubts about the existence of such qemu guests that wouldn’t be
KVM-enabled.

In any case, you have the option to disable the testsuite depending on
the contents of /proc/cpuinfo.

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Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Adam Borowski wrote:
 Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes:
  So, in your POV, forcing millions of sysadmins out there to take 
extra pain to 
  keep their systems running as they expect is the way to go?
 
 I think it's fair to expect the few hundred people[1] that want to 
run a
 non-default init system to do so, yes.
 
   [1] I can also make up numbers :)

Ok, so let's quantify the view of sysadmins somehow.  This can actually
be done in a meaningful way: let's count posts on places where
technically-minded folks gather.  There's plenty of minor blogs that are
biased, but let's choose big sites where we can have a reasonable chance
of being unbiased.  I chose Slashdot and it's fork, SoylentNews.

Excuse me? Are you trying to use the fact that you and your stupid
friends are trolling about systemd all day long in order to justify your
own rants? 

And I thought you couldn’t get any lower. You have a very good shovel.

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Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

2014-09-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Noel Torres wrote: 
 So we are clearly failing to follow the least surprise (for the user) path.
 
 Should not logind depend on systemd-shim | systemd-sysv instead?

No. Systemd is the default init system. The default dependencies should
reflect that. 

And from a purely functional point of view, it makes more sense to bring
by default the standard, upstream-supported, well-tested solution, than
the Debuntu-specific hack to use it with an inferior init system. 

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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 21 août 2014 à 13:17 -0700, Ben Hutchings a écrit : 
 It works for me in a KVM/QEMU VM with cirrus emulation.  That has no 3D
 acceleration, and I am viewing the display with VNC.  As I understand
 it, the composition and animation effects are simplified when LLVMpipe
 is being used, so it is reasonably responsive.

I’m not sure they are. It’s just that LLVMpipe is really awesome :)

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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 14 août 2014 à 08:53 +0200, Christian PERRIER a écrit : 
  → Will you configure different defaults for different architectures?
 
 Given the current architecture of tasksel, I think it requires
 important changes to the code and nearly nobody contributes to the
 code: tasksel is in maintenance only mode with easy to fix bugs being
 fixed as well as bugs or fixes required to cope with changes in
 installed packages.

Since a11y looks like a compelling argument to go back to GNOME by
default, I think we must address that point one way or another if we
want it to happen.

I think there are several ways to do that: 
  * tweak the debian-cd scripts to build GNOME images for Linux
architectures and Xfce or MATE images for !linux (I can’t tell
how hard it is) 
  * make stripped-down gnome-core/gnome metapackages for !linux,
relying on lightdm and gnome-flashback (that I can do) 
  * hackishly make gnome-core/gnome metapackages depend directly on
Xfce or MATE for !linux instead of GNOME (same)

Overall, a gnome-flashback solution would probably be more featureful,
but it is clearly less maintained than e.g. Xfce.

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Re: Packaging postinstall handles

2014-08-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 14 août 2014 à 15:12 +0200, Mathieu Slabbinck a écrit : 
 The background process is placed under /etc/xdg/autostart/ so it
 launcher at user login.

 1) automatically reload udev rules after installation.

This is automatic. You don’t have anything to do.

 2) kickstart the background process after installation.

A package should never do anything directly to a running session. As for
any rule, there are exceptions such as mechanisms to signal a reload,
but even those are workarounds. You should never launch anything in the
user session. Once your launcher is installed in /etc/xdg/autostart, the
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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 12:26 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : 
 Ian Jackson wrote:
  Do you intend to review (or are you reviewing) the decision taken in
  July 2012 [1] ?  If so, is this discussion here on -devel useful ?  If
  it is useful, what questions should we be focusing on ?
 
 See my 1st message to this thread.
 
 Can't say I've found most of the thread useful.

I’d like the thread to be useful, and for that goal it would be much
appreciated if the d-i team could you tell us what the relevant criteria
are and what people need to work on.

→ Is the installation CD size still relevant?
→ What is the target audience of Debian-installer for the default image?
→ What is the required level of accessibility?
→ Will you configure different defaults for different architectures?

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Accepted fontconfig 2.11.0-6 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-08-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 2.11.0-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Keith Packard kei...@debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
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Description: 
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 libfontconfig1-dev - generic font configuration library - development
 libfontconfig1 - generic font configuration library - runtime
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Closes: 731724 739011
Changes:
 fontconfig (2.11.0-6) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Keith Packard ]
   * Fix misplaced 11-lcdfilter-default.conf. Closes: #731724.
   * Remove spurious /etc/fonts.conf.d.
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Accepted gdm3 3.12.2-2.1 (source) into unstable

2014-08-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Version: 3.12.2-2.1
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Description:
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 gir1.2-gdm3 - GObject introspection data for the GNOME Display Manager
 libgdm-dev - GNOME Display Manager (development files)
 libgdm1- GNOME Display Manager (shared library)
Closes: 756068 756719 757889
Changes:
 gdm3 (3.12.2-2.1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Reinstate patches for better VT management.
 + 17_switch_on_finish.patch: introduce a setting for GdmDisplay that
   says it needs to go to the login screen when set.
 + 18_all_displays_transient.patch: give all local displays the same
   properties. Restart them by default, not restart them when told
   not to.
 + 19_switch_kill_greeter.patch: when switching to an existing
   session, kill the greeter session and the afferent X server.
 + debian/rules: use configure switch to disable the -novtswitch
   argument to X, if it ever builds again on !linux.
   * 01_session_windowpath.patch, 02_slave_windowpath.patch: reintroduce
 WINDOWPATH. Patches from upstream. Closes: #757889.
   * tr.po: updated Turkish translation from Mert Dirik. Closes: #756719.
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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 03:03 +0100, Anthony F McInerney a écrit : 
 I had stated previously XFCE had started showing memory usage similar
 to gnome. This has quite obviously changed. I was wrong, and i'm
 posting it as a correction to my statement.

You’re comparing apples and oranges. These memory usage comparisons are
only useful at feature parity - which doesn’t exist, since different
environments have different paradigms and different feature sets.

 How much RAM does your browser use? 
 Lots, which is why i prefer my DE not to eat it all.

When the browser uses 1 GB while GNOME (including evolution and many
other running applications) uses half of that, I don’t think you need to
look for memory savings in the desktop. You need to buy more RAM and
that’s all, because browsers won’t suddenly stop needing their gigabyte.

 If you can't run GNOME because you don't have the system specs
 to run a modern desktop then you can select XFCE/LXDE in the
 installation menu. But let's be fair, those people are a
 minority. And a default should fit the needs of the majority. 
 Ahh good you have statistics for that. Please link them, or quote and
 cite sources.

I just had a look at an online hardware store.
Out of their 682 laptops and 332 desktops: 
  * 1 model has 1 GiB 
  * 48 models have 2 GiB 
  * 470 models have 4 GiB 
  * 495 have 6 GiB or more

Which means 0,1% of the machines you can buy are not able to run a web
browser anyway,  5% are more than enough for a full-fledged GNOME+web
browser, and all the rest are very comfortable with anything you can run
under Linux.

 Some people like the 'basic 3d acceleration' for other things, so not
 only do you want me to sacrifice my RAM to all powerful DE, but also
 my GPU? How kind of you ;)

We happen at work to have users with very important needs of 3D
resources, so one of my colleagues conducted some performance tests with
and without a compositor (the compositor being GNOME 3).

It turns out that with a recent adapter, 3D applications are running a
small bit faster under GNOME, and that’s probably because it saves your
graphics card the pain to switch from 2D to 3D contexts. 
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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 13:12 +0100, Anthony F McInerney a écrit : 
 Virtualbox Results (no guest drivers installed)

Glxgears is not a relevant 3D benchmark.

But the funniest thing is that you did this test without any 3D
acceleration, which is not representative at all of most real-world
computers.

Thanks for making the point that with llvmpipe, GNOME is perfectly
usable on a machine without 3D. 
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 14:53 +0200, wm4 a écrit : 
 gstreamer has more problems than it solves. (Forces glib/gobject on
 you, GTK-style OOP, pretty crashy, tons of low-quality plugins,
 complicated API and design, ...)

Hummm, I know FUD when I see it…

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