Re: debian can be better
Am 27.10.2010 23:32, schrieb Russell Coker: Speaking for myself I'm more than happy for people who want Debian with non- free software to use Ubuntu. I think that they are doing a great job of making a Debian-derived distribution that supports non-free software and is easy to use. In my opinion, and at risk of starting a fruitless spiral into the flames, I think Ubuntu have jumped on the crazy train with 10.10 Maverick Meerkat. I think Debian is fine the way it is. Dedicated to freedom, but not bone-headed about it. I wish Nvidia and AMD/ATI would come to better terms with the devs of all Linux distributions, but as long as I can continue to take advantage of non-free where it's appropriate for me, I'll be satisfied. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cca0925.3050...@allums.com
Re: Installing Vmware v71
If anyone can get VmWare-Workstation 7 installed on Debian (Testing/Sid), I would very much like to hear your story. Thanks a lot. I installed it last week, v7.1.2. I had no trouble, worked like a charm. Just invoked the installer. I did invoke it as root. I really can't be more helpful, because I paid no serious attention to it. Windows 7 64-bit runs perfectly with it. I have the full tool chain and the full kernel headers and full kernel source installed. I couldn't install some of the features because I don't have Eclipse installed, but I doubt that has any bearing on your situation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb127c3.5050...@allums.com
Re: Update Lenny to Squeeze
On 8/9/2010 9:36 AM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Michel] I don't know where is the work on upgrade documentation but I wanted underline this order. At least the udev issue is known to me. It can be worked around by touching /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade before upgrading udev, allowing the kernel and udev to be upgraded at the same time and without reboot between them. SeeURL: http://bugs.debian.org/549522, URL: http://bugs.debian.org/566000 and URL: http://bugs.debian.org/571255 for discussion about the udev issue. It has been known for a while, and no-one have been able to come up with a udev patch to avoid it, so I guess we will have to live with this upgrade pain for Lenny-Squeeze. Happy hacking, As a user, I now know about this, but I think I would like to have it feature prominently in (several) conspicuous places were I coming to the upgrade cold. A suggestion. A failed boot can ruin your whole day. Thanks to all Debian developers and others for all your work. It is appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c601647.6060...@allums.com
Re: FORTRAN implementation in Lenny
On 2/21/2010 10:28 PM, Mark Allums wrote: On 2/21/2010 4:44 PM, Fuentes, Adolfo wrote: ]$ gcc -O3 -lm -march=nocona -o nbody.x nbody.c ]$ time ./-o nbody.x 5000 Energy 0: -0.169075164 Energy 1: -0.169059907 Elapsed time: 1m 17.4s ]$ f95 -O3 -lm -march=nocona -o nbody.x nbody.f90 ]$ time ./nbody.x 5000 Energy 0: -0.169075164 Energy 1: -0.169059907 Elapsed time: 2m 31.7s ]$ g95 -O3 -lm -march=nocona -o nbody.x nbody.f90 ]$ time ./nbody.x 5000 Energy 0: -0.169075164 Energy 1: -0.169059907 Elapsed time: 1m 40.3s gcc is highly* optimized, the g95 compiler would have similar optimizations, because they share back ends. The Intel compiler should beat it, however, if you are very familiar with Intel architecture, and are willing to learn the ins and outs. I'm not personally acquainted with other compilers, so can't answer questions about them. (And my FORTRAN days are behind me. I can only answer in these general terms. I hope someone else can be more specific.) Hope this helps, Mark Allums I just realized that I have confused GNU FORTRAN with something else. What is g95? Disregard the above. Carry on. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b832ad6.9030...@allums.com
Re: FORTRAN implementation in Lenny
On 2/21/2010 4:44 PM, Fuentes, Adolfo wrote: ]$ gcc -O3 -lm -march=nocona -o nbody.x nbody.c ]$ time ./-o nbody.x 5000 Energy 0: -0.169075164 Energy 1: -0.169059907 Elapsed time: 1m 17.4s ]$ f95 -O3 -lm -march=nocona -o nbody.x nbody.f90 ]$ time ./nbody.x 5000 Energy 0: -0.169075164 Energy 1: -0.169059907 Elapsed time: 2m 31.7s ]$ g95 -O3 -lm -march=nocona -o nbody.x nbody.f90 ]$ time ./nbody.x 5000 Energy 0: -0.169075164 Energy 1: -0.169059907 Elapsed time: 1m 40.3s gcc is highly* optimized, the g95 compiler would have similar optimizations, because they share back ends. The Intel compiler should beat it, however, if you are very familiar with Intel architecture, and are willing to learn the ins and outs. I'm not personally acquainted with other compilers, so can't answer questions about them. (And my FORTRAN days are behind me. I can only answer in these general terms. I hope someone else can be more specific.) Hope this helps, Mark Allums *It's been losing ground in some areas, last few releases. gcc has emitted-code-performance regressions due to tighter requirements with floating-point precision and its corresponding standards for some architectures; the g++ people are working-in new code for the upcoming c++ standard. It's always a work in progress. As long as gcc can compile and ld link working Linux kernels, though, most people will be happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b8207ea.5040...@allums.com
Re: GDM, getty and VTs
On 12/27/2009 12:21 AM, Gaijin wrote: Ice Weasel won't run many web pages as well as it does in Windows Firefox, including my Linksys router's configuration page, Iceweasel will run everything Firefox on Windows will, excepting things where the problem is Linux versus Windows. It might help if you changed the user agent string (in about:config) from Iceweasel to Firefox. That makes a lot of websites work better. Also, you might give Google Chrome a try. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is it time to remove sun-java6?
Patrick Matthäi wrote: Games on www.playray.de also do not work with openjdk, e.g.: http://www.playray.de/spielen/klassische/yatzy/ With iceweasel I only get a grey window, also for every other game on this site. That's a Flash issue. Uninstall some of swfdec (I forget offhand which bits) and install flash-nonfree, the corresponding Mozilla plugin, etc. Sorry I'm being vague on this, but I'm minus some hours on sleep and really should be in bed. Someone can corroborate me or correct me. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is it time to remove sun-java6?
Patrick Matthäi wrote: Mark Allums schrieb: Patrick Matthäi wrote: Games on www.playray.de also do not work with openjdk, e.g.: http://www.playray.de/spielen/klassische/yatzy/ With iceweasel I only get a grey window, also for every other game on this site. That's a Flash issue. Uninstall some of swfdec (I forget offhand which bits) and install flash-nonfree, the corresponding Mozilla plugin, etc. Sorry I'm being vague on this, but I'm minus some hours on sleep and really should be in bed. Someone can corroborate me or correct me. Yeah I can correct you: It is java, not flash. Okay, I shall visit the site and make tests. It *sounds* like an issue with Flash that occurs for many people. And it may not be swfdec package itself, but related packages. The swfdec Mozilla plugin, maybe. (Sorry, I'm being sloppy; I'll shut up now, and let the actual productive dev maintainer people get back to work.) Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is it time to remove sun-java6?
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 11:44:21AM -0400, Barry deFreese wrote: There has also been some similar discussions in Ubuntu with some users reporting that some web sites and packages don't work with openjdk but I have not seen a lot of concrete proof. I might look a naive user here, but with openjdk I still don't have plugin support in firefox 3.5, whereas it was working with sun-java*. I'm on amd64 and using icedtea6-plugin, even the most simple examples of http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/1.5.0/demos/applets.html do not appear to work. I know I should have filled the bug report first, but I frankly discovered only now that the equivalent of old sun-java6-plugin metapackage is icedtea and that's bring me to another subject: users should be informed on how to migrate away from sun java6 (even because it would be a de facto switch from non-free software to free software, even if it is the same). Do we currently have a smooth migration path from the old set of packages to the new set in place for Lenny to Squeeze migrations? Before that is in place, I'd consider premature removing sun-java*. Cheers. Apropos of this topic, Eclipse in Squeeze for me crashes on startup with Java errors using OpenJDK. To be fair, it isn't especially stable with Sun. Eclipse in Sid runs, but with reduced function. I have not checked to see if bugs have been filed, but since the topic was raised here, I thought I'd mention it. (Besides, my system is not too weird, and I expected since it was a startup crash, it surely would have been filed by now. At any rate, I would have filed it as an Eclipse bug, not a Java bug.) Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Virt-what support for VirtualBox?
Bernd Eckenfels wrote: In article 4a6efb99.8060...@allums.com you wrote: I somewhat favor VirtualBox, since Debian runs inside it very well and it runs on Debian very well, and it has the open-source edition. Occasionally, something like Virt-what might come in handy for me. Virtualbox can be recognized by Vendor strings in BIOS, you can use biosdecode or lshw to find them. So I guess it is no big deal to extend virt-what to find those signatues. Thank you. I did some fiddling around after asking the question, and realized this was the case. The chipset being emulated is the 440FX (which is hardly unique), and quite a few of the devices vendor IDs show VBOX. I am a bit interested in detecting malware under Linux and Windows, and virtalization is the next frontier. I haven't given it much thought yet, but it bears thinking about in the near future. Right now, bringing it up in a forum can bring ridicule, but I can see that in time, those people won't be smiling. Thanks again, Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Virt-what support for VirtualBox?
At the moment, Virt-what can detect VMWare, Microsoft Versions of Virtual PC, OpenVZ, Xen-HVM, Xen-DomU, Xen-Dom0, KVM, and QEMU. That looks like Virt-what does not detect VirtualBox. Is it likely to be added in the future? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Virt-what support for VirtualBox?
Chris Lamb wrote: Mark Allums wrote: That looks like Virt-what does not detect VirtualBox. Is it likely to be added in the future? Your question is better redirected at the Fedora-virt mailing list; they develop this software, not us: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-virt Alternatively, you could try the #virt channel on OFTC. Regards, Thank you. I assumed asking was okay, since there was some discussion of it on the dev list earlier (although I seem to have amused some people with a tangential comment). I somewhat favor VirtualBox, since Debian runs inside it very well and it runs on Debian very well, and it has the open-source edition. Occasionally, something like Virt-what might come in handy for me. Thanks, guys, for all your hard work. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#538202: ITP: virt-what -- detect if we are running in a virtual machine
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Joe Smith wrote: Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: Virt-what is more accurate than Imvirt, version 1.0 can tell the difference between Xen Dom0 and DomU. The new version (1.1, released on 23 july 2009) can tell the difference between QEMU and KVM, and can tell if you are running inside a Xen fullvirt guest. This sounds cool. Does it support user-mode-linux as well? At the moment, it can detect VMWare, Microsoft Versions of Virtual PC, OpenVZ, Xen-HVM, Xen-DomU, Xen-Dom0, KVM, and QEMU. I'm betting the author would be willing to incorporate checks for other systems if they can be easilly done in a bash script. r...@cinder:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : User Mode Linux model name : UML mode: skas host: Linux anzu 2.6.30.2-anzu #3 SMP Thu Jul 23 15:24:12 CDT 2009 x86_64 bogomips: 548.86 It would be appreciated if the ITP'er could convey this to upstream. The output above should leave no doubt that we are running in an UML machine. Some doubt always exists; the environment could be lying. Someone might run UML under VMWare under Mac OS X, if that's not too ridiculous. Which host would you like to know about? Something to think about eventually might be nested virtualization, a la Blue Pill. (Not something to worry about right now, though.) What about VirtualBox, assuming it survives Oracle? (Maybe it will; the OSE version is GPL, is it not?) Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#538202: ITP: virt-what -- detect if we are running in a virtual machine
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, Jul 26 2009, Mark Allums wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Joe Smith wrote: Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: Virt-what is more accurate than Imvirt, version 1.0 can tell the difference between Xen Dom0 and DomU. The new version (1.1, released on 23 july 2009) can tell the difference between QEMU and KVM, and can tell if you are running inside a Xen fullvirt guest. This sounds cool. Does it support user-mode-linux as well? At the moment, it can detect VMWare, Microsoft Versions of Virtual PC, OpenVZ, Xen-HVM, Xen-DomU, Xen-Dom0, KVM, and QEMU. What about VirtualBox, assuming it survives Oracle? (Maybe it will; the OSE version is GPL, is it not?) What about it? Does Virt-what detect VirtualBox? Or will it? Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 06:14:34PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: If the documentation is something designed to be viewed in a web browser and the user has broadband, it is arguably easier to find it on the web. Even knowing precisely where it is[/usr/share/doc/aptitude is it -doc or just aptitude, oops I already found it online google aptitude doc first result], it is still arguably faster to find it online and once you bookmark it is virtually identical. You are assuming all our user-base has high-speed broadband Internet access which is certainly not the case. High speed Internet access is still a luxury in some countries of the world. Regards Javier Exactly. Like the U.S.A., for instance. Millions of people are still doomed to dialup, here. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What should be on a rescue CD ? (was Re: Debian Live Lenny Beta1)
Ian Jackson wrote: Which ONE version of Emacs ? Both nvi _and_ elvis ? Consider something akin to pico/nano as well. Something very small and lightweight and easy to use. Something for the near misses in the experience department: someone who is able to install and run Debian (mostly) but still is a bit green/wet behind the ears when it comes to something like a rescue. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
