Re: XFCE4 notes
On 20/07/2021 00:09, Wookey wrote: On 2021-07-14 20:05 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 14.07.21 um 19:54 schrieb Paul Sutton: Hi All Am I right in thinking that xfce4-notes has been removed? I have installed xfce4-goodies and it isn't installed. From unstable/testing that is correct. See https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xfce4-notes-plugin specifically https://tracker.debian.org/news/1114283/removed-181-3-from-unstable/ Hmm. That's very annoying. I use it on a daily basis. I see that the reason is given in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=955349 'uses unmaintained libunique'. Any further comments on what would be required to get this back? Was libunique actually broken/a problem, or merely unmaintained? Is there something else one should use to do the same job, in which case maybe the best thing is to update xfce-notes-plugin to use it? Assuming that's not too difficult I don't mind doing some work to get it back in a ship-able state. Or it there something else that is still around that does the same job as the notes plugin? It's quite unusual in the way it works. Wookey Hi gnotes was suggested, however I think the issue for users will be that while the files that store data are in plain text, if they are backed up before reinstalling debian, they can just be dropped back in place and you can carry on with your notes. For me xrce4-notes are stored in ~/.local/share/notes/Notes Using a new program means work flow is impacted for people (I a thinking of others here) I am happy to switch to gnotes, however would be good to have xfce4-notes working again. Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 21st Debian Conference August 22 to August 29, 2021. DebCamp from August 15 to August 21, 2021 https://debconf21.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
XFCE4 notes
Hi All Am I right in thinking that xfce4-notes has been removed? I have installed xfce4-goodies and it isn't installed. apt search xfce4-notes Sorting... Done Full Text Search... Done xfce4-goodies/testing,now 4.14.0 amd64 [installed] enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment Appears to suggest that installing xfce4-goodies will install xfce4-notes. Unless I am interpreting that incorrectly. Thankfully, it used good old plain text, so all my notes are still readable. Thanks Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he 21st Debian Conference August 22 to August 29, 2021. DebCamp from August 15 to August 21, 2021 https://debconf21.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian 11
On 14/07/2021 11:25, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: Hi Paul, Paul Sutton writes: Hi I installed Debian 11 on my new hard disk yesterday in preparation for the release, everything went very smoothly, I did manage to skip selecting a mirror (error on my part) but adding that manually worked fine after asking for help on IRC. Also good learning point on adding items manually, so not a bad thing. Looks really nice, so really well done to the developer and other teams on the upcoming release. I have now set up a separate home partition too Keep up the good work Thanks for your feedback, it's greatly appreciated! Enjoy Debian 11! Cheers, -- PEB No problem you're welcome. One comment, not sure if this will help people, running xfce4, seemed rather slow on my system. I used Window Manager tweaks to turn off the compositor and it is much faster and more responsive. I will see what is loaded at start up to see if there is anything I can remove that is not needed. Regards Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he 21st Debian Conference August 22 to August 29, 2021. DebCamp from August 15 to August 21, 2021 https://debconf21.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Debian 11
Hi I installed Debian 11 on my new hard disk yesterday in preparation for the release, everything went very smoothly, I did manage to skip selecting a mirror (error on my part) but adding that manually worked fine after asking for help on IRC. Also good learning point on adding items manually, so not a bad thing. Looks really nice, so really well done to the developer and other teams on the upcoming release. I have now set up a separate home partition too Keep up the good work Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 21st Debian Conference August 22 to August 29, 2021. DebCamp from August 15 to August 21, 2021 https://debconf21.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: ARM architectures
On 06/06/2021 11:43, Aaron Dewes wrote: I personally prefer the Raspi 4 because it can run plain Debian in a way supported by a Debian Developer I'm interested in this version, do you know how it is built (Manually, or is there a build script to verify the images)? Does the RPi4 is totally 64 bit ? It can run plain Debian arm64. Is that "total 64 bit"? As far as I know, it can also run 32bit flavors of Linux This is the default OS they provide, the 64 bit version is still hidden as Beta. but I don't know whether a multi-arch installation is possible. You would think, as the Raspberry Pi is about education and learning about coding, it would be easier to get involved with testing etc. Would be good to help test or at least do have the 64 bit downloadable easily (with warnings of course) so it can be tested. I am hopefully running a CoderDojo once we are back up out of lock down in the UK. Paul OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: ARM architectures
On 05/06/2021 09:46, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 04:39:08AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: I do agree that the Raspberry is able to run up to 4 Gb, but there's other board too. (to 8 actually) Yes I agree on 8, the Raspberry pi 400 is still 4gb though, not sure if there will be a 8gb version. Would be nice. I did read that the System on Chip (SoC?) can support up to 16GB, but not sure if that is the case or if there will be a 16 gb version. I like the idea of SATA Support on some of the mentioned boared too. Paul -- -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 21st Debian Conference August 22 to August 29, 2021. DebCamp from August 15 to August 21, 2021 https://debconf21.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******
On 04/04/2021 22:38, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: Hi guys, Please stop replying. That is a troll, will be banned quickly, dont maintain it alive. Just ignore, listmaster and bts will do what is needed. Keep power for other more interesting things. Regards +1 to this, I am on the free software foundation lists and have been involved in various conversations around code of conduct and related ideas to make sure that environments are free of abuse. I have also worked in a school, and was subjected abuse, at the hands of children, which was fobbed off by teachers. So I am all for creating safe, non toxic environments to work in. I support RMS, simply because he is a spokesperson for the free software and is passionate about that. RMS is one person, one of thousands who write, develop and support free software. It would be nice if we could just work together, regardless of which side we are on. focus on what is important, building free software and the best OS in the world, Debian of course, and building safe inclusive communities for all. :) Regards Paul Le 04/04/2021 à 23:18, crazy.mo...@lavache.com a écrit : If you don't want these ego-maniacs to use your name in their vendettas you can resign from Debian. This is the choice. How many people will resign if Debian votes to attack Stallman? Please tell us before the vote finishes so we call can know this now. No matter the outcome of this vote. Having the vote at all suggests that people are expendable. Volunteers can be hung over the side of the ship while people have an email argument about what to do next. Why don't you understand how toxic this is? There are so many years of defamation in Debian now. Delete it all now. Delete the negative options from the vote now. Please stop or we stop you. From: Stephan Lachnit To: crazy.mo...@lavache.com Subject: Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *** Date: 04/04/2021 22:38:20 Europe/Paris Cc: 986...@bugs.debian.org; debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? If you refer to Jonathan Carter, that isn't even the person that started the vote, nor an original author of the open letter. Do your research, tbh to me it seems like you are a complete outsider. > Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! You can't have it both ways. First of all, nobody wants to "destroy" RMS. Calling someone to resign isn't destroying them, especially if they were just (secretly) elected. Secondly, why are you so toxic and want to "destroy" everybody? There is really no point, all you do is make the FLOSS community weaker and more divided. And since you seem to care about RMS and his ideas, I don't think that is something you would like. > If Debian is a vehicle for defamation, every one of you faces full consequences. Debian is a democracy. Assume one person votes in favor of RMS (which as you can see some people will do), why do you want them to face your alleged consequences? That doesn't make sense. They have no power to do the things you ask for. In fact, nobody in Debian has. Again, I don't think you understand the Debian project at all. > Your jobs are the targets. Your families are targets. I can understand that you are angry even if I don't agree with your views, but I don't think anyone here wants to harm RMS. Everyone here just wants the best for the FLOSS community. Why do you want to harm them so badly? Opinions on how what's the best for the community may differ, but that's fine. Discussions are healthy, as long as they stay friendly (btw your mails aren't). I have learned a lot from discussions, and yes sometimes people (me included) get unfriendly or say things that turn out to be false. But as long as we apologize for mistakes, we can grow from it. > No volunteer should have to suffer you toxic people Don't you think, just maybe, that we shouldn't suffer from your toxicity as well? Especially since we will suffer much more than you can ever suffer from this. I mean, what's the worst that can happen from your point of view? RMS resigns again? Then everything would be just like a month ago. Regards, Stephan -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Realtek RTL8723DE, RTL8821CE, RTL8822BE and RTL8822CE chipsets
On 01/04/2021 07:52, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 10:38:11PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 10:20:03PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: Not sure what hardware you are talking about but the majority of WiFI hardware is supported by the mainline kernels, at least after you load their firmware. I assume you haven't tried very much wifi hardware. Realistically, the state of wifi support is still terrible. The best thing to do is try to buy something known to be supported, but that's relatively difficult for most people because the name on the box generally has nothing to do with the chips inside the box. Can you please list some unsupported chips in addition to these specific Realtek ones? It has been suggested to me to buy the external USB wifi dongles, while this is fine if the device is pretty much flush or perhaps only 5mm out from the side, anything bigger risks it being caught or knocked, which will not only cause damage to the dongle but also the laptop it's self, In that light our choices are perhaps more limite Paul -- -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Security and Accessibility
Hi, this is probably a little off topic. I found this on Mastodon, posted via Tactical Tech @info_activ...@mastodon.cc Online security can be a nightmare for disabled people. A handful of researchers are trying to change that. https://logicmag.io/security/access-denied/ Some interesting research happening, posting here as it may be interesting to the UX and developer team(s). Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 LibrePlanet 2021 - March 20th & 21st - https://libreplanet.org/2021/ Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian Project's stance on Richard Stallman
On 26/03/2021 18:14, jathan wrote: Hi, Regardless of supporting Richard Stallman or not returning to the FSF, its organisational structure and its way of taking decisions, what is certain is that this situation will cause division, hatred and grudge within different Free Software communities and that will be the most harmful thing for the growth and strength of Free Software development, even beyond the moral aspects or wrongdoings of Richard Stallman. I think Debian should not be affected in its unity and work by deciding whether to make an official statement on behalf of the whole project in support of one position or the other. I propose that in a personal way those who want to sign or not sign any of the letters, go ahead, but that no public statement be made on behalf of the Debian Project in an official way. How will the Debian Project benefit from that? It will gain in division and weakness as is already showing up on the mailing lists, Regards Jathan I agree, we should concentrate on what is important:- * Building the best distro out there * Ensuring our own community is open, transparent, inclusive and respectful and is safe to be part of for everyone * Ensuring software freedom can and continues to thrive in the face of so many challenges, obstacles and threats. Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 LibrePlanet 2021 - March 20th & 21st - https://libreplanet.org/2021/ Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: application/pgp-keys OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer
On 02/03/2021 13:46, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi Steve, On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well! On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly missed something! Debugging that now... I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there is something I could test meanwhile. I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job, UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend. I admit I did not payed much attention on the development of tasksel and thus the chances to select Blends right from the installer. The topic remains to be urgent for all Blends - but I'm afraid it will be to late for Debian 10. Or did I missed something and the status is promising for this release? Kind regards and thanks for all your attempts anyway Andreas. This would be a great feature and very welcome be able to do more with tasksel. Maybe we can come up with other ideas, as if it is going to be updated, then make sure the features are there. Or given the number of blends, we need to come up with the most important / popular ones to include, last thing you want is a huge list. Regards Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian-wide firmware prober
On 10/02/2021 06:31, Zlatan wrote: There is isenkram-cli which can detect and autoinstall the needed firmware. Z Ah thanks for this, I had never heard of that one, these tools need to be better known. Also vrms, lists any non-free software installed it may help anyone who wants to keep non-free software to a minimum. But also both of these helps the developers Also could be a way to audit what is actually out there, could feed in to helping developers. I understand the dilemma we have here, trying to create a free OS, free of non free software but up against it, usually with the essential items such as networking hardware, needing non free firmware / drivers etc. But anything to help is a good thing, networking is pretty essential, and wireless networking is essential on portable devices or they are less than portable. Keep up the good work. Regards Paul On February 10, 2021 3:11:29 AM GMT+01:00, "積丹尼 Dan Jacobson" wrote: Hey everybody, wouldn't it be nice if there was a prober, like lshw, that probed all the firmware one needed? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=982402 <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=982402> It would say: " You need the following Debian firmware packages firmware-X firmware-Y firmware-Z Remember, a proper system needs proper firmware. Not too much, but also not too little. " -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Fixed release dates are hurting quality
On 08/02/2021 12:52, Matthias Klose wrote: On 2/7/21 3:20 PM, David Bremner wrote: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: It shouldn't be enough for a package to have its worst bugs fixed like FTBFS or crashes when it gets shipped with a release. Packages that are being shipped with a release should also be properly maintained or not shipped at all. For context, there are currently 929 packages maintained by packa...@qa.debian.org. That doesn't count packages that have an inactive maintainer, which is more challenging to quantify. that also doesn't include any team-maintained package with inactive uploaders. The current model seems to work, this seems to be release the next version of Debian every 2 years (when ready) then a point release update it seems every 2/3 months, other updates are released as and when needed. I agree if there are major bugs these packages should not make it, but would that encourage people to get involved and help or just moan that package x is no longer available. Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Making Debian available - Testing iso download
I decided to start a new thread on this Looking at the Debian publicity list, Arduino is back in Debian from the next release, I think. (Debian 11) However trying to find an iso to test this https://www.debian.org/ there is a download link for the current release (Buster) Would it be possible to make it easier to find the ISO for the next release please. I think the previous thread highlighted this as a real barrier. The main page has a get involved link which leads to https://www.debian.org/devel/join/ Which could be an ideal place for a link perhaps. Thanks Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 LibrePlanet 2021 - March 2021 - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: application/pgp-keys OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor
On 29/01/2021 03:23, Yao Wei wrote: Hi, Could there be the way that, with installer unable to connect to the internet, it detects the list of missing blobs, and generate a webpage in the thumb drive, and let user plug in another flash drive to download them. I agree with this idea, it would be really helpful, in fact the step in the installer that asks for a driver disk could perhaps be removed, So in terms of extra steps remove one, add this. Perhaps however as there is also an automated install / unintended install option this could be part of that too so subsequent installs could pull in the extra drivers once downloaded. Paul At then, we can let users download the missing drivers from the generated webpage, like the following: Additional packages for the network interface == As Debian is the universal operating system, we consider both users and free software important. However, the network device of the computer requires firmware that is not available in the installation media, because these are considered non-free according to our guideline. We encourage you to get devices that respects your freedom. Meanwhile, you can either try another device that's known good using only free software, or download the .deb package(s) linked below and put into the same place this file resides: --- firmware-iwlwifi - for: Network Controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 - https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firmware-iwlwifi I realize that it is an additional step that may stop users from using Debian. But if we do not want to lower the priority of free software in favor to the user, we have to increase the usability for people with non-free devices in DFSG-only realm. Just 2 cents, Yao Wei -- Paul Sutton https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP: 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Fosdem 2021 6th-7th Feb 2021 : https://fosdem.org/2021 LibrePlanet 2021 - March 20th - 21st - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Making Debian available
On 25/01/2021 07:22, Tobias Frost wrote: Am Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 07:28:07PM +0100 schrieb Philipp Kern: On 24.01.21 17:08, John Scott wrote: Changing the firmware on an EEPROM is far less practical for the user or manufacturer (they're on similar footing), and if it's not electronically erasable, it's merely an object that can't be practically changed of which you'd need to make a new one anyway. LVFS is a thing now (kudos to Richard Hughes) and firmware updates can nowadays be pretty seamless, even on Linux. So I don't think I agree that EEPROM updates are far less practical. And I think I'd still prefer if the kernel pushes the (driver-)appropriate firmware to the device as it sees fit rather than having explicit EEPROM update cycles independent from driver updates. 1. Unlike with SSD firmware, there are wireless cards that use libre firmware and some are still manufactured and quite easy to attain. The goalpost for free software moves with what has been achieved. I guess to make your point stronger you could also have linked to those products that work with libre firmware. A brief research then finds two abgn cards from Atheros that is not available through normal retail channels anymore, because they are 8 to 10 years old (at least) and do not support contemporary wifi standards. And the same research turns up that it took many years from the point were it existed (2013) until it got uploaded to Debian (2017) and released (2019). I think its existence is super interesting from a research point of view. But I don't think it makes a strong case for availability of libre firmware for wifi cards. Especially if you care about spectral efficiency, i.e. using a shared medium efficiently. AFAIK those adapters are of the past. Nowerdays (FCC) regulations require some tamper protection, so people can no longer operate their Wifi with illegal parameters. [1]. All those parameters are usually controlled by the firmware of the device. [1] https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2339685/fcc-software-security-requirements.pdf Regardless, our potential users will very likely not have those devices in their laptop. I guess the will just swear, saying Debian sucks, and move along to some other distribution which potentially does not give user freedoms the same priority. At least that was some feedback I've received IRL. IMHO this is a lost opportunity, as we can't educate those about the importance of FLOSS anymore*. Users also regularily start spreading the word, maybe even starting contributing to the project and possibly becoming a part of the movement and project.** Shouldn't be that our ulitmate goal?*** * (e.g I didn't know much about FLOSS when I started using Debian. With limited budget as student, "free as in beer" it was. I agree with this point, even if we don't contribute code, we can contribute in other ways, by spreading the word and making sure people get as positive experience as possible. More difficult in a pandemic but lets do what we can. Build a stronger community. According to vrms vrms Non-free packages installed on HP-Mini firmware-brcm80211 Binary firmware for Broadcom/Cypress 802.11 wireless c Contrib packages installed on HP-Mini rocksndiamonds arcade-style game 1 non-free packages, 0.1% of 1828 installed packages. 1 contrib packages, 0.1% of 1828 installed packages. I don't think 0.1 percent of my packages being non free software is bad going really. Keep up the good work. Paul OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: -1 (Re: Making Debian available)
On 23/01/2021 20:42, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 03:39:21PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: But the sentiment above and in other similar messages were that the completely free images are broken for many users that might need some non-free firmware. This is simply not true. The completely free images are broken for most users that want working WiFi, unless you count providing firmware separately as "working". I don't think this is something that can be argued against. This is especially bad for netinst images. Again, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be images that contain non-free firmware, but dismissing the images that don't have firmware on as useless is harmful and misleading. Sure, there is some use for them, mostly VMs and some of the Ethernet-connected machines. During install, the installer asks if you have a disk with drivers on for this closed hardware, I don't know what it wants at this point. If we could insert a 2nd usb disk, or anything with the correct drivers on, it may help. Paul -- Paul Sutton https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP: 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Mini Debian Gaming Conference - 19-22 November 2020 https://mdco2.mini.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Making Debian available
On 12/01/2021 16:14, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2021-01-12 16:36 +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 02:48:22PM +, Dan Pal wrote: Hello Debian Developers, Hello World, I am writing to you from my Debian-Buster 10.6 laptop – that used to be a Windows 10 laptop. I would not be using Debian at all except I was able to find a dvd version at debian.org to install. I couldn’t install from a net install version because of my wireless chipset not being supported directly by Debian. The current policy of hiding other versions of Debian is limiting the adoption of your OS by people like me who are interested in moving from Windows 10. Seen the "I think it could be better", not yet seen the "how" Please elaborate the improvement. Provide a way to discover the working netinst with non-free firmware, right now it seems to be impossible to find. The official netinst image advertised on the homepage is for servers and virtual machines only. How is an average user of Windows or even other GNU/Linux distributions supposed to know that official Debian images do not offer network access during installation on desktops and laptops? Cheers, Sven I concur with this, trying to get a netbook with non free wifi hardware working is difficult, at least for me, but much easier with non free, I understand that Debian is about free software, I know someone else who said that they found finding the right ISO difficult. windows just works, Debian is better because it respects user freedom,just sacrifice getting your network working, oh and that makes it harder to ask for help if you can't connect to the internet or local network easily. Trying to explain they need to use non free just puts them off esp when they can't find it. I think we need to avoid alienating people as bad experiences travel fast. Please just provide links to free and non-free from the home page. Perhaps have an intermediate pages between or some sort of text that explains one version works ok with non free hardware, and if you want it easier to work with, then non free is available, but there is less support as such, plus users kinda going against the spirit of free software, do that in a nice way. Perhaps then provide links to a list of hardware vendors that work better with free software (help users out a little) Paul -- Paul Sutton https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP: 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Mini Debian Gaming Conference - 19-22 November 2020 https://mdco2.mini.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Deb conf 2021 website
On 31/12/2020 21:04, Leandro Cunha wrote: Em qui., 31 de dez. de 2020 às 17:24, Paul Sutton mailto:paulsut...@disroot.org>> escreveu: Hi This is probably not quite the right place to report this, but as it is the developer conference, I am guessing someone will know who to pass it on to. On the page https://www.debconf.org/ <https://www.debconf.org/> DebConf in 2021 - under that is says DebConf20 will take place in Haifa, Israel. Please visit the DebConf21 website for more information! Clicking news it still refers to 2020 https://debconf21.debconf.org/news/ <https://debconf21.debconf.org/news/> I am guessing this is still happening August 22-29 2021 Hope this helps Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ <https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/> OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sutton-5737171b8/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sutton-5737171b8/> LibrePlanet 2021 - March 2021 - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page <https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page> Hi, The debconf team has its own list and IRC. You can send an email about this to these means of contact if you want. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debconf-team <https://lists.debian.org/debconf-team> [2] irc://irc.debian.org/debconf <http://irc.debian.org/debconf> [3] https://debconf20.debconf.org/contact <https://debconf20.debconf.org/contact> [4] https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf <https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf> [5] https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/21 <https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/21> [6] http://www.debian.org/events <http://www.debian.org/events> -- Cheers, Leandro Cunha Debian Contributor and developer. Hi Leandro Thanks for this, I'll look in to joining the mailing list anyway, as it may be useful. Paul Sutton -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sutton-5737171b8/ LibrePlanet 2021 - March 2021 - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: application/pgp-keys OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Deb conf 2021 website
Hi This is probably not quite the right place to report this, but as it is the developer conference, I am guessing someone will know who to pass it on to. On the page https://www.debconf.org/ DebConf in 2021 - under that is says DebConf20 will take place in Haifa, Israel. Please visit the DebConf21 website for more information! Clicking news it still refers to 2020 https://debconf21.debconf.org/news/ I am guessing this is still happening August 22-29 2021 Hope this helps Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sutton-5737171b8/ LibrePlanet 2021 - March 2021 - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: application/pgp-keys OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: Disabling automatic upgrades on Sid by default?
Sorry, just sending this to the list, as I sent originally it to Leandro directly. Regards Paul Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Disabling automatic upgrades on Sid by default? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:17:18 + From: Paul Sutton To: Leandro Cunha On 27/12/2020 06:13, Leandro Cunha wrote: Em dom., 27 de dez. de 2020 às 03:02, M. Zhou <mailto:lu...@debian.org>> escreveu: Hi folks, I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such automatic upgrades could be dangerous. Recently package ppp is pending for upgrade but it does not co-exist with my currently installed network-manager. Today when I was shutting down my machine, Gnome automatically checked the "install updates ..." box for me before I realized its existence. As a result, the system reboots and installed ppp by force, removing network-manager and break my system for daily use as I need network-manager for wifi-access. I've been a daily Sid user for at least 4 years. Automatic upgrades are to blame for nearly all my system troubles. And I feel very disappointed every time linux behaves like M$ windows. So, do we have a consensus on whether automatic upgrades should be enabled by default? I am not an admin or very experienced user, despite using Linux for years, I think it should be up to users to run the actual update, however would a 'compromise' be some way of notifying a user that updates are available, Mint for example does this, you just click on the shield icon and go to the update tool. Find a balance to allow more experienced users / admins to have that control and new users to help them update when needed. Make it clear why this is a feature to avoid problems. People coming from the MS Windows world where this just 'happens' but will also be aware that just starting up / shutting down windows sometimes results in the updates delaying the process. Regards Paul Hi, Although you can disable this, I usually update and do most things via the command terminal. Using testing I run apt daily. I like to know what is being updated in the system. -- Cheers, Leandro Cunha Debian Contributor and developer. -- Paul Sutton https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP: 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Mini Debian Gaming Conference - 19-22 November 2020 https://mdco2.mini.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Disabling automatic upgrades on Sid by default?
On 27/12/2020 08:11, Paul Wise wrote: M. Zhou wrote: I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such automatic upgrades could be dangerous. I have been automatically upgrading Debian testing 4 times daily using the unattended-upgrades package for many years now, and automatically pulling security upgrades from unstable (#725934). The QA processes that Debian has for testing migration mean that it has mostly been fine, apart from disruptive things like the Python transition, the Firefox XUL to WebExtensions transition, GNOME shell API changes breaking extensions or package removals due to RC bugs etc. Fabrice BAUZAC wrote: I have read somewhere (where?) an advice for testing/unstable users that says to upgrade only when you know you will have some time to deal with an issue, should that occur. I disable upgrades when traveling, this is definitely good advice. M. Zhou wrote: So, do we have a consensus on whether automatic upgrades should be enabled by default? I think Debian stable users should enable automatic upgrades (IIRC that is the case now). Debian unstable/testing users should probably only enable safe upgrades that don't remove packages. If I can be asked if I want to take part in the usage monitoring thing during the install process, could enabling auto updates be something I can be asked during the install process. If Debian is about putting this power / choice in the hands of the user by having things enabled by default you are removing that choice. It also treats users like they are people who have the intelligence to do this, rather than windows which seems more like 'I need to do things for you' Paul -- Paul Sutton https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP: 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Mini Debian Gaming Conference - 19-22 November 2020 https://mdco2.mini.debconf.org/ OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Salsa License list
Hi I am working on some presentations for free software, and putting these on https://salsa.debian.org/ Some of the presentations are also for the Academy team. However while the license template lists GPL 3 Lesser GPL The GNU Affero General Public License The The GNU Free Documentation License does not appear to be listed as a template, would it be possible to as the salsa maintainers to perhaps include this please. If possible could the template also include some of the Creative commons licenses too please. The GNU Free Documentation License https://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html Thanks Paul Sutton -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sutton-5737171b8/ OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: application/pgp-keys OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: debian names
On 08/11/2020 21:41, Jérémy Lal wrote: Using toy story names for debian releases surely isn't free from any disney/pixar license ? Or is it ? Given we have been using them for nearly 30 years (scary eh), I don't think they are going to bother too much. I think trademarks only become an issue when the names get confused, with another product, or a company is just in to bullying others over a name. There was a company called Utube here (UK) (made tubes) that got sued by youtube, and a pub, with a lord of the rings related name (was there before the movies were made) that got sued by the people who made the movies. Some companies are like that, they lack common sense. How do we know that disney are not using Debian on their cluster things to render the movies. Plus anyone goto disney world and other parks and get their pic taken with a character while wearing a debian t-shirt, :) I haven't but maybe people have. Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sutton-5737171b8/ OpenPGP_0x8EA91B51E27E3D99.asc Description: application/pgp-keys OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [nm.debian.org] Key endorsements are live
n+O6yHR5YqwArn2 31eUJy8lcnaMByRha8wb8kUheKZezMBzWCJPKwPk6saDCnPQCUXTg4EIKnfZMXuO LgTmKqTVgmZR4Gonb3ZsycsMR2ZhS9CWawJv5I3zvCTdbdhhJyENqA11S5GLZNPp +6UfTK9hlSw1evZ/lPkesKYgqKHBSFEuD+TV9I4gH7HwvX4pwhWZM4DHRvTDA3Rk 6kDu+hSrNoJSve9No1nythhm1mQrimKJ5R4RgBIaXNUK2ZvxkMsgD+ExB/2MwT5h MpH+KAv29eJwQnONzg== =E2To -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hi I just wondered if anyone would be able to create or help create a short course on this for Debian Academy please? Or maybe any input in to what could go in to this? Just an idea if it helps people get started Regards Paul Sutton
Re: Salsa Debian reporting issues
On 03/10/2020 16:28, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Sat, 03 Oct 2020 at 14:42:07 +0100, Paul Sutton wrote: >> Just noticed a problem with Salsa, reporting issues with repositories. >> >> https://salsa.debian.org/public >> >> that has a list of public repositories, on the right are 4 icons for >> each repository, the one on far right of the 4, should go to issues, >> however it just comes up with a 404 error > > Many repositories on Salsa don't accept issue reports through the Salsa > interface, because their maintainers would prefer to receive bug reports > through the main Debian bug tracking system (https://www.debian.org/Bugs/) > and don't want to have to check for bug reports in two places. > > I think the real bug here is that the list of repositories shows an > "issues" icon, even for repositories that won't actually accept issue > reports (resulting in the 404). > >> Not sure who to report it to > > This seems to be a bug in the Gitlab software rather than being specific > to Debian's installation on salsa.debian.org, so: Gitlab. I've opened > <https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/260691> for this. > > smcv > Hi Simon Thank you for this, at least I know it is not an issue my end with what I am doing, and the gitlab team are also aware of the issue. Regards Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Salsa Debian reporting issues
On 03/10/2020 14:45, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi Paul > > On 03-10-2020 15:42, Paul Sutton wrote: >> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/caldav-tester/-/issues > > This project has the issue tracker disabled. > > Paul > Hi Paul Thanks for this, so can we re-enable this or is it disabled site wide ? Displaying something other than a 404 may look better for people coming from github for example. One less piece of ammo to aim at alternatives to support the idea they are not as good as github, trust me, the cynics out there will jump on this. Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ gnupg : 7D6DB682F3518D0818931E16F0865537D066302D https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sutton-5737171b8/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Salsa Debian reporting issues
Hi All Just noticed a problem with Salsa, reporting issues with repositories. https://salsa.debian.org/public that has a list of public repositories, on the right are 4 icons for each repository, the one on far right of the 4, should go to issues, however it just comes up with a 404 error https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/win32-loader/-/issues https://salsa.debian.org/debian/caldav-tester/-/issues Just wondered if anyone else is able to confirm this is happening please. Not sure who to report it to, but if others have the same problem, then it rules out some odd quirk my end. Thanks Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ gnupg : 7D6DB682F3518D0818931E16F0865537D066302D https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sutton-5737171b8/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Work-needing packages report for Oct 2, 2020
Hi, All Thanks for this, i have cc'd the academy team in to this, as I think the Academy courses being produced can hopefully help with this, so any contribution could really help, as soon as some courses are done, we can start helping potential new developers get started. We are starting to get things moving. If any one asks where we need help then this list could be a good port of call. I need to set up reportbug, so I can use it to send e-mail bug reports so will ask separately about this. Regards Paul On 02/10/2020 01:25, w...@debian.org wrote: > The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested > through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the > last week. > > Total number of orphaned packages: 1189 (new: 1) > Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 212 (new: 1) > Total number of packages requested help for: 64 (new: 0) > > Please refer to https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information. > > > > The following packages have been orphaned: > >python-redmine (#971356), orphaned 2 days ago > Description: Python library for the Redmine RESTful API (Python 3) > Installations reported by Popcon: 17 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/971356 > > 1188 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see > https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned for a complete list. > > > > The following packages have been given up for adoption: > >licenseutils (#971262), offered 3 days ago > Description: Put copyright and license notices at the head of source >code files > Installations reported by Popcon: 37 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/971262 > > 211 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see > https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage for a complete list. > > > > For the following packages help is requested: > >album-data (#964105), requested 92 days ago (non-free) > Description: themes, plugins and translations for album > Installations reported by Popcon: 81 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/964105 > >apache2 (#910917), requested 719 days ago > Description: Apache HTTP Server > Reverse Depends: apache2 apache2-ssl-dev apache2-suexec-custom >apache2-suexec-pristine backuppc courier-webadmin cvsweb debbugs-web >dms-wsgi doc-central (133 more omitted) > Installations reported by Popcon: 93823 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/910917 > >asciio (#968843), requested 40 days ago > Description: dynamically create ASCII charts and graphs with GTK+2 > Installations reported by Popcon: 82 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/968843 > >aufs (#963191), requested 103 days ago > Description: driver for a union mount for Linux filesystems > Reverse Depends: fsprotect > Installations reported by Popcon: 14541 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/963191 > >autopkgtest (#846328), requested 1401 days ago > Description: automatic as-installed testing for Debian packages > Reverse Depends: debci-worker > Installations reported by Popcon: 1220 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/846328 > >balsa (#642906), requested 3294 days ago > Description: An e-mail client for GNOME > Installations reported by Popcon: 699 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/642906 > >broadcom-sta (#886599), requested 997 days ago (non-free) > Description: Broadcom STA Wireless driver (non-free) > Installations reported by Popcon: 1696 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/886599 > >cargo (#860116), requested 1269 days ago > Description: Rust package manager > Reverse Depends: dh-cargo > Installations reported by Popcon: 1689 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/860116 > >cyrus-imapd (#921717), requested 601 days ago > Description: Cyrus mail system - IMAP support > Reverse Depends: cyrus-admin cyrus-caldav cyrus-clients cyrus-dev >cyrus-imapd cyrus-murder cyrus-nntpd cyrus-pop3d cyrus-replication > Installations reported by Popcon: 431 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/921717 > >cyrus-sasl2 (#799864), requested 1835 days ago > Description: authentication abstraction library > Reverse Depends: 389-ds-base adcli autofs-ldap cyrus-caldav >cyrus-clients cyrus-common cyrus-dev cyrus-imapd cyrus-imspd >cyrus-murder (77 more omitted) > Installations reported by Popcon: 197593 > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/799864 > >dbad (#947550), requested 278 days ago > Description: dnsmasq-based ad-blocking using pixelserv > Bug Report URL: https://bugs.debian.org/947550 > >
Basic Handbook presentation
Hi Raphael and everyone else I have put together a very simple LaTeX / Beamer presentation to hopefully help promote the DebianAdminHandbook project. Still early stages, but i am trying to get across What the project is What help is needed How people can develop the skills needed, e.g git / gitlab. XML / Docbook etc in a short presentation, hopefully as part of the Debian Academy project we can use this to give an over view to anyone who may want to get involved and help. I think there are plans for a module on Moodle for git / Salsa. So everything should eventually tie in together, https://salsa.debian.org/zleap-guest/handbookpresentation Hope this helps Regards Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893 1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulsutton2019/
Re: Reaching out
On 15/09/2020 13:13, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 11:27 AM Raphael Hertzog wrote: > >> I don't know of any opensource graphical editor for Docbook XML. > > It is long dead, but Conglomerate was such an editor: > > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/conglomerate > > -- > bye, > pabs > > https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise > Hi Thanks for this, Looks like there are a few contenders, some are in the Debian repositories. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTextEditors.html I will see what I can collate together, then see if a tutorial (or beamer presentation, which seems to be my own limit) can be put together to help with any DebianAcademy tutorials that are produced (if needed that is). Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893 1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulsutton2019/
Re: Reaching out
On 15/09/2020 12:27, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, Paul Sutton wrote: >> Just wondered, if it is worth me (or someone) trying to reach out to the >> team behind the Debian Administrators handbook > > That would be me. :) > >> I would assume we will be making use of the anyway or making references >> to this within lessons, so a quick how_to contribute, what skills are >> needed, what it it written in, for example may be useful, > > https://debian-handbook.info/contribute/ > >> I am not sure if there is a package that just lets you write and it >> handles the xml tags in the background or you need to write this as you >> would perhaps pure html / latex / markdown and add tags manually or >> convert using something like pandoc. > > I don't use any special editor. I use vim with a few shortcuts and > and a generic xml plugin. > > I don't know of any opensource graphical editor for Docbook XML. > >> As documentation writing is less about coding and more about writing it >> does then open up projects to a wider group of people who may posses >> those skills. Getting documentation for any project within Debian up to >> scratch is also important, and especially if we as educators want to >> make reference to pre-existing information. > > Your mail is a bit cryptic. What are you trying to do? Is this related to > the recent Debian akademy idea? > > Cheers, > Hi, Raphael Thanks for getting back, yes my idea was related to the Debian Academy team, which I am part of so just asking, so the Handbook team are invited to join if they have not already. Are you part of the Academy Team?. I was thinking how it can be it easier for contributors to the Handbook, so if people want to contribute there are some lessons or similar to help them. The e-mail was meant for the Debian Academy list, sorry so will re post there, Regards Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893 1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulsutton2019/
Reaching out
Hi All Just wondered, if it is worth me (or someone) trying to reach out to the team behind the Debian Administrators handbook I would assume we will be making use of the anyway or making references to this within lessons, so a quick how_to contribute, what skills are needed, what it it written in, for example may be useful, Looks like it is written in xml, https://salsa.debian.org/hertzog/debian-handbook I am not sure if there is a package that just lets you write and it handles the xml tags in the background or you need to write this as you would perhaps pure html / latex / markdown and add tags manually or convert using something like pandoc. It is stored on debian.salsa anyway, so we are planning lessons on that anyway I think. As documentation writing is less about coding and more about writing it does then open up projects to a wider group of people who may posses those skills. Getting documentation for any project within Debian up to scratch is also important, and especially if we as educators want to make reference to pre-existing information. Just a thought Regards Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893 1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulsutton2019/
Re: Intro
On 31/08/2020 18:53, jathan wrote: > On 31/08/2020 10:58, Paul Sutton wrote: >> Hi Al >> >> I decided to join here as I saw the post on Twitter about the new >> Debian-academy and this sounds like I may be able to get involved in. >> >> Currently running Debian 10 but have been running Linux for years, I am >> also involved with running Code Club (https://codeclub.org/en/) at >> Paignton Library but this is getting more advanced as I am keen to help >> people go further so have a blog for this >> (https://personaljournal.ca/paigntoncodeclub/) >> >> In terms of contributions I did create a Debian 10 presentation >> (https://salsa.debian.org/zleap-guest/presentations) a few years ago >> prior to it being launched and am currently working on adapting this for >> Debian 11. >> >> Hopefully I can make some, perhaps small but valuable contributions to >> the Debian-academy project. >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul >> > Hi Paul and welcome! Thanks a lot for your interest and your support to > the Debian Academy initiative. I have visited Code Club and it is > wonderful your are doing there with children and Raspberry Pi! Amazing > work. Currently we have a Wiki: > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcademy > > Feel free to add yourself. We starting to see who is interested about > the technical infrastructure and to be instructor to create courses. We > will keep talking through IRC in our channel #debian-academy in OFTC :) > A pleasure to have you with us, > > Regards! > Jathan > Hi Jathan Thanks for this, hopefully I can contribute something. I have joined here and the IRC channel (zleap) so once the mailing list is up, I will join there too. Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893 1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulsutton2019/
Intro
Hi Al I decided to join here as I saw the post on Twitter about the new Debian-academy and this sounds like I may be able to get involved in. Currently running Debian 10 but have been running Linux for years, I am also involved with running Code Club (https://codeclub.org/en/) at Paignton Library but this is getting more advanced as I am keen to help people go further so have a blog for this (https://personaljournal.ca/paigntoncodeclub/) In terms of contributions I did create a Debian 10 presentation (https://salsa.debian.org/zleap-guest/presentations) a few years ago prior to it being launched and am currently working on adapting this for Debian 11. Hopefully I can make some, perhaps small but valuable contributions to the Debian-academy project. Thanks Paul -- Paul Sutton, Cert ContSci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893 1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulsutton2019/
Re: Survey: DebConf20 and COVID-19
On 23/05/2020 14:05, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > Dear Debian community, > > Back when the COVID-19 outbreak became a global issue, we considered > whether to cancel or postpone DebConf20. At the time we had very little > evidence about what the future might look like, so we decided to come to > a decision by the beginning of June. It's time for us to make that > decision, to keep or cancel the conference. So, we are trying to gather > as much information as we can. > > Please provide your input through the following survey: > > https://surveys.debian.net/index.php?r=survey/index=832462=en > Thanks for this and have filled in the survey. Paul
Re: Let's start salvaging packages! -- draft text now available
On 21/08/18 14:05, Tobias Frost wrote: > Dear fellow Debinites, > > many of you know already that there is currently a discussion about > establishing a package salvaging process within Debian. The discussion > is taking place at debian-devel, but I'd like make people aware which > are not subscribed to -devel. > > For those who did not knew about it, the thread starts at: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/07/msg00453.html, > > You can find the proposal and call for discussion here: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/08/msg00277.html > > Pleases use the -devel thread for the discussion! > > Thanks for your attention! > Sounds a good idea to me, Paul Sutton -- Paul Sutton http://www.zleap.net https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/ Friendi.ca :zl...@social.isurf.ca Skype: psutton111
Re: De-Branding of Icedove, reintroducing Thunderbird packages into Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 This sounds a good idea, and may reduce any confusion out there. Paul On 15/02/17 17:35, Christoph Goehre wrote: > Hi Debian Developers and followers, > > Thunderbird is back in Debian! We also renamed other related > packages to use official names, e.g. iceowl-extension -> > lightning. > > For now, we need testers to catch existing issues and things we > haven't seen until now. > > What happens the first time you start Thunderbird? > > With the change to the official Mozilla branding the users > profile(s) will also be changing from '$HOME/.icedove' to > '$HOME/.thunderbird' so we need to migrate the profile folder. This > is done by /usr/bin/thunderbird, a wrapper script, which does the > following things during initial startup: > > * Copy the contents of the old profile folder into the new folder > ~/.icedove_moved_by_thunderbird_starter * Fixup Icedove related > entries to Thunderbird in ~/.thunderbird/$PROFILE/mimeTypes.rdf * > Fixup Icedove related entries to Thunderbird in > ~/.config/mimeapps.list * The postinst/postrm scripts will move > existing configuration files from /etc/icedove/pref to > /etc/thunderbird/pref. > > What needs to be tested? * Are the mime type associations still > correct? * Is the migration working in various Desktop > Environments? * Did we miss some files that need to be handled? > > What should I prepare for testing? Please keep a backup of your old > ~/.icedove folder! Also please backup the file > ~/.config/mimeapps.list (if your DE is using this) before > installing the thunderbird packages. You'll find additional notes > in '/usr/share/doc/thunderbird/README.Debian'. > > If you find some issue, please open a bug report. Patches of course > are welcome! > > We like to say thanks to all people that are involved and helped to > do the migration! > > Cheers, Carsten, Guido and Christoph > - -- http://www.zleap.net diaspora : zl...@joindiaspora.com sign up at : https://joindiaspora.com/users/sign_up Torbay Tech Jam http://torbaytechjam.org.uk Next Tech jam Saturday 11th March 2017 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYpJuHAAoJEPCGVTfQZjAtjYgP/1m7DOoRqPGQgGd0t9YeK64h k+CI8qvGso5f1Hys5fYMaKm70WOKd0mwXqEqJDS9raQVX6dIB2aPIT64Bmw9l+r+ qHef242fq2UJSqodMBeuOl5JPEZ/Op+rI/Lekd82zv2PWGuhNfkrv6BVPt72/R0t TFIo6KWQ2Hd0Iv72AnH5mu4hZ2GrYa7lpoyKwkz6GHWYZZd0jYLtF+3DopPlZ47C gjrk8YGVwEsTLyQ4Fzi9tTUUUN5Pcid645ELZBNUeHgMdGKaXVeeO3gH9lmpegaj 30b2E0iRUHhYjbphUX29KNs/h+yhYHGpV+YfLpb09U0ei2VlRIDDpSnwd23+vZ5L 5RjNY9AZGFNsl7XMwO33p8gBxt3xWb3IkmHK1wErjbaKK6Sj/jDqd2t9eS1xMUUj 9Hai0onz/tBOBHT9pIdWBshhDpUv/Vsyd8EtlyG3h0YOj5PId83Ey7HIhV/zFbL0 33xQyY7nSn3vPXvRhZ32btyMbzrt5krfzFr/AJKbiQ8mreUmDE/gEHtUYuP5M+9j q9lZAhndwnl9V2f/2XC7pypfydIgFFfiJLj6bjLhv2TOdJr4XYLxJ5XN0wpqfLty EFnB5fgG8Tg31Xi16+vlcq4iReNVIiVr3iwcdOLas2KX8Q8X1v05Bva4GrbExZai 9xorx5XCexbi+1au3yc7 =6W3h -END PGP SIGNATURE-
