Re: UMASK 002 or 022?
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:43 PM, <gwmf...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > The wider community doesn't seem that concerned with the fact that all > Debian and Ubuntu users are now (with the most recent stable releases) > completely unable to change their default umask (and further have a default > setting that gives the world read access to all their documents). I think > this needs to be viewed as a security issue. > > Even with the premise that the average Linux user is more computer competent > than the average Windows or Mac user, I still don't think it's a fair > assumption that all linux users know all about umask and permissions. Due to > this, many users may unwittingly create "guest" accounts or friend accounts > on their computers unknowingly giving read access to all documents they've > created. This is not an uncommon practice in university contexts especially. > Same goes if there's any sort of remote access going on through SSH etc. > > This issue strikes me as something that should be of higher concern to the > community. > > Someone mentioned changing the permissions on one's home folder. That just > adds insult to injury that by default everyone's home folder let's the world > have read access along with all files being created with read access. It's > poor privacy and security policy. The average computer-user assumes that > other account holders can't read their "stuff" unless they do something to > allow that person to read their stuff. But this is completely untrue on > Debian Stretch and Ubuntu 17.04. > Are you saying that default permissions for home dirs in Debian is 755? -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You.
Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Andrew Shadura <andrew.shado...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 23 May 2016 15:50, "Wookey" <woo...@wookware.org> wrote: >> >> +++ Adam Borowski [2016-05-23 12:10 +0200]: >> >> > we keep wicd for non-Gnome users who want a clicky-clicky wifi manager. >> > >> > The rest, well, are on their own with console tools. >> >> wicd has curses and command-line interfaces too (as well as the >> gtk one). One of its nice features. > > It's actually very easy to configure wireless using plain ifupdown: > > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > wpa-ssid NetworkName > wpa-psk VerySecurePassword > > -- > A. Thanks man - you are the real hero :) -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You.
Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 01:17:08PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 12:10 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >> > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:39:06AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: >> > > Login in Gnome once, activate wifi and ask that the connection should be >> > > used by >> > > all users. >> > > Then NM will save the password some were so that it connect without user >> > > login. >> > Right... so you say non-Gnome users should keep a Gnome installation just >> > to >> > enter the wifi password, and log out+log in to Gnome whenever they visit a >> > new place (which on a laptop means, quite often) then log out+log in back >> > to >> > their regular environment? I think I'll pass. >> [...] >> >> You already have passed. Please stop spreading FUD about a program you >> don't use and don't really know the state of. > > The original report from Britton Kerin doesn't look like FUD, what Vincent > Bernat just confirmed and diagnosed: that the password UI is currently broken. > Thus, I think my recommendation of trying wicd was helpful. > > Unlike network admins I work with (and who foam on the mouths at the words > Network-Manager) I see it does have its uses: it can do a lot more than > wicd. Instead of just wifi like wicd, it can do pppoe and a bunch of simple > VPN setups. > > It also gets improvements. For example, all the years until and including > jessie, it kept dropping configuration from usb0 interfaces every 30 seconds > or so, even when explicitely told to leave it alone (the interface remained > up but NM kept removing all IP addresses, etc). It took a while but this > bug is finally fixed. > > But it's not without problems. The one Britton met is that NM's interface > is closely married to Gnome. Yes, you can use nm-cli but it's nowhere near > pretty, so on a laptop or a phone you want a GUI. Wicd's GUI works, NM's > does not (at least currently or without extra messing). > > The second is, NM interferes with any complex setup. In newer versions, you > can now semi-reliable tell it to stay away from your interfaces, but then, > if you disable it on all interfaces, why do you even have it installed? > > That's not an exhaustive list, I indeed hardly ever deal with setups that > would benefit from NM so I rarely look at it. > > But, how is mentioning an alternative and/or recommending to try one FUD? > > > Meow! > -- > An imaginary friend squared is a real enemy. > It is worth remembering that network manager depends indirectly on systemd - not all of us have systemd installed. And not all of us know (or knew in this case) the invocation to bring up the wifi connection. -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You.
Re: contrib and nonfree distribs
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Solal Rastier solal.rast...@me.com wrote: That's not an answer. For users, that doesn't change anything. Le 28 févr. 2014 à 15:20, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org a écrit : Solal Rastier, le Fri 28 Feb 2014 12:56:00 +0100, a écrit : Further proof that Debian is proprietary software... contrib and non-free are not part of Debian releases. Really, read about GR etc. Samuel Wait a moment ... Are you trying to say that users don't need flashplayer? I tend to differ - unfortunately too many websites still need it, and gnash is not exactly a replacement (unless you mean being few times as slow as flashplayer is acceptable... even when performance of flashplayer itself is bad at best) [this is slightly better now with html5 slowly taking over places where flashplayer was used previously] Documentation from FSF is another thing. Some hardware also needs proprietary firmware and drivers - surely you are not going to say that users don't want their GPU to be able to render 3D?? or that they don't need wifi connections ??? And you are not going to say that users don't want steam, are you? Also being ABLE to install nonfree software doesn't mean that Debian itself is proprietary software... (also most (if not all) of distros marked as free by FSF are breaking DFSG guidelines so they are proprietary too) And I had to bite the catch and feed tusseladd ... ;( -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACRpbMi8hjs1GW=ch_l42+yocm8wcjdzwh3cphrrmnfbpcw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: pulseaudio related problems....
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:57 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
It might just be that DDs/computer experts just have more customized setups
that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
configuration
changes to a new system. What follows is $new_thing sucks because $feature
in
$old_thing that I customized half a decade ago and forgot about doesn't
work. If
I, a DD/'computer expert' can't get it working, how could it ever be suitable
for a layman?
Exactly what I have been thinking all the time. And I find the argument
all DDs are computer experts, so if they can't get it working it
must be broken a particularly bad one.
Just because someone is a computer expert doesn't mean they
automatically understand how each peace of new software works. And
people who are advanced with computers usually tend to follow their
own old pattern when trying to fix problems instead of being open
to new methods. Thus, chances are they are trying to fix a problem
the wrong way.
As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
services using /etc/init.d/service restart, just because it works.
It's also noteworthy that complains about PulseAudio usually come from
advanced users. I haven't heard my mom complain about sound problems
on her netbook running Ubuntu, for example.
It is also noteworthy that when most of average users getting this kind
of problems would go back to Windows (hey, at least audio works there)
instead of fiddle around with audio configuration or starting debugger.
And most people simply need audio - today practically everyone is doing
$Something while listening to music. And surely you don't expect your
$Average_Joe to know about reportbug{,-ng}, or do you?
Why would anyone want to debug software when simple solution to problem
is getting rid of said software? Unless someone has some interest in using
said software (or just wants to fix the bug) I don't see this happening.
My personal experience with pulseaudio is that it works - as long as
I'm listening
to only one audio stream at once (I have only one audio device) - which means
that for me pulseaudio doesn't work (I'm notoriously listening to more than 2
streams at once). And I'm NOT interested in debugging it - I have
better things to
do with my time than to fix buggy software created by others and for some
reason forcefully shoved (if not spoon-fed) onto users (especially
when alsa just
works).
I'm not saying that pulseaudio has no use case but most users don't need it.
(Speaking from my own personal experience here, with a 6-year-old Ubuntu
installation upgraded ~12 times with ~3 botched upgrades, and an even older
$HOME).
I'm also convinced that it should be possible to have a working default
pulse setup. Emitting sound on all available sound output by default,
and making sure that the level isn't zero upon install, seems like a
sensible thing to do.
Ubuntu appears to get it right. I haven't seen a fresh Ubuntu installation
that
had broken sound for a very long time now.
Exactly my second argument. If Pulse-Audio was actually broken as it is
often described, Launchpad's bugtracker would be full of complaints, is
it?
When very simple workaround that fixes this issue in 99% percent of cases
exists I would expect this to happen.
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Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le samedi 11 mai 2013 à 20:44 +0100, Roger Leigh a écrit : We all saw where GNOME took use with their lack of choice: an unusable trainwreck. This is your opinion. There are other users who happen to value features over configurability. Given that iOS and Android sell by millions every week, maybe there are quite a lot of them. I dare you to answer a simple question - if I don't choose iOS, Android or Blackberry, what other OS comes preinstalled with modern smartphone? -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CACRpbMhz_1CugK=vihfcedvw08kek2w+qsszxkyoxsyspf6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Packages with incomplete .md5sum files
On Jan 14, 2013 12:10 PM, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi Andreas, On Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2013, Andreas Beckmann wrote: Hi, the following packages from wheezy ship files that are excluded from the .md5sums file: [snip] rkhunter: FILE WITHOUT MD5SUM /var/lib/rkhunter/db/backdoorports.dat [Snip] rkhunter: FILE WITHOUT MD5SUM /var/lib/rkhunter/db/mirrors.dat rkhunter: FILE WITHOUT MD5SUM /var/lib/rkhunter/db/programs_bad.dat rkhunter: FILE WITHOUT MD5SUM /var/lib/rkhunter/db/suspscan.dat those I'd file with severity important - sure it's a policy violation, surely it's bad, but I wouldnt want to delay the release for these. (And I also suggest to fix those for wheezy, but thats a slightly different topic ;) [snip] this I'd probably file as serious, not having checksums for files in /usr seems worse. But then, the same reasoning as for the above bugs applies, so maybe important is better after all. [snip] important as well. Thanks for your work on this! cheers, Holger Not a debian developer but these 4 files I would rather put under security - after all something could have changed the contents of these files rendering rkhunter rather useless with respect to detecting some rootkits. I agree with the rest. darkestkhan
Re: libfm and pcmanfm in debian
I'm long time user of pcmanfm (though I'm using it under fluxbox) and I didn't have any REAL problems with it since... 10 months or so? While there are some bugs here and there (like not being able to run 2 instances of it, even under different users (sometimes I like to run it as a root in order tom quickly copy something from damned ntfs)) I would be one of the last persons to call such trivia RC bugs (well, depending on use case that may be RC bug). -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CACRpbMjpiAWWiamFXx+Bp=DGBuhmfKnhWFSNWXfQ3xQ=per...@mail.gmail.com
Re: proprietary solutions just work (Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: On Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other devices. And so on. I do not believe that your question was serious anyway. Windows is *easy* to use. Windows works out of the box. I don't need to tell people how to use Windows and what to install. Windows works with various other devices. And so on. I do not believe that your question was serious anyway. SCNR. Are you sure about this? On at least two occasions I had experienced how it doesn't work out of the box - once when installing it (everything went well up to the point of copying files to hdd - Windows 7 couldn't detect drivers for DVD and as such installation couldn't proceed), and now when my brother is starting his PC while I'm connected to net (it wrongly assumes that I'm router). I really don't see how it is works out of the box. -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cacrpbmiotucamikrrc0r3puzktpwv7t0p47a-w-yci94kgn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 2.6+ kernel make-tag problem
2011/12/5 John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell johnandsa...@cox.net: #1 If I use ./linux-2.6.38/README I get errors (see below). If I use ./linux-2.4.20/README I get a [good] kernel. Could you be more specific? mine so called ./linux* doesn't even exists to begin with #2 Nowhere can I find root=/dev/hdax needs to be root=/dev/sdax due to new SATA changes in driver code. Others have reported this. I found it by accident! (see error below) IIRC it was documented few years ago (at least at time of 2.6.32). And IIRC usage of root=/dev/sdax is deprecated (it works when you have only one hdd, without any pendrives/external hdds connected) because order in which devices or detected is non-deterministic (use UUID instead) #3 None of the kernel bug report sites load in firefox (i get a 404, why? ipv6 only?). I can't post bug to them and have no gpg key either. Kernel bug reports reported in Debian BTS should be fully accessible using ipv4. If you are talking specifically about bug tracking system of Linux Kernel then it is not something that Debian has much influence over. #4 kernel source make help says deb-dpkg is an option. but it does not make a package. (it prepares several things for 3 or 4 potential packages then stops) make install is also a complication. These are every day problems I know. But for NEWBIES. Did you know if they go to www.tldp.org (linux-HOWTO) one finds kernel HOWTO has be REMOVED ? In that respect they are making undocumented changes that break things and what is a newbie to do ? It's not as if things are more complicated before (consider X emacs, Tex) if anything far less ! It's that they are leaving ends more untied. why ? Thanks for looking have a great day ! John From above #1: Kernel: arch/x86/boot/bzImage is ready (#2) cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/linux-2.6.38/modules.order': No such file or directory make: *** [_modinst_] Error 1 make modules_install exited non-zero tail: 2.6.38-k7-x86.log: file truncated From above #2: VFS cannot mount unknown block(0,0). partition is ''. Please specify root as param correctly. And I've seen other same problem. The message gives not a single clue what the problem might be. I thought it might be EZ-DRIVE. Not on the internet, not when I boot, not in linux/Documentation. How is one supposed to know? Linux now creates objects in /dev auto-magic so I cannot necessarily say ahead of time what the name of the device is ESPECIALLY if it's not documented. And linux's new kernel param is very confusing. You can't find ide_core anywhere in code it's magic. And there's allot to do if one thinks they will trace through all VFS - SATA code to find some problem ! /dev is working the same way for many years (maybe you meant /sys). Also when you have only one hard drive you can be sure that it will be under /dev/sda, the magic starts only after you get to many devices, and only because no one can tell ahead of time in which order devices will be discovered. --- It's near impossible to find what make install will do until after you've already done it and can't be distributed very easily. (debian /usr/sbin/install_kernel ??) (I no longer make install, have own script which makes a .deb). # make install Checking for ELILO...No GRUB is installed. To automatically switch to new kernels, point your default entry in menu.lst to /boot/arch/x86/boot/bzImage-2.6.38-k7 BUT the above actually did nothing it said (no new file or menu.1st change either). So... It doesn't say that it _made_ change in file, it only says that to switch to new kernel you have to point your default entry in menu.lst to *. I may even add that currently there is no menu.lst used by GRUB (it is grub.cfg) # make -n install magically becomes make -f scripts/Makefile.build obj=arch/x86/boot install sh /usr/src/linux-2.6.38/arch/x86/boot/install.sh 2.6.38-k7 arch/x86/boot/bzImage \ System.map /boot Oh! My kernel install binary is from 2001 ! I wonder if it's wise to even use it ? If it works then I don't see any problems with it. PS: Should parent be targeted for debian-devel ? somehow it doesn't feel right... darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cacrpbmi0hw3f7nau00s1m8wjte1b43r5xrje3tnlqwnnno4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Some suggestion
2011/12/2 pei deng walleker...@gmail.com: I think debian should release a publish version with roll updating as archlinux. and remove testing and sid version. because 'roll' is really a very good mechanism for software publish and test. And how would then Debian continue releasing stable? Debian is especially known for its stable release (prolly too much for it). Also there are some problems with rolling releases - something may break at unexpected point of time (just like in testing/unstable/experimental). Without Sid we wouldn't have testbed for updates/upgrades making system much less stable overall - and by then you could as well use Arch. Besides you can use Testing as (kind-of) rolling distribution (or if you want slightly newer packages then Sid or Sid/Experimental (I was using Sid/experimental for long time, and it worked nicely, until I tried playing with Linux containers (land of brevity, especially when you don't know what you are doing) on my main system). There was proposal for Constantly-Usable-Testing (CUT) as another release of Debian, but I don't know too much about it. darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CACRpbMhdEzoEV+kD0593JLWTeFHNjTmqBJ7U=vpqjxawcmm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Some suggestion
2011/12/2 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com: +1. Also there is no much difference between unstable and testing. 2011/12/3 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com so what is the difference, I am using unstable and it rolls mike Testing/Unstable/Experimental are kind-of rolling - it is rolling two months after release and somewhere to middle of soft freeze. Outside of this time frame it is too many changes introduced (after release) or too low number of changes (mainly stabilization of system, after soft freeze). Personally I don't believe rolling is so needed as a release - for me it seems it is more of fashion than actual need. darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cacrpbmggimqfn-tnzpm6hryh-ocgskgjdhnpjafkpxuafop...@mail.gmail.com
Fwd: Development packages for pulseaudio
darkestkhan -- jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- Forwarded message -- From: darkestkhan darkestk...@gmail.com Date: 2010/10/30 Subject: Development packages for pulseaudio To: debian-de...@list.debian.org I wanted to compile lightspark, and for this I need development files for pulseaudio, but when I did aptitude search pulseaudio there weren't ANY dev packages for pulseaudio, here is my terminal output: darkestk...@khanat ~ $ aptitude search pulseaudio p gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio - GStreamer plugin for PulseAudio p libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and PulseAudio options) p projectm-pulseaudio - projectM PulseAudio module p pulseaudio - PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-dbg - PulseAudio sound server detached debugging symbols p pulseaudio-esound-compat - PulseAudio ESD compatibility layer p pulseaudio-esound-compat-dbg - PulseAudio ESD compatibility layer debugging symbols p pulseaudio-module-bluetooth - Bluetooth module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-dbg - Bluetooth module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-gconf - GConf module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-gconf-dbg - GConf module for PulseAudio sound server debugging symbols p pulseaudio-module-hal - HAL to udev transitioning module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-hal-dbg - HAL module for PulseAudio sound server debugging symbols p pulseaudio-module-jack - jackd modules for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-jack-dbg - jackd modules for PulseAudio sound server debugging symbols p pulseaudio-module-lirc - lirc module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-lirc-dbg - lirc module for PulseAudio sound server debugging symbols p pulseaudio-module-raop - RAOP module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-raop-dbg - RAOP module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-x11 - X11 module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-x11-dbg - X11 module for PulseAudio sound server debugging symbols p pulseaudio-module-zeroconf - Zeroconf module for PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-dbg - Zeroconf module for PulseAudio sound server debugging symbols p pulseaudio-utils - Command line tools for the PulseAudio sound server p pulseaudio-utils-dbg - PulseAudio command line tools detached debugging symbols Shouldn't there be *-dev packeages for pulseaudio? darkestkhan -- jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikym_fzscuze47z4+dbuaaqu2y2uv4rmrxbc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Development packages for pulseaudio
thanks, foor some reason I didn't test for pulse alone... well nwo I will be able to test lightspark ;) darkestkhan -- jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. 2010/10/30 Paul Wise p...@debian.org: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:07 PM, darkestkhan darkestk...@gmail.com wrote: Shouldn't there be *-dev packeages for pulseaudio? There are: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libpulse-dev -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikzh9ik=fm-bswzdaabju+woc14f3t5cvl8c...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimnwmcohan2qz+bp-rixdmy67fbzwkvptdb_...@mail.gmail.com
