Re: 2.4 vs. 2.6 (was: Re: Moving /var/run to a tmpfs?)

2006-09-22 Thread Martín Ferrari

On 9/17/06, Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A good hint for such cases is to actually report such bugs to the driver
developers. Did you?
You must have pretty uncommon hardware, though, as many use 2.6 kernels
without such problems...


I have an old server with 2.4 because 2.6 won't run on it. Not big
deal, it doesn't need 2.6 anyway...

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Re: 2.4 vs. 2.6 (was: Re: Moving /var/run to a tmpfs?)

2006-09-17 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Sonntag 17 September 2006 12:28 schrieb Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe:
> However, as long
> as I can easily freeze my machine just by doing really simple disk-I/O
> tasks (which just happened when I had a need to boot into a Knoppix),
> I will definitely not consider it to run on my servers.

A good hint for such cases is to actually report such bugs to the driver 
developers. Did you?
You must have pretty uncommon hardware, though, as many use 2.6 kernels 
without such problems...

HS


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2.4 vs. 2.6 (was: Re: Moving /var/run to a tmpfs?)

2006-09-17 Thread Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem with supporting old kernels is not just the need to maintain

2.4 is not old, it's just stable :)

> a few packages like initrd-tools or modutils, but that every important
> package cannot rely on features of modern kernels: inotify, sysfs, etc.

Well, I live quite well with Debian unstable on top of 2.4 on my
workstation. It seems there are not so much important packages that
really rely on "modern" features.

> This means that Debian as a whole will either lack support for features
> relying on these kernel features or will become more and more complex
> due to compatibility code.

Well, if there are really packages that demand on 2.6, they just can
depend on kernel-image-2.6, this is no problem at all. I agree with you
that package maintainers should not be forced to develop
2.4-compatibility on their own, if upstream doesn't do it itself.
However, from my point of view, quite all relevant software just *does*
support 2.4 and 2.6 upstream anyways. So there is virtually no need to
increase complexity.

> Please consider carefully the effects of advocating support for old
> kernels.

IIRC, Linus declared feature-freeze for 2.6.16 first. To be honest, I
cannot see any feature-freeze until now. I personally decided to give
2.6 a first try on my workstation when 2.6.18 is out. However, as long
as I can easily freeze my machine just by doing really simple disk-I/O
tasks (which just happened when I had a need to boot into a Knoppix),
I will definitely not consider it to run on my servers.


regards
   Mario
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