Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:45:26AM +0930, Debonaras Project Lead wrote: We are looking for help from interested Debian Developers to get a buildd system up and running and building the rest of the Debian packages from source for armeb. Hi, I just discussed this with Andreas Barth here at the Oldenburg meeting. We've got a secondary buildd network running (which compiles experimental, etch-secure, sarge-volatile, and a number of other things) on experimental.buildd.net, and would be happy to add your packages to your wanna-build and katie setup. If you're interested in this, I could be the admin; I've been handling buildd machines for four years now, so I certainly know my way around in how the thing works. What we'd need from you to get this forward is one (or a few) machine(s) that will be set up as buildd and that I can get an account with sudo access on. We'd then set everything up, and I'll ensure everything gets built again (so that the 'must have been uploaded by Debian Developers' requirement is met). Let me know what you think. -- The amount of time between slipping on the peel and landing on the pavement is precisely one bananosecond signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 02:06:24PM +0200, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: It's not so unusual anymore since intel introduced the IXP series of chips which come with mostly BE oriented reference designs. The nslu2 itself comes with an ixp4xx CPU, but the armeb port is also used on a number of ixp2000 boards. Having a big-endian arm distro to run on the ixp2000 was an important reason for developing this port. As to why I chose armeb instead of armbe, partially because of the -EB/-EL thing, partially because the arch name also has the endianity at the end (armv4b, armv4l, armv5teb, armv5tel), partially because when I first started porting a distro to armeb, a number of tools (binutils? I can't remember now.) did accept arm*b-*-* as target string but didn't accept armbe-*-*. The latter might have changed in the meanwhile, but the original decision to use armeb instead of armbe was made over two years ago. cheers, Lennert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:45:26AM +0930, Debonaras Project Lead wrote: The Debonaras project (http://www.debonaras.org) is a group of Linux developers who have created the beginnings of a big-endian ARM (armeb) port of Debian. We have built 2500+ stable packages so far (see http://ftp.debonaras.org). Just a completely uninformed question: Wasn't the -el (endian little) in mipsel a pun on the wrong endianess? If so, shouldn't it be armBE, because it's the right endianess? Cheers, WB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 08:16:42AM +, W. Borgert wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:45:26AM +0930, Debonaras Project Lead wrote: The Debonaras project (http://www.debonaras.org) is a group of Linux developers who have created the beginnings of a big-endian ARM (armeb) port of Debian. We have built 2500+ stable packages so far (see http://ftp.debonaras.org). Just a completely uninformed question: Wasn't the -el (endian little) in mipsel a pun on the wrong endianess? If so, shouldn't it be armBE, because it's the right endianess? What gets you the impression there's a wrong endianess? BE for arm is unusal, but I couldn't see why one is wrong or right. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
W. Borgert wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:45:26AM +0930, Debonaras Project Lead wrote: The Debonaras project (http://www.debonaras.org) is a group of Linux developers who have created the beginnings of a big-endian ARM (armeb) port of Debian. We have built 2500+ stable packages so far (see http://ftp.debonaras.org). Just a completely uninformed question: Wasn't the -el (endian little) in mipsel a pun on the wrong endianess? I don't think so. If so, shouldn't it be armBE, because it's the right endianess? -EL/-EB/-el/-eb are commonly used gcc switches to select endianness. OTOH, the host configuration uses arm*b-* or arm*be-* for big endian ARM, so a case could be made for both ways. Thiemo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005, Christoph Hellwig wrote: Just a completely uninformed question: Wasn't the -el (endian little) in mipsel a pun on the wrong endianess? If so, shouldn't it be armBE, because it's the right endianess? What gets you the impression there's a wrong endianess? Wrong is endian little that knows everyone but. Sam. -- DUMBLEDORE KILLS SNAPE: spoilers, attention -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 12:59:52PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 08:16:42AM +, W. Borgert wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:45:26AM +0930, Debonaras Project Lead wrote: The Debonaras project (http://www.debonaras.org) is a group of Linux developers who have created the beginnings of a big-endian ARM (armeb) port of Debian. We have built 2500+ stable packages so far (see http://ftp.debonaras.org). Just a completely uninformed question: Wasn't the -el (endian little) in mipsel a pun on the wrong endianess? If so, shouldn't it be armBE, because it's the right endianess? What gets you the impression there's a wrong endianess? BE for arm is unusal, but I couldn't see why one is wrong or right. It's not so unusual anymore since intel introduced the IXP series of chips which come with mostly BE oriented reference designs. Cheers, Peter (p2). -- goa is a state of mind signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
Quoting Thiemo Seufer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -EL/-EB/-el/-eb are commonly used gcc switches to select endianness. OK, thanks. Another mystery solved :-) Cheers, WB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
Quoting Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wrong is endian little that knows everyone but. Thgir yltcaxe! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
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Re: Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
Simon Richter wrote: Hi, Wrong is endian little that knows everyone but. Thgir yltcaxe! eurtub ,iw ta llobynt ydknih fo ehtlihcnerd? ac si tIirc delldne elpp ssennaire a rof-: .nosa ) Thiemo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Announcing an intention to produce an armeb port of Debian
1/ Who are we? The Debonaras project (http://www.debonaras.org) is a group of Linux developers who have created the beginnings of a big-endian ARM (armeb) port of Debian. We have built 2500+ stable packages so far (see http://ftp.debonaras.org). Debonaras is targeted primarily at consumer devices (such as the Linksys NSLU2 or Synology DS101) with large attached storage (e.g. the ability to attach a USB hard disk). The first target device is the Linksys NSLU2, and we have had big-endian arm Debian running on that device (and building armeb Debian packages) for about a month now. We also have big-endian arm Debian running on other armeb devices (including custom hardware built by a member of the core team). 2/ What are our plans? Our plan is to compile at least 95% of Debian for armeb, to produce an armeb debian-installer port, to put in place a set of buildd machines that can keep up with unstable, to have a number of our core team members become Debian Developers (we have two applications waiting for an AM to be assigned) and then gain enough Debian Developer support to put forward a proposal for an official armeb Debian port (and then officially rebuild all the packages). In essence, we plan to meet the requirements set out in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/08/msg9.html and then hope to be assimilated by Debian. Most of the core Debonaras developers come from the NSLU2-Linux project (http://www.nslu2-linux.org). 3/ What is the potential user base for an armeb port of Debian? The NSLU2-Linux project has over 4300 subscribers on the mailing list, attracts over 3 hits on the http://www.nslu2-linux.org website per day, has provided over 12000 custom firmware downloads in the last three months, and manages two package download systems (one for the vendor-firmware-compatible 2.4 kernel custom firmware, and the other for the OpenEmbedded-based 2.6 kernel custom firmware) which serve up 400GB/month of package downloads from four mirrors across the world). Every one of those 12000 custom firmware downloads is a potential user of an armeb Debian port, just for the single NSLU2 device. 4/ Why do we want to port Debian to big-endian ARM? The NSLU2 bootloader starts the kernel in big-endian mode, and the on-board ethernet driver modules currently also run in big-endian mode. A number of our developers have other reasons (related to networking performance of other ixp-based non-consumer devices) for requiring an armeb port. Note that there has already been success in targeting little-endian arm Debian to the NSLU2, but it requires additional hardware (it currently doesn't support the on-board ethernet port). 5/ How does this relate to Emdebian? We are in contact with a number of Debian Developers from debian-arm, and have discussed our plans with Wookey from Emdebian. We believe that Debonaras targets a different set of devices from Emdebian (Debonaras intends to provide a full port of Debian targeting devices with large attached storage). 6/ Why are we announcing this now? We are not looking for publicity (please don't post this to slashdot). We do want to make the Debian developer community aware of what we are doing. We are looking for help from interested Debian Developers to get a buildd system up and running and building the rest of the Debian packages from source for armeb. 7/ How do I install Debian on my NSLU2 today? See http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/OpenDebianSlug 8/ What does Debonaras stand for? Debian On NAS And Routers And Stuff -- Signed, the Debonaras and NSLU2-Linux core team. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
