Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Roy Marples
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Roy Marples r...@marples.name


* Package name: dhcpcd5
  Version : 5.2.7
  Upstream Author : Roy Marples r...@marples.name
* URL : http://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd
* License : BSD-2
  Programming Lang: C, Shell
  Description : dhcpcd5 - a DHCP client

 dhcpcd is a one stop IPv4 network management daemon which includes
  * RFC2131 compliant DHCP client
  * IPv4LL (aka ZeroConf) support
  * ARP address conflict resolution
  * Link carrier detection
  * Wireless SSID profiles
  * ARP ping profiles



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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Patrick Matthäi

Am 28.08.2010 10:35, schrieb Roy Marples:

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Roy Marplesr...@marples.name


* Package name: dhcpcd5
   Version : 5.2.7
   Upstream Author : Roy Marplesr...@marples.name
* URL : http://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd
* License : BSD-2
   Programming Lang: C, Shell
   Description : dhcpcd5 - a DHCP client

  dhcpcd is a one stop IPv4 network management daemon which includes


It only supports IPv6?

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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Patrick Matthäi

Am 28.08.2010 12:11, schrieb Roy Marples:

   dhcpcd is a one stop IPv4 network management daemon which includes


It only supports IPv6?


Only IPv4 at present.
IPv6 support, at least for RA is planned for the next major version,
possibly with support for the experimental RFC5006 (DNS in IPv6 RA).


Whops, s/IPv6/IPv4/ in my message, please. :)

IMHO it shouldn't uploaded to Debian, without missing IPv6 support.

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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 11:19 +0200, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
 Am 28.08.2010 10:35, schrieb Roy Marples:
  Package: wnpp
  Severity: wishlist
  Owner: Roy Marplesr...@marples.name
 
 
  * Package name: dhcpcd5
 Version : 5.2.7
 Upstream Author : Roy Marplesr...@marples.name
  * URL : http://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd
  * License : BSD-2
 Programming Lang: C, Shell
 Description : dhcpcd5 - a DHCP client
 
dhcpcd is a one stop IPv4 network management daemon which includes
 
 It only supports IPv6?

Only IPv4 at present.
IPv6 support, at least for RA is planned for the next major version,
possibly with support for the experimental RFC5006 (DNS in IPv6 RA).

Thanks

Roy



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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:35:29 +0100, Roy Marples wrote:

 * Package name: dhcpcd5
   Version : 5.2.7
   Upstream Author : Roy Marples r...@marples.name
 * URL : http://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd
 * License : BSD-2
   Programming Lang: C, Shell
   Description : dhcpcd5 - a DHCP client
 
What's the difference with the existing dhcpcd package?

Cheers,
Julien


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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 08/28/2010 12:44 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:35:29 +0100, Roy Marples wrote:
 
 * Package name: dhcpcd5
   Version : 5.2.7
   Upstream Author : Roy Marples r...@marples.name
 * URL : http://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd
 * License : BSD-2
   Programming Lang: C, Shell
   Description : dhcpcd5 - a DHCP client

 What's the difference with the existing dhcpcd package?
 

It's the same project (according to [1]).

[1]
http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/dhcpcd/current/copyright

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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2010-08-28, Patrick Matthäi pmatth...@debian.org wrote:
 Am 28.08.2010 12:11, schrieb Roy Marples:
dhcpcd is a one stop IPv4 network management daemon which includes
 It only supports IPv6?
 Only IPv4 at present.
 IPv6 support, at least for RA is planned for the next major version,
 possibly with support for the experimental RFC5006 (DNS in IPv6 RA).
 Whops, s/IPv6/IPv4/ in my message, please. :)
 IMHO it shouldn't uploaded to Debian, without missing IPv6 support.

DHCPv4 and DHCPv6 are sufficiently different protocol-wise to warrant two
different clients.  (The v6 people might not want to deal with the cruft
of DHCPv4 too...)

Kind regards,
Philipp Kern


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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Bjørn Mork
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes:

 DHCPv4 and DHCPv6 are sufficiently different protocol-wise to warrant two
 different clients.  (The v6 people might not want to deal with the cruft
 of DHCPv4 too...)

Absolutely!  

Create a new DHCPv6 client, cleanly implementing the protocol without
having to carry all the unnecessary DHCPv4 baggage.  Or even better:
Work on improving some of the *existing* DHCPv6 clients.  Maybe we can
get at least one of them in good enough shape to be actually usable.  I
tried to summarize the situation here in December:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/ipv6/20683

I don't think much has changed since then. 

The ISC has already demonstrated that combining the clients is a big
mistake, no matter how big your existing IPv4 codebase is.  Their IPv6
support is still not usable in some for what will be the most common
DHCPv6 scenario due to the lack of ppp support (which of course is
completely unnecessary for IPv4).

An example: xs4all has recently announced native IPv6 access for all
their users (opt-in), using DHCPv6-PD on top of PPP:
http://www.xs4all.nl/klant/ipv6/

This is exactly what the ISP I'm working for will do when we get that
far, and I assume many other ISPs will do something similar. DHCPv6-PD
is essantial.  And using PPP for the link simplifies a lot in a world
where most layer 2 equipment is still unprepared for IPv6.



Bjørn


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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 13:13 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
 On 08/28/2010 12:44 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
  On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:35:29 +0100, Roy Marples wrote:
  
  * Package name: dhcpcd5
Version : 5.2.7
Upstream Author : Roy Marples r...@marples.name
  * URL : http://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd
  * License : BSD-2
Programming Lang: C, Shell
Description : dhcpcd5 - a DHCP client
 
  What's the difference with the existing dhcpcd package?
  
 
 It's the same project (according to [1]).

It's essentially an upgrade, however it's not 100% compatible with the
commandline from dhcpcd3 and it uses a method similar to dhclient for
configuring the system - aside from IP and routing which is managed
internally. However, it's a new package. See bug #551034.

Also, dhcpcd5 is designed to be run as a system daemon instead of per
interface. This is so it can react to kernel level events and manage
routing on a multi interface system a lot better (esp important for BSD
system as they lack route metrics). Essentially it's like NetworkManager
in this respect but a lot lot smaller. However unlike NetworkManager
dhcpcd does not handle link setup and relies on something else to
configure wpa_supplicant, ppp, etc.

You can also configure an interface based on ARPping a host, wireless
SSID. By this, I mean choose to run DHCP or a static IP, or override key
DHCP values.

Lastly, it works fine on BSD based systems which finally gives them an
alternative. Infact, dhcpcd has been merged into the NetBSD base system
since 5.0. I only mention this as Debian has kFreeBSD.

I'm sure I missed some features out that maybe important to someone :)

There are also related side projects which will find their way into
Debian also - dhcpcd-dbus and dhcpcd-ui (GTK+ systray moniter/interface)
and openresolv (resolvconf alternative, doesn't appear to suffer from
the Debian resolvconf reported bugs). dhcpcd-dbus also talks to
wpa_supplicant so that dhcpcd-ui can attempt to configure it.

Thanks

Roy


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Re: Bug#594672: ITP: dhcpcd5 -- a DHCP client

2010-08-28 Thread Roy Marples
On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 12:33 +0200, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
 Am 28.08.2010 12:11, schrieb Roy Marples:
 dhcpcd is a one stop IPv4 network management daemon which includes
 
  It only supports IPv6?
 
  Only IPv4 at present.
  IPv6 support, at least for RA is planned for the next major version,
  possibly with support for the experimental RFC5006 (DNS in IPv6 RA).
 
 Whops, s/IPv6/IPv4/ in my message, please. :)
 
 IMHO it shouldn't uploaded to Debian, without missing IPv6 support.

What makes you think IPv6 support is required?
It does not touch any existing IPv6 and neither does dhcpcd3. As such it
co-exists just fine with kernel based RA solicitation.

Thanks

Roy


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