Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mehdi Dogguy me...@debian.org * Package name: ben Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Mehdi Dogguy and Stéphane Glondu * URL : http://ben.debian.net/ * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: C, OCaml Description : toolbox for Debian maintainers This is a collection of useful tools that Debian maintainers can use to make their packaging work easier. They all work with regular Debian package list files, and should be useful for Debian derivatives as well. This package ships a single executable, ben, with the following subcommands: * download: download a set of package list files from a mirror * monitor: monitor the status of a set of packages across several architectures (useful for transitions) * query: query packages using their metadata (similar to grep-dctrl, but uses a dedicated query language) * tracker: frontend to multiple monitors -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120629172121.30372.23030.reportbug@potassium
Re: Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
Am Freitag, den 29.06.2012, 19:21 +0200 schrieb Mehdi Dogguy: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mehdi Dogguy me...@debian.org * Package name: ben Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Mehdi Dogguy and Stéphane Glondu * URL : http://ben.debian.net/ * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: C, OCaml Description : toolbox for Debian maintainers This is a collection of useful tools that Debian maintainers can use to make their packaging work easier. They all work with regular Debian package list files, and should be useful for Debian derivatives as well. This package ships a single executable, ben, with the following subcommands: * download: download a set of package list files from a mirror * monitor: monitor the status of a set of packages across several architectures (useful for transitions) * query: query packages using their metadata (similar to grep-dctrl, but uses a dedicated query language) * tracker: frontend to multiple monitors What does ben stand for? Is this just a short name for me? ;) Would it be useful to have ben in devscripts instead of a separate package? -- Benjamin Drung Debian Ubuntu Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
On 29/06/12 19:36, Benjamin Drung wrote: What does ben stand for? Is this just a short name for me? ;) Very long story¹. :) Would it be useful to have ben in devscripts instead of a separate package? No. I beleive devscripts maintainers will not be happy as it requires OCaml and a few OCaml libs to build. It also builds an OCaml library that it is meant to grow considerably in future. I don't think it is a good idea to put it in devscripts. ¹: This has to do with Britney. Regards, -- Mehdi Dogguy مهدي الدڤي http://dogguy.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fedec83.5000...@dogguy.org
Re: Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 07:36:46PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Freitag, den 29.06.2012, 19:21 +0200 schrieb Mehdi Dogguy: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mehdi Dogguy me...@debian.org * Package name: ben Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Mehdi Dogguy and Stéphane Glondu * URL : http://ben.debian.net/ * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: C, OCaml Description : toolbox for Debian maintainers This is a collection of useful tools that Debian maintainers can use to make their packaging work easier. They all work with regular Debian package list files, and should be useful for Debian derivatives as well. This package ships a single executable, ben, with the following subcommands: * download: download a set of package list files from a mirror * monitor: monitor the status of a set of packages across several architectures (useful for transitions) * query: query packages using their metadata (similar to grep-dctrl, but uses a dedicated query language) * tracker: frontend to multiple monitors What does ben stand for? Is this just a short name for me? ;) It's part of the ongoing project to create ambiguity between the developer and package namespaces. We already have packages for abby, abe, aldo, alex, alice, axel, cecilia, chuck, clementine, clive, dino, ed, elisa, elmer, elvis, emma, eric, florence, grace, gregorio, hal, hannah, hercules, ivy, jack, jade, jed, joe, john, jupp, kasumi, kate, kaya, kiki, kitty, magnus, maki, maria, maude, midge, mona, nana, olive, paco, pasco, pia, pius, rio, ruby, simba, stella, tessa, tina, vagrant, vera, yorick, yoshimi (and no doubt other personal names I don't recognise, not to mention family names) though we are lacking developers to match many of them. Ben (Hutchings). Would it be useful to have ben in devscripts instead of a separate package? -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120629191839.gb1...@decadent.org.uk
Re: Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
On 06/29/2012 09:15 PM, Ralf Treinen wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 07:21:21PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mehdi Dogguy me...@debian.org * Package name: ben Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Mehdi Dogguy and Stéphane Glondu * URL : http://ben.debian.net/ * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: C, OCaml Description : toolbox for Debian maintainers * query: query packages using their metadata (similar to grep-dctrl, but uses a dedicated query language) Does it subsume the functionality of ara? ara is orphaned since some time, so this would mean that we could send it into retirement. (Disclaimer: I never used Ara. I just read its short description from http://ara.alioth.debian.org/). For now, ben query is just like grep-dctrl. Not much, not less. We don't have fancy web interfaces like Ara does. HTH, -- Mehdi Dogguy مهدي الدڤي -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fedff08.8040...@dogguy.org
Re: Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 07:21:21PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mehdi Dogguy me...@debian.org * Package name: ben Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Mehdi Dogguy and Stéphane Glondu * URL : http://ben.debian.net/ * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: C, OCaml Description : toolbox for Debian maintainers * query: query packages using their metadata (similar to grep-dctrl, but uses a dedicated query language) Does it subsume the functionality of ara? ara is orphaned since some time, so this would mean that we could send it into retirement. -Ralf. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120629191539.ga19...@free.fr
Re: Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
On 29/06/12 18:21, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mehdi Dogguy me...@debian.org * Package name: ben Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Mehdi Dogguy and Stéphane Glondu * URL : http://ben.debian.net/ * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: C, OCaml Description : toolbox for Debian maintainers This is a collection of useful tools that Debian maintainers can use to make their packaging work easier. They all work with regular Debian package list files, and should be useful for Debian derivatives as well. This package ships a single executable, ben, with the following subcommands: * download: download a set of package list files from a mirror * monitor: monitor the status of a set of packages across several architectures (useful for transitions) * query: query packages using their metadata (similar to grep-dctrl, but uses a dedicated query language) * tracker: frontend to multiple monitors Yes! Please package this I am in ecstasy =) With respect to names, You could name it something boring like: debian-transition-tracker or something along the lines. I will file loads of wishlist bugs, and maybe even help fixing them! Who knows ;-) -- Regards, Dmitrijs. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
On Friday 29 June 2012 21:18:39 Ben Hutchings wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 07:36:46PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Freitag, den 29.06.2012, 19:21 +0200 schrieb Mehdi Dogguy: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mehdi Dogguy me...@debian.org * Package name: ben Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Mehdi Dogguy and Stéphane Glondu * URL : http://ben.debian.net/ * License : AGPL-3+ Programming Lang: C, OCaml Description : toolbox for Debian maintainers This is a collection of useful tools that Debian maintainers can use to make their packaging work easier. They all work with regular Debian package list files, and should be useful for Debian derivatives as well. This package ships a single executable, ben, with the following subcommands: * download: download a set of package list files from a mirror * monitor: monitor the status of a set of packages across several architectures (useful for transitions) * query: query packages using their metadata (similar to grep-dctrl, but uses a dedicated query language) * tracker: frontend to multiple monitors What does ben stand for? Is this just a short name for me? ;) It's part of the ongoing project to create ambiguity between the developer and package namespaces. We already have packages for abby, abe, aldo, alex, alice, axel, cecilia, chuck, clementine, clive, dino, ed, elisa, elmer, elvis, emma, eric, florence, grace, gregorio, hal, hannah, hercules, ivy, jack, jade, jed, joe, john, jupp, kasumi, kate, kaya, kiki, kitty, magnus, maki, maria, maude, midge, mona, nana, olive, paco, pasco, pia, pius, rio, ruby, simba, stella, tessa, tina, vagrant, vera, yorick, yoshimi (and no doubt other personal names I don't recognise, not to mention family names) though we are lacking developers to match many of them. Ben (Hutchings). Fair enough, but I'm also concerned that even more dangerous use-cases exist with so many generic package names... Consider a hypothetical scenario like that: a happy guy gets back at home, sits behind his box and tries to install a handful set of useful packages and the wife was carelessly listening to his shouting out various commands from the other room: apt-get install \ hello emma why cheese and wine burn and cook the dog animals instead half an hour later: apt-get install \ wipe the most sane dates contacts and tasks (yes, the packages will happily install, but the pets and business contacts would most likely suffer severe data loss - depending on the wife:) -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB people.fccf.net/danchev/key pgp.mit.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206300109.09782.danc...@spnet.net
Re: Bug#679547: ITP: ben -- toolbox for Debian maintainers
Le Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 07:21:21PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy a écrit : This is a collection of useful tools that Debian maintainers can use to make their packaging work easier. They all work with regular Debian package list files, and should be useful for Debian derivatives as well. This package ships a single executable, ben, with the following subcommands: Hi, this looks very interesting, but I worry about future name conflicts with the following scenario: - More than one project is likely to be intested for taking /usr/bin/ben as a program name. - Since Debian's ben is Debian-specific, it will not be noticed by projects aiming at a wider audience. - If such a project comes to existence and becomes popular, we will have another name conflict à la node.js. An alterative scenario is that another project of narrow audience picks ben, which will cause a conflict of lesser importance as it will be solved on the usual first-arrived-first-served basis. But the key point is that if we do not aim at hundred thousands users for a tool, I think that we should avoid three-letter names. Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120630010312.ga29...@falafel.plessy.net
