Re: Bug sprint: cookies assignments
Josselin Mouette wrote: Many thanks to José Luis Tallón for proposing to bake cookies, but there are already enough cookers in Spain. Thank you for organizing this all along, and thanks to *all* contributors, whether they fixed their bugs or not, for helping make a better free OS for everyone. Cheers, J.L. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I’d like to thank all players for their contributions. The game was not really fair since some issues were much easier to deal with than others, but it was very nice to see people all over the world fix RC bugs for fun and cookies. Thanks very much, Josselin, for creating and driving an international Debian bug sprint for fun and cookies. What a great and positive way to encourage both competition and collaboration. I hope to see more of these! -- \ “Anyone who puts a small gloss on [a] fundamental technology, | `\ calls it proprietary, and then tries to keep others from | _o__) building on it, is a thief.” —Tim O'Reilly, 2000-01-25 | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug sprint: cookies assignments
Following the previous announcement and corrections I received, I dispatched cookie assignments using the best available technology [0]. Cookies sent to indisputable winners: * Yves-Alexis Perez will receive cookies from Frank Lin Piat * Stefano Zacchiroli will receive cookies from myself * Riku Voipio will receive cookies from Frank Lienhard * Clint Adams will receive cookies from David Moreno Garza * Sean Finney will receive cookies from Jeremiah Foster * Emmanuel Bouthenot will receive cookies from Charles Plessy (who volunteered to send them overseas) * Paul Wise will receive cookies from Tim Richardson As for those who failed to fix their bugs but for whom it would have really been a hard time, they are free to apply the following sentences: * Bruno Beaufils, you can send cookies to Raphaël Hertzog * Julien Danjou, you can send some to Thijs Kinkhorst * Ghe Rivero, you can send them to Adeodato Simó * Christoph Berg, you can send tasty cookies to Marc Brockschmidt * Dominic Hargreaves, feel free to send them to Luk Claes * Tim Retout, it would be nice to bake something for Philipp Kern * Moritz Muehlenhoff, you can send them to Thomas Viehmann, who is basically the only remaining competitor of the BSP marathon Many thanks to José Luis Tallón for proposing to bake cookies, but there are already enough cookers in Spain. Thanks to Y Giridhar Appaji Nag and Nicolas Valcarcel for participating, but we’re not going to ask you to send cookies overseas, unless you know how to make solid and long-lasting ones! Feel free to send cookies to any Debian developer/contributor in your area to encourage them. [0] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pastiches/Pifom%C3%A8tre -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 07:48:21PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: =2E.. hence, given that Lenny hasn't been release yet, when are we gonna make another one? :) Let's make it a Beer Sprint. The winners receive a package with the local brew from the people who didn't manage to fix their bugs. I'm offering German beer to five winners, just as Joss did for cookies. But ... *who* is gonna want the aussie beer? :) -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 07:48:21PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: =2E.. hence, given that Lenny hasn't been release yet, when are we gonna make another one? :) Let's make it a Beer Sprint. The winners receive a package with the local brew from the people who didn't manage to fix their bugs. I'm offering German beer to five winners, just as Joss did for cookies. But ... *who* is gonna want the aussie beer? :) Anybody that has had Victoria Bitter before. -- John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] http WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above, sbih.org ( )(:[ as apparently my cats have learned how to type. spiders.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:39 AM, John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: But ... *who* is gonna want the aussie beer? :) Anybody that has had Victoria Bitter before. I hope that was sarcasm! -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 02:39:47 am John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 07:48:21PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: =2E.. hence, given that Lenny hasn't been release yet, when are we gonna make another one? :) Let's make it a Beer Sprint. The winners receive a package with the local brew from the people who didn't manage to fix their bugs. I'm offering German beer to five winners, just as Joss did for cookies. But ... *who* is gonna want the aussie beer? :) Anybody that has had Victoria Bitter before. You are kidding, right? Cheers Steffen P.S. I am happy to defend that opinion in any flamewar. ... The first debian flameware about beer, yeah :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:21:07 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 07:48:21PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Let's make it a Beer Sprint. The winners receive a package with the local brew from the people who didn't manage to fix their bugs. I'm offering German beer to five winners, just as Joss did for cookies. Why not, but note that local breweries are not that common around the world as they are (IIRC) in Germany. At least they weren't that common in Italy, but that's compensated by home-made liquors usually :) In Sicily we *do* have local breweries ;) http://www.birraceria.it/ http://www.lacavernadelmastrobirraio.com/ http://www.naxosbeer.it/ (this one is from my city!!) http://www.birracurella.it/ http://www.erixbirra.com/ http://www.paulbricius.com/ http://www.laterraeilsole.it/ :) David -- . ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://snipr.com/qa_page `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:22:57AM +0100, David Paleino wrote: In Sicily we *do* have local breweries ;) WOW o_O. In Bologna I was aware of only one :( So you just have to *loose* the forthcoming competition and send beer to everybody :-P -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è sempre /oo\ All one has to do is hit the right uno zaino-- A.Bergonzoni \__/ keys at the right time -- J.S.Bach signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:32:37 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:22:57AM +0100, David Paleino wrote: In Sicily we *do* have local breweries ;) WOW o_O. In Bologna I was aware of only one :( So you just have to *loose* the forthcoming competition and send beer to everybody :-P Most of the beers I cited cannot go very far: they must be kept at a controlled temperature :) So, sorry, I cannot send my local beer :) If you're coming to Sicily, then... that's another story! ;) -- . ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://snipr.com/qa_page `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug Sprint results (draft)
Hi folks, the lenny Bug Sprint is over. I think it is a mitigated success. A success since a number of RC bugs were fixed, but mitigated by the small number of players. I’d like to thank all players for their contributions. The game was not really fair since some issues were much easier to deal with than others, but it was very nice to see people all over the world fix RC bugs for fun and cookies. Now for the results. I have checked the related bugs, but I don’t know deeply enough the issues to judge, so this is only a draft. Please correct me if some people who deserve cookies have been misjudged! I’ve also added the people’s locations to help defining who will send cookies to whom, please correct them if they are wrong. The following people definitely deserve cookies. They provided patches for long-standing RC issues which are all fixed or soon to be. * Yves-Alexis Perez (fr) for closing #486400, fixing #501997 and sending a patch for #448470 * Stefano Zacchiroli (fr) for dealing with #501423 and fixing #434647 * Riku Voipio (fi) for fixing #501301 * Clint Adams (us) for fixing #496269 * Sean Finney (us) for downgrading #501574 and fixing #267040 * Lucas Nussbaum (fr) and Emmanuel Bouthenot (fr) for working together on #501800/#496954 * Paul Wise (au) for fixing #479607 (still to be uploaded) The following people will also receive cookies if there are enough left. * Raphaël Hertzog (fr) for proposing a patch to #501306 * Thijs Kinkhorst (nl) for backporting the fix for #496418 to testing The following people deserve a honorable mention for dealing with their bugs. * Ben Hutchings for downgrading #452377 * Joost Damad for patiently dealing with the submitter of #449497 * Gaudenz Steinlin for proposing approaches for #488669 (this is still work in progress) * Steve Langasek for downgrading #500482 * Kees Cook for downgrading #501903 The following people failed to fix the bugs they were assigned, but the issues were either too complex or already tackled by other people. They are encouraged to contribute to the baking effort, still! * Josselin Mouette (fr) for not fixing the hppa kernel (I will bake cookies anyway) * Julien Danjou (fr) for not fixing the glibc on s390 * Dominic Hargreaves (li) for letting the maintainer fix #501427 * Tim Retout (uk) for letting the maintainer fix #393837 * Christoph Berg (de) for investigating #470882 without success * Y Giridhar Appaji Nag (in) for not fixing gecko embedding * Moritz Muehlenhoff (de) and Charles Plessy (fr) for letting the maintainer fix #486334/#492488 * Ghe Rivero (es) for letting the maintainer fix #434040 * Bruno Beaufils (fr) for letting Sean Finney fix #267040 The following people failed to fix their bugs and have to bake cookies. * Franklin Piat (fr) * David Moreno Garza (us) * Jeremiah Foster (se) * Nicolas Valcarcel (pe) The following people volunteered to bake cookies anyway. BTW we’re missing one in the US area - we can’t let damog handle it all by himself, and I fear cookies made in Europe wouldn’t be tasty after going through Atlantic. * Frank Lienhard (de) * Josselin Mouette (fr) * José Luis Tallón (es) * Tim Richardson (au) * Steve McIntyre (uk) (he proposed money, but we really want cookies instead) As soon as we agree on the list of winners and bakers, I will make assignments. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
Joss wrote: The following people failed to fix the bugs they were assigned, but the issues were either too complex or already tackled by other people. They are encouraged to contribute to the baking effort, still! * Josselin Mouette (fr) for not fixing the hppa kernel (I will bake cookies anyway) * Julien Danjou (fr) for not fixing the glibc on s390 * Dominic Hargreaves (li) for letting the maintainer fix #501427 Dom's actually in the UK, ignore the .li email address. :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Google-bait: http://www.debian.org/CD/free-linux-cd Debian does NOT ship free CDs. Please do NOT contact the mailing lists asking us to send them to you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 01:39:47PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: * Sean Finney (us) for downgrading #501574 and fixing #267040 i'm in .se, actually :) sean signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On 31/10/08 at 13:39 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: The following people definitely deserve cookies. They provided patches for long-standing RC issues which are all fixed or soon to be. * Lucas Nussbaum (fr) and Emmanuel Bouthenot (fr) for working together on #501800/#496954 Emmanuel did most of the work while I was busy trolling on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't desserve cookies, but he does! :-) -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 01:39:47PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: The following people deserve a honorable mention for dealing with their bugs. * Gaudenz Steinlin for proposing approaches for #488669 (this is still work in progress) Oh thanks for the honorable mention. I will be unable to pursue this myself in the next few days, because yesterday heavy snow cut the phone line to my home and the DSL line is gone with it too. I'm now waiting for the phone company to fix the line. Until then I will only have internet access very rarely. I will summarize my findings to the bug report and hope that someone else will take up the work. It will also be easyer for you to fix the bug if you have console access to the specific SPARC hardware affected by the bug, which I have not. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 01:39:47PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: the lenny Bug Sprint is over. I think it is a mitigated success. ^^^ this I think it was a great success, it has proven that fun/game is a good motivation among hackers, and that initiatives like this should be done more frequently. Thanks again for organizing this. ... hence, given that Lenny hasn't been release yet, when are we gonna make another one? :) The following people definitely deserve cookies. They provided patches for long-standing RC issues which are all fixed or soon to be. * Stefano Zacchiroli (fr) /me willing to prove that: (1) I was one of the lucky guys with an easy RC to fix (2) my cookies are nothing special, as the next WINNERs will learn with their mouths BWAWAHAHAHHAHHA Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è sempre /oo\ All one has to do is hit the right uno zaino-- A.Bergonzoni \__/ keys at the right time -- J.S.Bach signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: =2E.. hence, given that Lenny hasn't been release yet, when are we gonna make another one? :) Let's make it a Beer Sprint. The winners receive a package with the local brew from the people who didn't manage to fix their bugs. I'm offering German beer to five winners, just as Joss did for cookies. Cheers, Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 07:48:21PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Let's make it a Beer Sprint. The winners receive a package with the local brew from the people who didn't manage to fix their bugs. I'm offering German beer to five winners, just as Joss did for cookies. Why not, but note that local breweries are not that common around the world as they are (IIRC) in Germany. At least they weren't that common in Italy, but that's compensated by home-made liquors usually :) So let's generalize it to whatever liquid containing alcohol, and I'm in! (Still, BeerSprint is a cool name, let's keep it anyhow.) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è sempre /oo\ All one has to do is hit the right uno zaino-- A.Bergonzoni \__/ keys at the right time -- J.S.Bach signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Why not, but note that local breweries are not that common around the world as they are (IIRC) in Germany. At least they weren't that common in Italy, but that's compensated by home-made liquors usually :) So let's generalize it to whatever liquid containing alcohol, and I'm in! (Still, BeerSprint is a cool name, let's keep it anyhow.) There are a lot of local breweries and wineries here in San Diego, California, USA. I might recommend the name of SloshBugs ;) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sloshball Bug Sloshing Party, anyone? -- John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] http WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above, sbih.org ( )(:[ as apparently my cats have learned how to type. spiders.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint results (draft)
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Paul Wise (au) for fixing #479607 (still to be uploaded) :D cookies :D On the serious side, as I wrote in the bug report, I'm not as familiar with debconf and maintainer scripts as I should be in order to fix this bug satisfactorily. If anyone who does know debconf/maint scripts could review the script, I'd be prepared to share my cookies with you, or shout you a beer at LCA 2009 in Tasmania or DebConf9 in Spain. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
On Oct 21, Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that filing lots of bugs about missing Depends on update-inetd really delays the release. Chris Lamb is fixing those bugs faster than I file them anyway ;) WTF? Packages other than inetd daemons MUST NOT depend on update-inetd. Doing that is WRONG. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
On 30/10/08 at 13:50 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Oct 21, Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that filing lots of bugs about missing Depends on update-inetd really delays the release. Chris Lamb is fixing those bugs faster than I file them anyway ;) WTF? Packages other than inetd daemons MUST NOT depend on update-inetd. Doing that is WRONG. Are common maintainer scripts problems documented somewhere ? It would be very interesting to start a developers-reference chapter about such things. -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug Sprint started!
The Bug Sprint has just started! We have 27 players who registered to win cookies. The list of players and the bug they are affected is available at the usual place: http://wiki.debian.org/BugSprint Thanks for your contribution, and good luck in the game. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
On 22/10/08 at 20:38 -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote: Pierre Habouzit wrote: On mar, oct 21, 2008 at 11:57:48 +, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 21 octobre 2008 à 08:53 -0300, David Bremner a écrit : So downgrading bugs to non-RC severity (with appropriate rationale) does not count in the great cookie contest? Of course it does count; added to the rules in the wiki page. Does bribing lucas into not using grid5k anymore works too ? :) If everything goes the way I want it to be, it won't be just lucas the one filing reports: I asked lucas if he could do the remove/purge test in lenny I'll do that. and the full install/remove/purge test in etch (yeah, you know, there were some changes in etch since r0 that could make packages break). That's not going to be easy. Please choose randomly 100 packages that are in etch. Then run the test you want to run using piuparts, and check that you don't find any FP. Adapt piuparts if you find problems. Provide me with a (modified) piuparts that does the test correctly, a list of (binary) packages in etch that I should test, and an etch chroot (as a tarball) I can use to test into. IOW, please turn this from please fix piuparts for me to please provide computing power. -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 22/10/08 at 20:38 -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote: If everything goes the way I want it to be, it won't be just lucas the one filing reports: I asked lucas if he could do the remove/purge test in lenny I'll do that. Thanks :) and the full install/remove/purge test in etch (yeah, you know, there were some changes in etch since r0 that could make packages break). That's not going to be easy. Please choose randomly 100 packages that are in etch. Then run the test you want to run using piuparts, and check that you don't find any FP. Adapt piuparts if you find problems. Provide me with a (modified) piuparts that does the test correctly, a list of (binary) packages in etch that I should test, and an etch chroot (as a tarball) I can use to test into. IOW, please turn this from please fix piuparts for me to please provide computing power. Hmm, I wouldn't expect piuparts causing more FPs in etch than in lenny or sid; though I'll check some packages just make sure. Cheers, Raphael Geissert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
Pierre Habouzit wrote: On mar, oct 21, 2008 at 11:57:48 +, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 21 octobre 2008 à 08:53 -0300, David Bremner a écrit : So downgrading bugs to non-RC severity (with appropriate rationale) does not count in the great cookie contest? Of course it does count; added to the rules in the wiki page. Does bribing lucas into not using grid5k anymore works too ? :) If everything goes the way I want it to be, it won't be just lucas the one filing reports: I asked lucas if he could do the remove/purge test in lenny and the full install/remove/purge test in etch (yeah, you know, there were some changes in etch since r0 that could make packages break). [This is also a way to remind lucas about my email :)] Cheers, Raphael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
Le mardi 21 octobre 2008 à 08:53 -0300, David Bremner a écrit : So downgrading bugs to non-RC severity (with appropriate rationale) does not count in the great cookie contest? Of course it does count; added to the rules in the wiki page. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
At Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:43:01 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote Fixing a RC bug means either of: * Uploading a NMU that fixes the bug to unstable. * Convincing, with a mail that details the rationale, a release manager to tag the bug lenny-ignore. * Convincing, in a similar way, a release manager to remove the package from lenny. So downgrading bugs to non-RC severity (with appropriate rationale) does not count in the great cookie contest? d -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
On mar, oct 21, 2008 at 11:57:48 +, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 21 octobre 2008 à 08:53 -0300, David Bremner a écrit : So downgrading bugs to non-RC severity (with appropriate rationale) does not count in the great cookie contest? Of course it does count; added to the rules in the wiki page. Does bribing lucas into not using grid5k anymore works too ? :) -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpt45yCrpRX8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:11:04PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Does bribing lucas into not using grid5k anymore works too ? :) Definitely! Please add it to the rules :) -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è sempre /oo\ All one has to do is hit the right uno zaino-- A.Bergonzoni \__/ keys at the right time -- J.S.Bach signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
Josselin Mouette wrote: we are currently very close to release lenny which is most likely going to be absolutely awesome. However, there are currently around 100 RC bugs remaining Apologies if this has already been brought up. Using the number RC bugs that a present in lenny and sid is--in my opinion--a rather misleading metric of bugs that require attention for lenny. This isn't just semantics; one obvious set of bugs that are missed here are bugs that are only present in the upstream version correspending to the version in lenny. We clearly care about these bugs. Another example is that a fix that was uploaded to unstable and unblocked for migration to lenny but it subsequently FTBFS on some arch. Here, even if an explicit FTBFS bug is filed, it will only affects the version in sid and will thus does not appear when applying the bydist=both predicate. I've found bugs in this category require considerably more work than others, not only because they are typically indicative of a more serious problem, but also because they require some syncing with -release and the use of non-mainstream architectures. Regards, -- ,''`. : :' : Chris Lamb `. `'` [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
On 21/10/08 at 14:11 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On mar, oct 21, 2008 at 11:57:48 +, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 21 octobre 2008 à 08:53 -0300, David Bremner a écrit : So downgrading bugs to non-RC severity (with appropriate rationale) does not count in the great cookie contest? Of course it does count; added to the rules in the wiki page. Does bribing lucas into not using grid5k anymore works too ? :) I'm not sure that filing lots of bugs about missing Depends on update-inetd really delays the release. Chris Lamb is fixing those bugs faster than I file them anyway ;) -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Depending on update-inetd [was: Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies]
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I'm not sure that filing lots of bugs about missing Depends on update-inetd really delays the release. Chris Lamb is fixing those bugs faster than I file them anyway ;) You mean like this one? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502706 Can I refer to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466114 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg01013.html One thing I have noticed about this is that update-inetd contains /usr/share/perl5/DebianNet.pm, but other implementations don't, so what should a package using the perl interface do? Thanks, James -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies
Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:50:59AM -0500]: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:11:04PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Does bribing lucas into not using grid5k anymore works too ? :) Definitely! Please add it to the rules :) Can Lucas be bribed with cookies? I always noticed some resemblance between him and http://tinyurl.com/fix-RC-now Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug sprint !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josselin Mouette wrote: However, in the permanent BSP state that has lasted for quite some time, people seem to lose focus on this urgent need for the release. So the idea is: 122 developers × 5 days = 122 RC bugs fixed The rules are : at the end of a 5-day period, the bug you are assigned must be closed in unstable or have a lenny-ignore tag. Otherwise this is a free-for-all. The first 5 developers to fix their bugs will be sent a box of home-made cookies. Those who can’t fix their bugs in 5 days will receive the visit of a release manager who will hit them with a rusty shovel. (with or without keysigning opportunities ?) All we need is 122 skilled developers willing to sign in this contract (with their blood). I'm all for it ! (although the bit with the blood might get a little delicate electronically...) Cheers, Vincent - -- Vincent Fourmond, Debian Developer http://vince-debian.blogspot.com/ The moon was high now, in a sky as black as a cup of coffee that wasn't very black at all. -- Terry Pratchet, Men at arms Vincent, listening to Ive Just Seen A Face (The Beatles) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjwiskACgkQx/UhwSKygspWhACglUNvXQ5c+9zGaUTn+DpEkq8P YlEAoIj3bmFCAdzuOYBiFg8meLJPDx8O =MyqK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug sprint !
Hi, there are currently 122 RC bugs remaining that affect both testing and unstable. We need to fix them NOW. However, in the permanent BSP state that has lasted for quite some time, people seem to lose focus on this urgent need for the release. So the idea is: 122 developers × 5 days = 122 RC bugs fixed The rules are : at the end of a 5-day period, the bug you are assigned must be closed in unstable or have a lenny-ignore tag. Otherwise this is a free-for-all. The first 5 developers to fix their bugs will be sent a box of home-made cookies. Those who can’t fix their bugs in 5 days will receive the visit of a release manager who will hit them with a rusty shovel. All we need is 122 skilled developers willing to sign in this contract (with their blood). Does it sound like a realistic idea? Not to me. First, we're already doing good on RC bug fixing. We already missed the original schedule, and AFAIK this time nobody announced that lenny would be released according to the release schedule in an official medium. Second, several of these 122 bugs are either new or pending, so they're likely already on the way of being fixed. After that, the list of bugs need to be triaged. Then the release team will deal with some of the remaining bugs by removing the packages from testing. Some can be downgraded by documenting them. Some aren't regressions from Etch, some are duplicates. The about 50 bugs remaining won't be much for the number of developers with free time willing to work on releasing lenny. It's unrealistic to ask a random developer to fix an RC bug in a random package in 5 days. If I'm assigned a bug in a GNOME package I never used, as a KDE user, and which is coded in Perl, which I don't know, my motivation to fix the bug will be low, and the chances I get the bug off the RC radar in 5 days very low, unless you actually plan to send cookies and beat me if I fail. AFAIK, most of those participating in recent BSP-s didn't get any particular reward for their work. I think it's better for few bug and many developers, to let developers work on the bugs they care about. Another way to increase the rate RC bugs are dealt with would be to give particular reward to BSP participants by crediting them in news. In the long-term, it would help to create a ranking of Debian contributors according to the value of their contributions to Debian, which would take RC bugs dealt with into consideration. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug sprint !
Hi, there are currently 122 RC bugs remaining that affect both testing and unstable. We need to fix them NOW. However, in the permanent BSP state that has lasted for quite some time, people seem to lose focus on this urgent need for the release. So the idea is: 122 developers × 5 days = 122 RC bugs fixed The rules are : at the end of a 5-day period, the bug you are assigned must be closed in unstable or have a lenny-ignore tag. Otherwise this is a free-for-all. The first 5 developers to fix their bugs will be sent a box of home-made cookies. Those who can’t fix their bugs in 5 days will receive the visit of a release manager who will hit them with a rusty shovel. All we need is 122 skilled developers willing to sign in this contract (with their blood). Does it sound like a realistic idea? If people agree with it, I’ll setup a wiki page to collect the volunteer list and send an announcement. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: Bug sprint !
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, there are currently 122 RC bugs remaining that affect both testing and unstable. We need to fix them NOW. However, in the permanent BSP state that has lasted for quite some time, people seem to lose focus on this urgent need for the release. So the idea is: 122 developers × 5 days = 122 RC bugs fixed The rules are : at the end of a 5-day period, the bug you are assigned must be closed in unstable or have a lenny-ignore tag. Otherwise this is a free-for-all. The first 5 developers to fix their bugs will be sent a box of home-made cookies. Those who can’t fix their bugs in 5 days will receive the visit of a release manager who will hit them with a rusty shovel. Would using a gnuherds.org pledge on RC bugs be useful here? Then people can donate money to get RC bugs fixed in debian, and people who fix the bug can claim the money. The claims and pledges would be open, which I think is important. I understand there could be conflicts in agreeing on who actually closed a particular RC bug though. Hm. Maybe voting could resolve that... Just an idea. /Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug sprint !
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:04:12PM +, Josselin Mouette wrote: Hi, there are currently 122 RC bugs remaining that affect both testing and unstable. We need to fix them NOW. However, in the permanent BSP state that has lasted for quite some time, people seem to lose focus on this urgent need for the release. So the idea is: 122 developers × 5 days = 122 RC bugs fixed The rules are : at the end of a 5-day period, the bug you are assigned must be closed in unstable or have a lenny-ignore tag. Otherwise this is a free-for-all. The first 5 developers to fix their bugs will be sent a box of home-made cookies. Those who can’t fix their bugs in 5 days will receive the visit of a release manager who will hit them with a rusty shovel. All we need is 122 skilled developers willing to sign in this contract (with their blood). Does it sound like a realistic idea? If people agree with it, I’ll setup a wiki page to collect the volunteer list and send an announcement. Sadly something like 20 to 30 bugs aren't easy to solve even by the best developpers in only 5 days[e.g. look at the tokyocabinet bug, I don't think I'm unskilled even if there is a lot of better DDs than me, and I just don't know where to start]. but still that is clearly a good idea. I would sign on this. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgp5GZVV9z0f6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug sprint !
OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du vendredi 10 octobre 2008, vers 14:04, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] disait : The rules are : at the end of a 5-day period, the bug you are assigned must be closed in unstable or have a lenny-ignore tag. Otherwise this is a free-for-all. The developer that will get Iceweasel unreproducible bugs will be unlucky. -- printk(??? No FDIV bug? Lucky you...\n); 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386/bugs.h pgpmGCTzFKDjx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug sprint !
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 02:04:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: All we need is 122 skilled developers willing to sign in this contract (with their blood). Does it sound like a realistic idea? If people agree with it, I’ll setup a wiki page to collect the volunteer list and send an announcement. I'm not sure I'm willing to sign the contract with my blood :), but beside that I think it is a wonderful idea: it is opt-in, visible, ... and looks like fun! Go for the wiki page and then announce it on d-d-a (with the details of which RM will be traveling which country to kick the needed asses!). Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ I'm still an SGML person,this newfangled /\ All one has to do is hit the XML stuff is so ... simplistic -- Manoj \/ right keys at the right time signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug sprint !
Simon Josefsson wrote: Would using a gnuherds.org pledge on RC bugs be useful here? Then people can donate money to get RC bugs fixed in debian, and people who fix the bug can claim the money. The claims and pledges would be open, which I think is important. I understand there could be conflicts in agreeing on who actually closed a particular RC bug though. Hm. Maybe voting could resolve that... Personally, I think we should just do it for the fun. Kind regards T. -- Thomas Viehmann, http://thomas.viehmann.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug sprint !
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 07:50:10PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du vendredi 10 octobre 2008, vers 14:04, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] disait : The rules are : at the end of a 5-day period, the bug you are assigned must be closed in unstable or have a lenny-ignore tag. Otherwise this is a free-for-all. The developer that will get Iceweasel unreproducible bugs will be unlucky. If the bugs are unreproducible, why have they not been downgraded? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug sprint !
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:55:46AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 07:50:10PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du vendredi 10 octobre 2008, vers 14:04, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] disait : The rules are : at the end of a 5-day period, the bug you are assigned must be closed in unstable or have a lenny-ignore tag. Otherwise this is a free-for-all. The developer that will get Iceweasel unreproducible bugs will be unlucky. If the bugs are unreproducible, why have they not been downgraded? Because several people got the same crash with the same stack trace. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug sprint !
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008, Simon Josefsson wrote: Would using a gnuherds.org pledge on RC bugs be useful here? Then people can donate money to get RC bugs fixed in debian, and people who fix the bug can claim the money. The claims and pledges would be open, which I think is important. I understand there could be conflicts in agreeing on who actually closed a particular RC bug though. Hm. Maybe voting could resolve that... Just an idea. Good idea! There's even gonna be a free domain name soon to do that properly: % whois dunc-tank.org|grep -i status Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED Status:AUTORENEWPERIOD Joss, après vous. No seriously, fun will do just fine ;-) -- Mohammed Adnène Trojette -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
