Re: Debian maintainers and the Launchpad
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 03:09:27PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Allow me to explain a bit about the purpose of this application. This portion of the Launchpad application, when it is completed, will provide a composite index of all of the packages available in Ubuntu and in Debian, and link together various information about them. Each Debian package will correspond to a page on the site, and it will display (among other information about the package) the name of its maintainer, regardless of the status of the package in Ubuntu. This information will be heavily cross-referenced with other resources, so that (for example), a Debian maintainer will be able to visit the site, and see all of their packages, which versions are present in various Ubuntu and Debian releases, any patches applied in Ubuntu relative to Debian, relevant Ubuntu bug reports and other resources. The purpose of this tool is to allow for more efficient collaboration, both within Ubuntu and Debian, and between Ubuntu and Debian. While this sounds like a very useful tool, AFAIK it is a proprietary service (for now?), and I wonder whether this clashes with part two of our social contract, at least with the spirit of it (as Debian obviously did not write it). So while it will no doubt be useful to individual developers, whether Debian as a whole will be able to adopt this cooperate with it (as your last paragraph suggests: 'within Debian') would need to be discussed at some point. cheers, Michael -- Michael Banck Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian maintainers and the Launchpad
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 12:35:21AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: While this sounds like a very useful tool, AFAIK it is a proprietary service (for now?), and I wonder whether this clashes with part two of our social contract, at least with the spirit of it (as Debian obviously did not write it). The basis for your concern is not clear to me; can you elaborate? Do you interpret the social contract to mean that Debian developers should avoid using certain web applications based on the licenses of the software used to implement them? So while it will no doubt be useful to individual developers, whether Debian as a whole will be able to adopt this cooperate with it (as your last paragraph suggests: 'within Debian') would need to be discussed at some point. I do hope that the system will be useful to Debian developers, but I have made no such suggestion regarding any kind of position on the part of the Debian project as a whole, nor is it typical for Debian to take such positions. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian maintainers and the Launchpad
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 11:56:45AM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: I think all other distributions based on Debian do change the Maintainer field. If someone wishes to be a maintainer for Ubuntu (or Kubuntu, or Gentoo, or Linspire, or RedHat, or ...), then they can apply with a given distribution. Yes, of course. I can only speak for Ubuntu, but it is of course not our intention to claim in any way that Debian developers are necessarily Ubuntu deveopers. Personally, I did not get that impression from the web page that started this thread, but I can understand your perspective, and would like to know if there are specific changes to the page which would help you to feel more comfortable about your name being present on them. I think that it makes sense for us to reflect the fact that Ubuntu uses packages which were originally developed, and continue to be maintained, by the Debian community. This is a strong point for both communities: sharing of code is one of the core principles which allows Debian and Ubuntu to produce the work that they do. Allow me to explain a bit about the purpose of this application. This portion of the Launchpad application, when it is completed, will provide a composite index of all of the packages available in Ubuntu and in Debian, and link together various information about them. Each Debian package will correspond to a page on the site, and it will display (among other information about the package) the name of its maintainer, regardless of the status of the package in Ubuntu. This information will be heavily cross-referenced with other resources, so that (for example), a Debian maintainer will be able to visit the site, and see all of their packages, which versions are present in various Ubuntu and Debian releases, any patches applied in Ubuntu relative to Debian, relevant Ubuntu bug reports and other resources. The purpose of this tool is to allow for more efficient collaboration, both within Ubuntu and Debian, and between Ubuntu and Debian. There will be distinct web pages for the Debian and Ubuntu contexts for these packages, even if the source package itself is bit-for-bit identical. If it would be desirable to change the way that this information is presented, this is something that can be discussed between the Launchpad developers and the Debian community. I'm CCing Kiko, who can be a point of contact for the Launchpad project. If any Debian developer has concerns about this subject, please feel free to contact him. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
