GNOME upstream portability [was: Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce]
[Another new topic, sorry -develites] On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 06:38:31PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 18:31 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: What's the the status of XFCE regarding accessibility? That was a big strengh of GNOME for a long time, though I've heard rumors (sorry not to be more specific) that gnome-shell has some unsolved issues in that regard, which is a problem since GNOME classic/fallback mode is gone in 3.8. An even stronger reason to move away from Gnome if the classic mode disappears. What's the status of GNOME on BSDs? How do they get around this sytemd stuff, if it's not ported? Do they just use chunks of systemd like Ubuntu? I know GNOME is fairly sane, I can't imagine they'd break *BSD like that. Cheers, T -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org : :' : Proud Debian Developer `. `'` 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GNOME upstream portability [was: Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 GNOME can run on BSD. This page documents the procedure done by one user. https://wiki.gnome.org/TingweiLan/FreeBSD On 10/24/2013 01:16 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: [Another new topic, sorry -develites] On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 06:38:31PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 18:31 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: What's the the status of XFCE regarding accessibility? That was a big strengh of GNOME for a long time, though I've heard rumors (sorry not to be more specific) that gnome-shell has some unsolved issues in that regard, which is a problem since GNOME classic/fallback mode is gone in 3.8. An even stronger reason to move away from Gnome if the classic mode disappears. What's the status of GNOME on BSDs? How do they get around this sytemd stuff, if it's not ported? Do they just use chunks of systemd like Ubuntu? I know GNOME is fairly sane, I can't imagine they'd break *BSD like that. Cheers, T -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSaVSCAAoJECqPt0hwyHtvAxsQAK2AS1FCyHAARaavY0M6uWXO u2vwLQaYsIoN2idyWlufE52wQyuyrSoXQJylkambhgqUsqJVnp07SZzAnp+Q2tH0 yVE4G3nxPdonrn+WE38xSg0W/2vHA84h3uF8R5Ow0KJ/f9HGr6v7pQeIWjmuD5FY g8bMJ9JTcGUIcXf8/CyEY6zcS+fxU/1ZN8PKK/K0p+c8V/CU3uJL5fQl2Ko1mnE5 W5mCXnNXPNPQ3/rI78XKCUF4OokQdZioOp8dcJiC9A3ZCN7LdXAbDGajisIhDx1y L/yQ2mTXaidFbaTf5vifA3WL1u/qygBKYfbcAmUL+pu6D3Piq9j3WfKdYbEq+gLi y1hwYT9HOzJLNBrD4crge0lA8S+gL4h8ceE2lMzqBdn5Rwm7I+A6vYtRxkpbAPXa TEQOoBBUN0+S/Vc1vY84RvHsvaTBFh/wrW23YCIGIzGOAS5Lpn/XtCPY47fY4ibZ LMJYagybkW+w42ijzJ9iHPErt1tfpgMO2IfZNw+99OZEmETJ/uDlEY2pX2Lu907X EmD8ZZarMvMNMnSh7oiOfE7CTsGfp7EYu86KM67FnqXa8paDmyIn3CZFjUVfVNsu GLbJZajWgnD98eHw/Dm+3VNCwJ1VJHKRktZ1Qlezkgl46AOebBJHvxqu7klR4JL6 d8d9GpM0oFtL001RJjIC =mi06 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52695482.4020...@riseup.net
Re: GNOME upstream portability [was: Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce]
Hi, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: [Another new topic, sorry -develites] On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 06:38:31PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 18:31 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: What's the the status of XFCE regarding accessibility? That was a big strengh of GNOME for a long time, though I've heard rumors (sorry not to be more specific) that gnome-shell has some unsolved issues in that regard, which is a problem since GNOME classic/fallback mode is gone in 3.8. An even stronger reason to move away from Gnome if the classic mode disappears. What's the status of GNOME on BSDs? How do they get around this sytemd stuff, if it's not ported? Do they just use chunks of systemd like Ubuntu? I can't answer for the systemd part but GNOME on BSDs mostly depends on developers doing the sometimes necessary porting work. For example Antoine Jacoutot (CC'ed so he can answer the systemd part) has been working making sure it runs fine on OpenBSD. For the GNOME 3.10 release he produced a video demonstrating it running on OpenBSD: https://www.bsdfrog.org/tmp/gnome310.webm Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131024172518.ga23...@0d.be
Re: GNOME upstream portability [was: Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce]
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 07:25:18PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: What's the status of GNOME on BSDs? How do they get around this sytemd stuff, if it's not ported? Do they just use chunks of systemd like Ubuntu? I can't answer for the systemd part but GNOME on BSDs mostly depends on developers doing the sometimes necessary porting work. For example Antoine Jacoutot (CC'ed so he can answer the systemd part) has been working making sure it runs fine on OpenBSD. For the GNOME 3.10 release he produced a video demonstrating it running on OpenBSD: https://www.bsdfrog.org/tmp/gnome310.webm Hi. On OpenBSD we just dropped the features that need systemd for now. There was some talk about porting some systemd interfaces but the path GNOME is currently taking made us stop for now since it seems clearer each day that systemd will be a hard requirement at some point (not just 'some' interfaces). Even if they do not call it a hard requirement, you will loose 1/2 of what makes GNOME interesting which would render it useless to us. So for now it works ok enough I would say, but in the middle term, I don't see any future for !linux+systemd in GNOME. While some people are really opened about keeping fallback code for ConsoleKit or portability patches, some don't care at all or are even getting in our way on purpose. That is my own feeling so far, but it would be interesting to know what other folks think (FreeBSD, Gentoo...). -- Antoine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131025004612.gf4...@janus.obspm.bsdfrog.org
