Greylisting: discussion should stop here, for now (Re: greylisting on debian.org?)

2006-07-18 Thread Adrian von Bidder
Apart from the fact that the opinions seem to be set (and haven't really 
changed since the last time the discussion came up IIRC, so we really can 
stop arguing - nothing new for quite some time...): am I correct in my 
observation that nobody who has participated in this discussion up to now 
is involved in Debian email administration?  I had a quick look at 
http://www.debian.org/intro/organization, but I didn't really check all 
names.

So even if the discussion leans in favor of greylisting on RBL (SBL+XBL? Or 
also DUL, spamcop, ...?): is there any chance of this getting anywhere?

cheers
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Re: Greylisting: discussion should stop here, for now (Re: greylisting on debian.org?)

2006-07-18 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 13:20, Adrian von Bidder a écrit :
 Apart from the fact that the opinions seem to be set (and haven't
 really changed since the last time the discussion came up IIRC, so we
 really can stop arguing - nothing new for quite some time...): am I
 correct in my observation that nobody who has participated in this
 discussion up to now is involved in Debian email administration?  I
 had a quick look at http://www.debian.org/intro/organization, but I
 didn't really check all names.

For the record (it was already said in the thread IIRC), the setup we 
are discussing is in production on alioth since sth like 4 or 5 monthes 
now (maybe a bit less) on my idea, and thanks to Raphael Hertzog for 
actually using his alioth admin hat to put it together.

so as a matter of a fact, yes, I've already worked in a way so that such 
solutions can be implemented where there is reachable and listening 
people to work with.

 So even if the discussion leans in favor of greylisting on RBL
 (SBL+XBL? Or also DUL, spamcop, ...?): is there any chance of this
 getting anywhere?

I'm not sure the DSA team is a very open one, if I'm mistaken, then take 
that mail as an official application request, either for a temporary 
delegation (or for a more permanent thing) to work on implementing more 
efficient mail delivery on debian MX'es.

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Re: Greylisting: discussion should stop here, for now (Re: greylisting on debian.org?)

2006-07-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 For the record (it was already said in the thread IIRC), the setup we 
 are discussing is in production on alioth since sth like 4 or 5 monthes 
 now (maybe a bit less) on my idea, and thanks to Raphael Hertzog for 
 actually using his alioth admin hat to put it together.

Can you document on the relevant web page exactly how the graylisting
works and what specific things get blocked and when?

Thomas


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Re: Greylisting: discussion should stop here, for now (Re: greylisting on debian.org?)

2006-07-18 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le mar 18 juillet 2006 21:26, Thomas Bushnell BSG a écrit :
 Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  For the record (it was already said in the thread IIRC), the setup
  we are discussing is in production on alioth since sth like 4 or 5
  monthes now (maybe a bit less) on my idea, and thanks to Raphael
  Hertzog for actually using his alioth admin hat to put it together.

 Can you document on the relevant web page exactly how the graylisting
 works and what specific things get blocked and when?

  I've already gived numbers in the thread (even graphs), for a similar 
setup.

  I don't have access to alioth logs, but the setup is world readable, 
log on alioth and read it ;) Moreover, as there is quite few valid 
aliases, alioth greylist do not takes care of the recipient in account 
for the greylisting, but only the MAIL FROM + SENDER IP, which a good 
trade off for alioth, but may not be true for DD accounts. that's the 
sole deviation of what has been discussed here, and is not very 
relevant to the discussion anyway.

  Technically, I don't know what you want me to say more than what is 
explained on my blog and in that thread (or in alioth's world readable 
exim.conf).

 Moreover I don't see what value the 6 or 7 mails that you posted less 
than 1 hour ago, in the same quarter, answering to at least half of the 
most recents posts in the thread, have made the discussion make any 
progress.
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