Re: Introducing Declarative Debian
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Re: Introducing Declarative Debian
On Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 07:22:32PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud dijo [Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 03:54:55PM +0200]: > > > For example: > > > * httpserver-is-apache > > > * imapserver-is-dovecot > > > > You need to think larger! > > > > * christoph-got-you-to-think-about-this-seriously > > * april-s-fool-is-less-and-less-fun-in-an-era-of-fakenews > > * I-genuinely-giggled-though > > However, I insist on consistent naming. At least we should require all > declarative-named packages to follow a proper foo-is-bar name until > the secret project to include ChatGPT as a dependency for apt is > finally ready to be announced. How are we doing on the main prerequisite for that? I mean, yeah, an effort to get all DDs and DMs to sign an "I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords" pledge is hard enough, but doing it as a good phishing campaign with a large chance of success makes it a lot harder. G'luck, Peter -- Peter Pentchev r...@ringlet.net r...@debian.org p...@storpool.com PGP key:http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint 2EE7 A7A5 17FC 124C F115 C354 651E EFB0 2527 DF13 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Introducing Declarative Debian
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud dijo [Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 03:54:55PM +0200]: > > For example: > > * httpserver-is-apache > > * imapserver-is-dovecot > > You need to think larger! > > * christoph-got-you-to-think-about-this-seriously > * april-s-fool-is-less-and-less-fun-in-an-era-of-fakenews > * I-genuinely-giggled-though However, I insist on consistent naming. At least we should require all declarative-named packages to follow a proper foo-is-bar name until the secret project to include ChatGPT as a dependency for apt is finally ready to be announced.
Re: Introducing Declarative Debian
Le dimanche, 2 avril 2023, 15.41:12 h CEST Micha Lenk a écrit : > I'm not quite sure I got the concept. Is this just (also) another way of > expressing things we currently express with virtual packages? > > For example: > * httpserver-is-apache > * imapserver-is-dovecot You need to think larger! * christoph-got-you-to-think-about-this-seriously * april-s-fool-is-less-and-less-fun-in-an-era-of-fakenews * I-genuinely-giggled-though -- OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Introducing Declarative Debian
Hi Christoph, Am 1. April 2023 21:53:17 MESZ schrieb Christoph Biedl : >[...] >Examples that come to mind include names like > >* everything-is-fine >* systemd-is-the-salvation >* freedom-is-slavery >* sid-is-stable > >But perhaps these goals are a bit too big for the moment. So at first >I'd like to gather more input on this and would appreciate suggestions >where to head for next. In the quest for final truth. I'm not quite sure I got the concept. Is this just (also) another way of expressing things we currently express with virtual packages? For example: * httpserver-is-apache * imapserver-is-dovecot What benefits could be in the bag of declarative Debian? You made me curious. :) Kind regards, Micha
Re: Introducing Declarative Debian
On 2023-04-01 21:53:17 +0200 (+0200), Christoph Biedl wrote: [...] > Examples that come to mind include names like > > * everything-is-fine > * systemd-is-the-salvation > * freedom-is-slavery > * sid-is-stable > > But perhaps these goals are a bit too big for the moment. So at first > I'd like to gather more input on this and would appreciate suggestions > where to head for next. In the quest for final truth. I'll be perfectly satisfied with bookworm-is-released. ;) -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Introducing Declarative Debian
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Introducing Declarative Debian
Heya, perhaps it this happens more often that one might think: Huge changes come in silence and small steps, and it takes a while to realize something big is happening. And it seems we're just witnessing another story of that kind. It's about the naming of Debian packages, more precisely: about making a statement in that very name. Perhaps not the first of that kind, but certainly one that got broader attention was "python-is-python3". Since then, there have been more, for example “borgbackup-is-borgbackup2” and “usr-is-merged”. It should however be noted there a several packages name "node-is-*" - that's just a coincidence, caused by the function these packages provide. Still it's about time to make this a formal concept, something I call "Declarative Debian". Instead of dealing with all the difficulties about packaging, licenses, problematic upstreams, endless discussions about the right way to do things - let's just declare what we want to achieve, and we're done. Examples that come to mind include names like * everything-is-fine * systemd-is-the-salvation * freedom-is-slavery * sid-is-stable But perhaps these goals are a bit too big for the moment. So at first I'd like to gather more input on this and would appreciate suggestions where to head for next. In the quest for final truth. Christoph signature.asc Description: PGP signature
