Item lists bulletting (was: Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-16 Thread Christian Perrier
Andreas Tille a écrit :

 I have not found any recommendation regarding this at the SRP Wiki page
 [1].
 I vaguely remember that this Smith project was initially driven by a French
 guy who might try to push a French habit into the English world. ;-)


Of course. Because, contrary to the world of English language, we *do*
have written rules for such cases. From the Lexique des règles
typographiques en usage à l'Imprimerie Nationale (which is the
reference for all typographic conventions for the French languagethe
reference book of all French TeXnicians) :

Les énumérations

- elles sont introduites par un deux-points ;
- les énumérations de premier rang sont introduites par un tiret et
se terminent par un point-virgule, sauf la dernière par un point final ;
- les énumérations de second rang sont introduites par un tiret
décalé et se terminent par une virgule.


Which (badly) translates to:

Itemizations:
- they're introduced by a colon;
- first degree itemizations are preceeded by a dash and end with a
semi-colon, except the last one that ends up with a sentence dot;
- second degree itemizations are preceeded by a tabbed dash and end
up with a comma.


I have never been able to find any such solid reference for English.
There is probably something in the Chicago Manual of Style, that's
generally accepted as the Right Reference for en_US.

Maybe more input from our experts on debian-l10n-english?


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Re: Item lists bulletting (was: Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2009-04-16 kello 08:42 +0200, Christian Perrier kirjoitti:
 I have never been able to find any such solid reference for English.
 There is probably something in the Chicago Manual of Style, that's
 generally accepted as the Right Reference for en_US.
 
 Maybe more input from our experts on debian-l10n-english?

I'm not an expert, but I have the 14th edition of the CMS. It says both
bullets and dashes are acceptable (8.77, page 314, for reference).

(I am not expressing an opinion for or against the normalization of long
description markup.)


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Re: Item lists bulletting (was: Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions)

2009-04-16 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Lars Wirzenius (l...@liw.fi):
 to, 2009-04-16 kello 08:42 +0200, Christian Perrier kirjoitti:
  I have never been able to find any such solid reference for English.
  There is probably something in the Chicago Manual of Style, that's
  generally accepted as the Right Reference for en_US.
  
  Maybe more input from our experts on debian-l10n-english?
 
 I'm not an expert, but I have the 14th edition of the CMS. It says both
 bullets and dashes are acceptable (8.77, page 314, for reference).


Well, based on that discussion, these facts and the current practice,
I think that, in Smith reviews, we will, from now, recommend the use
of asterisks for 1st level items in item lists, in package
descriptions and debconf templates (these are the texts we review).

Please note that this is not *enforcing* things on maintainers. All
Smith reviews are suggestions made to maintainers and they are
associated to the whole discussion/review. When maintainers insist on
some practice (or even spelling|wording) we always follow their advice
at the endeven for mainainers who insist on using first person
sentences (hint hint).

The same will happen for item lists.




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