Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-16 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Julien Cristau wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 17:52:31 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
  And for packages you either have to do stable updates all the time, or
  add an additional repository, or use unstable on a server. Whatever you
  prefer.
  
 Not to mention debian mirrors don't have to run debian.

And that most mirrors are not insane enough to run git-of-the-day, instead
we wait for some head's up in debian-mirrors-announce or debian-mirrors.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-16 Thread Simon Paillard
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 09:12:54PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 04:05:59PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
  On 03/13/2011 05:53 PM, Hideki Yamane wrote:
   On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:20:21 +0100
   David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com wrote:
   Unfortunately many mirrors doesn't use the newest version of ftpsync [0]
   and therefore their two stage update of the mirror is flawed:
   
I wonder why does anyone package it? If we can get is as a package,
it's easier to update.
  
  git clone https://ftp-master.debian.org/git/archvsync.git
  
[..]
 What happened to anonftpsync anyway ...

http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync (fixed for InRelease file)

But still, see Ganneff'points, and anonftsync doesn't integrate properly with
push setup..

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InRelease file and mirror problems

2011-03-16 Thread Simon Paillard
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 03:20:21PM +0100, David Kalnischkies wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 13:32, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com 
 wrote:
  when apt-updating from ftp.se.debian.org i get the following Hash Sum
  mismatch failures:
  (it does not happen when using ftp.us.debian.org in sources.list)
 
 APT since version 0.8.11 uses the clearsigned InRelease files instead of
 Release and its detached Release.gpg if possible.
 The file was announced by the ftpmasters on Nov 15, 2009 -
 I really thought it would be save to use it more than a year later…

Indeed, this change has been taken into account only lately (Feb 2011) in
ftpsync, this is a clear failure (let's say in the process).

We missed the sentence in the d-d-a mail of concern for Release files.
For such change, I guess an explicit notice to mirroradm would have helped (or
in ftpsync a less smart but more robust scheme, exluding /dists and not only
specific files inside /dists).

 btw: The documentation on [0] doesn't include the InRelease file yet.
 Any pointers where to complain about that? d-mirror, d-www, d-…?

debian-mirrors.
Fixed.

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Re: Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Svante Signell
Looks like it was a false alarm, all is normal again at
{http,ftp}.us.debian.org. Is ftp.us.debian.org the master node?

 Same problem now also at {http,ftp}.us.debian.org?
 
 W: Failed to fetch
 bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages
   Hash Sum mismatch
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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Eduard Bloch wrote:

 #include hallo.h
 * Paul Wise [Tue, Mar 15 2011, 08:58:47AM]:
 
  What was the reason for adding InRelease anyway?
 
 I guess (repeating: *guess*) the main reason is that GPG signature needs
 to be verified for the exact file contents. If you put them into two
 files then you have a certain window where they are inconsistent.

Yup.

Another fix would be to list *two* copied of each file's hash in the
(In)Release file.  The checksum of the new Packages (etc.) files and of
the old version.

Apt would then accept either version.

Of course this only makes sense for unstable which updates regularly.
For security we might consider doing it also, but re-issue a new
InRelease a few hours after the first mirror pulse that gets rid of the
old checksums.

For stable we probably wouldn't do that as the key to sign stuff is kept
offline, AIUI, so it becomes impractical.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-03-15, Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org wrote:
 Apt would then accept either version.

 Of course this only makes sense for unstable which updates regularly.
 For security we might consider doing it also, but re-issue a new
 InRelease a few hours after the first mirror pulse that gets rid of the
 old checksums.

 For stable we probably wouldn't do that as the key to sign stuff is kept
 offline, AIUI, so it becomes impractical.

stable doesn't use InRelease because AFAIK it can't handle two signatures in a
sane way and because it's not overly useful given that Release and Release.gpg
only update every one to two months.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/13/2011 05:53 PM, Hideki Yamane wrote:
 On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:20:21 +0100
 David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Unfortunately many mirrors doesn't use the newest version of ftpsync [0]
 and therefore their two stage update of the mirror is flawed:
 
  I wonder why does anyone package it? If we can get is as a package,
  it's easier to update.

git clone https://ftp-master.debian.org/git/archvsync.git

Easy enough to keep updated.



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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 15/03/11 at 16:05 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
 On 03/13/2011 05:53 PM, Hideki Yamane wrote:
  On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:20:21 +0100
  David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com wrote:
  Unfortunately many mirrors doesn't use the newest version of ftpsync [0]
  and therefore their two stage update of the mirror is flawed:
  
   I wonder why does anyone package it? If we can get is as a package,
   it's easier to update.
 
 git clone https://ftp-master.debian.org/git/archvsync.git
 
 Easy enough to keep updated.

Indeed, I don't know why we bother with packages at all.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/15/2011 04:17 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
 Indeed, I don't know why we bother with packages at all.

Thanks for your constructive comment.


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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote:
 On 03/15/2011 04:17 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
 Indeed, I don't know why we bother with packages at all.

 Thanks for your constructive comment.

He's right though. With packages, you can receive automatic
notification of available updates.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/15/2011 04:54 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote:
 On 03/15/2011 04:17 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
 Indeed, I don't know why we bother with packages at all.

 Thanks for your constructive comment.
 
 He's right though. With packages, you can receive automatic
 notification of available updates.

With git, too. man cron.
And for packages you either have to do stable updates all the time, or
add an additional repository, or use unstable on a server. Whatever you
prefer.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 17:52:31 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:

 And for packages you either have to do stable updates all the time, or
 add an additional repository, or use unstable on a server. Whatever you
 prefer.
 
Not to mention debian mirrors don't have to run debian.

Cheers,
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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 04:05:59PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
 On 03/13/2011 05:53 PM, Hideki Yamane wrote:
  On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:20:21 +0100
  David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com wrote:
  Unfortunately many mirrors doesn't use the newest version of ftpsync [0]
  and therefore their two stage update of the mirror is flawed:
  
   I wonder why does anyone package it? If we can get is as a package,
   it's easier to update.
 
 git clone https://ftp-master.debian.org/git/archvsync.git
 
 Easy enough to keep updated.

The point is that every now and then somebody decides to rewrite
and as a mirror admin i need to find out how the current way will
work, the current configuration looks like and how to fit it
into the monitoring. Its a little annoying that every year somebody tries
to invent the wheel again ... 

What happened to anonftpsync anyway ...

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
 git clone https://ftp-master.debian.org/git/archvsync.git 
 Easy enough to keep updated.
 The point is that every now and then somebody decides to rewrite
 and as a mirror admin i need to find out how the current way will
 work, the current configuration looks like and how to fit it
 into the monitoring. Its a little annoying that every year somebody tries
 to invent the wheel again ... 

There havent been all that many every now and then rewrites.
AFAIK this is the first big one which phased out the old sh*t
anonftpsync. And then, this one is the one officially supported by
Debians mirroradm group... I don't believe there is a rewrite of this
coming and any big changes done since this exists have taking PAINS to
keep old setups of it working without needing changes from the admin
(unless you want to use a  new feature).

 What happened to anonftpsync anyway ...

That was basically broken sh*t and so it went away when ftpsync came...


And for those who want this as a package: Go and do it. Have fun. There
won't be any blocker from us, it is just that neither I nor
(appearantly) anyone else in the mirroradm group has seen any reason to
put our time into it. First, it is distributed on every Debian mirror in
project/ftpsync/, (besides the git repo you can use if you want) second
a package would be a lot of pain for small gain: Many Debian mirrors
don't even use Debian as there system. And then those that do use Debian
use stable usually (or even oldstable), meaning you have to put every
update inside there. Good luck, it's not something I want to do.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org wrote:

 don't even use Debian as there system. And then those that do use Debian
 use stable usually (or even oldstable), meaning you have to put every
 update inside there. Good luck, it's not something I want to do.

I would have thought it would just mean that the version in unstable
needs to be installable and usable on stable or able to be backported
and uploaded to stable-backports. I would hope that mirror admins know
how to use pinning for this.

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Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread Svante R Signell
 Sorry, but the problem persists, since a few days by now!

The problem seem to be continuing: apt-get update on any computer and 
distribution from ftp.se.debian.org is showing the Hash Sum error!

W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_contrib_source_Sources
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_experimental_main_source_Sources
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages
  Hash Sum mismatch

E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones 
used instead.


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Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread James Vega
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Svante R Signell s...@kth.se wrote:
 Sorry, but the problem persists, since a few days by now!

 The problem seem to be continuing: apt-get update on any computer and 
 distribution from ftp.se.debian.org is showing the Hash Sum error!

 W: Failed to fetch 
 bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources
   Hash Sum mismatch

The mirror isn't using the current version of the update script, as
described on the debian-mirrors list[0].  It should only be a transient
problem that occurs if you apt-get update while the mirror is in the
middle of a sync.  Once the mirror has finished the sync, you'll be able
to use it normally, but the real fix would be for the mirror to update
their script.

[0]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/2011/02/msg00055.html
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Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:05:37AM -0400, James Vega wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Svante R Signell s...@kth.se wrote:
  Sorry, but the problem persists, since a few days by now!
 
  The problem seem to be continuing: apt-get update on any computer and 
  distribution from ftp.se.debian.org is showing the Hash Sum error!
 
  W: Failed to fetch 
  bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources
    Hash Sum mismatch
 
 The mirror isn't using the current version of the update script, as
 described on the debian-mirrors list[0].  It should only be a transient
 problem that occurs if you apt-get update while the mirror is in the
 middle of a sync.  Once the mirror has finished the sync, you'll be able
 to use it normally, but the real fix would be for the mirror to update
 their script.
 
 [0]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/2011/02/msg00055.html

Seeing how many mirrors are affected, either the apt change should be
reverted or the list of mirrors should be updated to pinpoint those that
are known to work correctly ; or both.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-03-14, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote:
 Seeing how many mirrors are affected, either the apt change should be
 reverted or the list of mirrors should be updated to pinpoint those that
 are known to work correctly ; or both.

Or the InRelease could be dropped temporarily.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 14, James Vega james...@debian.org wrote:

 The mirror isn't using the current version of the update script, as
 described on the debian-mirrors list[0].  It should only be a transient
 problem that occurs if you apt-get update while the mirror is in the
 middle of a sync.  Once the mirror has finished the sync, you'll be able
 to use it normally, but the real fix would be for the mirror to update
 their script.
The problem is that this is reflected on the downstream mirrors.

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Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread Svante Signell
Same problem now also at {http,ftp}.us.debian.org?

W: Failed to fetch
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources
  Hash Sum mismatch

E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.



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Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote:

 Seeing how many mirrors are affected, either the apt change should be
 reverted or the list of mirrors should be updated to pinpoint those that
 are known to work correctly ; or both.

What about this: apt downloads both Release/Release.gpg and InRelease.
If InRelease is old then it should use Release/Release.gpg and warn
the user that their mirror is buggy and that they should contact the
mirror operator. Then on the Debian website we should have a way for
users to find out how to contact their mirror operator.

What was the reason for adding InRelease anyway?

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
* Paul Wise [Tue, Mar 15 2011, 08:58:47AM]:

 What was the reason for adding InRelease anyway?

I guess (repeating: *guess*) the main reason is that GPG signature needs
to be verified for the exact file contents. If you put them into two
files then you have a certain window where they are inconsistent. And
stupid HTTP proxies can be very helpful with keeping that shitty
temporary state persistent and with delivering it straight to the end
user.

So, inline signed files are basically a good idea. What is not so good:
that the new feature is poorly documented. It stayed below the radar for
many people for months/years.

Regards,
Eduard.

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Mirror problems?

2011-03-13 Thread Svante Signell
Hi,

when apt-updating from ftp.se.debian.org i get the following Hash Sum
mismatch failures:
(it does not happen when using ftp.us.debian.org in sources.list)

W: Failed to fetch
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_source_Sources
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages
  Hash Sum mismatch

E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.

Name  SizeLast Modified
Packages.bz2  6851 KB 12/03/11 14:04:00
Packages.diff 12/03/11 14:15:00
Packages.gz   8981 KB 12/03/11 14:04:00
Release   1 KB12/03/11 15:52:00


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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-13 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 01:32:21PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
 when apt-updating from ftp.se.debian.org i get the following Hash Sum
 mismatch failures:
 (it does not happen when using ftp.us.debian.org in sources.list)
 
 W: Failed to fetch
 bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_source_Sources
   Hash Sum mismatch
 
 W: Failed to fetch
 bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages
   Hash Sum mismatch
 
 E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
 ones used instead.

I had the same problem yesterday afternoon with ftp.it.debian.org for a 
couple of hours, but it works fine now.

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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-13 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 13:32, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
 when apt-updating from ftp.se.debian.org i get the following Hash Sum
 mismatch failures:
 (it does not happen when using ftp.us.debian.org in sources.list)

APT since version 0.8.11 uses the clearsigned InRelease files instead of
Release and its detached Release.gpg if possible.
The file was announced by the ftpmasters on Nov 15, 2009 -
I really thought it would be save to use it more than a year later…

Much to learn, you still have. says my master now and laughs.


Unfortunately many mirrors doesn't use the newest version of ftpsync [0]
and therefore their two stage update of the mirror is flawed:
The InRelease file is updated already in the first stage while all the
other indexes are updated in the second stage.

As the first stage can have an enormous size [1] there can be quiet a bit
of time until the mirror sync is finished in which the hashsums doesn't
match (new [In]Release file hashsum record vs. old Packages file).


So all in all the problem is temporary. You just have to wait for the mirror
update to be finished or simple switch to a not-yet/finished updating mirror
if you are really impatient - as long as the mirror hasn't switch to the
usage of the newest ftpsync tool of course…

btw: The documentation on [0] doesn't include the InRelease file yet.
Any pointers where to complain about that? d-mirror, d-www, d-…?


Best regards

The hashsum mismatcher previously (not) known as
David Kalnischkies

[0] http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#how
[1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/size-quarter.png


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Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-13 Thread Hideki Yamane
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:20:21 +0100
David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Unfortunately many mirrors doesn't use the newest version of ftpsync [0]
 and therefore their two stage update of the mirror is flawed:

 I wonder why does anyone package it? If we can get is as a package,
 it's easier to update.

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Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-13 Thread Svante Signell
Sorry, but the problem persists, since a few days by now!


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mirror problems with ftp.debian.org

1999-01-28 Thread Dale Scheetz
I had my mirror fail today with the following message:

package=source ftp.debian.org:/debian/dists/slink/main/source -
/mnt/c/4/debian/dists/slink/main/source
Cannot get remote directory listing because: 200 Type set to A.
Cannot get remote directory details (/debian/dists/slink/main/source)

The binary-i386, and binary-all parts work just fine. It is only when the
source section (package) runs that I get this error.

I can ftp in with mc and get dirctory listings just fine.

Anyone have any idea what the problem is?

Thanks,

Dwarf
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