Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
- Original Message - From: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Cc: live@lists.debian-unofficial.org; debian-edu@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Package Selection for Debian Live This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... Regards, Daniel I would add a package to manage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slingbox compatible free hardware or software for Linux. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Package Selection for Debian Live
Thx, I know how to build a live CD or a pendrive with what I want on it (almost), and I know some tweaks to squash down all things (I comme from embedded developpment and even if it's far away now, this is always a concern for me). I was just thinking about your discussion on what kind of LiveCD debian Live shoud be, and as Debian is some sort of Mother for a lot of distrib, I just suggested that Debian LIVE could be the same for debian based LiveCD (a work on genericization of liveCD building under debian). But it is just a philosophical suggestion, I don't even know how far is Debian Live devel. (excuse me for my poor english if I didn't make it clear) Matt. -Message d'origine- De : John Goerzen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 20 juillet 2006 15:38 À : Mathieu JANIN Cc : Debian Development Objet : Re: Package Selection for Debian Live On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 12:01:30PM +0200, Mathieu JANIN wrote: Hi folks, i could seem idiot, but wouldn't it be nice to have a minimalistic bootstrap CD with everything that is needed to compose your own liveCD (perharps an enhanced version of DFSbuild, with cleaning/compressing feature like localepurge and so ), and only a minimalistic set of what is needed for basic forensic. You could probably do that with dfsbuild and a little bit of scrubbing. You probably just would want to do things like rm -r /usr/share/doc /usr/share/man on the generated image. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Hi folks, i could seem idiot, but wouldn't it be nice to have a minimalistic bootstrap CD with everything that is needed to compose your own liveCD (perharps an enhanced version of DFSbuild, with cleaning/compressing feature like localepurge and so ), and only a minimalistic set of what is needed for basic forensic. With some precomposed packet-lists included to build rapidly the second stage iso for people in a hurry. Something that could be burnt on a business card or a pendrive ? Matt. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 12:01:30PM +0200, Mathieu JANIN wrote: Hi folks, i could seem idiot, but wouldn't it be nice to have a minimalistic bootstrap CD with everything that is needed to compose your own liveCD (perharps an enhanced version of DFSbuild, with cleaning/compressing feature like localepurge and so ), and only a minimalistic set of what is needed for basic forensic. You could probably do that with dfsbuild and a little bit of scrubbing. You probably just would want to do things like rm -r /usr/share/doc /usr/share/man on the generated image. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
- Original Message - From: John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Cc: live@lists.debian-unofficial.org; debian-edu@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Package Selection for Debian Live On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:51:18PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). And Window managers... Regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:51:18PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Please consider making the small one suitable as a generic backup/rescue/recovery disk. ie include some lower priority tools such as ntfsprogs, xfsprogs, parted, partimage and dar. Andrew V. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On Thursday 06 July 2006 14:24, Andrew Vaughan wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:51:18PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Please consider making the small one suitable as a generic backup/rescue/recovery disk. ie include some lower priority tools such as ntfsprogs, xfsprogs, parted, partimage and dar. Since it is hard to predict people's definition for backup/rescue/recovery/router/shuttle_launcher/whatever disk, you can assemble your own custom CD/DVD images as you see fit by dfsbuild on i386, amd64, alpha, and powerpc. The default cfg tends to be a rescue-orientated one and it already saved my day several times. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 people.fccf.net/danchev/key pgp.mit.edu fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Just checking: are you already aware of Debian From Scratch (DFS), which already does this? http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ At nearly 1/2 gigabyte you can hardly call DFS a recovery cd... Ottavio Caruso -- No individual replies, please! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 08:06:56AM -0700, Ottavio Caruso wrote: Just checking: are you already aware of Debian From Scratch (DFS), which already does this? http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ At nearly 1/2 gigabyte you can hardly call DFS a recovery cd... Why not? But also, remember that you can build your own images with dfsbuild, that include the exact set of packages you want. The idea with my DFS image is that you have it burned in advance, and that it has all the tools you need to recover. And I really try to include *all* the tools. For example, with the live DFS CD environment, you can: * Use cdebootstrap to install a new sarge or etch environment from the on-CD copy of .debs for the base system * Reinstall your boot loader * Compile a kernel (using solely the tools on the CD, plus a ramdisk or filesystem where you can store the build tree) * Complete all that is necessary for a full manual from-scratch Debian install * Work with XFS, ext2, ext3, reiser, JFS, reiser4, fat, etc. -- including filesystem create and repair utilities * ssh to and from the recovery environment * Read manpages (including development manpages) * View webpages, use FTP, use network diagnostic utilities, bring up wifi * Compile/run C, Perl, Python, OCaml, Haskell, and Java programs * Work with zip, zoo, arj, tar, tar.gz, tar.bz2, etc. files * Use darcs, git, cvs, subversion, or bzr to pull down code * Set up a serial connection, including the option to use PPP * Restore/use/make tar, amanda, afbackup, dump (and soon bacula) backups * Burn CDs and DVDs, make ISO filesystems * Repair your Asterisk installation * Chroot to your system and be able to run most programs as-is I am planning to integrate Xen and Bacula into the next revision of the DFS image as well. So, it still fits easily on one CD-R, so I don't see what the problem is. I believe I have left off fluff, such as X, from this CD. And very little starts by default. But I'm happy to take change suggestions. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Well, I think, we first should think about, what aim this CD or DVD should be. Which people we want to reach ? In the time, where are so many other live-cds, like Knoppix, kanotix, Grml, DSL and so on, it is very difficult to create an all-in-wonder--stuff. So my thougts are these: People, who like KDE and GNOME want to have a fully graphic environment and a an easy system. So pack on it all the stuff, which is useful for people and what has graphical tools i.e. synaptics, openoffice, browsers and all the other graphical stuff, whithout those people cannot work. The other profile are people, who like the shell, and who are well known with it. So put all the important things, which make life easier upon this CD. X should be packed on it, too, and a small wm (I suggest fluxbox or XFCE) Then, there are the professionels, they just need all the tools. For these people there should be a multiboot-CD. I think of all the tools, they are in i.e. GRML. X should be there natuarally as some tools are really better to use in X. QTParted is such a tool. But thats not all. Thjese tools should fit about 250MB at all, so it would be nice to have the same tools for the most used architectures on this CD or DVD, too (AMD32, AMD64, PPC, Sparc etc.) I suppose, there will be other groups of people, but for those, the other live cds on the market should be good enough. Ah, I will not forget: Please, no Installer on these CDs !!! IMO people shall do a real installation, not a rsync like Knoppix does. Reason is: People, who make a real installation will understand their system, and those people will bring the Debian forward. Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Well, I think, we first should think about, what aim this CD or DVD should be. Which people we want to reach ? In the time, where are so many other live-cds, like Knoppix, kanotix, Grml, DSL and so on, it is very difficult to create an all-in-wonder--stuff. So my thougts are these: People, who like KDE and GNOME want to have a fully graphic environment and a an easy system. So pack on it all the stuff, which is useful for people and what has graphical tools i.e. synaptics, openoffice, browsers and all the other graphical stuff, whithout those people cannot work. The other profile are people, who like the shell, and who are well known with it. So put all the important things, which make life easier upon this CD. X should be packed on it, too, and a small wm (I suggest fluxbox or XFCE) Then, there are the professionels, they just need all the tools. For these people there should be a multiboot-CD. I think of all the tools, they are in i.e. GRML. X should be there natuarally as some tools are really better to use in X. QTParted is such a tool. But thats not all. Thjese tools should fit about 250MB at all, so it would be nice to have the same tools for the most used architectures on this CD or DVD, too (AMD32, AMD64, PPC, Sparc etc.) I suppose, there will be other groups of people, but for those, the other live cds on the market should be good enough. Ah, I will not forget: Please, no Installer on these CDs !!! IMO people shall do a real installation, not a rsync like Knoppix does. Reason is: People, who make a real installation will understand their system, and those people will bring the Debian forward. Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:51:18PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... Just checking: are you already aware of Debian From Scratch (DFS), which already does this? http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 08:41:26PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: John Goerzen wrote: Just checking: are you already aware of Debian From Scratch (DFS), which already does this? http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ yep. How do you expect your project to be different? I'm just interested in avoiding duplicate effort if possible. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 08:58:41PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: John Goerzen wrote: How do you expect your project to be different? I'm just interested in avoiding duplicate effort if possible. wrt/ the package selection/lists, we're heading for a desktop one (more or less what knoppix is; but with both gnome and kde on it), and some smaller, different ones e.g. for sysadmins (more or less like grml). However, as I'm aware of your package list for DFS, I'm sure that there will be not much doubled efforts. I'm just doing some ordering and selection and I'll come up again with congrete suggestions in a few days.. Well, the thing about DFS is that dfsbuild is very flexible as far as package selection goes -- it has a cfg file where you list your preferred mirror and the debs you want to include. All those debs, plus their deps, will be included on the generated ISO. I've found it much easier to customize than Knoppix. Not trying to force you into any one solution or anything, but I'd hate for you to have to go to the effort to re-engineer a live CD build system if what's out there already would work for you. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
John Goerzen wrote: Just checking: are you already aware of Debian From Scratch (DFS), which already does this? http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ yep. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
John Goerzen wrote: How do you expect your project to be different? I'm just interested in avoiding duplicate effort if possible. wrt/ the package selection/lists, we're heading for a desktop one (more or less what knoppix is; but with both gnome and kde on it), and some smaller, different ones e.g. for sysadmins (more or less like grml). However, as I'm aware of your package list for DFS, I'm sure that there will be not much doubled efforts. I'm just doing some ordering and selection and I'll come up again with congrete suggestions in a few days.. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
John Goerzen wrote: Not trying to force you into any one solution or anything, but I'd hate for you to have to go to the effort to re-engineer a live CD build system if what's out there already would work for you. Sure.. I appreciate much that you share your experiences, I and Marco will definitely look at it, thanks for that. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... Regards, Daniel It might be helpfull if you could post a link to the image and source for people to try it out. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
[Daniel Baumann] I'm open for your suggestions... It would be great if the packages used by Debian Edu would be included on the live CD. Our latest package lists are available from URL:http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debian-edu/trunk/src/debian-edu/tasks/?rev=0sc=0 I guess the standalone and desktop-kde tasks are the most relevant for your live CD, thought I know we have discussed having live CDs for thin client servers to allow them to be completely without local state. Friendly, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Alle 09:48, sabato 3 giugno 2006, Goswin von Brederlow ha scritto: It might be helpfull if you could post a link to the image and source for people to try it out. http://live.debian.net/-Main Project Site http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/- Isos to download and try out svn co svn://live.debian.net/- Sources (I do not follow debian-devel and debian-edu) -- ESC:wq pgp20Xpb2cA9a.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... why not to use moinmoin + seeds ? -- http://dsslive.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Hi, On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:51:18PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... The practically essential packages are CJK-input method tools for people who want to use languages such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean,... (Possibly also for some people who want to switch between indic and other interesting languages) Without it, we can not type in text in our languages. scim tool chain or uim tool chain is most modern and they should work out of box, especially when used with im-switch. gdm (maybe other dm too) has nice locale selection mechanism. I also hope you to use UTF-8 and have enough fonts to display all the weired languages like ours. Just my 2 cents. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nico Golde wrote: Would be useful if you could provide the package lists for the two images so we can see whats already included and send you patches. The small one contains the standard system only, means, packages which have Priority: standard and nothing more. That's about 80MB (the image size). The other ones do contains: kde: kde kdm x-window-system-core gnome: gnome-desktop-environment gdm-themes gnome-cups-manager gnome-themes-extras rhythmbox synaptic gnome-screensaver gdm x-window-system-core xfce: xfce4 gdm x-window-system-core Hi Daniel, I would like to suggest that you add tasks in tasksel using the current ones as a start point (eg: gnome-desktop), writing fo example: live-gnome-desktop. I've no idea how you're building the images, could you explain to us ? Btw, use tasksel to extract and install the packages there sounds sane. I'm CCing joeyh, because that would be good read what's his opinion about this. regards, -- stratus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 21:51 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). I would like to see mono + mono apps (banshee, beagle, f-spot, blam, monodevelop, etc) on the gnome version. -- Regards, Mirco 'meebey' Bauer PGP-Key: http://keyserver.noreply.org/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xEEF946C8 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GIT d s-:+ a-- C++ UL$ P L++$+++$ E- W+++$ N o? K- w++! O M- V? PS PE+ Y- PGP++ t 5+ X++ R tv+ b+ DI? D+ G++ e h! r-++ y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gnome: gnome-desktop-environment gdm-themes gnome-cups-manager gnome-themes-extras rhythmbox synaptic gnome-screensaver gdm x-window-system-core I would like: gnome-fifth-toe firefox xchat gnome-devel meld And some (less important to me) suggestions: dia gkrellm xvncviewer darcs If there's a wiki-page or similar thing with the complete list of packages (and the amount of free-space), that would be interesting to have in order to make more suggestions. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Margarita Manterola wrote: If there's a wiki-page or similar thing with the complete list of packages (and the amount of free-space), that would be interesting to have in order to make more suggestions. will do that, i first thought it would be a good idea to put it into a wiki. i'll prepare a more or less complete list in a few days, sorted by section or something similar, and then ask for comments again. nevertheless, thanks for your answer -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
- Original Message - From: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Cc: live@lists.debian-unofficial.org; debian-edu@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Package Selection for Debian Live [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). There is no XFCE version (see http://live.debian.net/wiki/Download ). Previously there was a XFCE version. Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. I would create a 50 Mb version (lightweight version), to be installed in USB keydrives (in a similar way to Damn Small Linux). The user could select between different window managers. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... The suggested window manager selector in a X environment. Regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pedro Macanas wrote: There is no XFCE version (see http://live.debian.net/wiki/Download ). Previously there was a XFCE version. There will be one as soon as Xfce is installable in sid again. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Hi, * Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-30 22:19]: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... Would be useful if you could provide the package lists for the two images so we can see whats already included and send you patches. Regards Nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org Forget about that mouse with 3/4/5 buttons - gimme a keyboard with 103/104/105 keys! pgpd6unw4hlMs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Is it posible to have a minimum size image with a WM that can stay below 125MB? This would be a great size for USB versions and versions running under Qemu or VMWare. Just a thought. desNotes On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ ___ live mailing list live@lists.debian-unofficial.org http://lists.debian-unofficial.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/live -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... What I'd need on a Live CD-ROM: * rescue tools: - parted - fdisk - mkfs.* - grub - lvm management tools * 386 and amd64 kernels on same cdrom (so that I can chroot into pure64 installations) * text editor: my favourites: vim, jed. (please no flames on this) * compiler with at least libc-dev, libstdc++-dev * it should be possible to debootstrap from CD * networking: dhcp, rp-pppoe , (nfs,) * mc would be nice to have * if it fits a minimalistic xorg with fluxbox, and gs/ghostview . this is just a quick list I've come up with, I'm sure there is plenty more that would be needed. of course on the dvd I'd like to see openoffice. Which packages of the above are currently on the live CD? Regards, Edwin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Package Selection for Debian Live
[ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gnome, kde, xfce). Now, we would like to create a decent package selection which reflects, as well as possible, the users' desires. There should be one package selection for a 700MB CD-ROM, and one for a 4.5GB DVD-ROM. With the current squashfs compression, the actual filesystem size is about 3 times bigger than the packed one. This means that there can be quite a few packages on it :) I'm open for your suggestions... Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Nico Golde wrote: Would be useful if you could provide the package lists for the two images so we can see whats already included and send you patches. The small one contains the standard system only, means, packages which have Priority: standard and nothing more. That's about 80MB (the image size). The other ones do contains: kde: kde kdm x-window-system-core gnome: gnome-desktop-environment gdm-themes gnome-cups-manager gnome-themes-extras rhythmbox synaptic gnome-screensaver gdm x-window-system-core xfce: xfce4 gdm x-window-system-core Regards Nico -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Michael Fisher wrote: Is it posible to have a minimum size image with a WM that can stay below 125MB? This would be a great size for USB versions and versions running under Qemu or VMWare. Just a thought. Yes, but those mini-images are separate thing we do anyway (or provide an easy possiblity to create them yourself). Now we would like to fill a 700MB CD resp. a 4.5GB DVD with all the packages people may would like to see on it. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Package Selection for Debian Live
Eric Cooper wrote: I suggest that you provide the same packages that Knoppix does (as long as they're free), since Knoppix has been out there with a real user community for several years now. No need to reinvent the wheel. True, but knoppix is i386/amd64 only. Debian Live works on i386/amd64 too, but at least on sparc and powerpc too. So I hope to get feedback from all non-intel/non-amd users. Currently, the images are not autobuilded for that archs. The buildds used for powerpc and sparc in Debian are either machines and/or configurations, which do not support building packages for sparc64 resp. powerpc64 (it does work here on my local machines, which are capable of building the 64 bit packages). -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
