Re: Please participate in popularity-contest
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 03:12:10PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Nothing garanties that cron jobs are run at the right time. Running it a bit later (whenever you boot) is just like it being delayed due to excess load. If there are things that shouldn't be run at the wrong time we should find them and protect them in the job itself. Running a job a little later is not a problem. Running a job during work hours when it was scheduled to run during the night _is_ a problem since such jobs can (and usually do) hog both memory and I/O bandwidth, making interactive work difficult. In such cases not running the job for a day or two is way better than running it at a time it was not meant to run; not because it causes damage but because it causes real user inconvenience. Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Graham Wilson wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 03:12:10PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: There might eb cases where it harms but those should be the minority. Seems to make sense. Are there any cases where having anacron installed by default would mess something up? I would not like to have it on 7/24 servers. There could be problems after longer power outages in combination with weak scripts (which use dates as file names). But this should be the minority. And such logic will even have problems without anacron. Anacron provides protection against running cron jobs a second time due to a reboot or power outage. The first task in cron.(daily|weekly|monthly) runs anacron -u cron.(daily|weekly|monthly). This updates anacron's last run timestamp with the current date. When anacron next runs at boot, it will only run the tasks using anacron if a day, week or month have elapsed since the last timestamp was written. Phil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 22:00 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Ron Johnson] Soon after you put it in Experimental, installed it, for that very reason. I got a parse error on this one. I suspect you are unaware that the HTTP option is available in unstable, version 1.30. Yes. But I installed it back when it entered Exprimental. Maybe a post to d-u would spread the word. Yes, that would be nice. But I leave that to someone reading that list. :) I think I can do that. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. In 1929, when the Great Depresion hit, while all the other tabulating companies retrenched, Thomas Watson Sr. insisted that IBM's factories stay open and RD spending increase. Thus, in 1935 when FDR signed the Social Security Act, and businesses and gov't had a huge need for tabulating/sorting machines, IBM was in position to dominate the industry, and did so for the next 45 years. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Please participate in popularity-contest
[Erik Schanze] Perhaps more will participate if you zip the report, to reduce traffic. It's requested in bug 149425 for years. [Michelle Konzack] FullACK. - Most of my friends in Turkey and arabic counties too. The HTTP upload is sending a gzip-ed version. I'm working on a version compressing the emails as well, but the receiving end is yet to be written. If you have little bandwith, use HTTP for now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Ron Johnson] Soon after you put it in Experimental, installed it, for that very reason. I got a parse error on this one. I suspect you are unaware that the HTTP option is available in unstable, version 1.30. Maybe a post to d-u would spread the word. Yes, that would be nice. But I leave that to someone reading that list. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am 2005-07-27 21:59:05, schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: The HTTP upload is sending a gzip-ed version. I'm working on a version compressing the emails as well, but the receiving end is yet to be written. If you have little bandwith, use HTTP for now. I think, my own four ADSL-Lines 8M/512k are enough, but some of my clients have only partial E1 or small ADSL, where the downsteam is 1 MBit and the upstream 128kBit My friends in not western contries using V.34/90 and will very happy if it works now compressed. Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Please participate in popularity-contest
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:50:34 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pascal Hakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The main 'disadvantage' of anacron, is that it's set up by default to
only run /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. It won't take care of running
normal cron jobs that would have been scheduled to run otherwise, and
didn't run because the computer wasn't on.
Will you report a bug or shall I?
How can anacron decide whether it is ok to run a hourly cron job once
or n times, or whether a cron job is only meaningful if it is run at
the right time and does more harm being run at the wrong time than
being missed altogether?
Greetings
Marc
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Re: Please participate in popularity-contest
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Marc Haber wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:50:34 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pascal Hakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The main 'disadvantage' of anacron, is that it's set up by default to
only run /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. It won't take care of running
normal cron jobs that would have been scheduled to run otherwise, and
didn't run because the computer wasn't on.
Will you report a bug or shall I?
How can anacron decide whether it is ok to run a hourly cron job once
or n times, or whether a cron job is only meaningful if it is run at
the right time and does more harm being run at the wrong time than
being missed altogether?
fcron can, but it does not have enough functionality to *replace* cron yet.
I just ask that people don't bother filing a bug, and code it and send me
(and upstream) a patch, instead.
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Re: Please participate in popularity-contest
On 7/26/05, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:50:34 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pascal Hakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The main 'disadvantage' of anacron, is that it's set up by default to
only run /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. It won't take care of running
normal cron jobs that would have been scheduled to run otherwise, and
didn't run because the computer wasn't on.
Will you report a bug or shall I?
How can anacron decide whether it is ok to run a hourly cron job once
or n times, or whether a cron job is only meaningful if it is run at
the right time and does more harm being run at the wrong time than
being missed altogether?
Isn't it the responsibility of the job itself to check for that (if it
does more harm than good)?
Timing guarantees are rarely given.
Re: Please participate in popularity-contest
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:50:34 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pascal Hakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The main 'disadvantage' of anacron, is that it's set up by default to
only run /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. It won't take care of running
normal cron jobs that would have been scheduled to run otherwise, and
didn't run because the computer wasn't on.
Will you report a bug or shall I?
How can anacron decide whether it is ok to run a hourly cron job once
or n times, or whether a cron job is only meaningful if it is run at
the right time and does more harm being run at the wrong time than
being missed altogether?
Greetings
Marc
A missed cron job should never be run multiple times. If that is realy
needed then the job itself should make sure it is run often enough. I
doubt anything will need that or even get usefull results from running
multiple times. I certainly wouldn't want my mrtg, runs every 5
minutes, to be run 1000 times after boot.
Nothing garanties that cron jobs are run at the right time. Running
it a bit later (whenever you boot) is just like it being delayed due
to excess load. If there are things that shouldn't be run at the wrong
time we should find them and protect them in the job itself.
I think overall it serves the users more to default to running missed
cronjobs on boot than not. If that causes you problems you can always
purge anarcron or fcron or protect the jobs itself. There might eb
cases where it harms but those should be the minority.
MfG
Goswin
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Bernd Eckenfels wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Well, you need to remember the 620 reports without any arch info. 95% of them are probalby running i386 as well. :) How can this happen, anyway? PErhaps it would be good to add a option where one can send a nickname of the owner and look up the reports by it? IIRC the version of popularity-contest in woody didn't report the architecture, so those 620 machines probably haven't updated to sarge yet. regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 03:12:10PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I think overall it serves the users more to default to running missed cronjobs on boot than not. If that causes you problems you can always purge anarcron or fcron or protect the jobs itself. There might eb cases where it harms but those should be the minority. Seems to make sense. Are there any cases where having anacron installed by default would mess something up? -- gram -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Graham Wilson wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 03:12:10PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: There might eb cases where it harms but those should be the minority. Seems to make sense. Are there any cases where having anacron installed by default would mess something up? I would not like to have it on 7/24 servers. There could be problems after longer power outages in combination with weak scripts (which use dates as file names). But this should be the minority. And such logic will even have problems without anacron. Helmut Wollmersdorfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Helmut Wollmersdorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Graham Wilson wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 03:12:10PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: There might eb cases where it harms but those should be the minority. Seems to make sense. Are there any cases where having anacron installed by default would mess something up? I would not like to have it on 7/24 servers. There could be problems after longer power outages in combination with weak scripts (which use dates as file names). But this should be the minority. And such logic will even have problems without anacron. Helmut Wollmersdorfer How will that be a problem? They will run once at (shortly after) bootup and end up with a slightly wrong date in the filename. If you only include the week in the name a simple if [ -e log.$WEEK ]; then exit 1; fi will protect against running twice in one week. If overwriting the log on the next scheduled run is a problem use that. Certainly no debian package should be vulnerable to this. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Helmut Wollmersdorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would not like to have it on 7/24 servers. There could be problems after longer power outages in combination with weak scripts (which use dates as file names). But this should be the minority. And such logic will even have problems without anacron. How will that be a problem? They will run once at (shortly after) bootup and end up with a slightly wrong date in the filename. A real example: A large organisation names the daily logs (each 1-2 GB) of some servers by date. They exactly contain records from 0:00 to 24:00. After transfer to a dedicated server a cron job uses 'date --date=yesterday' and 'find' to start an analyzing script. anacron cannot solve this, but it will not damage something (just result in some error messages, and/or unnecessary CPU hours in worst case). To make this anacron-proof would need complex bookkeeping and exception handling. Helmut Wollmersdorfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:50:34 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pascal Hakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The main 'disadvantage' of anacron, is that it's set up by default to
only run /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. It won't take care of running
normal cron jobs that would have been scheduled to run otherwise, and
didn't run because the computer wasn't on.
Will you report a bug or shall I?
Note that by running only cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}, anacron is
not forced to parse crontabs, worry about permissions, change users,
etc. etc. etc. All it has to do is run scripts.It's not a bug, it's a
significant design choice.
Perhaps popcon should create an @boot job as well as daily. The @boot
job could check have I run yet today, and then DTRT.
Steve
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Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Or because many machines are not turned on that early in the morning. Hopefully the HTTP option will increase the participation count. Thx for the message. I now upgraded to 1.30 and checked, if installed on all my machines. You should change the description | When you install this package, it sets up a cron job that will | anonymously e-mail the Debian developers ^^ Helmut Wollmersdorfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Helmut Wollmersdorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Or because many machines are not turned on that early in the morning. apt-get install anacron MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Helmut Wollmersdorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Or because many machines are not turned on that early in the morning. apt-get install anacron or aptitude install fcron, for that matter. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 7/25/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Or because many machines are not turned on that early in the morning. apt-get install anacron Heh, this doesn't solve the problem that most desktop systems aren't turned on at that time, because most desktop users won't read this mail, and therefore won't install anacron. A better solution (from my point of view, of course), would be to change the popcon crontab's entry, so that it runs at a time when most computers are turned on (this is difficult to guess, of course, but maybe 15:00 ?). After all, it's not a cpu-intensive, or other resource-intensive task, and can run at any other moment. -- Besos, Marga
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 10:53:46AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: On 7/25/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Or because many machines are not turned on that early in the morning. apt-get install anacron Heh, this doesn't solve the problem that most desktop systems aren't turned on at that time, because most desktop users won't read this mail, and therefore won't install anacron. A better solution (from my point of view, of course), would be to change the popcon crontab's entry, so that it runs at a time when most computers are turned on (this is difficult to guess, of course, but maybe 15:00 ?). After all, it's not a cpu-intensive, or other resource-intensive task, and can run at any other moment. 'lo, Running anacron (or fcron or whatever) will make sure you run all of cron.daily however. This is more useful than just running popcon. If your computer is turned off, you'll be missing things like log rotation and your locate database, as well as all your man pages stuff. Cheers, Pasc -- Pascal Hakim 0403 411 672 Do Not Bend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Margarita Manterola [Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:53:46 -0300]: Heh, this doesn't solve the problem that most desktop systems aren't turned on at that time, because most desktop users won't read this mail, and therefore won't install anacron. A better solution (from my point of view, of course), would be to change the popcon crontab's entry, so that it runs at a time when most computers are turned on (this is difficult to guess, of course, but maybe 15:00 ?). After all, it's not a cpu-intensive, or other resource-intensive task, and can run at any other moment. Or even better, make sure d-i installs anacron for desktop systems. That could be the case already, I'm not sure. CC'ing debian-boot to hear something from them. -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 7/25/05, Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or even better, make sure d-i installs anacron for desktop systems. What's the disadvantage of anacron compared to cron (or: Why not always install it instead of cron)? That could be the case already, I'm not sure. CC'ing debian-boot to hear something from them.
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 04:43:32PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On 7/25/05, Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or even better, make sure d-i installs anacron for desktop systems.
What's the disadvantage of anacron compared to cron (or: Why not
always install it instead of cron)?
Anacron isn't actually a daemon. It's run by cron once a day, and on
startup/apm-resume.
The main 'disadvantage' of anacron, is that it's set up by default to
only run /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. It won't take care of running
normal cron jobs that would have been scheduled to run otherwise, and
didn't run because the computer wasn't on.
Cheers,
Pasc (with his I'm the anacron maintainer hat on)
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On 7/25/05, Pascal Hakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 04:43:32PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On 7/25/05, Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or even better, make sure d-i installs anacron for desktop systems.
What's the disadvantage of anacron compared to cron (or: Why not
always install it instead of cron)?
Anacron isn't actually a daemon. It's run by cron once a day, and on
startup/apm-resume.
The main 'disadvantage' of anacron, is that it's set up by default to
only run /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. It won't take care of running
normal cron jobs that would have been scheduled to run otherwise, and
didn't run because the computer wasn't on.
But cron doesn't do that either (when the system is off), so compared
to cron that's no disadvantage.
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Adeodato Simó wrote: Or even better, make sure d-i installs anacron for desktop systems. That could be the case already, I'm not sure. CC'ing debian-boot to hear something from them. It doesn't do so currently. It does for laptops though, so not too big a leap I suppose. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Pascal Hakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 04:43:32PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On 7/25/05, Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or even better, make sure d-i installs anacron for desktop systems.
What's the disadvantage of anacron compared to cron (or: Why not
always install it instead of cron)?
Anacron isn't actually a daemon. It's run by cron once a day, and on
startup/apm-resume.
The main 'disadvantage' of anacron, is that it's set up by default to
only run /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}. It won't take care of running
normal cron jobs that would have been scheduled to run otherwise, and
didn't run because the computer wasn't on.
Cheers,
Pasc (with his I'm the anacron maintainer hat on)
Will you report a bug or shall I?
MfG
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Am 2005-07-24 01:56:24, schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: At the moment, this is the relative ordering of architectures reporting to popularity-contest. I would love to see more machines reporting in. 1 0.02% m68k 1 0.02% hurd-i386 1 0.02% ppc64 2 0.03% kfreebsd-i386 3 0.05% mipsel 4 0.07% arm 4 0.07% s390 8 0.13% mips 16 0.27% ia64 24 0.40% hppa 33 0.56% alpha 72 1.21% sparc 98 1.65% powerpc 279 4.69% amd64 5398 90.81% i386 Are there really only 5398 machines in i386 ? I cant belive it... I have already 13 i386 machines with popcon and now I will install it on my Macintosh IIvx, my SPARCstation 10, my iMac and my new Digital Alpha 64/166 (bought for some days on eBay) And on most Desktop PC's I have installed at my Clients, popcon is running. Maybe around 150 PC's in Strasbourg. 5944 100.00% total (ignored 620 without arch info) New in version 1.30 is support for reporting using HTTP POST, to make it possible for machines without working MTA to participate as well. Cool, this will be better, because I have to made hacks to get the messages out of some of my systems which are in a protected erea. Friendly, Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
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[Michelle Konzack] Are there really only 5398 machines in i386 ? Well, you need to remember the 620 reports without any arch info. 95% of them are probalby running i386 as well. :) I cant belive it... I have already 13 i386 machines with popcon and now I will install it on my Macintosh IIvx, my SPARCstation 10, my iMac and my new Digital Alpha 64/166 (bought for some days on eBay) And on most Desktop PC's I have installed at my Clients, popcon is running. Maybe around 150 PC's in Strasbourg. Great. Please keep up the good work, and try to get more people to participate as well. :) Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Hopefully the HTTP option will increase the participation count. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am 2005-07-24 14:25:11, schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: Great. Please keep up the good work, and try to get more people to participate as well. :) I try to encourage and convince my clients to install it. :-) Some have concerns about security... Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Hopefully the HTTP option will increase the participation count. For my own Computers I have added an internal E-Mail Address, to know, when it was send... :-) I hope it will increase. Greetings and nice Sunday Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
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Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Hopefully the HTTP option will increase the participation count. it already did, at least by one ;-) The HTTP option is really a great improvement, especially for desktop users. Greetings, Andreas -- Andreas Fester mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://littletux.homelinux.org ICQ: 326674288 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Petter, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please help the install team and others get a better view on the use of packages in Debian. To do this, install the popularity-contest package and say yes to participate. Perhaps more will participate if you zip the report, to reduce traffic. It's requested in bug 149425 for years. At least for modem users popcon traffic is significant. And yes, I have only a low bandwidth modem line and run popcon, but others don't do so. Kindly regards, Erik -- www.ErikSchanze.de * Bitte keine HTML-E-Mails! No HTML mails, please! Limit: 100 kB * * Linux-Info-Tag in Dresden, am 29. Oktober 2005 * Info: http://www.linux-info-tag.de * pgpAISbm2qojw.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Am 2005-07-24 23:08:00, schrieb Erik Schanze: Hi Petter, Perhaps more will participate if you zip the report, to reduce traffic. It's requested in bug 149425 for years. At least for modem users popcon traffic is significant. And yes, I have only a low bandwidth modem line and run popcon, but others don't do so. FullACK. - Most of my friends in Turkey and arabic counties too. Kindly regards, Erik Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Please participate in popularity-contest
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Well, you need to remember the 620 reports without any arch info. 95% of them are probalby running i386 as well. :) How can this happen, anyway? PErhaps it would be good to add a option where one can send a nickname of the owner and look up the reports by it? Greetings Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please participate in popularity-contest
On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 14:25 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Michelle Konzack] Are there really only 5398 machines in i386 ? [snip] Perhaps some of the reports got lost in the mail? Hopefully the HTTP option will increase the participation count. Soon after you put it in Experimental, installed it, for that very reason. Maybe a post to d-u would spread the word. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. Ronald Reagan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Please participate in popularity-contest
Please help the install team and others get a better view on the use of packages in Debian. To do this, install the popularity-contest package and say yes to participate. The results are updated daily on URL:http://popcon.debian.org/, and the information is used to make the Debian CDs, to give developers an idea of the use of their packages, and the project an idea on the use of the different architectures. At the moment, this is the relative ordering of architectures reporting to popularity-contest. I would love to see more machines reporting in. 1 0.02% m68k 1 0.02% hurd-i386 1 0.02% ppc64 2 0.03% kfreebsd-i386 3 0.05% mipsel 4 0.07% arm 4 0.07% s390 8 0.13% mips 16 0.27% ia64 24 0.40% hppa 33 0.56% alpha 72 1.21% sparc 98 1.65% powerpc 279 4.69% amd64 5398 90.81% i386 5944 100.00% total (ignored 620 without arch info) New in version 1.30 is support for reporting using HTTP POST, to make it possible for machines without working MTA to participate as well. Please direct any questions to popcon-developers at lists.alioth.debian.org. Friendly, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
