Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth
]] Ian Jackson | I think the answer is obviously the former. Someone who pushes to a | repo already needs to know about it, set up keys, etc. A visitor who | just wants to download may know nothing and just guess urls. They're more likely to use their favourite search engine or click on a link, I think. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y61nq0va@qurzaw.varnish-software.com
Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth
Bernd Zeimetz writes (Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth): On 05/27/2011 02:51 PM, Bernhard R. Link wrote: That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes. Would you expect to be able to push to git.debian.org? Yes. It is easy to remember and personally I fail to understand why it should not be possible to find a sane way to make it available. The question is, if the alioth admins find it difficult, which is more important: anonymous pull and/or gitweb from git.debian.org, or ssh push to git.debian.org ? I think the answer is obviously the former. Someone who pushes to a repo already needs to know about it, set up keys, etc. A visitor who just wants to download may know nothing and just guess urls. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/19936.64824.340014.337...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth
]] Bernhard R. Link | - a host offering git:// protocoll | - a host offering public access to git repositories over http:// | - a host offering a web view of git repositories. | | With the new alioth setup all those three are the same host as | far as I do understand it, to it is utterly unintuitive to have | none of those functions under the name git.debian.org but instead | the host storing the data and offering ssh access. [1] git.d.o does offer git://. It also does redirect to the right host for pulling via HTTP and viewing repositories when accessed via HTTP. | With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth | and understanding that after such a big transition it can be | annoying to have to change things again I really want to urge | you to change that again. That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877h9co5m9@qurzaw.varnish-software.com
Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:27:42AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Bernhard R. Link | With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth | and understanding that after such a big transition it can be | annoying to have to change things again I really want to urge | you to change that again. That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes. Note thet gitweb currently offers git.d.o, e.g., git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/users/philipp/bayesian-toolbox Regards, -- Agustin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110527104935.ga15...@agmartin.aq.upm.es
Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth
* Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no [110527 11:28]: | With the new alioth setup all those three are the same host as | far as I do understand it, to it is utterly unintuitive to have | none of those functions under the name git.debian.org but instead | the host storing the data and offering ssh access. [1] git.d.o does offer git://. It also does redirect to the right host for pulling via HTTP and viewing repositories when accessed via HTTP. Is that supposed to stay that way or will parts of that get lost at some day? (And it would be nice to have git.debian.org/ show gitweb directly again (RedirectMatch /$ ...)). That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes. Would you expect to be able to push to git.debian.org? I personally would expect that not much more than expecting to have an package upload queue on ftp.debian.org. (And am actually quite suprised that from the many .git/config files in my home directory one actually has a url = git+ssh://brl...@git.debian.org... in it and not the usual url = brl...@alioth.debian.org:...) Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110527125125.ga10...@pcpool00.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de
Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth
]] Agustin Martin | On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:27:42AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | ]] Bernhard R. Link | | With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth | | and understanding that after such a big transition it can be | | annoying to have to change things again I really want to urge | | you to change that again. | | That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use | git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes. (Just to be clear: this is hypothetical.) | Note thet gitweb currently offers git.d.o, e.g., | | git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/users/philipp/bayesian-toolbox So we should make sure that link works, yes. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874o4gmaou@qurzaw.varnish-software.com
Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth
On 05/27/2011 02:51 PM, Bernhard R. Link wrote: That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes. Would you expect to be able to push to git.debian.org? Yes. It is easy to remember and personally I fail to understand why it should not be possible to find a sane way to make it available. -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.dehttp://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprints: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ddfc3fa.8040...@bzed.de
Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth
If I have to guess what git.someorg.tld is, I'd guess one of the following (in this order): - a host offering git:// protocoll - a host offering public access to git repositories over http:// - a host offering a web view of git repositories. With the new alioth setup all those three are the same host as far as I do understand it, to it is utterly unintuitive to have none of those functions under the name git.debian.org but instead the host storing the data and offering ssh access. [1] With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth and understanding that after such a big transition it can be annoying to have to change things again I really want to urge you to change that again. Not changing it now most likely means Debian is stuck for a very long time with this extremly confusing host naming. On the plus side changing it now would also mean all the other DDs would not need to change all the package control files and all the documentation and links to the repositories, so if there is anything I can do to make this switch easier for you let me know. Please, please, please, Bernhard R. Link [1] It feels like www.debian.org being the host running wml, while http would be redirected to some anonwww.debian.org serving the pages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110526081833.ga8...@pcpool00.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de
