Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) writes: Should I send you a photocopy of the original cdroms that I used to install on my system? Actually, that can be useful, if only to verify just what version was installed :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
Just fix the program that generates our HTML mailing list archives, and make it output meta name=robots content=noindex for mails which contain any of the Forbidden Words! Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | 0x888354F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
On Sep 05, 2005 at 18:33, John Hasler praised the llamas by saying: David Pashley writes: No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google. If these people read the messages they find with their searches they wouldn't post here. They don't. They just grab the address and spam us. I'd hope that people actually clicked on the page in question rather than just seeing the email address in the summary on the google search. But yes, I agree that some users are occasionally stupid or lazy or both. Even still, it's worth trying to get http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01444.html bumped up to the top of the google search all the same. And helping people get off C4LL W4VE is not our job. Surely we should do our best to help all computer users, not just Debian users. :) I believe I did reply to them. But I did not cc them. That was my point (I replied privately with an entirely different message). My apologies, I was not refering to your email, but to the other person that replied and CCed the list. -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 04:44:41PM +0100, David Pashley wrote:
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Even still, it's worth trying to get
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01444.html bumped
up to the top of the google search all the same.
[...]
Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems to me that it would be
more effective to try to get http://www.callwave.com/members/cancel/
bumped up to the top of the google search instead.
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Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
David Pashley wrote: John Hasler praised the llamas by saying: And helping people get off C4LL W4VE is not our job. Surely we should do our best to help all computer users, not just Debian users. :) It is not practical nor even possible to do so. The noise is overwhelming! I have a problem scanning and faxing with my computer. I hold the paper up against the monitor and press enter but my computer must not be able to see it because it does not work. Can you help me too? Should I send you a photocopy of the original cdroms that I used to install on my system? It is Plan9 will that matter? I will be sure to make sure the are the originals that I used because I have heard that copies of cdroms don't always work. I am not subscribed so you will need to mail me directly. And oh by the way, I also did not include my real address on this message to avoid getting spam. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
David Pashley writes: I'd hope that people actually clicked on the page in question rather than just seeing the email address in the summary on the google search. We don't hear from those ones. But yes, I agree that some users are occasionally stupid or lazy or both. Those we do hear from. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
The Fungi writes: Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems to me that it would be more effective to try to get http://www.callwave.com/members/cancel/ bumped up to the top of the google search instead. Now that sounds sensible. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
Please do not follow up to these messages. These idiots apparently Google the phrase and then spam all the addresses they find. Posting about the subject here just creates more hits. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
On Sep 05, 2005 at 16:31, John Hasler praised the llamas by saying: Please do not follow up to these messages. These idiots apparently Google the phrase and then spam all the addresses they find. Posting about the subject here just creates more hits. I believe it is far more useful to follow up to these emails providing useful information how to remove themselves and in particular link to the rather informative email from Josh Metzler[0] so that they might find out how to do it themselves rather than emailing the list. On a side note, I believe that if you are going to follow up, you should at least be polite. Whilst we may get annoyed with the number of people asking to be removed, they may not know the extent of the problem and they will not understand why they get an abusive response. I don't belive it does the image of Debian any good by sending such replies. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01444.html -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
David Pashley writes: I believe it is far more useful to follow up to these emails providing useful information how to remove themselves and in particular link to the rather informative email from Josh Metzler[0] so that they might find out how to do it themselves rather than emailing the list. Don't follow up. Reply to them privately. On a side note, I believe that if you are going to follow up, you should at least be polite. Unless you cc them they are not going to see the follow up. They are not subscribed. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
On Sep 05, 2005 at 17:13, John Hasler praised the llamas by saying: David Pashley writes: I believe it is far more useful to follow up to these emails providing useful information how to remove themselves and in particular link to the rather informative email from Josh Metzler[0] so that they might find out how to do it themselves rather than emailing the list. Don't follow up. Reply to them privately. No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google. On a side note, I believe that if you are going to follow up, you should at least be polite. Unless you cc them they are not going to see the follow up. They are not subscribed. I believe I did reply to them. -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
David Pashley wrote: Don't follow up. Reply to them privately. No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google. That is exactly the point. We DO NOT WANT people to find the Debian mailing lists in any relation to that search. Every time someone references it in a Debian mailing list it increases the page range on Google. That is the problem. By referencing it here and keeping the Google page rank pointing here you are actually hurting the users searching Google in the future. What would help the user would be to increase the page range of (avoding the name here) in Google so that when they search for it that Google actually points them to the right place. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
On Sep 05, 2005 at 18:14, Bob Proulx praised the llamas by saying: David Pashley wrote: Don't follow up. Reply to them privately. No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google. That is exactly the point. We DO NOT WANT people to find the Debian mailing lists in any relation to that search. Every time someone references it in a Debian mailing list it increases the page range on Google. That is the problem. By referencing it here and keeping the Google page rank pointing here you are actually hurting the users searching Google in the future. What would help the user would be to increase the page range of (avoding the name here) in Google so that when they search for it that Google actually points them to the right place. Which is exactly why my reply included the link to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01444.html so that page ranks higher than the individual posts from people asking to be removed. If every time some asks to be removed, we link to that email in the archive, it will be considered more important than the current emails that come out top. Bob -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Proulx wrote: David Pashley wrote: Don't follow up. Reply to them privately. No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google. That is exactly the point. We DO NOT WANT people to find the Debian mailing lists in any relation to that search. Every time someone references it in a Debian mailing list it increases the page range on Google. That is the problem. By referencing it here and keeping the Google page rank pointing here you are actually hurting the users searching Google in the future. What would help the user would be to increase the page range of (avoding the name here) in Google so that when they search for it that Google actually points them to the right place. Bob I wonder if it would be possible to appeal to google to have them manually edit that search so that l.d.o doesn't appear. (Same for dueling banjo's) Benjamin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDHH7Nev9LOsNKpIQRApVFAKCHxXBpqxcZY1yPRu+s5ZzJTy7w7ACeLuSx MVJeDyiGlNohqvqLfYk8+4g= =egpV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
David Pashley writes: No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google. If these people read the messages they find with their searches they wouldn't post here. They don't. They just grab the address and spam us. And helping people get off C4LL W4VE is not our job. I believe I did reply to them. But I did not cc them. That was my point (I replied privately with an entirely different message). -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REMOVE ME FROM C4LL W4VE
Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: I wonder if it would be possible to appeal to google to have them manually edit that search so that l.d.o doesn't appear. (Same for [replaced with string instrument to avoid another google hit]'s) What I think I would rather see is targeted moderation of anything that matched either of those two things. That would keep them out of the mailing lists and _eventually_ one would think the page rank would decrease to the old archives. Of course that would take someone to do the work of moderating that particular pattern match. And at least someone will contrive an example that matches but is otherwise valid and complain about it. Perhaps we should call upon everyone who reads Debian lists to, as their sacred duty, blog somewhere at least three hits to the upstream sites as a way to artifically promote them higher? :-/ (sarcasm) Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
