Re: RFC: Virtual Package Name List (was bug #10676)

1997-06-19 Thread Mark Eichin

 I was under the impression that xcompat is needed to run non-Debian 
 binaries that were compiled against old libs.  I believe that may be true 

That is possible (xcompat is an a.out library.)  I haven't heard
direct reports of such (and xcompat is still dead -- there were never
real sources for the package, it was cobbled together by hand, so
would take some work to reconstruct...)  Nonetheless, nothing within
debian cares about the use of those virtual package names.


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Re: RFC: Virtual Package Name List (was bug #10676)

1997-06-19 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On 18 Jun 1997, Mark Eichin wrote:

 xcompat is dead (ie. it dates from when those were valid... since no
 current packages need those virtual names, xcompat isn't needed either.)

I was under the impression that xcompat is needed to run non-Debian 
binaries that were compiled against old libs.  I believe that may be true 
for the shareware Wingz spreadsheet program.  Please correct me if I am 
wrong--I know you will. :-)

Syrus.

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Re: RFC: Virtual Package Name List (was bug #10676)

1997-06-19 Thread Thomas Koenig
Mark Eichin wrote:
xcompat is dead (ie. it dates from when those were valid... since no
current packages need those virtual names, xcompat isn't needed either.)

I need xcompat to run Maple VR3.
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RFC: Virtual Package Name List (was bug #10676)

1997-06-18 Thread Christian Schwarz
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Hi folks!

On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Igor Grobman wrote (cf. bug #10676):

 Package: debian-policy
 Version: 2.1.3.3
 
 X11R6 virtual package is not marked obsolete in virtual packages list.  I
 got bitten by this one when packaging dotfile generator.  I suspect there
 are some more unmarked virtual packages there, because only one package is
 marked obsolete.

Oops! Thanks for pointing that out! I had just had a look at the complete
list and discovered lots of obsolete virtual packages. Thus, I want to
revise the whole list now.

Is it true, that the following virtual packages MAY NOT be used anymore?

X11R5   XFree86 R5, including base system (obsolete)
xR5shlibXFree86 R5 shared library only
X11R6   XFree86 R6, including base system
xR6shlibXFree86 R6 shared library only
xlibraries  XFree86 R6 shared library or stub library

These packages are not being used currently. I suggest to remove this from
the list: 

compressAnything that provides a true BSD compress command
sgmls   An SGML parser which produces output compatible
with James Clark's sgmls and nsgmls parsers

There are now a packages called emacs and inews. Thus, I suggest to
remove these entries:

emacs   Anything that provides the emacs editor
inews   /usr/bin/inews - local or remote news poster

There is a virtual package imap-client which is suggested by imap-4
(Suggests: pine | imap-client) but no package seems to provide it. Thus, I
suggest to remove this entry, too:

imap-client Any mail reader capable of accessing remote mail
folders using the IMAP protocol (e.g. Pine)

I'd also like to remove the following, IMHO obsolete section:

Names of superseded packages Provided by the current ones:
--
gs_x, gs_svga, gs_both  Provided by Ghostscript (gs).  Use gs.
xpmR6   Provided by xpm.  Use xpm.

So here is how the whole list would look like:


X Windows:
- --
xserver Any X server (used by other X packages)

Miscellaneous:
- --
libc.so.4   An a.out shared C library, version 4.x.x.
info-browserSomething that can browser GNU Info files
kernel-source   Kernel source code
kernel-headers  Kernel header files (linux/*.h, asm/*.h)
kernel-imageKernel image (vmlinuz, System.map, modules)
httpd   Any HTTP server
postscript-viewer   Anything that can display Postscript files
postscript-preview  Any preprocessor that creates Postscript output
www-browser Something that can browse html files
awk Anything providing suitable /usr/bin/{awk,nawk}
c-shell Anything providing a suitable /usr/bin/csh
pdf-viewer  Anything that can display PDF files
pdf-preview Any preprocessor that creates PDF output
wordlistAnything that provides /usr/dict/words
dotfile-module  Anything that provides a module for the
Dotfile Generator
ups-monitor Anything that is capable of controlling an UPS
tcl-interpreter Anything that provides /usr/bin/tclsh
tk-interpreter  Anything that provides /usr/bin/wish

News and Mail:
- --
mail-transport-agentMail transport agents (Smail, Sendmail, c)
mail-reader Mail user agents (Pine, Elm, mailx, c)
news-transport-system   Local news system (INN, C News or B News)
news-reader Any news reader (trn, tin, c)
pgp A version of PGP (International or US)
imap-server Any IMAP mail server

- --

The following packages seem to be wrong:

ucbmpeg_play (2.3_patched-2) Recommends: X11R6
ucbmpeg (1r2-2)  Recommends: X11R6

And what about xcompat?

Package: xcompat
Provides: X11R5, xr5shlib, aout-x11r6lib, X11R6

- --

Please tell me what you think of it. If there are no objections, these
changes will be incorporated into the next release of the Policy Manual.


Thanks,

Chris

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Re: Bug#10676: RFC: Virtual Package Name List (was bug #10676)

1997-06-18 Thread Mark Baker

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 There is a virtual package imap-client which is suggested by imap-4
 (Suggests: pine | imap-client) but no package seems to provide it. Thus, I
 suggest to remove this entry, too:
 
 imap-client Any mail reader capable of accessing remote mail
 folders using the IMAP protocol (e.g. Pine)

No, leave it. There are other imap clients (I didn't know about this
package: I'll have to add it to TkRat). Without it, we'll just have
suggests: pine, which is silly when any other imap client is just as good.

I suggest we keep it, and file bugs against pine, tkrat and any others, and
then remove the Suggests: pine from imap-4.

Otherwise, everything you say that I know enough about to comment on looks
fine.