Re: BTS not archiving Bcc: mails? [was: Re: inconsistent mailgraph settings]

[Don Armstrong]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2021, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Yes, but only the notification (and one needs to see the full message).
> But what if the close message is sent when an empty From or with
> a From containing the -cl...@bugs.debian.org address
> of the bug[*] (such messages could come from spammers)?
> 
> [*] That could yield a loop, and this may depend on how it is broken.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> Yet the BTS says that the message with this Message-Id has closed the bug:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=29


There some (understandable) confusion here. The BTS reports closures as
"Reply sent to whoe...@example.com: You have taken responsibility. (Fri,
20 Aug 2021 13:33:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link)." and has done so for
about 20 years.

The BTS (like all e-mail systems) totally ignores what is in To/Cc when
processing e-mail, and only pays attention to the SMTP RCPT TO and MAIL
FROM.

Normally -done messages include the done address in the To: header, so
it's pretty obvious which message actually caused a bug to be closed,
but it is not required.

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Re: BTS not archiving Bcc: mails? [was: Re: inconsistent mailgraph settings]G

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2021-08-23 07:43:07 +0100, Tim Woodall wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > Am 23. August 2021 07:19:26 MESZ schrieb Tomas Pospisek 
> > :
> > > 
> > > The thing is, if you close a bug report via `Bcc:
> > > -cl...@bugs.debian.org` then the mail that arrives at the
> > > BTS does *not* have the -cl...@bugs.debian.org address in
> > > the email header but only in the mail envelope - that is, when
> > > connecting the sending MTA will tell the BTS MTA "RCPT TO:
> > > -cl...@bugs.debian.org"
> > > and that's it. This will close the bug, but the address
> > > -cl...@bugs.debian.org will not be visible in the email
> > > that's archived...
> > 
> > Funny, just some minutes before your mail I have filed
> > bug #992755 as a place to test and document this
> > behaviour.
> > 
> > It's indeed as you stated.
> > 
> > Thus, I will reopen and rename that bug accordingly.
> 
> When I toggle "show useless messages" I think I do see the closure. And
> I see the one for 989734 too.

Yes, but only the notification (and one needs to see the full message).
But what if the close message is sent when an empty From or with
a From containing the -cl...@bugs.debian.org address
of the bug[*] (such messages could come from spammers)?

[*] That could yield a loop, and this may depend on how it is broken.

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Re: BTS not archiving Bcc: mails? [was: Re: inconsistent mailgraph settings]

[Andrey Rahmatullin]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:21:04AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2021-08-22 23:32:15 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 08:25:41PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
> > > Wouldn't the Bcc'ed email that arrived to the BTS be visible in the bug's
> > > log/archive (on the bug's page (https://bugs.debian.org/989734))?
> > It's visible: 
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=27
> 
> Where? I don't see any "close" or "done".
Yet the BTS says that the message with this Message-Id has closed the bug:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=29

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Re: BTS not archiving Bcc: mails? [was: Re: inconsistent mailgraph settings]G

[Tim Woodall]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, Holger Wansing wrote:




Am 23. August 2021 07:19:26 MESZ schrieb Tomas Pospisek :


The thing is, if you close a bug report via `Bcc:
-cl...@bugs.debian.org` then the mail that arrives at the
BTS does *not* have the -cl...@bugs.debian.org address in
the email header but only in the mail envelope - that is, when
connecting the sending MTA will tell the BTS MTA "RCPT TO:
-cl...@bugs.debian.org"
and that's it. This will close the bug, but the address
-cl...@bugs.debian.org will not be visible in the email
that's archived...


Funny, just some minutes before your mail I have filed
bug #992755 as a place to test and document this
behaviour.

It's indeed as you stated.

Thus, I will reopen and rename that bug accordingly.



When I toggle "show useless messages" I think I do see the closure. And
I see the one for 989734 too.


https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=992755;msg=14
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=14

(Pasted below in case those links don't work as I expect)

Tim.


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From: "Debian Bug Tracking System" 
To: Holger Wansing 
Subject: Bug#992755 closed by Holger Wansing  (Re:
 Bug#992755: [BTS] Bcc'ed close mails not archived in bug log ?))
Message-ID:

References: <9f3cf53f-8c57-4ce5-b459-d7605c1c0...@mailbox.org>
 
X-Debian-PR-Message: they-closed 992755
X-Debian-PR-Package: bugs.debian.org
Reply-To: 992...@bugs.debian.org
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 05:33:06 +
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This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report
which was filed against the bugs.debian.org package:

#992755: [BTS] Bcc'ed close mails not archived in bug log ?

It has been closed by Holger Wansing .

Their explanation is attached below along with your original report.
If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a
better one in a separate message then please contact Holger Wansing
 by
replying to this email.


--
992755: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=992755
Debian Bug Tracking System
Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems

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From: Holger Wansing 
To: 992...@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#992755: [BTS] Bcc'ed close mails not archived in
bug log ?)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:30:09 +0200

This mail is also sent to
992755-cl...@bugs.debian.org
via Bcc !

Let's see what happens...






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From: "Debian Bug Tracking System" 
To: Vincent Lefevre 
Subject: Bug#989734 closed by J??rg Frings-F??rst
  (reply to debian@jff.email) (Re: mailgraph does not
 start on boot)
Message-ID:

References: <75bfd56d668f858a0df8c89c963d31e8036414c2.camel@jff.email>
 <20210611143438.ga12...@joooj.vinc17.net>
X-Debian-PR-Message: they-closed 989734
X-Debian-PR-Package: mailgraph
X-Debian-PR-Source: mailgraph
Reply-To: 989...@bugs.debian.org
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 12:06:07 +
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[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report
which was filed against the mailgraph package:

#989734: mailgraph does not start on boot

It has been closed by J??rg Frings-F??rst  (reply to
debian@jff.email).

Their explanation is attached below along with your original report.
If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a
better one in a separate message then please contact J??rg Frings-F??rst
 (reply to debian@jff.email) by
replying to this email.

Re: BTS not archiving Bcc: mails? [was: Re: inconsistent mailgraph settings]

[Holger Wansing]

Am 23. August 2021 07:19:26 MESZ schrieb Tomas Pospisek :
>
>The thing is, if you close a bug report via `Bcc: 
>-cl...@bugs.debian.org` then the mail that arrives at the 
>BTS does *not* have the -cl...@bugs.debian.org address in 
>the email header but only in the mail envelope - that is, when 
>connecting the sending MTA will tell the BTS MTA "RCPT TO: 
>-cl...@bugs.debian.org"
>and that's it. This will close the bug, but the address 
>-cl...@bugs.debian.org will not be visible in the email 
>that's archived...

Funny, just some minutes before your mail I have filed 
bug #992755 as a place to test and document this
behaviour.

It's indeed as you stated.

Thus, I will reopen and rename that bug accordingly.


Holger


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Re: BTS not archiving Bcc: mails? [was: Re: inconsistent mailgraph settings]

[Tomas Pospisek]

On 23.08.21 02:21, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

On 2021-08-22 23:32:15 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 08:25:41PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote:

Wouldn't the Bcc'ed email that arrived to the BTS be visible in the bug's
log/archive (on the bug's page (https://bugs.debian.org/989734))?

It's visible: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=27


Where? I don't see any "close" or "done".

Note that the "Done:" in the metadata at the top just reflects the
*current* status of the bug; it is currently also present at

   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=5

where the bug was obviously open.


The thing is, if you close a bug report via `Bcc: 
-cl...@bugs.debian.org` then the mail that arrives at the 
BTS does *not* have the -cl...@bugs.debian.org address in 
the email header but only in the mail envelope - that is, when 
connecting the sending MTA will tell the BTS MTA "RCPT TO: 
-cl...@bugs.debian.org"
and that's it. This will close the bug, but the address 
-cl...@bugs.debian.org will not be visible in the email 
that's archived...


Not sure why people are using `Bcc: -cl...@bugs.debian.org` 
in the first place. To hide that -cl...@bugs.debian.org 
address from spammers? But then all the other addresses are visible...?

:-/
*t

Re: BTS not archiving Bcc: mails? [was: Re: inconsistent mailgraph settings]

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2021-08-22 23:32:15 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 08:25:41PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
> > Wouldn't the Bcc'ed email that arrived to the BTS be visible in the bug's
> > log/archive (on the bug's page (https://bugs.debian.org/989734))?
> It's visible: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=27

Where? I don't see any "close" or "done".

Note that the "Done:" in the metadata at the top just reflects the
*current* status of the bug; it is currently also present at

  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=5

where the bug was obviously open.

-- 
Vincent Lefèvre  - Web: 
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: BTS not archiving Bcc: mails? [was: Re: inconsistent mailgraph settings]

[Andrey Rahmatullin]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 08:25:41PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
> Wouldn't the Bcc'ed email that arrived to the BTS be visible in the bug's
> log/archive (on the bug's page (https://bugs.debian.org/989734))?
It's visible: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=989734;msg=27

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