Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-22 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Charles Plessy wrote:
 But if there is a problem, I will fall back on the poetic license:
 
 
 Files: debian/*
 Copyright: 2009, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org
 License: Poetic
  This work ‘as-is’ we provide.
  No warranty, express or implied.
  We’ve done our best,
  to debug and test.
  Liability for damages denied.
  .
  Permission is granted hereby,
  to copy, share, and modify.
  Use as is fit,
  free or for profit.
  On this notice these rights rely.
 Comment: The text of this license is © 2005 Alexander E Genaud,
  see `http://genaud.net/2005/10/poetic-license/'.

Haha, very nice. Is there anything in the archive with this license?

Cheers,
Emilio



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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-22 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org (22/04/2009):
 I try to refresh my control and rules files with latest versions of
 dh-make-perl when I upload new upstream releases. Be sure that this
 depenancy will be removed after the patches that you will send to the
 Policy and to dh-make-perl will be accepted.

Contacted -policy and -perl first.

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-22 Thread Cyril Brulebois
(No need to Cc me if you keep -devel in the loop.)

gregor herrmann gre...@debian.org (21/04/2009):
 On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:22:39 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 
   libdbd-sqlite3-perl (= 1.14), libdbi-perl (= 1.51), perl (= 
 5.6.0-12)
  
^^
WTH?
   aqwa『~』$ zgrep -A1 -B1 '5.6.0-12' 
   /usr/share/doc/dh-make-perl/changelog.gz 
 * when module has no specific perl version requirements, fall back to 
   perl
   (= 5.6.0-12) for B-D-I, like dh_perl. Remove retrieval of (now 
   unised)
   information about the available perl version.
  
  Well.
 
 That's actually in Perl Policy, 4.4.1:
 In the absence of an explicit requirement, architecture-independent
 modules must depend on a minimum perl or perl-base version of
 5.6.0-16 due to the changes in @INC introduced by that version.
 http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/perl-policy/ch-module_packages.html
 
 (Hm, 5.6.0-16 != 5.6.0-12.)
 
 (Not that it's really useful nowadays but it seems noone has bothered
 about it yet ...)

Hello Policy  Perl folks,

can we please get rid of that obsolete version requirement?

More reasons in 20090421162239.gb26...@debian.org:
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/04/msg00792.html

(Contacting -policy since that's the address given at the bottom of the
perl-policy page.)

Thanks for your time.

Mraw,
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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes:

 can we please get rid of that obsolete version requirement?

 More reasons in 20090421162239.gb26...@debian.org:
   http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/04/msg00792.html

 (Contacting -policy since that's the address given at the bottom of the
 perl-policy page.)

Yeah, absolutely.  Could you file a bug against debian-policy so that I
don't lose track of this before I get a chance to do it?

Thanks!

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-22 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (22/04/2009):
 Yeah, absolutely.  Could you file a bug against debian-policy so that I
 don't lose track of this before I get a chance to do it?

Sure. #525190 (-policy received the bugreport, dropping it; adding the
initial bugreport).

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Adeodato Simó
+ Charles Plessy (Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:49:27 +0900):

 Files: debian/*
 Copyright: 2009, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org
 License: PD
  Please treat this packaging work as if it were in public domain.

Is such a wording actually appropriate for this, “as if”?

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org (21/04/2009):
 Source: libmqdb-perl
 Section: perl
 Priority: optional
 Build-Depends: debhelper (= 7)
 Build-Depends-Indep: libdbd-mysql-perl (= 3.0005),
   libdbd-sqlite3-perl (= 1.14), libdbi-perl (= 1.51), perl (= 5.6.0-12)
  ^^

WTH?

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 04:07:44PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
 Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org (21/04/2009):
  Source: libmqdb-perl
  Section: perl
  Priority: optional
  Build-Depends: debhelper (= 7)
  Build-Depends-Indep: libdbd-mysql-perl (= 3.0005),
libdbd-sqlite3-perl (= 1.14), libdbi-perl (= 1.51), perl (= 5.6.0-12)
   ^^

aqwa『~』$ zgrep -A1 -B1 '5.6.0-12' /usr/share/doc/dh-make-perl/changelog.gz 
  * when module has no specific perl version requirements, fall back to perl
(= 5.6.0-12) for B-D-I, like dh_perl. Remove retrieval of (now unised)
information about the available perl version.

Hopla,

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org (21/04/2009):
 libdbd-sqlite3-perl (= 1.14), libdbi-perl (= 1.51), perl (= 5.6.0-12)
^^
  WTH?
 
 aqwa『~』$ zgrep -A1 -B1 '5.6.0-12' /usr/share/doc/dh-make-perl/changelog.gz 
   * when module has no specific perl version requirements, fall back to perl
 (= 5.6.0-12) for B-D-I, like dh_perl. Remove retrieval of (now unised)
 information about the available perl version.

Well.

One:
| $ rmadison -s oldstable perl
| perl | 5.8.8-7etch6 | oldstable | source, alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, 
i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc

Two, grepping debhelper's history:
| +# the installation dir for arch-indep modules changed to
| +# /usr/share/perl5 in this version:
| +my $min_version = '5.6.0-16';

Looks like it?
| commit b352136551fb3384722942f0206419ca066dedda
| Author: joey joey
| Date:   Wed Apr 25 17:01:49 2001 +
  
some years ago…
| 
| r463:* dh_perl: updates from bod:
|  - Provide minimum version for arch-indep module dependencies
|(perl-policy 1,18, section 3.4.1).
|  - Always update substvars, even if Perl:Depends is empty.

Also, you already have perl-base and perl-modules, that might look like
sufficient? (And perl through debhelper anyway.)

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:22:39 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

  libdbd-sqlite3-perl (= 1.14), libdbi-perl (= 1.51), perl (= 
5.6.0-12)
 
   ^^
   WTH?
  aqwa『~』$ zgrep -A1 -B1 '5.6.0-12' /usr/share/doc/dh-make-perl/changelog.gz 
* when module has no specific perl version requirements, fall back to 
  perl
  (= 5.6.0-12) for B-D-I, like dh_perl. Remove retrieval of (now unised)
  information about the available perl version.
 
 Well.

That's actually in Perl Policy, 4.4.1:
In the absence of an explicit requirement, architecture-independent
modules must depend on a minimum perl or perl-base version of
5.6.0-16 due to the changes in @INC introduced by that version.
http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/perl-policy/ch-module_packages.html

(Hm, 5.6.0-16 != 5.6.0-12.)

(Not that it's really useful nowadays but it seems noone has bothered
about it yet ...)
 
Cheers,
gregor
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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 06:22:39PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
 Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org (21/04/2009):
  libdbd-sqlite3-perl (= 1.14), libdbi-perl (= 1.51), perl (= 
5.6.0-12)
 
   ^^
   WTH?
  
  aqwa『~』$ zgrep -A1 -B1 '5.6.0-12' /usr/share/doc/dh-make-perl/changelog.gz 
* when module has no specific perl version requirements, fall back to 
  perl
  (= 5.6.0-12) for B-D-I, like dh_perl. Remove retrieval of (now unised)
  information about the available perl version.
 
 Well.

I try to refresh my control and rules files with latest versions of
dh-make-perl when I upload new upstream releases. Be sure that this depenancy
will be removed after the patches that you will send to the Policy and to
dh-make-perl will be accepted.

Happy patching,

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 03:27:51PM +0200, Adeodato Simó a écrit :
 + Charles Plessy (Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:49:27 +0900):
 
  Files: debian/*
  Copyright: 2009, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org
  License: PD
   Please treat this packaging work as if it were in public domain.
 
 Is such a wording actually appropriate for this, “as if”?

Hi Adeodato,

I thought so, since anyway in many countries one can not abandon his rights
and put his work under the public domain.

But if there is a problem, I will fall back on the poetic license:


Files: debian/*
Copyright: 2009, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org
License: Poetic
 This work ‘as-is’ we provide.
 No warranty, express or implied.
 We’ve done our best,
 to debug and test.
 Liability for damages denied.
 .
 Permission is granted hereby,
 to copy, share, and modify.
 Use as is fit,
 free or for profit.
 On this notice these rights rely.
Comment: The text of this license is © 2005 Alexander E Genaud,
 see `http://genaud.net/2005/10/poetic-license/'.


Have a nice day,

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Re: Bug#524998: ITP: libmqdb-perl -- MappedQueryDB toolkit for federated databases

2009-04-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:

 I thought so, since anyway in many countries one can not abandon his
 rights and put his work under the public domain.

The text that was recommended by the IETF lawyers was:

 In addition, the authors (on behalf of themselves and their
 employers) hereby relinquish any claim to any copyright that they
 may have in this work, whether granted under contract or by
 operation of law or international treaty, and hereby commit to the
 public, at large, that they shall not, at any time in the future,
 seek to enforce any copyright in this work against any person or
 entity, or prevent any person or entity from copying, publishing,
 distributing or creating derivative works of this work.

The legal theory, as I understand it, is that even in countries where
one cannot relinquish copyright interest, the above constitutes estoppel
against suing over your copyright, which accomplishes essentially the
same thing.

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