Re: Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
There must be a good *reason* why Christian still maintains ffmpeg and mplayer in d-m.o even though same-named packages are also in Debian. Maybe he likes the extra work?? Maybe because he activates some 5 more built-in encoders in ffmpeg and links it against some 5 more libraries like libmp3lame and libx264, which we can't since they are not in Debian. And no, it turns out he does not set value on collaboration with the Debian pkg-multimedia team or even attempt to keep his libraries at least binary compatible to the ones in Debian. Please concern yourself with the multimedia patent and codec situation in Debian next time, before you post bullshit to debian-devel. - Fabian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c03718f.8030...@greffrath.com
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On 05/31/2010 03:21 AM, Fabian Greffrath wrote: There must be a good *reason* why Christian still maintains ffmpeg and mplayer in d-m.o even though same-named packages are also in Debian. Maybe he likes the extra work?? Maybe because he activates some 5 more built-in encoders in ffmpeg and links it against some 5 more libraries like libmp3lame and libx264, which we can't since they are not in Debian. That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming it. And no, it turns out he does not set value on collaboration with the Debian pkg-multimedia team or even attempt to keep his libraries at least binary compatible to the ones in Debian. OK. Please concern yourself with the multimedia patent and codec situation in Debian next time, before you post bullshit to debian-devel. LOL Let me quote siret...@debian.org : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/05/msg01131.html what licensing issues do you see in rtmpdump, ffmpeg or mplayer?! they are all (L)GPL which is perfectly DFSG compatible. Before you come up with FUD about patents, DMCA, etc. - pretty please don't. there is already enough FUD floating around. So, you say, concern myself with patent issues, and Reinhard says, ignore the patent issues. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c03af18.2090...@cox.net
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On Mo, Mai 31, 2010 at 14:44:08 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: what licensing issues do you see in rtmpdump, ffmpeg or mplayer?! they are all (L)GPL which is perfectly DFSG compatible. Before you come up with FUD about patents, DMCA, etc. - pretty please don't. there is already enough FUD floating around. So, you say, concern myself with patent issues, and Reinhard says, ignore the patent issues. No, that's not what I'm saying. Read again. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y6f0dx32@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Re: Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
So, you say, concern myself with patent issues, and Reinhard says, ignore the patent issues. No! If feel the need to quote us, please do it at least correctly! Reinhard did not say to ignore the patent issue. He asked you to stop throwing oil on the fire, as the whole media patent story has already been chewed through several times on different lists without leading to any satisfying results yet (see #522373). Using the next best media library ITP to pick this topic up again won't help either. And I did not say you should concern yourself with patent issues. I did say you should concern yourself with the current multimedia situation in Debian. I takes some 5 minutes of research to find out why specific packages are present in both Debian and d-m.o. And it takes some more 5 minutes to find out that we (i.e. the pkg-multimedia team in Debian) are very unpleased with this situation. - Fabian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c03bf57.1070...@greffrath.com
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On 05/29/2010 12:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 22:49:43 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 09:20 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 16:00:27 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 01:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I'm going to package rtmpdump next week. On Fr, Mai 22, 2009 at 16:33:44 (CEST), Sam Morris wrote: * Package name: rtmpdump * URL : [hidden obsolete url] * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP/RTMPE protocol. How will this be different from the rtmpdump (currently at v2.2d-0.0) in d-m.o? I didn't look inside the source package nor do I intend to do so. I note that it doesn't provide an librtmp-dev package, so it's useless for me. Even when you need to reinvent the wheel, it's usually useful to see how others built their wheels, and maybe -- just maybe -- add to their well-debugged wheel. not in this case. Some rights-restricted libraries stripped out? I didn't spot any restricted libraries included. What are you referring to? Christian created d-m.o for useful packages that can't be the official Debian repositories; mainly for licensing issues. what licensing issues do you see in rtmpdump, ffmpeg or mplayer?! they are all (L)GPL which is perfectly DFSG compatible. Before you come up with FUD about patents, DMCA, etc. - pretty please don't. there is already enough FUD floating around. There must be a good *reason* why Christian still maintains ffmpeg and mplayer in d-m.o even though same-named packages are also in Debian. Maybe he likes the extra work?? That's why, for example, mplayer and ffmpeg are in both Debian and d-m.o. please do your homework. you are evading my question, probably because you have no idea what you are talking about. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c02480a.60...@cox.net
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
Le vendredi 28 mai 2010 à 15:49 -0500, Ron Johnson a écrit : I didn't look inside the source package nor do I intend to do so. I note that it doesn't provide an librtmp-dev package, so it's useless for me. Even when you need to reinvent the wheel, it's usually useful to see how others built their wheels, and maybe -- just maybe -- add to their well-debugged wheel. There are wheels you can look at and find design inspiration into. And there are others you shouldn’t look at since all you get will be bad ideas and broken patches. That includes Ubuntu universe, Fedora rawhide and debian-multimedia.org. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1275223258.28113.50.ca...@tomoyo
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 22:49:43 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 09:20 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 16:00:27 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 01:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I'm going to package rtmpdump next week. On Fr, Mai 22, 2009 at 16:33:44 (CEST), Sam Morris wrote: * Package name: rtmpdump * URL : [hidden obsolete url] * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP/RTMPE protocol. How will this be different from the rtmpdump (currently at v2.2d-0.0) in d-m.o? I didn't look inside the source package nor do I intend to do so. I note that it doesn't provide an librtmp-dev package, so it's useless for me. Even when you need to reinvent the wheel, it's usually useful to see how others built their wheels, and maybe -- just maybe -- add to their well-debugged wheel. not in this case. Some rights-restricted libraries stripped out? I didn't spot any restricted libraries included. What are you referring to? Christian created d-m.o for useful packages that can't be the official Debian repositories; mainly for licensing issues. what licensing issues do you see in rtmpdump, ffmpeg or mplayer?! they are all (L)GPL which is perfectly DFSG compatible. Before you come up with FUD about patents, DMCA, etc. - pretty please don't. there is already enough FUD floating around. That's why, for example, mplayer and ffmpeg are in both Debian and d-m.o. please do your homework. you are evading my question, probably because you have no idea what you are talking about. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fx1agdpd@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On 05/28/2010 01:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: retitle 529974 ITP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol owner 529974 ! stop I'm going to package rtmpdump next week. On Fr, Mai 22, 2009 at 16:33:44 (CEST), Sam Morris wrote: * Package name: rtmpdump * URL : [hidden obsolete url] * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP/RTMPE protocol. How will this be different from the rtmpdump (currently at v2.2d-0.0) in d-m.o? Some rights-restricted libraries stripped out? -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bffcc7b.7050...@cox.net
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 16:00:27 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 01:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I'm going to package rtmpdump next week. On Fr, Mai 22, 2009 at 16:33:44 (CEST), Sam Morris wrote: * Package name: rtmpdump * URL : [hidden obsolete url] * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP/RTMPE protocol. How will this be different from the rtmpdump (currently at v2.2d-0.0) in d-m.o? I didn't look inside the source package nor do I intend to do so. I note that it doesn't provide an librtmp-dev package, so it's useless for me. Some rights-restricted libraries stripped out? I didn't spot any restricted libraries included. What are you referring to? -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d3wgkszn@faui44a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On 05/28/2010 09:20 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 16:00:27 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 01:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I'm going to package rtmpdump next week. On Fr, Mai 22, 2009 at 16:33:44 (CEST), Sam Morris wrote: * Package name: rtmpdump * URL : [hidden obsolete url] * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP/RTMPE protocol. How will this be different from the rtmpdump (currently at v2.2d-0.0) in d-m.o? I didn't look inside the source package nor do I intend to do so. I note that it doesn't provide an librtmp-dev package, so it's useless for me. Even when you need to reinvent the wheel, it's usually useful to see how others built their wheels, and maybe -- just maybe -- add to their well-debugged wheel. Some rights-restricted libraries stripped out? I didn't spot any restricted libraries included. What are you referring to? Christian created d-m.o for useful packages that can't be the official Debian repositories; mainly for licensing issues. That's why, for example, mplayer and ffmpeg are in both Debian and d-m.o. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c002c67.9050...@cox.net
