Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-15 Thread Peter Samuelson

[Christopher Crammond]
 Suppose you have a repository stuffed full of binary packages, in
 this case Debian Packages.  If you were unlucky enough to have them
 in a rather un-organized fashion, I was just wondering if the package
 file itself would provide said information to allow me to write a
 program to sort them out.

The tool you have is the Depends line in each package.  You can
retrieve this information using 'dpkg --info'.

Specifically, over half of Debian packages declare a dependency on
'libc6', usually greater than or equal to a particular version.  The
required libc6 version corresponds to distributions like so:

  libc6 (= 2.1.something) Debian 2.2 (potato)
  libc6 (= 2.2.5-something)   Debian 3.0 (woody)
  libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-something)   Debian 3.1 (sarge)
  libc6 (= 2.3.5-something)   Debian etch or sid

Packages that don't depend on libc6 often depend on something else that
will give away the game, like perl.  Potato shipped with perl 5.005 or
so, woody with perl 5.6.1, sarge with perl 5.8.4, and etch currently
has perl 5.8.7.  So some perl packages will include versioned
dependencies that provide a clue.

If a package contains no dependencies that tell you what version of
Debian they're intended for, then more than likely it does not matter.
Note also that the way these dependencies are declared, usually a lower
version limit is provided but no upper limit, which means exactly what
you think it means: many if not most woody packages will install and
run correctly on sarge, and so forth.


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Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-11 Thread Christopher Crammond




Suppose you have a repository stuffed full of binary packages, in this
case Debian Packages. If you were unlucky enough to have them in a
rather un-organized fashion, I was just wondering if the package file
itself would provide said information to allow me to write a program to
sort them out.

-- christopher

Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:

  Christopher Crammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
I was wondering if someone could provide me with some additional
information related to Debian packaging.  Specifically, I would like to
know if there is a way to determine which version of Debian that a
package belongs to?

  
  
No. Almost all packages in stable have been uploaded to unstable, were
migrated to testing and then were released as stable. We would have to
do new uploads for each of these transitions to keep such a field
updated.

Why do you need it, anyway?

Marc
  
  

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Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-11 Thread Erik Schanze
Hi,

Christopher Crammond Christopher Crammond [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Suppose you have a repository stuffed full of binary packages, in
 this case Debian Packages.  If you were unlucky enough to have them
 in a rather un-organized fashion, I was just wondering if the package
 file itself would provide said information to allow me to write a
 program to sort them out.

You are looking for apt-move.


Kindly regards,

Erik


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Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-10 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Christopher Crammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I was wondering if someone could provide me with some additional
 information related to Debian packaging.  Specifically, I would like to
 know if there is a way to determine which version of Debian that a
 package belongs to?

No. Almost all packages in stable have been uploaded to unstable, were
migrated to testing and then were released as stable. We would have to
do new uploads for each of these transitions to keep such a field
updated.

Why do you need it, anyway?

Marc
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Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
 I was wondering if someone could provide me with some additional
 information related to Debian packaging.  Specifically, I would like to
 know if there is a way to determine which version of Debian that a
 package belongs to?

You can check if it belongs currently to a version bymeans of the signed
package file.

http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r0/Release{,.gpg}

is the release file with the associated signature, which lists the md5sums
of the package files. And the package files list the version of the packages
and the checksum of the archive file in:

http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r0/main/binary-i386/Packages

Gruss
Bernd


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Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Christopher Crammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I was wondering if someone could provide me with some additional
 information related to Debian packaging.  Specifically, I would like to
 know if there is a way to determine which version of Debian that a
 package belongs to?

Any version of Debian that satisfies the package dependencies.

 As a comparison, RPM offers an optional field for Distribution.  While
 not required, most packages to fill in this field and it provides of
 means of determine the intended flavor of Linux.

That's because most RPMs don't use dependencies properly, so this sort of
hack is required.

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Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-09 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 09 novembre 2005 à 13:12 -0800, Christopher Crammond a
écrit :
 Hello:
 
 I was wondering if someone could provide me with some additional
 information related to Debian packaging.  Specifically, I would like to
 know if there is a way to determine which version of Debian that a
 package belongs to?
 
 For instance, the control file of the dpkg_1.10.28_i386.deb file looks
 like this:

 I can see that the origin is indeed Debian; however, is there anyway to
 determine which version of Debian this is targeted for (ie. 3.0, 3.1,
 etc...)?

Looking at the Package tracking system:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dpkg.html
you can see that this version is the stable (Debian 3.1) version.

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Re: Determining a .deb's intended Debian Version

2005-11-09 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qua, 2005-11-09 às 13:12 -0800, Christopher Crammond escreveu:
 I was wondering if someone could provide me with some additional
 information related to Debian packaging.  Specifically, I would like to
 know if there is a way to determine which version of Debian that a
 package belongs to?

Optionally, you can see where the dependencies for that package can be
satisfied. In general, libc6 dependancy will be sufficient.

 Pre-Depends: dselect, libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-21)

on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 you'll see

stable (base): GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data 
2.3.2.ds1-22: amd64 arm hppa i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc

so, it's for stable.

But if it's not a package provided by debian, you probably want to
rebuild the package, unless you're sure the package was built for that
distribution.

For example, I was trying to use phonegaim (debian sources available in
linspire site). But then it needs the gizmo-project package (not
depends, but recommended) which is available only as a binary package
from the gizmo-project site.

Apparently, the package is for stable, but it's uninstallable in stable
because of other libraries which are in a older version in stable than
that used to compile the package. Unfortunally, as I couldn't get the
source for this gizmo thing, I gave up using phonegaim. But anyway,
having the sources, there is a good chance to get it working inside your
stable box. And working good.

daniel




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