Re: Half the world being removed
Hi On 03-09-2022 19:48, Patrice Duroux wrote: Am I observing a side effect (kind of back-in-time) regarding a repair process on this issue? No. Because, for instance, the following page: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fwanalog has now its 'news' section showing: [2017-09-05] fwanalog 0.6.9-8 MIGRATED to testing (Debian testing watch) [2017-08-30] Accepted fwanalog 0.6.9-8 (source) into unstable (Adam Borowski) [2015-05-30] fwanalog 0.6.9-7 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) [2015-05-20] Accepted fwanalog 0.6.9-7 (source all) into unstable (Emanuele Rocca) with the lost of the 0.6.9-9 (unstable) related entries when I looked at it few days ago. That's https://salsa.debian.org/qa/distro-tracker/-/issues/63 Paul OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Half the world being removed
Hi, Am I observing a side effect (kind of back-in-time) regarding a repair process on this issue? Because, for instance, the following page: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fwanalog has now its 'news' section showing: [2017-09-05] fwanalog 0.6.9-8 MIGRATED to testing (Debian testing watch) [2017-08-30] Accepted fwanalog 0.6.9-8 (source) into unstable (Adam Borowski) [2015-05-30] fwanalog 0.6.9-7 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) [2015-05-20] Accepted fwanalog 0.6.9-7 (source all) into unstable (Emanuele Rocca) with the lost of the 0.6.9-9 (unstable) related entries when I looked at it few days ago. Thanks, Patrice
Re: Half the world being removed
Paul Gevers writes ("Re: Half the world being removed"):
> On 02-09-2022 13:00, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I wonder if it would be possible to detect a sudden large increase in
> > the number of autoremovals, and stop the autoremoval system instead of
> > causing blaring klaxons for everyone in the project ?
>
> I disabled the cron job that sends out mail yesterday, so the massive
> klaxons shouldn't go off (or are there klaxons I'm not aware of).
Well, personally I have a grep-excuses cron job that nags me daily
about autoremovals, becaue the official cron job is rather late.
Also it shows up in tracker.d.o for every package, DDPO, etc.
I think to properly silence the alarm it's necessary to prevent the
decision to autoremove, not just the warnings. (There are other
obvious possible difficulties ...)
> And
> indeed such a check would be worth while. But to be fair, the code is in
> Perl and I would be afraid that by adding the check I introduce more
> bugs than I solve.
Do you have someone who will do code review for you ? I hereby
volunteer. (Send me mail off-list, or something.)
Regards,
Ian.
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Re: Half the world being removed
Hi, On 02-09-2022 13:00, Ian Jackson wrote: I wonder if it would be possible to detect a sudden large increase in the number of autoremovals, and stop the autoremoval system instead of causing blaring klaxons for everyone in the project ? I disabled the cron job that sends out mail yesterday, so the massive klaxons shouldn't go off (or are there klaxons I'm not aware of). And indeed such a check would be worth while. But to be fair, the code is in Perl and I would be afraid that by adding the check I introduce more bugs than I solve. Paul OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Half the world being removed
Paul Gevers writes ("Re: Half the world being removed"):
> On 02-09-2022 07:27, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 11:04:38PM -0500, Steven Robbins wrote:
> >> Suddenly half the packages are marked AUTOREMOVE; many due to gcc-12 and
> >> zlib.
> >> The related two bugs are months-old.
> >>
> >> Why are things suddenly being removed??
> > Both are key packages per
> > https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi so it must be some
> > recent problem that causes the things to ignore that.
>
> I'll look into it tonight (UTC+2). I did make one change to udd
> yesterday. I thought it was safe because I just reverted an exception to
> allow scikit-learns removal.
>
> There are probably bugs involved.
Thanks.
I don't want to add to the stressball but: this isn't the first time
that we've had malfunctions which want to remove very large numbers of
packages. Obviously this is a complicated algorithm and I understand
that there will be bugs.
I wonder if it would be possible to detect a sudden large increase in
the number of autoremovals, and stop the autoremoval system instead of
causing blaring klaxons for everyone in the project ?
That might make the failures less disruptive. (And would avoid having
everyone pile-on.)
Ian.
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Re: Half the world being removed
Hi On 02-09-2022 07:27, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 11:04:38PM -0500, Steven Robbins wrote: Suddenly half the packages are marked AUTOREMOVE; many due to gcc-12 and zlib. The related two bugs are months-old. Why are things suddenly being removed?? Both are key packages per https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi so it must be some recent problem that causes the things to ignore that. I'll look into it tonight (UTC+2). I did make one change to udd yesterday. I thought it was safe because I just reverted an exception to allow scikit-learns removal. There are probably bugs involved. Paul OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Half the world being removed
On Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 11:04:38PM -0500, Steven Robbins wrote: > Suddenly half the packages are marked AUTOREMOVE; many due to gcc-12 and > zlib. > The related two bugs are months-old. > > Why are things suddenly being removed?? Both are key packages per https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/key_packages.yaml.cgi so it must be some recent problem that causes the things to ignore that. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature
