Re: Remove packages from NEW queue?
Quoting Scott Kitterman (2021-12-06 16:03:31) > Speaking only for myself here, not the team as a whole: > > The tools we use default to age order, so if one just starts working > through packages in the order given, it's oldest first. Personally, I > rather rarely do that. I don't have a lot of time for this (I'm only > recently returned from a hiatus in fact) and so I try to focus on > packages of types that I'm more familiar with so that I can accomplish > more with the time I do have. > > I took time off of $work to focus on New for the COVID-19 sprint > because I thought it was important, so that level of service should > not be generally expected. It was a very special case. > > IRC (#debian-ftp) works best for me. It's actually less likely to get > lost than email. Thanks for sharing those insights, and for your ftp-master work generally. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Re: Remove packages from NEW queue?
On Monday, December 6, 2021 8:58:15 AM EST Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Jonas, > > I've thought that it is probably not my turn to answer your questions > but since there was no answer yet I'd like to report from my experience. > > Am Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 05:21:45PM +0100 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: > > Is "Age" used to rank processing of NEW requests? > > I have some evidence that "Age" is at least not the only ranking > factor for processing NEW requests. I've made the experience that > the following hints are well perceived by ftpmaster: > >1. Package in new fixes RC bug #xy >2. Package has just a new binary name and might be easier > to process than other packages >3. Package has some importance for reason XY (this worked > extremely well in April last year when we had the Debian > Med Covid-19 sprint - I observed processing times less > than 24 hours and I can't say frequently enough how thankful > I am about this > > It is not always clear to me what channel is best for submitting > those hints. IRC usefully works nicely, but not always. Responding > to the mail that a package is in new can be helpful as well. For > the Covid-19 sprint we had setup a dedicated Wiki page. > > > Is that documented somewhere? > > As far as I know it is not documented. > > > Or alternatively, do anyone have some (non cargo cult) > > empirical knowledge about that? > > See above about my experience with ranking. I also think that my habit > to say thank you to ftpmaster whenever there is a sensible chance is > also a good way to motivate ftpmaster to do a work which I personally > would consider not the most thrilling task on my own desk. It probably > helps more than telling that ftpmaster is slow in working down the > queue. So: Thank you to ftpmaster for processing the queue. > > However, I wished at least one member of ftpmaster team would lurk here > on this list to clarify questions like these. What I was explicitly > told by more than one ftpmaster is that kind of "free text" e-mails in > their mailbox tend to be forgotten in the large amount of so many mails > to this mailbox I can not even imagine. Thus I do not ftpmaster in my > response which I would usually do in cases like this. Speaking only for myself here, not the team as a whole: The tools we use default to age order, so if one just starts working through packages in the order given, it's oldest first. Personally, I rather rarely do that. I don't have a lot of time for this (I'm only recently returned from a hiatus in fact) and so I try to focus on packages of types that I'm more familiar with so that I can accomplish more with the time I do have. I took time off of $work to focus on New for the COVID-19 sprint because I thought it was important, so that level of service should not be generally expected. It was a very special case. IRC (#debian-ftp) works best for me. It's actually less likely to get lost than email. Scott K
Re: Remove packages from NEW queue?
Hi Jonas, I've thought that it is probably not my turn to answer your questions but since there was no answer yet I'd like to report from my experience. Am Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 05:21:45PM +0100 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: > > Is "Age" used to rank processing of NEW requests? I have some evidence that "Age" is at least not the only ranking factor for processing NEW requests. I've made the experience that the following hints are well perceived by ftpmaster: 1. Package in new fixes RC bug #xy 2. Package has just a new binary name and might be easier to process than other packages 3. Package has some importance for reason XY (this worked extremely well in April last year when we had the Debian Med Covid-19 sprint - I observed processing times less than 24 hours and I can't say frequently enough how thankful I am about this It is not always clear to me what channel is best for submitting those hints. IRC usefully works nicely, but not always. Responding to the mail that a package is in new can be helpful as well. For the Covid-19 sprint we had setup a dedicated Wiki page. > Is that documented somewhere? As far as I know it is not documented. > Or alternatively, do anyone have some (non cargo cult) > empirical knowledge about that? See above about my experience with ranking. I also think that my habit to say thank you to ftpmaster whenever there is a sensible chance is also a good way to motivate ftpmaster to do a work which I personally would consider not the most thrilling task on my own desk. It probably helps more than telling that ftpmaster is slow in working down the queue. So: Thank you to ftpmaster for processing the queue. However, I wished at least one member of ftpmaster team would lurk here on this list to clarify questions like these. What I was explicitly told by more than one ftpmaster is that kind of "free text" e-mails in their mailbox tend to be forgotten in the large amount of so many mails to this mailbox I can not even imagine. Thus I do not ftpmaster in my response which I would usually do in cases like this. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Re: Remove packages from NEW queue?
Quoting Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues (2021-11-18 11:26:44) > Quoting Tobias Frost (2021-11-18 10:38:40) > > (speculatinng on the why you want it rejected: if you want to replace it > > with e.g. a newer version, you can just upload the new version) > > slightly related question: if I upload a new version to NEW, will the > Age of the package be reset? I'm asking because my package has been in > NEW for four months already and I'd like to avoid loosing that place > by an upload of a new upstream version. I guess that by "Age" you are referring to 5th column at https://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html Seems that field do get reset on new uploads: See e.g. ignition-utils which was uploaded in september and again in november - its "Age" is 2 days. Is "Age" used to rank processing of NEW requests? Is that documented somewhere? Or alternatively, do anyone have some (non cargo cult) empirical knowledge about that? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Re: Remove packages from NEW queue?
Quoting Tobias Frost (2021-11-18 10:38:40) > (speculatinng on the why you want it rejected: if you want to replace it with > e.g. a newer version, you can just upload the new version) slightly related question: if I upload a new version to NEW, will the Age of the package be reset? I'm asking because my package has been in NEW for four months already and I'd like to avoid loosing that place by an upload of a new upstream version. Thanks! cheers, josch signature.asc Description: signature
Re: Remove packages from NEW queue?
Am 18. November 2021 10:30:37 MEZ schrieb Stephan Lachnit : >I tried to remove a package from NEW with `dcut rm package.deb`, `dcut >rm package.changes` and `dcut cancel package.changes`, but nothing >worked. >Is there even a way to remove a package from NEW? > >Regards, >Stephan > ask FTP Masters for a reject. (speculatinng on the why you want it rejected: if you want to replace it with e.g. a newer version, you can just upload the new version) -- tobi
