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> PC hardware won't even POST without a videocard! > Depends on your BIOS, I had a 486 in the closet for over a year with no video card in it. Setup the machine, set the video to NONE, in the bios, and pulled the video card out. Worked fine, until it locks up and you can't see why :) Mike
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Jason Thomas wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:30:40PM -0700, Ralph Jennings wrote: > > A video card makes things easier, though you could also do it over a serial > > dumb terminal (but you do need *something* to enable interaction with the > > install scripts). Your ATI card, and normal AT or PS/2 keyboard will most > > likely work (unless they're broken). > > PC hardware won't even POST without a videocard! I've got a 486 running 24/7 here, without a videocard. You're telling me its BIOS is running a firewall? ;-) Sure, windows won't boot. But most BIOSes allow you to select there's no need to stop booting when the POST reports a failure. I get lots of beeps when it boots, but it works perfectly well. -- wouter dot verhelst at advalvas dot be "Human knowledge belongs to the world" -- from the movie "Antitrust" rm -rf /bin/laden
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I just thought I should reply and apologise for the other replies you seem to be getting. Debian is quite proud of running on practically all hardware in existence, and I suppose you've effectively got told that in reverse. To answer your question: Resource requirements for Debian are the same as any other Linux distribution. The only possible exception is we tend to include older, more reliable software in our release systems which means they don't run the latest hardware. In general Linux it is slightly less resource hungry than NT. For historical reasons this particularly applies to servers where it is quite a bit less resource hungry. Some hardware works better with linux than other types. For example, while practically any sound card made can be coerced into working, a SBLive card will work `out of the box'. www.xfree.org has a list of the driver compatibility of different video cards, for ATI you'll apparently want to go for a Mach64, Rage, Rage 128 or Radeon (it might be worth double checking that, Debian stable uses XFree version 3, but the system will probably be migrated to XFree version 4 before the end of its life so you'll want to work with both). There are a number of web sites that list the compatibility of different pieces of hardware. www.linuxtested.com was the first I found in a quick search. Debian is much the same as any other distribution, although the stable release tends to not run the latest hardware out of the box. Disk space requirements tend to be lower than NT, probably because a lot of programs use each other to do some of the work so the size of each program is smaller. The smallest disk you sell is probably more than large enough (10 GB) unless your customer is doing something such as running a web proxy. Standard stuff really. Ram requirements depend a lot on use. Linux uses ram to cache the hard drive more than NT does, so if you've doing a lot of read access (e.g. web server, file server) then more ram makes a huge difference. I would install about the same amount of ram as you would for NT (depends on the budget, with 2GB being reasonable on a high budget.) Extra ram will probably give you the most noticeable improvement per dollar. Linux runs fine as a server with 32MB, although this is mostly because it swaps out the graphics subsystem and if you want someone to sit at it at the same time (never a good idea on a server IMHO) you'll want at least another 32MB. Processor requirements also tend to be slightly lower than NT, I'm not entirely sure why. The AMD processors are fine, you'll want to choose the k7 kernel module for better performance, or recompile the kernel yourself for optimal performance. None of these make a big difference, though they all add up. Linux seems to get more benefit out of multiprocessor systems than NT does. I suspect this is because it is implemented as many small programs rather than a few large programs so the kernel has an easier job of splitting the work between two processors. For the network connection I personally like the Intel EtherExpress 10/100, but again just about any LAN card works fine. On my home machine I use a generic NE2000 clone and I've never had any problems with it. If you want to use a CD ROM for backup then you'll almost certainly need to go for a SCSI model rather than an IDE one, the IDE CDR drivers are a pain to set up. Oh, and if all it is doing is acting as a basic file server/web server/similar then the network connection is almost certainly going to be the bottleneck and you can get by with a minimal spec machine. Many people use a 486 as their server with Pentium 3 type machines as clients, simple filesharing places very little stress on the server. You'll want to install the stable version of Debian. This is probably all anyone will offer to sell you, but just in case you hear about testing or unstable, they are more appropriate for people who want the latest software and are willing to tolerate a few bugs, hardly the situation a server is in. Incidentally, you posted to the wrong list. If you want to use a Debian specific list then the list you should have used is debian-user or possibly debian-commercial. debian-devel is for the ongoing development of debian, not for helping people using the system. This probably didn't help in the set of replies you got. I hope this helps. Mail me if you have any further questions. Corrin Lakeland -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7oBihi5A0ZsG8x8cRAuT9AJ9YyEubYhw7eYW4bkjcCJaqvRulGwCcDI4D 1Sf/5ZlX3t/WbEa4G+gbZhw= =ysrR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: System spec.'s
Jason Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > PC hardware won't even POST without a videocard! It depends on the PC hardware in question. Some will, some won't.
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:30:40PM -0700, Ralph Jennings wrote: > A video card makes things easier, though you could also do it over a serial > dumb terminal (but you do need *something* to enable interaction with the > install scripts). Your ATI card, and normal AT or PS/2 keyboard will most > likely work (unless they're broken). PC hardware won't even POST without a videocard! -- Jason Thomas Phone: +61 2 6257 7111 System Administrator - UID 0 Fax:+61 2 6257 7311 tSA Consulting Group Pty. Ltd. Mobile: 0418 29 66 81 1 Hall Street Lyneham ACT 2602 http://www.topic.com.au/ pgpdewS3HCqXS.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:30:40PM -0700, Ralph Jennings wrote: > likely work (unless they're broken). > Ha. -- Jacob Kuntz http://www.lucidpark.net/
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:01:45PM -0500, Sarah Nilles wrote: > Good afternoon, > > I have a customer that is already using the Debian-Linux. They want to > replace their server and that where I come in. Are there any special > needs for your software? We are looking at the AMD Thunderbird > processors - ATI video and standard equipment. Could you please get > back in touch with me, as soon as possible. > > Thank you, Sarah Yes there are special needs... You need an i386,ia64,alpha,arm,sparc,m68k,ppc,mips,etc. compatible processor (your Thunderbird is i386 compatable, you should compile the kernel as K7 to take full advantage of your processor) You need RAM, I believe 8MB is the minimum amount allowed on a new Debian install (I don't believe any Thunderbird motherboards except anything slower than a DIMM, and I've never seen a DIMM smaller than 16MB, so I think you're clear here too). You need to run Linux, BSD, or Hurd (soon win32 also?). Debian installs Linux by default (or does that just depend on which boot floppies you get?). You need a hard drive to install onto (unless you want root over NFS). But I'm not so sure that's allowed under the normal boot floppy install. A video card makes things easier, though you could also do it over a serial dumb terminal (but you do need *something* to enable interaction with the install scripts). Your ATI card, and normal AT or PS/2 keyboard will most likely work (unless they're broken). ... In other words..., no there is most likely nothing special you'll need that you don't have. Though you'll want to recompile your kernel once you get everything setup the way you want, and that can be a little tricky if you've never done it before. As a general rule..., if you can load DOS on the computer, then you can put Linux on it (though you can't do a normal Debian install on an XT, or a 286, the ELKS -- Embeded Linux Kernel S? -- kernel is *supposed* to run on them, though I've never actually tried it myself). Since you're not installing a new Debian system, but replacing hardware, all you will probably need is to recompile the kernel, and change out the old aliases in /etc/modutils/*, and devfsd settings to refer to the new hardware (sound, ethernet, mouse, usb, ps2, {cd,dvd}rom, infrared ports, etc., etc.). I believe www.debian.org should be able to explain everything to you, if you have any more specific questions that the web site doesn't answer, then feel free to ask. -Ralph
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what, exactly are you looking for? Peace, Secher On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:01:45PM -0500, Sarah Nilles wrote: > Good afternoon, > > I have a customer that is already using the Debian-Linux. They want to > replace their server and that where I come in. Are there any special > needs for your software? We are looking at the AMD Thunderbird > processors - ATI video and standard equipment. Could you please get > back in touch with me, as soon as possible. > > Thank you, Sarah > > -- > Sarah Nilles, Sales Supervisor > Madison Computer Works > 353 Island Drive, Madison WI 53705 > 608-231-8000 Fax-608-231-8019 > Content-Description: Card for Sarah Nilles -- Hail Eris, All Hail Discordia. Jon Postel, you are missed. pgpTyQVskkcS3.pgp Description: PGP signature