Re: bill gates Linux
Hello, Am 03:07 2002-12-06 -0800 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: The response I got to a simple request for an DOS or Windows based SETUP.EXE program which loads Linux onto my hard drive, I have a vbs Virus taken from 'I-love-You.vbs' It do nothing, until it is 01:00 CET. Then it will load into memory, Make a Ramdisk on the fly, download the minimal-stuff for autodetecting the Internet-Connection, kill Windows and install Debian... It was easy to code... Michelle
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Hi, 4/ many of us millions would very much like to have the option of using both systems on our computer. They actually have. 1/ we don't want to have to know the technical details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the given table above). This is being worked on. A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, Yoda described the task of installing Linux with the wise words Always two there are: A master and an apprentice. This has changed much, and the current installer is pretty much usable for medium skilled users (i.e. one that knows what a keymap is). 2/we want one of the following:- All of the things you ask for are already possible, some only if you really install Linux (which means that it will require harddisk space in separate partitions, which is not an easy thing if you didn't plan for it when you installed your current system). A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into our a drive , turn on the computer, the computer then loads DOS or whatever and eventually after enough time and floppys have been fead into the drive we see an up and running version of Linux. This is possible, and in fact the way I installed Linux every time but the last (I got a CD-ROM since :-) ). or:.. B/ turn on the computer with a floppy disk a which then prompts for a cd-rom which then loads a version of Linux. Also possible, I think. or:..c/ option 3 would be to allow Windows to to boot up and click on a cd-rom drive. and then the program on the cd would modify my computer so that Windows and Linux can run on the same machine. Also possible in theory, although it doesn't make real sense to boot up Windows first, as all newer computers can boot from a CD-ROM anyway, and the older ones are either installed using floppies or booted into MS-DOS (from where we can switch directly into Linux without telling Windows to shut down first). either :- 1/ separately Define separately. I would give it the same meaning as selectably here. 2/ selectably Possible, and in fact the way it is installed on many systems. Depending on your taste, you can have a separate menu or integrate it into Windows' own boot menu (the latter being more work). 3/ Windows under Linux or Visa versa There is vmware, which does cost money but does exactly this. But unless you have specific reasons for doing it, you don't want that. There is also the wine project, which makes an emulator to run Windows software under Linux. But in fact very few of us have ever needed it. There are replacements for about any piece of software under Windows that run natively under Linux. 4/ some way the two can interact on the same machine You can use a shared partition for your data, and if you're running vmware, you have a network between the virtual and the real computer. Please don't take my pleadings to be for myself personally. There will come a time when the world wide demand for operating systems will be huge.This will come from third world countrys where literacy is low and computer literacy is even lower. Actually such things are happening right now. That's why Microsoft is giving free Windows to third world schools -- they fear that all the people there will be raised on Linux and be used to it. Simon -- GPG Fingerprint: 040E B5F7 84F1 4FBC CEAD ADC6 18A0 CC8D 5706 A4B4 There is no way to get a twelve-o-clock flasher online. -- Three Dead Trolls In A Baggie, Welcome To The Internet Help Desk NP: Ordo equilibrio - The Perplexity Of Hybris. I Glorify Myself pgpMGFzvRsLC2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones. These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy) John Lines
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On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 15:25, John Lines wrote: Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, 08 Dec 2002, John Lines wrote: Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones. These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy) IIRC, the Corel Linux installer did something like this. Since they sold the rights to Xandros, I assume the Xandros installer does the same thing. Damian -- Damian Gryski | There is a crack, a crack in everything. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | That's how the light gets in. gnu / geek / juggler / coder / compsci / crypto / security pgpKmIJd0SoTq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
Hi, On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:25:19PM +, John Lines wrote: Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones. These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy) Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer. Can Linux work with a loopback root fs, using initrd to set it up? Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info pgpr258QC6y3r.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: Hmmm, ok, on 2nd thought there's modems, printers, and old ISA cards. Anything else? What about configurations for IP, DNS, mail and news? I don't see why it would be limited to hardware detection. Richard Braakman
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:30, Emile van Bergen wrote: Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer. Can Linux work with a loopback root fs, using initrd to set it up? Cheers, Actually I think Mandrake might do something roughly like that if you use the easy option rather than expert mode. After an easy mode installation it takes a wet week to do anything at all (on a Pentium 233 box). The same distro on the same box is quite quick after a so called expert mode install. Bob
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:30:10PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer. Are VFAT partitions still common? I thought Windows 2000 and XP both used NTFS by default. And last time I tried (about a year ago, I think) mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky. I also question whether the performance penalty would be relatively minor, especially if you treat the swap device the same way. But that can be measured. If it's significant, then I think this option should not be encouraged, because it would give Linux an undeserved bad name among precisely the people we hope to convert. Richard Braakman
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:04:46PM +0200, Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 04:30:10PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: Another idea: why not support an installation in an ext2 filesystem which is really a big file on a Windows VFAT partition, mounted using a loopback device? That would do away with all the partitioning; that would only be needed when the user wants to get rid of the relatively minor performance penalty of the extra FS layer. Are VFAT partitions still common? I thought Windows 2000 and XP both used NTFS by default. And last time I tried (about a year ago, I think) mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky. That may be true, but most of the Windows users I know still have a 95 variant on their computer. Daniel -- / Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---\ | I haven't lost my mind, | | I know exactly where I left it. | \--- (if (not (understand-this)) (go-to http://www.schemers.org)) /
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:25:19PM +, John Lines wrote: Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system which will be required by a Linux installation. This could include information on the hardware, such as graphics cards, and some things related to the user, such as language settings and time zones. These could be written to a floppy and used to supply the information which Debian Installer will need (a bit like a RedHat Kickstart floppy) Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows? Why not mount the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry from there? -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgp0U1FBMxOhM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
Hi, On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows? Why not mount the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry from there? Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a 'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea though. Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:08:17PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows? Why not mount the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry from there? Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a 'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea though. Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing. Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there. Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult, wouldn't it? -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpsSmiFXehjD.pgp Description: PGP signature
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1/ we don't want to have to know the technical details of how to get to the step4/ above (in the given table above). 2/we want one of the following:- A/ to be able to insert a floppy disk into our a drive , turn on the computer, the computer then loads DOS or whatever and eventually after enough time and floppys have been fead into the drive we see an up and running version of Linux. or:.. B/ turn on the computer with a floppy disk a which then prompts for a cd-rom which then loads a version of Linux. or:..c/ option 3 would be to allow Windows to to boot up and click on a cd-rom drive. and then the program on the cd would modify my computer so that Windows and Linux Damn you are a troll. Did you not believe everyone when they told you this already exists today? Download the Debian install CD, insert it, and do the install. If you want super ease of install, get a commerical dist. It will install along side of Windows and you can boot either one. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://www.linux1394.org/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:04:46PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote: Are VFAT partitions still common? I thought Windows 2000 and XP both used NTFS by default. And last time I tried (about a year ago, I think) mounting NTFS read-write on Linux was still flaky. But ISTR that _file_overwrite_ support for NTFS now works, to allow precisely the sort of loopback installation we're talking about! Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ '` ¯
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
Hi, On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 12:24:56PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 07:08:17PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:31:11AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: Why make it a separate program that runs under Windows? Why not mount the Windows partition from the Linux installer, and read the registry from there? Because it's easier for Windows to read its own registry and write a portable ASCII file than it is for Linux, as you'd have to implement a 'fs' driver for it. Not that I think this is all necessarily a good idea though. Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing. Hum, yes, but that probably says more about 1. the excellent capabilities of the Wine team 2. lack of ability and willingness to write windows code on your part than the elegance of the solution - IMHO. Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there. Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult, wouldn't it? Well, I was thinking about horrible scenarios like, you know, I installed this Linux thing, and it used my network settings from Windows fine, but now I can't find out how to change it, so I figured I could change the settings in Windows and then reinstall Linux, so I did. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info
Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux
On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 11:45:04PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: Actually, I would find it significantly easier to borrow code from Wine to do registry parsing and run a tool against a Windows partition mounted read-only to extract the information we need, than I would to write a Windows application to do roughly the same thing. Hum, yes, but that probably says more about 1. the excellent capabilities of the Wine team 2. lack of ability and willingness to write windows code on your part than the elegance of the solution - IMHO. Feel free to demonstrate the elegance of your own Windows code, then. Before you know, people will go back to Windows to change their IP address in Linux because they don't know how to do it there. Well, since debconf is not a registry, that would be a little difficult, wouldn't it? Well, I was thinking about horrible scenarios like, you know, I installed this Linux thing, and it used my network settings from Windows fine, but now I can't find out how to change it, so I figured I could change the settings in Windows and then reinstall Linux, so I did. There are some forms of idiocy that it's just not possible to proof against. shrug -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpkldHQULlox.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Please, first learn how to use your mail software. Your mails are just a pity to read. Le sam 07/12/2002 à 10:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Thank you all for your interesting analysis to setup.exe I am sorry to disappoint Craig Im not a Troll. Yes, you are a troll. The title of your mails is a troll. You keep bashing around and around, asking for dumb solutions to nonexistent problems. If you are unable to install a GNU/Linux system, that means you can't read the documentations. If you are unable to boot a Knoppix live CD, you are lying with a 99 % probability (measured with a professionnal troll-o-meter). Either way, you are trolling, and you are trolling at the wrong place. There are people here, especially the debian-desktop people, who are trying to make Debian easier to install and use for everybody. But I believe making it usable to you is either impossible or undesirable. People like you will keep complaining as long as all GNU/Linux-based systems are not identical in every regard to Microsoft Windows. If you want Microsoft Windows, use it. And please go trolling elsewhere. There are many people on slashdot who will be happy to troll with you. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `'[EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Hello, Am 03:07 2002-12-06 -0800 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: The response I got to a simple request for an DOS or Windows based SETUP.EXE program which loads Linux onto my hard drive, I have a vbs Virus taken from 'I-love-You.vbs' It do nothing, until it is 01:00 CET. Then it will load into memory, Make a Ramdisk on the fly, download the minimal-stuff for autodetecting the Internet-Connection, kill Windows and install Debian... It was easy to code... Michelle
Re: bill gates Linux
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The response I got to a simple request for an DOS or Windows based SETUP.EXE program which loads Linux onto my hard drive, would lead me to thick I was asking for the combination to Fort Knox. The combination to Fort Knox is 78 83 65. Consider two computers one with Windows and the other with Linux. They only differ in that the machine code written on the respective hard drives is diferent.I am certain that a simple file copying setup.exe program can move all code from a CD-rom onto ones hard drive. And the next time the machine is started an option page can allow the user to select either Windows or Linux. We already have programs to do this. Currently Debian focuses more on the needs of advanced users such as ISP administrators, but there are other distributions based on Debian that are easier for newbies to install. If you have any ideas for ways to improve our installation process I invite you to write some sample programs and send the code in. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The response I got to a simple request for an DOS or Windows based SETUP.EXE program which loads Linux onto my hard drive, What you want is not a technical problem. So now, that you know it's feasible you have at least the following alternatives: 1) You go and implement it - Go spiratec, go!! We're all happy to see you do it. 2) You wait untill it happens, maybe by trolling around here and there. 3) You let someone else do it for free or for pay. We're a small company and would happily accept such a job, like there are many others I'm sure here that would be willing to do it. Btw. here is a SETUP.BAT that does what you need: rem SETUP.BAT rem Installation program for Linux rem echo Linux has been installed. Please insert the Debian Install CD into echo your CD drive now and reboot to complete the Linux installation. I'm serious. That's the cycle that many SETUP.EXEs will provide you with. I certain the installation could be refined a bit to ask you Do you want to reboot now? and reboot automatically. *t -- to ma will kill for oil s p
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 06 December 2002 12:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The response I got to a simple request for an DOS or Windows based SETUP.EXE program which loads Linux onto my hard drive, would lead me to thick I was asking for the combination to Fort Knox. Try SuSE, I think they have loadlin on their installer CD which will allow the start of the installation process from Windows. At least they used to have that at some point. :) The installation will require a bit of interaction though, just as the installation of Windows would. Till -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE98I+lFwwirB11AGMRAhKAAJ9zNnnfPd8HF96SgXhWVaB29qJ9tACbBAXY THQE7QFdwvSlZagzsvDfv0U= =HC/p -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: bill gates Linux
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 03:07:17AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The response I got to a simple request for an DOS or Windows based SETUP.EXE program which loads Linux onto my hard drive, would lead me to thick I was asking for the combination to Fort Knox. No, it's because you've misunderstood the nature of the problem. You have to reboot anyway to switch operating systems; there's vanishingly little point in us making the installation system run in Windows, where we can't easily reuse all the work we've done on producing a free operating system. We have enough to do building a standalone installer without trying to write code for a non-free operating system, one with whose innards the majority of our developers aren't familiar - and installation systems involve some fairly tricky code. It's simply not a useful thing to do. Just boot into the normal installer (or, if you find it too painful, use something like the Progeny installer where more work has been done on making it newbie-friendly). The Linux kernal can't be so foreign a language that it can be copied ??? All code that the computer uses must come from a bios chip or the hard drive not from outer space. I am trying to avoid the problem which I have of needing a degree in Rocket Science to even see anything on my computer which originates from the blessed Linus kernal. Who in this world can actually read hexadecimal code anyway. Who tries? The Linux kernel isn't directly written in hexadecimal, you know; people have better things to do than write machine code directly. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:06:34PM +, Colin Watson wrote: The Linux kernal can't be so foreign a language that it can be copied ??? All code that the computer uses must come from a bios chip or the hard drive not from outer space. I am trying to avoid the problem which I have of needing a degree in Rocket Science to even see anything on my computer which originates from the blessed Linus kernal. Who in this world can actually read hexadecimal code anyway. Who tries? The Linux kernel isn't directly written in hexadecimal, you know; people have better things to do than write machine code directly. So it's written in qbasic? Because if it's not done in machine code, it must be done in qbasic! -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpGYfWp3nBec.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 03:07:17AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I am trying to avoid the problem which I have of needing a degree in Rocket Science to even see anything on my computer which originates from the blessed Linus kernal. Who in this world can actually read hexadecimal code anyway. either 1) you're a troll or 2) you resent having to learn or understand anything about your computer or 3) both. in any case, my advice to you is thæ same: linux is probably not for you, you would be happier staying with windows. craig -- craig sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider two computers one with Windows and the other with Linux. They only differ in that the machine code written on the respective hard drives is diferent.I am certain that a simple file copying setup.exe program can move all code from a CD-rom onto ones hard drive. That would be possible only if Linux and Windows shared the C: unit to store their files. If not, your setup.exe would have to repartition the hard disk *while* Windows is still using it. Such thing would be extremely dangerous. It's not just a matter of copying files. BTW: Linux has a special filesystem called umsdos which would allow you to store Windows and Linux files on the same C: partition, but this is not the optimal way to run Linux, so Debian does not support umsdos-based installs.
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On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 07:19:33PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: BTW: Linux has a special filesystem called umsdos which would allow you to store Windows and Linux files on the same C: partition, but this is not the optimal way to run Linux, so Debian does not support umsdos-based installs. Not the optimal way is quite the understatement. More bluntly put umsdos is a dog. Not only is it dog slow, but it is deficient in some ways that make it unwise to run anything but a tailored-for-umsdos version of Linux (lack of support for hard links springs to mind). These days, people who would have otherwise used umsdos to give Linux a test drive before going the whole way and repartitioning their drive will use an entirely CD-based demo distro like Knoppix. Ben -- nSLUG http://www.nslug.ns.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ pgp key fingerprint = 7F DA 09 4B BA 2C 0D E0 1B B1 31 ED C6 A9 39 4F ] [ gpg key fingerprint = 395C F3A4 35D3 D247 1387 2D9E 5A94 F3CA 0B27 13C8 ]
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also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.06.1207 +0100]: The Linux kernal can't be so foreign a language that it can be copied ??? you are using Windows, don't forget that. it's impaired. you need control over vital sectors of the hdd, which Windoze inf^H^H^Hprotects. -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc pgpUumOy2Zotz.pgp Description: PGP signature
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo: What is required is in effect a Windows,xx or DOS based SETUP.EXE program that would permanently install Linux on ones hard drive including a Partition to allow dual Windows,XX and Linux to coexist together. Just to mention a few Debian-based efforts: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/ http://www.progeny.com/ http://www.linex.org/ http://linuxin.paislinux.net/ http://www.hispalinux.es/~rsantos/ There are already improvements in that direction, and more to come. This is ceirntainly not the list to discuss such a general issue. Feel free to email me privately. -- I would rather starve than lose your acceptance .''`. My eyes will always show my empty soul : :' :--- Boy Sets Fire - Cadence `. `'Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux (Sid + 2.4.19 + Ext3) `-www.amayita.com www.malapecora.com www.chicasduras.com
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not at totally stupid person.I have written a 60k byte qbasic application program. Are these two statements related? I have watched with interest over the past few years the development of Linux.I believe it will really never go very far until someone removes the hopelessly complex web of knowledge required to use the system. What is required is in effect a Windows,xx or DOS based SETUP.EXE program that would permanently install Linux on ones hard drive including a Partition to allow dual Windows,XX and Linux to coexist together. OK, I look forward to seeing the SETUP.EXE program you write in qbasic. Let us know when it's ready for us to test. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
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the linux distro you seek exists. its called windows xp. nuff said. Luke p.s. qbasic is the programming language for stupid people. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: bill gates linux I am not at totally stupid person.I have written a 60k byte qbasic application program. I have watched with interest over the past few years the development of Linux.I believe it will really never go very far until someone removes the hopelessly complex web of knowledge required to use the system. What is required is in effect a Windows,xx or DOS based SETUP.EXE program that would permanently install Linux on ones hard drive including a Partition to allow dual Windows,XX and Linux to coexist together. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Luke Woods wrote: the linux distro you seek exists. its called windows xp. nuff said. Luke p.s. qbasic is the programming language for stupid people. Because it does not have line numbers ;) Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sell GNU/Linux GNU/Hurd CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz
