Re: rfc1149
Hilko Bengen wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > >> No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave >> droppings on my car. > >You mean packet loss? I think it's network overhead. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP: 1024R/32B8FAA1: 97 EA 1D 47 72 3F 28 47 6B 7E 39 CC 56 E4 C1 47 GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath. For it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink; for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:19-21
Re: rfc1149
Today, Hilko Bengen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave >> droppings on my car. > You mean packet loss? ITYM "log entries" as defined in RFC2549. -- Andreas Fuchs, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! pgp5hpx8ODo4p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: rfc1149
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave > droppings on my car. You mean packet loss? -Hilko
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* Wichert Akkerman | Previously Hamish Moffatt wrote: | > There's a lot more interesting ones than that. Last year, an RFC | > described transmission of electricity over IP. | | Probably because noone implemented RFC2549 yet: IP over Avian Carriers | with Quality of Service. Unfortunately there still is ongoing litigation | about which is the prior art: carrier or egg so large scale | implementations are being put on hold for now. Also, considering that the top quality is Concorde, and the Concordes are having a hard time for the time being, I don't think anybody is going to implement it for some time. -- Tollef Fog Heen Unix _IS_ user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are.
Re: rfc1149
Previously Hamish Moffatt wrote: > There's a lot more interesting ones than that. Last year, an RFC > described transmission of electricity over IP. Probably because noone implemented RFC2549 yet: IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service. Unfortunately there still is ongoing litigation about which is the prior art: carrier or egg so large scale implementations are being put on hold for now. Wichert. -- _ / Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
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Previously Christoph Simon wrote: > The german expression has a somewhat special history. Germanic at least, possible even older (considering Dutch has the exact some meaning). Wichert. -- _ / Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
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Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pigeons *are* doves. What you think of as pigeons are probably rock doves. No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave droppings on my car. They are best known as "rats with wings". With appropriate adjectives, pigeons are cool. Carrier pigeons, for example, or the lamentably extinct passenger pigeon. But "pigeon" without qualification is an urban blight. Doves are cute little birds that people keep as pets which coo charmingly and symbolize love. The fact that doves and pigeons may even be the same species doesn't have anything to do with it. Doves are nifty, pigeons are horrible.
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On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:55PM +0100, Paul Martin wrote: > Now, a problem arises if we are to package the common denominator "dove" > or to provide separate packages optimised for various types of racing > pigeons. Anyone who wants to squeeze an extra 10% increase in performance can spend five minutes [1] in "make config" and compile his own doves. Rob [1] I'm not counting the time it takes for the doves to hatch, as you can do other things while you're waiting. -- I wonder if there's anything GOOD on tonight?
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* Christoph Simon (please get a proper sig delimiter) | The german expression has a somewhat special history. Some centuries | ago, a person could be declared to be "vogelfrei", as free as a bird, | but in a not so romantic sense, as he would find himself disprovided | of any kind of legal protection. If anybody wanted to harm or even | kill him, he wouldn't be persecuted for that. Like the english expression outlaw and the Norwegian expression fredløs (literally: restless/peaceless)? >From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]: Outlaw \Out"law`\ (?), n. [AS. &?;tlaga, &?;tlah. See Out, and Law.] A person excluded from the benefit of the law, or deprived of its protection. --Blackstone. -- Tollef Fog Heen Unix _IS_ user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are.
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On 04-May-2001 Christoph Simon wrote: > On Thu, 03 May 2001 22:34:20 -0300 (BRT) > Carlos Laviola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote: >> > Adam Heath schrieb: >> >> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in >> >> main. >> > >> > Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder* >> >> German? Worldwide, AFAICT. (At least in Brazil, and most other countries, a >> white pigeon is a symbol of freedom and peace) > > The german expression has a somewhat special history. Some centuries > ago, a person could be declared to be "vogelfrei", as free as a bird, > but in a not so romantic sense, as he would find himself disprovided > of any kind of legal protection. If anybody wanted to harm or even > kill him, he wouldn't be persecuted for that. Wow! Interesting story... There are some people out there who need to be declared "vogelfrei"... >:) > > > -- > Christoph Simon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- > ^X^C > q > quit >:q > ^C > end > x > exit > ZZ > ^D > ? > help > shit > . Are you saying that vi isn't good? Huh?! :P -- carlos laviola - icq #55799523 $ chown us:us /your_base -R chown: what you say!!
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On Thu, 03 May 2001 22:34:20 -0300 (BRT) Carlos Laviola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote: > > Adam Heath schrieb: > >> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main. > > > > Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder* > > German? Worldwide, AFAICT. (At least in Brazil, and most other countries, a > white pigeon is a symbol of freedom and peace) The german expression has a somewhat special history. Some centuries ago, a person could be declared to be "vogelfrei", as free as a bird, but in a not so romantic sense, as he would find himself disprovided of any kind of legal protection. If anybody wanted to harm or even kill him, he wouldn't be persecuted for that. -- Christoph Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ^X^C q quit :q ^C end x exit ZZ ^D ? help shit
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On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote: > Adam Heath schrieb: >> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main. > > Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder* German? Worldwide, AFAICT. (At least in Brazil, and most other countries, a white pigeon is a symbol of freedom and peace) -- carlos laviola - icq #55799523 $ chown us:us /your_base -R chown: what you say!!
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On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:55PM +0100, Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Rumours have it that Microsoft are going to embrace and extend this > protocol using battery hens, with the "enterprise" version using > roosters. Nah, I think they'll just hire some falconers. Daniel -- / Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---\ |Whom the gods would destroy, they first teach BASIC. | \- The Turtle Moves! -- http://www.lspace.org /
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On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:04:06PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote: > > Taxonomically, pigeons and doves are the same. > Both are members of the order Columbiformes, family Columbidae. The term dove > is generally used for smaller species with pointed tails. "Pigeon" refers to > the > larger species with square or rounded tails. >
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* Daniel Burrows | Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a | Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a | way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) I just talked with the guy who did most of the work on IRC and he is (probably) going to fix the package up a little bit, so that it will actually be possible to package it. -- Tollef Fog Heen Unix _IS_ user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are.
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On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > pigeons. See There's a lot more interesting ones than that. Last year, an RFC described transmission of electricity over IP. I like the one which describes the SONET to sonnet translation. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Adam Heath schrieb: > Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main. Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder* ciao, 2ri -- "Never" is almost always earlier than you think.
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Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Obviously, if doves were used, both pigeons and doves would have to > provide the pseudo-package "avian-packet-carrier" and the installer > package would need to update-alternatives as appropriate. Pigeons *are* doves. What you think of as pigeons are probably rock doves. Taxonomically, pigeons and doves are the same. Both are members of the order Columbiformes, family Columbidae. The term dove is generally used for smaller species with pointed tails. "Pigeon" refers to the larger species with square or rounded tails. http://www.comptons.com/encyclopedia/ARTICLES/0125/01443584_A.html -- Sam Couter | Internet Engineer | http://www.topic.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]| tSA Consulting | OpenPGP key ID: DE89C75C, available on key servers OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C pgpb87RO4CHS5.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, 3 May 2001 16:56:08 +1000 Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No need to create a section for them. Birds can sit on the tree > > directly. > > But what about now that we have pools? Will they drown? Being birds, I assume they would (attempt to) bathe in them... Regards, Alex.
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Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No need to create a section for them. Birds can sit on the tree > directly. But what about now that we have pools? Will they drown? -- Sam Couter | Internet Engineer | http://www.topic.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]| tSA Consulting | OpenPGP key ID: DE89C75C, available on key servers OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C pgpMFsmgpwdhk.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 2 May 2001, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > > > > Haven't you heard the expression "free as a bird"? Pigeons belong in > main. We just need to create new section of the archive up in a tree or > something. Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main.
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> "JHV" == Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think >> maybe a Debian package would have to go into contrib though, >> unless you can find a way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) JHV> Haven't you heard the expression "free as a bird"? Pigeons JHV> belong in main. We just need to create new section of the JHV> archive up in a tree or something. Seems to me that technical difficulties would require doing an rfc1149-installer package in non-free. The installer could use debconf to get your credit card number and then use wget to order the requisite number of correctly-sized birds sent to your house by FedEx. Of course, it would have to sleep while the birds were being delivered, but then it could install them at the proper place in your directory hierarchy according to the AHS*. Obviously, if doves were used, both pigeons and doves would have to provide the pseudo-package "avian-packet-carrier" and the installer package would need to update-alternatives as appropriate. ~ESP *Avian Hierarchy Standard. -- Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 06:20:30PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > > > > Haven't you heard the expression "free as a bird"? Pigeons belong in > main. We just need to create new section of the archive up in a tree or > something. No need to create a section for them. Birds can sit on the tree directly. Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://student.uci.agh.edu.pl/~porridge/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216
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On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 05:07:36PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > > Hmm.."Depends: pigeons (>= 200lb)" Of course there'll be cries of anguish from the mirror maintainers as they'll have to install extra aviary capacity. What happens when someone suggests we have a need for doves as well as pigeons? -- Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpy2zWqImCLt.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 2 May 2001, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > Haven't you heard the expression "free as a bird"? Pigeons belong in main. We just need to create new section of the archive up in a tree or something. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 02-May-2001 Marcin Owsiany wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using >> pigeons. > > African or European? > pidgeon, not swallow (-:
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On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > pigeons. African or European? Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://student.uci.agh.edu.pl/~porridge/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216
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> Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > > Hmm.."Depends: pigeons (>= 200lb)" > Why? We do not have 'Depends: CAT5 (<< 30m)'.
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On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:40:23PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > >pigeons. See > > > >http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt > > > >Sadly enough, noone has still implemented this protocol. > > It's just been done; see the latest issue of the Jargon file, Appendix A. > (http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon/) Also see http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/writeup.html -- Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Patton pgp3vMydzYb27.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: > 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > pigeons. See > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt > > Sadly enough, noone has still implemented this protocol. It would be nice to > make a debian-package of it. Anyone interested drop me a line. Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) Hmm.."Depends: pigeons (>= 200lb)" Daniel -- / Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---\ | Put no trust in cryptic comments. | \--- Listener-supported public radio -- NPR -- http://www.npr.org /
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using >pigeons. See > >http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt > >Sadly enough, noone has still implemented this protocol. It's just been done; see the latest issue of the Jargon file, Appendix A. (http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon/) -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP: 1024R/32B8FAA1: 97 EA 1D 47 72 3F 28 47 6B 7E 39 CC 56 E4 C1 47 GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C "Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not." Romans 12:14
RE: rfc1149
On 02-May-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > pigeons. See > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt > > Sadly enough, noone has still implemented this protocol. It would be nice to > make a debian-package of it. Anyone interested drop me a line. > actually, slashdot had an article recently with a LUG doing this in Norway. Most interesting.
